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Pig Butchering Scam - be aware!

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London

I've been using the Internet since the 1990s and tend to think of myself as pretty clued-up when it comes to scams, but they really are getting very clever when compared with older, more obvious scams...

The other day, a message popped up on Telegram:

"Hello, it's me A____ I'm in Oxford if you fancy a coffee?"

I replied with "Who are you? I'm nowhere near Oxford".

This was followed by a series of apologies for having the wrong person, and a thank you for being understanding.

That was that, until several days later, a new message appeared...

"Hi, the way you responded to my silly mistake was very nice - do you fancy a chat?".

She claimed she was new to the UK and just looking for friends - I was suspicious, but went along with it for a bit, trying to find out the scam angle.

She then sent me a couple of photos, and asked if I wanted to move from Telegram to Whatsapp as that was her work account.

I did a reverse image search on her photos (nothing) and a lookup of her number (also nothing), so I started to think that maybe I was being paranoid, that she was just an innocent girl wanting a chat.

Couldn't be more wrong - as the conversation went on over a couple of days, I started to notice more and more 'scammer grammar', like "hello dear", but I still couldn't work out what the scam might be.

So I decided to dig deeper, and Googled 'wrong number scam'.

It turns out there is a very highly organised scam known as 'Pig Butchering' - the idea is to randomly befriend /romance people online through wrong number texts, dating site messages and so on.

My case was textbook - although more women fall victim to this than men.

After a few weeks or even months, the scammer starts to talk about how they earn their money investing in bitcoin, and to encourage you to do the same, on the platform they recommend - they don't directly ask for money, they just use friendly chat, emotional manipulation and more to scam you through a third party.

They literally spend weeks and months grooming their victims (fattening up pigs) before disappearing with all the money! (butchering).

Apart from the money the victims lose, the people performing the scams are often trafficked into modern s1avery by Chinese gangsters, who seduce them with fake jobs and trap them in compounds, not allowing them to leave, and even beating them if they fail to earn money - it's a massive billion dollar operation employing hundreds of thousands of people all the way from Cambodia to Dubai!

It's immense!

So, as a warning to others, if you're concerned that you might be getting scammed, Google 'Pig Butchering' and be very careful of any random wrong-number messages you receive!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman 2 weeks ago

The Town by The Cross

Thanks but i've not got a hole in the head that let's my brains out sufficiently to begin a chat with a total stranger on my phone and believe that they just want to chat with me when they don't even know my gender or physique.

Good to let everyone else know though .... they are not as wonderful as me

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By (user no longer on site) 2 weeks ago

I barely reply to people I know so good luck to them!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman 2 weeks ago

The Town by The Cross


"I barely reply to people I know so good luck to them! "

Eggs Sacked Lee!

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By *eeliciouschaosWoman 2 weeks ago

Wherever

You made a rookie mistake replying to their first message. Block and forget, let alone talk to a completely stranger for months (!).

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Central

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Central

These compounds that are like prisons, with people unscrupulously held, forced to engage with strangers, like this scam, are horrific.

It's an extra reason why I'd not engage with anyone unknown to me.

The thought of AI being able to do much or all of what these entrapped people are forced to do, is scary, in the volumes of scam that could be churned out

Thanks for the warning OP

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By *eroLondonMan 2 weeks ago

Mayfair

Thank you for your kind advice OP. Thankfully suitable privacy filters prevent such nonsense encroaching into my Telegram.

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London


"You made a rookie mistake replying to their first message. Block and forget, let alone talk to a completely stranger for months (!)."

When someone calls or texts and it's a genuine mistake, then it's pretty rude to just block them.

That was not a mistake, I'm British and being polite is what we do.

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By *ellinever70Woman 2 weeks ago

Ayrshire

I'm not convinced that women fall victim to this more than men

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London


"I'm not convinced that women fall victim to this more than men "

I doubted it too, but I was going by what was said in a documentry I watched about it.

The vast majority of victims, apparently, were women in China - until they banned crypto trading completely.

The scam then moved into other parts of Asia and then into the West.

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 weeks ago
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East Sussex

This is the kind of thing my mum would have got involved with.

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By *eeliciouschaosWoman 2 weeks ago

Wherever


"You made a rookie mistake replying to their first message. Block and forget, let alone talk to a completely stranger for months (!).

When someone calls or texts and it's a genuine mistake, then it's pretty rude to just block them.

That was not a mistake, I'm British and being polite is what we do.

"

I guess that’s just me being rude. I’m not British though, that’s probably why.

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By *iss DevilWoman 2 weeks ago

Bedford

I would never give my number to anyone who I don't know, so they would not get far with me. I even block and report all the recruitment messages I get from time to time.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 2 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

If you’ve been using the internet for all those years and are pretty savvy, why on earth did you reply to the first message at all.

Unless someone is in my contacts list then it’s a straight delete. And I am far from internet ‘savvy’.

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London


"If you’ve been using the internet for all those years and are pretty savvy, why on earth did you reply to the first message at all.

Unless someone is in my contacts list then it’s a straight delete. And I am far from internet ‘savvy’. "

First response was politeness. Second response was curiosity.

I didn't get scammed and I didn't hang around.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman 2 weeks ago

Wales

I thought this said Pat Butchering scam 🤣

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 2 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"This is the kind of thing my mum would have got involved with."

Shit! Your mum was an internet scammer

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By *aTina HeadTurnerWoman 2 weeks ago

Travelling

Everyone, who isn’t an elderly or vulnerable person, who stupidly gives away their WhatsApp to a complete stranger from internet deserves to be scammed.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 2 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"If you’ve been using the internet for all those years and are pretty savvy, why on earth did you reply to the first message at all.

Unless someone is in my contacts list then it’s a straight delete. And I am far from internet ‘savvy’.

First response was politeness. Second response was curiosity.

I didn't get scammed and I didn't hang around."

As soon as you replied you compromised yourself, it really is that simple

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London


"As soon as you replied you compromised yourself, it really is that simple "

Yes absolutely - I didn't actually take the convo over to whatsapp like she requested, and I don't have Telegram linked to a phone number.

But it's very easy to give away too much information, just in passing conversation - so the post is a warning to anyone who may be tempted.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 2 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"As soon as you replied you compromised yourself, it really is that simple

Yes absolutely - I didn't actually take the convo over to whatsapp like she requested, and I don't have Telegram linked to a phone number.

But it's very easy to give away too much information, just in passing conversation - so the post is a warning to anyone who may be tempted."

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By *idnightMischief OP   Man 2 weeks ago

London

In all fairness, 'she' wouldn't have had much luck scamming me anyway - I'm completely fucking skint.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 2 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

To be honest I thought the thread was going to be about buying dodgy meat in the pub car park

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By *ewbootsandpanties99Man 2 weeks ago

Darkest South East Surrey

However no pigs were actually butchered during this time?

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