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just a little something for you to mull over.
The nickel is mined in Sudbury, Ontario, and smelted nearby, doing damage to the local environment. The smelted nickel is shipped to Wales, where it is refined. Then it is sent to China to be made into nickel foam. Then it goes to Japan, where it is made into a battery. Then it goes into cars, some of which are shipped to the United States and some of which go to Europe. All of that seaborne transport consumes a lot of fossil fuel. |
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A mate of mine has one as a company car. He does about 800 miles a week and uses around £300 worth of petrol.
In cold weather he has to switch the lights, fan, radio and anything else he can think of on outside his house and leave it until the battery flattens enough to start the engine otherwise there is no heating.
So they are not even good on MPG. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just a little something for you to mull over.
The nickel is mined in Sudbury, Ontario, and smelted nearby, doing damage to the local environment. The smelted nickel is shipped to Wales, where it is refined. Then it is sent to China to be made into nickel foam. Then it goes to Japan, where it is made into a battery. Then it goes into cars, some of which are shipped to the United States and some of which go to Europe. All of that seaborne transport consumes a lot of fossil fuel."
This is 100% correct.
One study suggests that each Prius has more environmental impact in its production than a V8 has in 50yrs. That's before its even been driven on the road! Add to that the need to replace the batteries every 5 years or so, which costs a couple of grand... |
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"I could get 800 miles for around £70 in my C220 Cdi merc,I'm amazed Toyota sell any Prius!  "
Yeh right I love people who exaggerate you would be pushing to get more than 50 litres of diesel for £70 so you would have to be averaging above 72mpg.  |
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55 litre tank here and 700 to 800 miles from a tank is normal.
Can push it further if I do a long 250-300 mile run at a steady 70mpg.
1.9 diesel on an Audi A3.
If I go into the not in a rush mode on motorways then can get 80 mpg averaged over a 40 mile drive.
Lifetime average is the in 63 to 64 mpg range.
Have driven Prius in the US, and as a car better than many of the other rental models with better fuel economy. For the US market it is one of the more economical cars.
Given I only do about 8000 miles a year, any hybrid would be a false economy though. |
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"I could get 800 miles for around £70 in my C220 Cdi merc,I'm amazed Toyota sell any Prius!
Yeh right I love people who exaggerate you would be pushing to get more than 50 litres of diesel for £70 so you would have to be averaging above 72mpg. "
Sorry made mistake,its somewhere around the £95 mark
I'm not one to exaggerate  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't own one so have no idea, but as an engineer I'd have thought there was a mode on it to force the engine to start if you want it? Same way as you can turn stop/start systems off.
Sounds to me like someone hasn't read a manual. |
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"Not to blind people, been on bonnet twice.
Top gear says cheaper having a small petrol car  "
Didn't they do a real-world B-road test and found that driven at between 50 & 60mph a BMW M3 was actually 3mpg better? Something to do with the weight of those batteries and only having a 1.5ltr engine. |
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"Not to blind people, been on bonnet twice.
Top gear says cheaper having a small petrol car
Didn't they do a real-world B-road test and found that driven at between 50 & 60mph a BMW M3 was actually 3mpg better? Something to do with the weight of those batteries and only having a 1.5ltr engine."
Remember Clarkson saying miles per gallon was crap  |
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over a year ago
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"We get 42-45 mpg in the company car on motorway driving. I get better than that in my Jag "
I recently went to Bedfordshire and the computer on the Alfa said 41mpg at motorway speed (that's possibly 70mph). |
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"We get 42-45 mpg in the company car on motorway driving. I get better than that in my Jag
I recently went to Bedfordshire and the computer on the Alfa said 41mpg at motorway speed (that's possibly 70mph). "
And an Alfa will always be more beautiful than a Prius |
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"We get 42-45 mpg in the company car on motorway driving. I get better than that in my Jag
I recently went to Bedfordshire and the computer on the Alfa said 41mpg at motorway speed (that's possibly 70mph).
And an Alfa will always be more beautiful than a Prius "
Indeed it will. I've often said I'd rather push my Alfa than drive a Prius... |
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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago
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Run my "gas guzzler" 4x4 on used chip oil (smells great when the supply is from a balti restaurant) only mix in dino juice during cold spells. Makes way more ecological sense than a pious (sorry Prius) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just my humble opinion, but the Prius is the biggest eco-con so far perpetrated. It's no more fuel efficient than any other car, it uses a LOT more energy in it's production and then... wait till those lovely batteries are f**ked! How ya gonna 'dispose' of them..????
All to put the guilt of the upper middle class intelligencia to rest  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one |
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over a year ago
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The money being spent on hybrids would definitely be better spent working on finding a way to mass produce hydrogen for fuel cell use. Otherwise we're just going nowhere. |
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"The money being spent on hybrids would definitely be better spent working on finding a way to mass produce hydrogen for fuel cell use. Otherwise we're just going nowhere. "
Surely production isn't the issue, its the most common element in the known universe. Surely the problem is storage... |
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one"
Like I said earlier, we have one at work as a pool car and I hate it. Feels horrible on long drives. The fly by wire takes all driver sensation away. The cruise control is the worse I've ever used. That all fades in to insignificance with the embarrassment of having to drive one! |
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"The money being spent on hybrids would definitely be better spent working on finding a way to mass produce hydrogen for fuel cell use. Otherwise we're just going nowhere.
Surely production isn't the issue, its the most common element in the known universe. Surely the problem is storage..."
it the most common element, but it very reactive so is always bound to something else (like oxygen, in water H2O)
getting hydrogen from water is very energy intensive. We have a hydrogen generator at work which uses a LOT of electricity. |
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over a year ago
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one"
60 mpg? Nooooooooo your pulling my well endowed plonker here the fuelly dot com survey paticipants have at maximum got an average of 48mpg and thats with 2044 cars over 30,271,270 miles which is less than the majority of the diesels get.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one
60 mpg? Nooooooooo your pulling my well endowed plonker here the fuelly dot com survey paticipants have at maximum got an average of 48mpg and thats with 2044 cars over 30,271,270 miles which is less than the majority of the diesels get. "
it depends on how you drive it..... there is a trick to getting more MPG out of it, which I didn't realise until I saw videos on youtube and then you think "right!!!!"....
because it has such a low drag factor it is as much about "gliding" as it is driving... so really it is about maintaining speed using the minimum acceleration...
once you get your head around that it makes so much sense |
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over a year ago
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one
60 mpg? Nooooooooo your pulling my well endowed plonker here the fuelly dot com survey paticipants have at maximum got an average of 48mpg and thats with 2044 cars over 30,271,270 miles which is less than the majority of the diesels get.
it depends on how you drive it..... there is a trick to getting more MPG out of it, which I didn't realise until I saw videos on youtube and then you think "right!!!!"....
because it has such a low drag factor it is as much about "gliding" as it is driving... so really it is about maintaining speed using the minimum acceleration...
once you get your head around that it makes so much sense"
Yep get all that but you still won't average 60mpg unless you drive around at 3am all the tie with your cock in a device you dare not accelerate rapidly or break rapidly either for fear of decockitation. Out of thousands of apple ops prius geeks none achieved an average of more than 52 and the mean average for all was 48mpg. How old is your model and have you started saving for a new battery pack yet?  |
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"My Cosworth does about 20mpg and the M5 not much more but they do put a smile on your face How many people have you seen smiling in a Prius? "
Depends of the driver is getting a blowie as you pass. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one
60 mpg? Nooooooooo your pulling my well endowed plonker here the fuelly dot com survey paticipants have at maximum got an average of 48mpg and thats with 2044 cars over 30,271,270 miles which is less than the majority of the diesels get.
it depends on how you drive it..... there is a trick to getting more MPG out of it, which I didn't realise until I saw videos on youtube and then you think "right!!!!"....
because it has such a low drag factor it is as much about "gliding" as it is driving... so really it is about maintaining speed using the minimum acceleration...
once you get your head around that it makes so much sense
Yep get all that but you still won't average 60mpg unless you drive around at 3am all the tie with your cock in a device you dare not accelerate rapidly or break rapidly either for fear of decockitation. Out of thousands of apple ops prius geeks none achieved an average of more than 52 and the mean average for all was 48mpg. How old is your model and have you started saving for a new battery pack yet? "
mine is the newer 1.8 model then the 1.5.... and if you look at the honestjohn website you'll see the average is nearer 55-60 |
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"yep.... I would be the person who owns a prius....
you may all laugh or run away...
okay... so the bumph on it says you can get 72ish mpg out of it... you would have to drive like an old woman to get that...
in my normal driving style I get about 60mpg from mine... and yes.. the fuel tank isn't the biggest in the world (45litres).....
driving it is actually quite relaxing... plus no car tax on it...
in a few year time I may eventually trade it in for something like a vauxhall amphera (that is a longer range electric car)
i love mine..... don't knock em till you have been in one
60 mpg? Nooooooooo your pulling my well endowed plonker here the fuelly dot com survey paticipants have at maximum got an average of 48mpg and thats with 2044 cars over 30,271,270 miles which is less than the majority of the diesels get.
it depends on how you drive it..... there is a trick to getting more MPG out of it, which I didn't realise until I saw videos on youtube and then you think "right!!!!"....
because it has such a low drag factor it is as much about "gliding" as it is driving... so really it is about maintaining speed using the minimum acceleration...
once you get your head around that it makes so much sense
Yep get all that but you still won't average 60mpg unless you drive around at 3am all the tie with your cock in a device you dare not accelerate rapidly or break rapidly either for fear of decockitation. Out of thousands of apple ops prius geeks none achieved an average of more than 52 and the mean average for all was 48mpg. How old is your model and have you started saving for a new battery pack yet?
mine is the newer 1.8 model then the 1.5.... and if you look at the honestjohn website you'll see the average is nearer 55-60"
Well the figures from over 2000 owners who have covered 30 million miles say different which is I would say fare more of a real life figure and a long way of your claimed 72mpg which was as accurate as guys self cock measuring on here!  |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"a vw blue motion polo diesel will be very good on fuel and i have done around 480 miles on £40 worth of diesel with a corsa 1.3 cdti engine"
You will find its a Fiat 1.3 cdti and it wasn't there finest creation  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I am not here for an arguement.... I know What I am getting, and I thought it was a question of interest rather than an excuse to bash...
if this is a session to bash as opposed to an actual conversation... I'm out |
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"I am not here for an arguement.... I know What I am getting, and I thought it was a question of interest rather than an excuse to bash...
if this is a session to bash as opposed to an actual conversation... I'm out"
Well I was asking questions on the car but your 72mpg is fictitious at best and if you put fictitious information up then be prepared to have it questioned not believed per say.
Autocar say....
“Although real-world economy is impressive in its own right, with 56.4mpg over our touring route and 47.5mpg overall, you’ll do well to match the ‘official’ average – forums are rife with tales of owners unable to get anywhere near those figures.”
And there are many other simuar conclusions from other car websites and magazines.
I think you need to realise that a debate doesn't turn into a n argument if people don't believe your claims or agree with you.
But hey this claimed 72 mpg is based on how many miles? How many litres have you put in your taken and what sort of driving? I somewhat doubt you have done real time analysis on your mpg and are relying what the car snapshot reports at best is not in reality what it actually achieves in reality. |
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over a year ago
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"I am not here for an arguement.... I know What I am getting, and I thought it was a question of interest rather than an excuse to bash...
if this is a session to bash as opposed to an actual conversation... I'm out
Well I was asking questions on the car but your 72mpg is fictitious at best and if you put fictitious information up then be prepared to have it questioned not believed per say.
Autocar say....
“Although real-world economy is impressive in its own right, with 56.4mpg over our touring route and 47.5mpg overall, you’ll do well to match the ‘official’ average – forums are rife with tales of owners unable to get anywhere near those figures.”
And there are many other simuar conclusions from other car websites and magazines.
I think you need to realise that a debate doesn't turn into a n argument if people don't believe your claims or agree with you.
But hey this claimed 72 mpg is based on how many miles? How many litres have you put in your taken and what sort of driving? I somewhat doubt you have done real time analysis on your mpg and are relying what the car snapshot reports at best is not in reality what it actually achieves in reality. "
at what point did i ever claim I get 72.... and I think you'll find all vehicles mpg figures are stretched...
as I said... i get roughly 60mpg from mine....
if you want to have a conversation with someone who actually owns one... find... but as we say in swinging if you come in with pre-conceived notions, you'll end up looking like an arse...
I am tempted to say the same thing about this conversation right now.....
so are you going to keep up just the bashing... or ask an actual question... |
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I drove one as a company car for a year and it was no different consumption-wise than any other company car I've had. I do 40,0000 miles+ a year and have to keep accurate records. In the last nine years I've had a Vectra, Avensis, Laguna, Mondeo, Prius, Insignia and currently an i40. All of them 1.9/2.0/2.2 diesels apart from the Prius.
Every single one gave me around 43mpg.
So no, the Prius is no better/worse than any other large saloon. |
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I read somewhere that the Prius has more of an eviromental impact just during its manufacture than a BMW M5 does over its whole life and the prius is nothing but a PR stunt that happened to take off that was made to push toyotas hybrid tecnology, there was only supposed to be 250 made for britain. |
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"I am not here for an arguement.... I know What I am getting, and I thought it was a question of interest rather than an excuse to bash...
if this is a session to bash as opposed to an actual conversation... I'm out
Well I was asking questions on the car but your 72mpg is fictitious at best and if you put fictitious information up then be prepared to have it questioned not believed per say.
Autocar say....
“Although real-world economy is impressive in its own right, with 56.4mpg over our touring route and 47.5mpg overall, you’ll do well to match the ‘official’ average – forums are rife with tales of owners unable to get anywhere near those figures.”
And there are many other simuar conclusions from other car websites and magazines.
I think you need to realise that a debate doesn't turn into a n argument if people don't believe your claims or agree with you.
But hey this claimed 72 mpg is based on how many miles? How many litres have you put in your taken and what sort of driving? I somewhat doubt you have done real time analysis on your mpg and are relying what the car snapshot reports at best is not in reality what it actually achieves in reality.
at what point did i ever claim I get 72.... and I think you'll find all vehicles mpg figures are stretched...
as I said... i get roughly 60mpg from mine....
if you want to have a conversation with someone who actually owns one... find... but as we say in swinging if you come in with pre-conceived notions, you'll end up looking like an arse...
I am tempted to say the same thing about this conversation right now.....
so are you going to keep up just the bashing... or ask an actual question..."
It's interesting how think Fabio if people question your remarks you go into victim mode and claim bashing where as in reality its lack of belief in your claims. For you to claim to be so far in advance of all other prius owners really says a lot on how you deal with facts rather than what you accentually wish to be true after spending good money on a car that doesn't deliver what it claims.
But come on you quote what you get so over how many miles have you logged this claim how many litres did you put in. Its not about what you can get drifting a wagon for 10 miles at 2am on a quiet night at 56mph its reality figures that count.
You only have to look at what BenStirling put above to realise you are....well lets say being incredibly optimistic in your claim as I have to avoid god for bid being accused of bashing!
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"I drove one as a company car for a year and it was no different consumption-wise than any other company car I've had. I do 40,0000 miles+ a year and have to keep accurate records. In the last nine years I've had a Vectra, Avensis, Laguna, Mondeo, Prius, Insignia and currently an i40. All of them 1.9/2.0/2.2 diesels apart from the Prius.
Every single one gave me around 43mpg.
So no, the Prius is no better/worse than any other large saloon."
The 43/45 mpg is pretty much what a thousands and thousands of other prius drivers are getting in reality world wide. The consensus is the electric side is more of a novelty than practical as the petrol engine is underpowered so doesn't operate as efficiently as it should. The manufactures figures are optimistic at best but then they are trying to sell a very expensive and exteriorly bland car. That doesn't mean I don't like the concept of hybrids but am more questioning if its all marketing rather than a reality economic and environmental plus. |
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Isn't Hydrogen the way to go. From what I have read and heard, to extract it and process it, would currently cost about the same as petrol. It is one of the most plentiful fuels we have on our planet. Extremely clean running cars. Unfortunately I think there are only a couple of filling stations in Britain and I believe they are in London |
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