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I hope all you velocipists are set for the summer.
This mornings ride was the first this year without weather gear on - I so can't wait for the summer... Got an old school Reynolds 753 frame to build up with 2010 dura ace kit.... Bring on the summer!!! |
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"Keep off the roads where the speed limit exceeds 40mph "
One of my favourite roads is a 50 limit but it's wide open and downhill so I'm well over 40mph on most of the stretch, if everyone is sensible then the roads speed limit shouldn't matter |
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"Keep off the roads where the speed limit exceeds 40mph "
Why?
As long as it is not a motorway cyclists can use those roads, as most time trial circuits are on national speed limit dual carriage ways. |
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I have a nice circuit most of it on national speed limit roads, good hills and fab decents.
Can't wait to get the Harry Quinn out, she is old but the Campag Record gearset still runs nice. |
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"It does on country roads with bends and holidaymakers freewheeling down them rather than pedalling "
That sounds like a person who doesnt know how to drive....Keep within your limits and try that respect word for other road users as I have yet to see a walker doing more than 40mph let alone a cyclist thats not named Cav  |
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I've hardly ridden all winter. Illness injury and weather have all combined to put me off.
Rode in Monday and safe to say 30 miles was a shock to the system... Shiny new Ribble with veloce, fulcrum 4s and deda finishing kit for this summer. Might not be the flashes kit but crazy value and a lovely ride.
Now just need to get fit for track league |
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"I have a nice circuit most of it on national speed limit roads, good hills and fab decents.
Can't wait to get the Harry Quinn out, she is old but the Campag Record gearset still runs nice."
Jesus,
That's older than I am - pre-historic....
Great hubs in the super record set - got a front on an ssc grey rim. |
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just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
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I cycle most days but I'm shocked at how much condition I've lost after a neck injury last year. I was off my bike for almost a year and two weeks down the line, I'm struggling to gain any improvement. It's getting hard to stay motivated. |
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"Cycle to work every day  but had an accident yesterday so no bike for two or three days  "
hope all is well .. got knocked over by a car last june and having therapy for it now .. think the therapy is hurting more than the original accident .. wish you well |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
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thanks for the refresher 
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous. |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"I thought road tax was calculated on emissions produced from a vehicle using the road .. what emissions do cyclists put out ??
that's why some cars don't pay road tax as well "
never used to be the case tho did it. in the 80s and 90s how many cars were tax free thru emissions as its all change lets charge the cyclists  |
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Raleigh Pioneer owner, here. She's still running strong on the original chain-set and bottom bracket (most other parts replaced over the years but the frame still excellent).
I've been riding all through the winter -on days with no rain and low winds. Now the weathers getting warmer I'm ramping up to 30 mile rides at weekends.
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"buying a bike this week!..wanted to get one for a few yrs x"
if you are in employment check out the 'ride to work schemes' that the government offer .. can save you a few quid and tax free .. happy cycling |
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I made a mistake today,
Went out with no b'fast in me, just a litre of Ribena and a handful of gels.
Emptied it on the 14 miles to work, 35 mins and really went for it.
Felt like crap all day and still feel grotty as hell now  |
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"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
thanks for the refresher
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous."
Didn't take long for the ill-informed to turn up did it?
No such thing as road tax, it was abolished in 1937 & since then there has been no link between vehicle taxation and highways maintainance. Roads are funded through Council Tax, VED is based on emissions and cycles are classed for taxation purposes as Band A vehicles and are legally liable to pay the same as any other Band A vehicle - £0.00
Cycles may ride up to two abreast on public roads, that in itself is not dangerous. In fact, it is often done to improve safety because it forces drivers to overtake correctly rather than squeezing through an inappropriate gap without deviating from their line - an act that IS dangerous.
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"I made a mistake today,
Went out with no b'fast in me, just a litre of Ribena and a handful of gels.
Emptied it on the 14 miles to work, 35 mins and really went for it.
Felt like crap all day and still feel grotty as hell now "
I have to eat before i ride or i 'bonk' badly. |
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"Bonk is the name of the game.
Really screwed me up today, will be more careful but it was a great ride"
Its a horrible feeling when you're 40 miles from home i know that!
I'm out for an evening spin with a mate tomorrow, then its the mountain bike all weekend |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
essex chelmsford |
"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
thanks for the refresher
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous.
Didn't take long for the ill-informed to turn up did it?
No such thing as road tax, it was abolished in 1937 & since then there has been no link between vehicle taxation and highways maintainance. Roads are funded through Council Tax, VED is based on emissions and cycles are classed for taxation purposes as Band A vehicles and are legally liable to pay the same as any other Band A vehicle - £0.00
Cycles may ride up to two abreast on public roads, that in itself is not dangerous. In fact, it is often done to improve safety because it forces drivers to overtake correctly rather than squeezing through an inappropriate gap without deviating from their line - an act that IS dangerous.
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lol glad the walking encyclopedia has arrived with the useless info, thanks for that now i know still dont stop the cyclists from being a pain in the arse . i tend to squeeze thru 2 or 3 abreast if they end up in the hedge ooops oh well beep beep  |
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"I made a mistake today,
Went out with no b'fast in me, just a litre of Ribena and a handful of gels.
Emptied it on the 14 miles to work, 35 mins and really went for it.
Felt like crap all day and still feel grotty as hell now "
I often ride to work on no food and just water (15 miles) and then have a snack after an hour or so of been at work. Fasted training I think is the name for it. My god it is good for keeping weight off but on the one occassion I thought I'd be ok having a tea before setting out, I blew horrendously and felt crap all day. |
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"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
thanks for the refresher
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous.
Didn't take long for the ill-informed to turn up did it?
No such thing as road tax, it was abolished in 1937 & since then there has been no link between vehicle taxation and highways maintainance. Roads are funded through Council Tax, VED is based on emissions and cycles are classed for taxation purposes as Band A vehicles and are legally liable to pay the same as any other Band A vehicle - £0.00
Cycles may ride up to two abreast on public roads, that in itself is not dangerous. In fact, it is often done to improve safety because it forces drivers to overtake correctly rather than squeezing through an inappropriate gap without deviating from their line - an act that IS dangerous.
lol glad the walking encyclopedia has arrived with the useless info, thanks for that now i know still dont stop the cyclists from being a pain in the arse . i tend to squeeze thru 2 or 3 abreast if they end up in the hedge ooops oh well beep beep "
I hope you jest, but having had a prick pull into my space yesterday, then deliberately try to squeeze me off the road forgive me if i don't find your 'humour' acceptable. It's cretins like you who kill and injure people through driving like they believe they own the roads.
Go away and grow up. |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
thanks for the refresher
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous.
Didn't take long for the ill-informed to turn up did it?
No such thing as road tax, it was abolished in 1937 & since then there has been no link between vehicle taxation and highways maintainance. Roads are funded through Council Tax, VED is based on emissions and cycles are classed for taxation purposes as Band A vehicles and are legally liable to pay the same as any other Band A vehicle - £0.00
Cycles may ride up to two abreast on public roads, that in itself is not dangerous. In fact, it is often done to improve safety because it forces drivers to overtake correctly rather than squeezing through an inappropriate gap without deviating from their line - an act that IS dangerous.
lol glad the walking encyclopedia has arrived with the useless info, thanks for that now i know still dont stop the cyclists from being a pain in the arse . i tend to squeeze thru 2 or 3 abreast if they end up in the hedge ooops oh well beep beep
I hope you jest, but having had a prick pull into my space yesterday, then deliberately try to squeeze me off the road forgive me if i don't find your 'humour' acceptable. It's cretins like you who kill and injure people through driving like they believe they own the roads.
Go away and grow up."
who are u to call me a cretin cheeky git and if u dont like my humour dont read it |
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"I have a nice circuit most of it on national speed limit roads, good hills and fab decents.
Can't wait to get the Harry Quinn out, she is old but the Campag Record gearset still runs nice.
Jesus,
That's older than I am - pre-historic....
Great hubs in the super record set - got a front on an ssc grey rim."
it was built on a frame building course by back in 92, at his place in wales. It rides very nice, just need to get some decent Tubs. |
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Having been knocked off by a bloody idiot driver I agree with what's been said,, more attention should be payed to cyclists,, I also have had a muppit driver force his way infront of me only to pull in, slam his brakes on as an ambulance was coming from behind,, why he could not wait and pull in behind me???? Before its said yes I also have a car yes I also pay ved, give us space there's plenty room for everybody |
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"I made a mistake today,
Went out with no b'fast in me, just a litre of Ribena and a handful of gels.
Emptied it on the 14 miles to work, 35 mins and really went for it.
Felt like crap all day and still feel grotty as hell now "
Hugs ((( ))))
Good luck tomorrow xxxx |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"Having been knocked off by a bloody idiot driver I agree with what's been said,, more attention should be payed to cyclists,, I also have had a muppit driver force his way infront of me only to pull in, slam his brakes on as an ambulance was coming from behind,, why he could not wait and pull in behind me???? Before its said yes I also have a car yes I also pay ved, give us space there's plenty room for everybody"
have to agree theres plenty of idiots out there for sure.....
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"All year round cycling here , winter is probibly the best time actually , a 1000 meter climb in 46 degree heat isnt fun lol"
That is my idea of fun..
Im a hill climber, pick your gear, tuck in, head down and focus on the breathing and don't go past threshold.... Love it. |
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"All year round cycling here , winter is probibly the best time actually , a 1000 meter climb in 46 degree heat isnt fun lol
That is my idea of fun..
Im a hill climber, pick your gear, tuck in, head down and focus on the breathing and don't go past threshold.... Love it."
You know the best thing about a 1000 meter climb is ?
The 1000 meter decent on twisty dry mountain side single track |
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"All year round cycling here , winter is probibly the best time actually , a 1000 meter climb in 46 degree heat isnt fun lol
That is my idea of fun..
Im a hill climber, pick your gear, tuck in, head down and focus on the breathing and don't go past threshold.... Love it.
You know the best thing about a 1000 meter climb is ?
The 1000 meter decent on twisty dry mountain side single track "
You're so right - I went over the Telegraphe and d'Huez a few years back - it's a few minutes outside of the rules of physics and sanity on the trip down - gives you a steel hard on just thinking about it.... |
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Just done a nice little 34 mile spin this evening on the road bike, made even nicer by the fact that i broke my mate on the first climb!
Had to get my own back after he broke me on a 60 mile run two weeks ago! |
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Soon to be getting a bike on the cycle to work scheme, been doing spinning classes with a bunch of cyclists for the last 10 weeks or so and loved it. Can't wait to get out in the fresh air though! |
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Serious question time cyclists..
Where do i stand ?? and dont say the kitchen..
A nice guy on a bike hit my car a few days ago and left a nice scrape down my door..
And before anyone says anthing.. The car was parked and parked properly..
The guy came over as i was leaving the shop and jumped on his bike and rode away saying there was nothing i could sue him for as he was on the dole..
And the police wouldnt charge him as the damage was accidental.. !!
now i cant get my door fixed unless i fork out the 250 notes to the insurance..
As i was asking.. i now know the persons name and i have a couple of witnesses who seem him career into the side of my car because he was fooking about with his shoe or pedal and decided to fall against my car door rather than the empty road all around it !!..
Would you report it ??
Is it worth the hassle ??
And should adults and kids be insured to ride on the streets and also insured against collisions and damage etc ???
Dont get me wrong.. i dont mind cycling but im seriously pissed off with them at the moment.. |
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By *at2Couple
over a year ago
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I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts . |
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Somthing that really pisses me off is that as a cyclist I get lumped in with all other cyclist and am somehow responsiblke for their behavioue. similarly if a crime is commited by someone on a bike the crimninal instantly bnecomes a cyclist. You never see a headline that a woman was mugged by motorist do you?
So for the record I'm insured as are the vast majority of serious cyclists. And if you post wasn;t a thinly veled pop at cyclists disguised as a question then I apologise but that is how it reads.
So to answer your question, with a question, if a car had hit your car (say on a night with no witnesses) what would you do? And would you be attemptuing to tar all motorist with the same brush? |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts ."
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
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I love cycling, but as far as possible I stick to tow-paths, tracks and cycle routes. Because there's too much bad behaviour on the roads - from ALL types of road users.
Can I recommend CycleNetwork and CycleStreets, two great apps for Android (and possibly iOS too) as they really help when out on the type of rides that turn into expeditions into the unknown!! |
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By *at2Couple
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
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I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast .., |
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I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid. |
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"I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid."
Excellent, I wish we had the same up here. Though it sounds like Leicester needs more cycle lanes! |
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Here in Spain the motorists are alot more considerate than in the Uk , but the roads are quite dangerous
Most of my cycling is done off road thats why for the past 2 months Ive been recoveing from a fractured knee cap from having a big off on the local downhill course.Ive just got back on the road bike in the last week and need to get some miles in , Mrs Mouse isnt too happy about me still having the downhill bike but we all love our little pleasures in life |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast .., "
You don't pay road tax...
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By *at2Couple
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
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Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC .. |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast .., "
how many times must this be repeated?
You don't pay 'road tax' and no one has since 1937. VED is NOT a payment to use the road, it is a general tax on the damaging emissions from your vehicle and is part of the general tax take - it is NOT ring-fenced for highways maintainance, that is funded via Council Tax - that all working adults pay towards whether they drive or not. That VED disc on your windscreen does not confer any more 'right' to the road than any other user, be they cyclist/equestrian/pedestrian.
I do wish people would learn about the subject before spouting off. Cyclists have every right to use the road, they are not a hindrance to traffic - they ARE traffic. |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC .."
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"Here in Spain the motorists are alot more considerate than in the Uk , but the roads are quite dangerous
Most of my cycling is done off road thats why for the past 2 months Ive been recoveing from a fractured knee cap from having a big off on the local downhill course.Ive just got back on the road bike in the last week and need to get some miles in , Mrs Mouse isnt too happy about me still having the downhill bike but we all love our little pleasures in life "
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!"
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC .."
Wrong again.
Incidentally, you do know that vehicles with low emmissions pay zero tax, so following your (massively flawed) logic, can we assume that you have more of a right to be on the road than them?
Oh and what offence is there for driving slow? |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol"
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong. |
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"I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid.
Excellent, I wish we had the same up here. Though it sounds like Leicester needs more cycle lanes!"
I bloody hate cycle lanes! False sense of security and makes some drivers even more angry.
The one that tried to squeeze between me and a central island yesterday wasn't too pleased either! Twat. |
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There are loads of statute laws emissions is just one of the more recent ones added to the vehicle tax to apparently save the planet and so as they no longer have to spend all the money on the roads but that's getting away from my original post do you think it is reasonable for any person on any form of transport to precede along a highway out to the white line at what ever speed they decide when ever they want knew this would court controversy ... |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong."
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"I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid.
Excellent, I wish we had the same up here. Though it sounds like Leicester needs more cycle lanes!
I bloody hate cycle lanes! False sense of security and makes some drivers even more angry.
The one that tried to squeeze between me and a central island yesterday wasn't too pleased either! Twat."
And they no safer, I was hit by a car when I was in the cycle lane, he was sending a text message while driving and he swerved into me as he lost control a little
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong."
i love it when the angry motorist brings up the old road tax excuse for driving cars.
it shows how stupid they are and there is no point even putting them right.
ive started riding a good 7 or 8 foot from the kerb.it makes cars wait till they can overtake. |
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"There are loads of statute laws emissions is just one of the more recent ones added to the vehicle tax to apparently save the planet and so as they no longer have to spend all the money on the roads but that's getting away from my original post do you think it is reasonable for any person on any form of transport to precede along a highway out to the white line at what ever speed they decide when ever they want knew this would court controversy ..."
I think you are confusing controversy with derision.
You do not pay road tax, so I repeat my question why do you think that you have more of a right to be on the road than a cyclist does?
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By *at2Couple
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL.."
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me... |
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"I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid.
Excellent, I wish we had the same up here. Though it sounds like Leicester needs more cycle lanes!
I bloody hate cycle lanes! False sense of security and makes some drivers even more angry.
The one that tried to squeeze between me and a central island yesterday wasn't too pleased either! Twat."
cycle lanes are a good idea in principle, its just that they are rarely done well. Most of the time they are an afterthought done on a fag packet by someone who has never ridden on city streets.
They end up being pointless at best, and downright dangerous at worst. The ones that attempt to guide you onto a pavement for 100 yards (good idea to mix bikes and peds) then spits you back into the road just when the drivers aren't expecting you. |
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"I thought the council was responsible for the roads??
Ssssshhhhhh, don't go confusing the anti cyclist argument with minor little facts like that!"
but but but ...I pay council tax
so do I not pay as much into road repairs as a driver, infact as a none driver I have the rights to use the roads more as my bike wears it out slower |
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"I was on my bike today (and thank goodness it's getting easier) to go the short journey into town for a few errands.
The A50? No problems. Riding legally through the city centre? A pedestrian nightmare. Apparently, shanks' pony takes preference on roads if you're spending money in shops.
Incidentally, Leicester city council provide a really good service for cyclists; safe storage, showers, toilets and lockers of a quid.
Excellent, I wish we had the same up here. Though it sounds like Leicester needs more cycle lanes!
I bloody hate cycle lanes! False sense of security and makes some drivers even more angry.
The one that tried to squeeze between me and a central island yesterday wasn't too pleased either! Twat.
cycle lanes are a good idea in principle, its just that they are rarely done well. Most of the time they are an afterthought done on a fag packet by someone who has never ridden on city streets.
They end up being pointless at best, and downright dangerous at worst. The ones that attempt to guide you onto a pavement for 100 yards (good idea to mix bikes and peds) then spits you back into the road just when the drivers aren't expecting you."
In a town like Stevenage where they were built at the same time as many of the roads, run parallel to them, are plenty wide enough to drive a car down, seperate from both road and pavements and often on both sides of the road and mean you can travel the length of the town avoiding traffic and navigating junctions they are fantastic.
But most places they are just a white line trying to force cyclists in to the gutter or a line splitting a pavement and they are neither particularly useful and far from safe.
I was watching the Amstel Gold on Eurosport the other week and the facilities and infrastructure in Hollanmd were incredible. |
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Ved is a general taxation on all motor vehicles, it does not pay for road repairs or construction as the revenue it creates is actually far too small,, what actually pays for our roads comes from our council tax,, therefore the argument I pay my vehicle license therefore I own the road is obsolete and very incorrect,, btw I'm a driver and a keen cyclist |
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It's no use the motorists pretending that there are not arseholes that drive cars......equally it's no use cyclists pretending that there are not plenty of arseholes riding bicycles on our roads too.
An arsehole is an arsehole....be it on a bike or in a car.
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me... "
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available. |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me...
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available."
This is all very good but my question still stands is it all right for someone to hold up traffic whenever they like no matter what they choose to ride drive or pay please in lighten me to the question I asked in the first place and I will sell my car and buy some roller skates tomorrow ... |
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"I will sell my car and buy some roller skates tomorrow ...
Your going to need some Lycra to go with the Roller skates you know..
its the law !!! "
You joking would look smashing in a g string bent over with my hands behind my back but don't think it will happen as they must be away googling for facts lol |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me...
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available."
The Highway Code states that a cyclist must not ride two abreast on narrow or busy roads and any bends or corners it all so states that if you can't keep to the speed for the road and are holding up a line of traffic you must pull over at the next safest place and allow the queue to pass... |
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me...
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available.
The Highway Code states that a cyclist must not ride two abreast on narrow or busy roads and any bends or corners it all so states that if you can't keep to the speed for the road and are holding up a line of traffic you must pull over at the next safest place and allow the queue to pass... "
Why let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The highway code says cyclists should (not must and should is a recomendation not a law) never ride more than 2 abreast and in certain road conditions it recomedns single file. The highway code make no suggestion that cyclists have no priority and should pull over to let other vehicles past. In fact quite the oppositte it encourages cyclists to assume the primary position as it is safer.
Incidentally it does recomend that mororists give cyclists as much room as a car when overtaking. In the context of your original post about safe overtaking a quite pertinent point. I take it the highway code only applies when it (fictiously) suits your argument?
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me...
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available.
The Highway Code states that a cyclist must not ride two abreast on narrow or busy roads and any bends or corners it all so states that if you can't keep to the speed for the road and are holding up a line of traffic you must pull over at the next safest place and allow the queue to pass... "
So, having had your assertion that you pay for your 'right' to use the roads dismantled you are now moving the focus of your 'argument' to say that the HC says what you want it to say?
Show me where the HC states that cyclists must move over, as i cannot find it.
In fact, RULE 163 of the HC states that overtaking vehicles MUST give vulnerable road users the same amount of space as they would a small car.
This in effect means that if you cannot pass safely then you cannot pass. As the overtaking vehicle the legal onus is on you to do so in a safe and controlled manner, not squeeze through a gap that is too small to do so in a safe manner.
Cyclecraft, the Institute for Advanced Motorists and other road safety/roadcraft organisations all teach cyclists to use the Primary and Secondary Road Positions for safety.
The Primary is the centre of the lane, and should be used when the cyclist feels that the lane is too narrow to allow a cycle and a vehicle side by side. This means a single carriageway where cars are parked alongside, traffic calming measures like traffic islands, blind corners and narrow lanes.
The Secondary Position is in line with the near side wheels of a vehicle, this allows an overtake but still forces the following vehicle to do so correctly - with their offside wheels over the white line.
There is even a picture in the HC showing how this must be done for the hard of understanding.
What you call 'holding you up' is the cyclist controlling his enviroment for his own safety. You have no 'right' to pass, just as you have no 'right' to use the road in the first place.
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"I know this will draw a bit of controversy but it is not aimed at people who cycle to work as they are usually alone and not aimed at city cyclists either but the club riders who every Thursday to Saturday morning where I live and work decide to pleasure ride a coastal route from 6.30 am in groups of 2 too 60 and sit in the middle of the road and hold up traffic and prevent motorists getting to and from work and parents doing the school run i have seen people coming to blows and very dangerous overtaking through pure frustration with these arrogant wana be tour riders what are your thoughts .
My thought is why do you think that you have some sort ot right to the road that these cyclists don't?
I pay road tax so as I can drive my car on the highway if for instance I decided to roller skate up the middle of the road with my mates for fun an held you up and would not pull over you would be giving me a load and by the way a vehicle which can not keep too or near the speed limit and conditions of the road and is holding up faster moving traffic must pullover to keep the traffic moving it is an offence to go to slow as it is to go too fast ..,
You don't pay road tax...
Sorry I will explain I pay a vehicle licence tax which if you look it up was brought in solely for the up keep of the roads and highways of the United Kingdom PLC ..
WRONG!!!
Lol what ever you offer nothing but a shouted wrong and nothing else to a debate again lol
well you obviously cannot grasp the repeated points made earlier that refute your ludicrous claim so ill simply point out that you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to accept your fallacy because it doesn't support your dislike of people going about their perfectly legal pastime and/or business.
Your assertions have no basis in fact so therefore you are wrong.
LOL..
Please explain to me as in your eyes I'm not intelligent enough to understand your vast knowledge on this and probably any other subject it is a simple question which I have asked in a later post so please in lighten me...
Ive already answered this twice in this very thread, once to one of your earlier posts.
Suffice to say that there is no such thing as road tax, payment of VED does not grant road use privileges - in fact it was to combat that very idea that Winston Churchill broke the link between taxation and road maintainance in 1937.
VED is a tax on emissions, no emissions = no tax. Band A vehicles pay no tax yet are legally allowed to use the roads, therefore your assertion that you pay a tax to use the road is wrong. Many vehicles are not required to pay VED and cycles for the purposes of the system are classed as band A vehicles and are therefore legally obliged to pay the relevant fee - £0.00.
To surmise, you are wrong in your belief that your payment of VED grants you the right to use the road, as a motorist you are merely licensed to use the road and that license can be rescinded at any time.
Only 3 groups of users have a legally enshrined RIGHT to use the roads, those being pedestrians, horse riders and....
...cyclists. Look it up, its all available.
The Highway Code states that a cyclist must not ride two abreast on narrow or busy roads and any bends or corners it all so states that if you can't keep to the speed for the road and are holding up a line of traffic you must pull over at the next safest place and allow the queue to pass...
Why let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The highway code says cyclists should (not must and should is a recomendation not a law) never ride more than 2 abreast and in certain road conditions it recomedns single file. The highway code make no suggestion that cyclists have no priority and should pull over to let other vehicles past. In fact quite the oppositte it encourages cyclists to assume the primary position as it is safer.
Incidentally it does recomend that mororists give cyclists as much room as a car when overtaking. In the context of your original post about safe overtaking a quite pertinent point. I take it the highway code only applies when it (fictiously) suits your argument?
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In other words motorists should just put the lives of cyclists first and foremost instead of rushing around worrying if they are going to get work on time, its common sense really!!! But why is it people change as soon as they get behind a steering wheel,,, I've had the argument a couple of times now at the roadside,, motorist has a go at me after nearly knocking me off my cycle,, uses the argument I should pay be and he has the right to be there, not realizing I to own a car, I also pay ved and I choose to cycle to reap the benefits! |
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So come on people whats with all this arguing over what the highway code states,, it really is just common sense!!!
Give cyclists space,,
If you get stuck behind one its only for a few moments of you life,, why get irate? |
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I'm not as lightweight as I want to be but looking out the window and seeing howling rain and gale force winds puts me off. Cycling on the busy roads round here in winds that blow you all over the road isn't fun.
Maybe I should get a bike rack and drive to the off road tracks ( I have a Tricross) |
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"Ya bunch of lightweights! Us mountainbikers have been out all year, both downhill and x country "
Ya you lightweight mountain bikers with your twiddly gears, I've done about 200 miles a week all through the winter on a 77" geared fixed!
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Just remember prolonged cycling on a poorly fitting bicycle saddle may cause erectile dysfunction in older men. The risk depends upon many factors including the hours of cycling per week, the weight of the cyclist, the skill of the cyclist and the bicycle fit.
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"Just remember prolonged cycling on a poorly fitting bicycle saddle may cause erectile dysfunction in older men. The risk depends upon many factors including the hours of cycling per week, the weight of the cyclist, the skill of the cyclist and the bicycle fit.
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Its a good point, went to the doc with symptoms that i was worried were signs of testicular cancer...
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"all bloody lycra louts lol"
I resemble that remark!
I do not wear lycra - for the sake of the general public. I do not wish to cause onlookers to experience sudden vomiting or bleeding from around the eyes!
..the lout part - jury's still out on that one! |
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"all bloody lycra louts lol
I resemble that remark!
I do not wear lycra - for the sake of the general public. I do not wish to cause onlookers to experience sudden vomiting or bleeding from around the eyes!
..the lout part - jury's still out on that one! "
Lycra for the road bike and XC riding. Baggies for the times when I'm likely to fall off the MTB! |
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"all bloody lycra louts lol
I resemble that remark!
I do not wear lycra - for the sake of the general public. I do not wish to cause onlookers to experience sudden vomiting or bleeding from around the eyes!
..the lout part - jury's still out on that one!
Lycra for the road bike and XC riding. Baggies for the times when I'm likely to fall off the MTB! "
Maybe one day I'll be brave enough to go out in Lycra but at present I just look like Batman's really let himself go! |
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"Just remember prolonged cycling on a poorly fitting bicycle saddle may cause erectile dysfunction in older men. The risk depends upon many factors including the hours of cycling per week, the weight of the cyclist, the skill of the cyclist and the bicycle fit.
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Anybody else find they sometimes get a hard-on immediately after dismounting?
Fnaaar fnaaar, oo-er missus before anyone else says it |
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"Just remember prolonged cycling on a poorly fitting bicycle saddle may cause erectile dysfunction in older men. The risk depends upon many factors including the hours of cycling per week, the weight of the cyclist, the skill of the cyclist and the bicycle fit.
Anybody else find they sometimes get a hard-on immediately after dismounting?
Fnaaar fnaaar, oo-er missus before anyone else says it "
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'."
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'.
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
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You are too kind but trust me, they are the product of good lighting, photography, stomach sucking and luck! The reality of the sweaty me with snug clothing cutting into soft lady bits is less attractive. I know this because when I rise up in my saddle to push of at speed to reduce the annoyance of car drivers at traffic lights, not one filthy comment have I heard in months, not one dammit! |
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'.
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
You are too kind but trust me, they are the product of good lighting, photography, stomach sucking and luck! The reality of the sweaty me with snug clothing cutting into soft lady bits is less attractive. I know this because when I rise up in my saddle to push of at speed to reduce the annoyance of car drivers at traffic lights, not one filthy comment have I heard in months, not one dammit!"
Oh dear..
Last night, honking out of the saddle up a short hill that had a contraflow in place i had a car sit behind me til i cleared the coned section. When it passed me i turned to nod my thanks and there were two ladies in the car smiling at me and giving me the thumbs up! |
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'.
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
You are too kind but trust me, they are the product of good lighting, photography, stomach sucking and luck! The reality of the sweaty me with snug clothing cutting into soft lady bits is less attractive. I know this because when I rise up in my saddle to push of at speed to reduce the annoyance of car drivers at traffic lights, not one filthy comment have I heard in months, not one dammit!
Oh dear..
Last night, honking out of the saddle up a short hill that had a contraflow in place i had a car sit behind me til i cleared the coned section. When it passed me i turned to nod my thanks and there were two ladies in the car smiling at me and giving me the thumbs up! "
how close were they if they could give you the thumbs up |
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'.
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
You are too kind but trust me, they are the product of good lighting, photography, stomach sucking and luck! The reality of the sweaty me with snug clothing cutting into soft lady bits is less attractive. I know this because when I rise up in my saddle to push of at speed to reduce the annoyance of car drivers at traffic lights, not one filthy comment have I heard in months, not one dammit!
Oh dear..
Last night, honking out of the saddle up a short hill that had a contraflow in place i had a car sit behind me til i cleared the coned section. When it passed me i turned to nod my thanks and there were two ladies in the car smiling at me and giving me the thumbs up! "
That's made me feel a whole lot better. Not! |
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'.
having looked at your profile i cant see you having any trouble looking good in Lycra!
You are too kind but trust me, they are the product of good lighting, photography, stomach sucking and luck! The reality of the sweaty me with snug clothing cutting into soft lady bits is less attractive. I know this because when I rise up in my saddle to push of at speed to reduce the annoyance of car drivers at traffic lights, not one filthy comment have I heard in months, not one dammit!
Oh dear..
Last night, honking out of the saddle up a short hill that had a contraflow in place i had a car sit behind me til i cleared the coned section. When it passed me i turned to nod my thanks and there were two ladies in the car smiling at me and giving me the thumbs up!
That's made me feel a whole lot better. Not!"
Sorry!!
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"just in case car drivers are rusty on what to do near a cyclist I found this.
THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility
6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
thanks for the refresher
i think you cyclists should have to pay road tax like the rest of us. riding 2 and 3 wide all over the road its a bloody nuisance, and also dangerous."
yes we cyclist can be a nuisance sometimes, but pls remember even tho you clearly don't like cyclists we are very small and vunerable and break very easily so pls be patient with us and respect us as you would expect the same from us |
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"I tried lycra but chapped knees and chilblains are not a good look and don't even mention 'cyclist suntan'."
what is wrong with the cyclist suntan, just roll up the shorts a bit more LoL |
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It's amazing how many retards and nobbers add in assorted detritus - there ought to be a law...."
Its a nice(ish) day, we'll be out on our bikes having fun and keeping fit whilst they will be waddling around feeding their diabetes and feeling their blood pressure spike as they get upset at the presence of - well, everything really  |
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