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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?"
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?"
I'd like to know how the question was arrived at.
At the moment it's pure conjecture and assumption and if I am honest carries no truth at all.
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If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers. |
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Just to assist those ( and myself ) who usually just like to jump in with accusations and all the ' oh so you think abc do you ?
Or the ubiquitous ..... A woman once pressured me into sex ...... yada yada
I am not denying that women can be manipulative and men manipulated. I am not saying there are never any instances......
I'm saying , It's not socially acceptable. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers. "
That's down to personality not gender |
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By *agic.MMan 3 weeks ago
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers. "
Don't forget that if a fella has a headache, he must undoubtedly be cheating as well  |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender"
It’s fairly common and bet if a lot of men were honest and not trying to bang every woman with a pulse on here they would admit they’ve experienced something similar. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender"
We’ll agree to disagree, it’s male and female dynamics, in my opinion. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
We’ll agree to disagree, it’s male and female dynamics, in my opinion. "
It might be YOUR experience. It isn't my experience and neither of those is sufficient to make a truth or make the issue about an entire gender which is what the original question did.
Relationship dynamics is a factor but then not all relationships operate in the same way.
It just isn't more socially acceptable for women not to take no for an answer. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
We’ll agree to disagree, it’s male and female dynamics, in my opinion.
It might be YOUR experience. It isn't my experience and neither of those is sufficient to make a truth or make the issue about an entire gender which is what the original question did.
Relationship dynamics is a factor but then not all relationships operate in the same way.
It just isn't more socially acceptable for women not to take no for an answer."
I did say we’d agree to disagree, I never said it was YOUR experience.
You’re right, let’s take a poll. |
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By *AYENCouple 3 weeks ago
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it."
And that makes it socially acceptable!?
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa? "
First it's not OK for anyone. However there is a dichotomy between male and female sexuallity and promiscuity that shapes a lot of attitudes and norms. We see this dichotomy played out every day with the men to women ratios on here and the different ways (in general) men and women go about it on here.
So it seems to me the main people who find it more socially acceptable are other men. Kind of like that episode of South Park were Ike (Kyle's little brother) is having sex with a teacher. They report it to the cops who are instantly angry and ready to take action against the presumed male teacher. As soon as the teacher is revealed to be a hot female all the male cops change their tune and think it's "Nice". My point is it's men setting these standards based on their veiw of the world and mixed sexual standards. So if we want this to change it's a big conversation is for men to have between themselves to change attitudes in society about what is OK.
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
We’ll agree to disagree, it’s male and female dynamics, in my opinion.
It might be YOUR experience. It isn't my experience and neither of those is sufficient to make a truth or make the issue about an entire gender which is what the original question did.
Relationship dynamics is a factor but then not all relationships operate in the same way.
It just isn't more socially acceptable for women not to take no for an answer.
I did say we’d agree to disagree, I never said it was YOUR experience.
You’re right, let’s take a poll."
Yes you are right Nobber. You did say what we would do, I didn't disagree that we are disagreeing.
I noticed your POLL.  I notice you are only polling men. I noticed you are only polling men in a swingers forum.
How does that relate to female behaviour socially ?
What will the result prove ?
Will it prove that it is 'socially acceptable' for women to pressurise men ......
Nope
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it.
And that makes it socially acceptable!?
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Amongst women? Possibly. Women talk to each other so they either think it’s acceptable or know it’s problematic and do it anyway. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
First it's not OK for anyone. However there is a dichotomy between male and female sexuallity and promiscuity that shapes a lot of attitudes and norms. We see this dichotomy played out every day with the men to women ratios on here and the different ways (in general) men and women go about it on here.
So it seems to me the main people who find it more socially acceptable are other men. Kind of like that episode of South Park were Ike (Kyle's little brother) is having sex with a teacher. They report it to the cops who are instantly angry and ready to take action against the presumed male teacher. As soon as the teacher is revealed to be a hot female all the male cops change their tune and think it's "Nice". My point is it's men setting these standards based on their veiw of the world and mixed sexual standards. So if we want this to change it's a big conversation is for men to have between themselves to change attitudes in society about what is OK.
Mr"
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Woman in wrong = bad man? |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
First it's not OK for anyone. However there is a dichotomy between male and female sexuallity and promiscuity that shapes a lot of attitudes and norms. We see this dichotomy played out every day with the men to women ratios on here and the different ways (in general) men and women go about it on here.
So it seems to me the main people who find it more socially acceptable are other men. Kind of like that episode of South Park were Ike (Kyle's little brother) is having sex with a teacher. They report it to the cops who are instantly angry and ready to take action against the presumed male teacher. As soon as the teacher is revealed to be a hot female all the male cops change their tune and think it's "Nice". My point is it's men setting these standards based on their veiw of the world and mixed sexual standards. So if we want this to change it's a big conversation is for men to have between themselves to change attitudes in society about what is OK.
Mr"
Absolutely agree 100%.
The mirror needs turning for the focus to be on those whose sex scripts uphold stereotypes.
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
We’ll agree to disagree, it’s male and female dynamics, in my opinion.
It might be YOUR experience. It isn't my experience and neither of those is sufficient to make a truth or make the issue about an entire gender which is what the original question did.
Relationship dynamics is a factor but then not all relationships operate in the same way.
It just isn't more socially acceptable for women not to take no for an answer.
I did say we’d agree to disagree, I never said it was YOUR experience.
You’re right, let’s take a poll.
Yes you are right Nobber. You did say what we would do, I didn't disagree that we are disagreeing.
I noticed your POLL. I notice you are only polling men. I noticed you are only polling men in a swingers forum.
How does that relate to female behaviour socially ?
What will the result prove ?
Will it prove that it is 'socially acceptable' for women to pressurise men ......
Nope
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I’m polling men as my point was from a man’s perspective, it will prove my point was valid and it seems to be more acceptable (at least in a relationship) that the woman can pressure the man into sex and not vice versa.
I’m polling on a fab forum because this is where the conversation is happening.
I’m not polling on sky news because a) I don’t have access to sky news and b) I wasn’t entirely being serious about this whole thing because… it’s a sex site and I tend to keep things light.
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
It’s fairly common and bet if a lot of men were honest and not trying to bang every woman with a pulse on here they would admit they’ve experienced something similar."
...who said anything about a pulse..?  |
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"Gotcha Mr. Giggles 
Yeah…
You sure showed me…  "
No I didn't mean I got ya liked fooled ya. I was being serious.
I just mean understood that you are keeping it light....... and won't continue the conversation.
Always best to keep it light when there's just opinion bouncing all over the place. x
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
First it's not OK for anyone. However there is a dichotomy between male and female sexuallity and promiscuity that shapes a lot of attitudes and norms. We see this dichotomy played out every day with the men to women ratios on here and the different ways (in general) men and women go about it on here.
So it seems to me the main people who find it more socially acceptable are other men. Kind of like that episode of South Park were Ike (Kyle's little brother) is having sex with a teacher. They report it to the cops who are instantly angry and ready to take action against the presumed male teacher. As soon as the teacher is revealed to be a hot female all the male cops change their tune and think it's "Nice". My point is it's men setting these standards based on their veiw of the world and mixed sexual standards. So if we want this to change it's a big conversation is for men to have between themselves to change attitudes in society about what is OK.
Mr
Man in wrong = bad man.
Woman in wrong = bad man?"
No not at all wrong is wrong. This is more about cause and treatment than symptom. It goes without saying pressure and Coercion from anyone is wrong and if the criteria met against the law. That is the same law for everyone. Yet very few females are prosecuted for that. Yet I know from my own bitter experience there are very many women who also engage in toxic and controlling behaviour (this society breads it in all).
However my argument is a lot of the double standard we see specifically in relation pressure for sex is shaped by male attitudes towards sex. It's the way men are socialised by men and the attitudes we have that shape wider society. It's something that both makes it not OK for men to complain about but also gives women a free pass to apply this double standard.
So I'm not saying women are not in the wrong. But I am saying is male sexuallity, the constant drive for sex and norms shapes attitudes in this world. So if we want change on this matter then men need to talk, organise and change their attitudes (and well as women). Because rember men get a vote on this too, we're not hapless bystanders with no power. But to change the picture we need to change our attitudes and actions. Because clearly the status quo is not healthy for men and women in different ways. However that all depends if men are really genuine on wanting to change the picture? Because you can't cherry pick just the best bits. |
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By *AYENCouple 3 weeks ago
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it.
And that makes it socially acceptable!?
Amongst women? Possibly. Women talk to each other so they either think it’s acceptable or know it’s problematic and do it anyway."
I would still go with it not being socially acceptable but I agree it could be accepted within smaller social groups. |
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Societal norms.
Things are widely more accepted one way than they are another.
Rightly or wrongly, unfortunately this is the world we live in and this is what the human race has done to itself. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
First it's not OK for anyone. However there is a dichotomy between male and female sexuallity and promiscuity that shapes a lot of attitudes and norms. We see this dichotomy played out every day with the men to women ratios on here and the different ways (in general) men and women go about it on here.
So it seems to me the main people who find it more socially acceptable are other men. Kind of like that episode of South Park were Ike (Kyle's little brother) is having sex with a teacher. They report it to the cops who are instantly angry and ready to take action against the presumed male teacher. As soon as the teacher is revealed to be a hot female all the male cops change their tune and think it's "Nice". My point is it's men setting these standards based on their veiw of the world and mixed sexual standards. So if we want this to change it's a big conversation is for men to have between themselves to change attitudes in society about what is OK.
Mr"
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In my opinion men are weak and don’t take much convincing but reverse the circumstances and we are a violent and dangerous species and you can’t really argue that when you look at the facts. Most violent crimes are committed by men. |
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By *agic.MMan 3 weeks ago
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I don't think it's largely accepted, regardless if it's a woman or a man.. there are however double standards that are maintained in smaller social groups or sub cultures, by ignorant people. If you allow a person to treat you badly and you don't say anything or speak up, all it does is strengthen that person's beliefs that it's acceptable to do so. If you're not comfortable with something you have to speak up...it really starts with the individual. |
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"In my opinion men are weak and don’t take much convincing but reverse the circumstances and we are a violent and dangerous species and you can’t really argue that when you look at the facts. Most violent crimes are committed by men. "
Speak for yourself. These stupid stereotypes add nothing ti the discussion. Just cuz you can't say no , or take no fir an answer doesn't mean we all can't. |
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"I don't think it's largely accepted, regardless if it's a woman or a man.. there are however double standards that are maintained in smaller social groups or sub cultures, by ignorant people. If you allow a person to treat you badly and you don't say anything or speak up, all it does is strengthen that person's beliefs that it's acceptable to do so. If you're not comfortable with something you have to speak up...it really starts with the individual. "
Common sense. How very dare you. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
That's down to personality not gender
It’s fairly common and bet if a lot of men were honest and not trying to bang every woman with a pulse on here they would admit they’ve experienced something similar."
I’ve certainly lived this 👍 |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers. "
Research suggests that sex can improve a migraine in 60% of cases. So just man up and crack on with it 😉 |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
Research suggests that sex can improve a migraine in 60% of cases. So just man up and crack on with it 😉"
Orgasms are stronger than paracetamol, it’s science. |
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"If the Mrs says “I’ve got a headache” then that’s a 100% no.
If the fella says “I’ve got a headache” then the Mrs will sulk, be moody, strop and bang around, until you feel bad and have to ultimately give in and give her the dick just to end the weird and awkward atmosphere, then take more paracetamol.
But outside of a relationship then yeah, mainly because a lot of men are absolute wankers.
Research suggests that sex can improve a migraine in 60% of cases. So just man up and crack on with it 😉"
“Man up” brilliant emasculation 🙈🤣🤣🤣 |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa? "
I don’t think it is. There’s nuance, of course - if you’re talking about a pushy randomer then it’s obviously not ok either way round. Within a relationship, I think it comes down to communication and listening to the other person. Tempting or teasing someone is fun but I can see how that could tip over into pressure.
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"In my opinion men are weak and don’t take much convincing but reverse the circumstances and we are a violent and dangerous species and you can’t really argue that when you look at the facts. Most violent crimes are committed by men.
Speak for yourself. These stupid stereotypes add nothing ti the discussion. Just cuz you can't say no , or take no fir an answer doesn't mean we all can't. "
Most stereotypes exist for a reason the stats don’t lie unfortunately and just because “we don’t do it” doesn’t help reduce violence agaist women 🤷🏻♂️ |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?"
If a woman is celibate for example a man would would be looked as wrong for pressuring her to have sex. If a man doesn't have sex with a woman when she doesn't he's made to feel bad for making the woman not attractive or that she's not good enough |
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"If a woman is celibate for example a man would would be looked as wrong for pressuring her to have sex. If a man doesn't have sex with a woman when she doesn't he's made to feel bad for making the woman not attractive or that she's not good enough "
Actual responses to a woman after a polite no thanks include asking both of if I'm saying they're ugly or why they're not good enough.
No one should pressure or coerce anyone into sex they don't want.
The only divide here is in your own perception. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it."
This is definitely a thing. Being guilt tripped Or being accused of cheating |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it.
This is definitely a thing. Being guilt tripped Or being accused of cheating "
Yes.
A thing that happens to all genders. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it.
This is definitely a thing. Being guilt tripped Or being accused of cheating
Yes.
A thing that happens to all genders."
Off course but my point is if a woman refuses like she has every right to no one makes her feel bad about it. When a man refuses its socially acceptable to critisise him and pressured him to |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Biological - males tend to be larger and have more muscle, so easier to resist/fight them off "
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I'm not talking about being forced physically into something they don't want.
Verbally and emotionally pressured |
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"Off course but my point is if a woman refuses like she has every right to no one makes her feel bad about it. When a man refuses its socially acceptable to critisise him and pressured him to"
No. Many people try to make women feel bad about it. And criticise and pressure.
If you mean that in your social circles your mates will go on about how they'd just have done her or a 'real man' fucks whenever it's an option or whatever, that's more about your own social group.
People should always be able to reject sex they don't want to have. Someone will always tell them they're wrong. But that doesn't mean that that someone is in the right. |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I'd like to know how the question was arrived at.
At the moment it's pure conjecture and assumption and if I am honest carries no truth at all.
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Personal experience and speaking to other people that have been in that position. Saying no and having their partner burst into tears and have other people consoling them and making the man feel bad for making her "feel" unwanted. When a man is rejected his feelings are irrelevant because no means no |
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"Personal experience and speaking to other people that have been in that position. Saying no and having their partner burst into tears and have other people consoling them and making the man feel bad for making her "feel" unwanted. When a man is rejected his feelings are irrelevant because no means no"
Comments I have personally heard said in seriousness to women who have spoken about turning down sex with a man:
"Just take a sleeping pill and tell him to pull your nightie down when he's done. You can't just deny your husband sex.
Well it's your own fault when he cheats on you.
Why? Don't you love him any more?
Oh just suck it up. We're not supposed to enjoy sex it's just part of the deal."
And that's just from other women. What men have to say when they're rejected for sex they feel entitled to can be incredibly vitriolic, aggressive and manipulative. I've had a grown man cry actual tears at me when I said no while still in pain from a recent surgery at the time.
I'm glad that you understand the concept of no means no well enough to know that women should not be harangued for saying no. Now please get to grips with the fact that No means No is not a gender specific statement.
Unfortunately society is still very full of people who think of sex as something people are entitled to. The more people that accept that No means No (regardless of gender) the sooner we'll hear less shitty statements towards people simply exercising their right to not have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with 💜 |
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"Personal experience and speaking to other people that have been in that position. Saying no and having their partner burst into tears and have other people consoling them and making the man feel bad for making her "feel" unwanted. When a man is rejected his feelings are irrelevant because no means no
Comments I have personally heard said in seriousness to women who have spoken about turning down sex with a man:
Just take a sleeping pill and tell him to pull your nightie down when he's done. You can't just deny your husband sex.
Well it's your own fault when he cheats on you.
Why? Don't you love him any more?
Oh just suck it up. We're not supposed to enjoy sex it's just part of the deal.
And that's just from other women. What men have to say when they're rejected for sex they feel entitled to can be incredibly vitriolic, aggressive and manipulative. I've had a grown man cry actual tears at me when I said no while still in pain from a recent surgery at the time.
I'm glad that you understand the concept of no means no well enough to know that women should not be harangued for saying no. Now please get to grips with the fact that No means No is not a gender specific statement.
Unfortunately society is still very full of people who think of sex as something people are entitled to. The more people that accept that No means No (regardless of gender) the sooner we'll hear less shitty statements towards people simply exercising their right to not have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with 💜"
Agreed but I'm not sure how many men get their sexuality questioned by saying no, emotionally guilt tripped when saying no, being accused of no longer being attracted to their partner or cheating just for saying no.
Men have no choice to quickly learn that no means no because of the legal implications and the social perception that men are predatory and no means no to women not always apply because they can get away with it with no repercussions as they're rarely held accountable |
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"Why is it more socially acceptable for men to be pressured into sex by women than vice versa?
Who says that it is - apart from you?
I would say he’s right. I work with all men and near enough every single one of them has been guilt tripped when they’ve not been feeling it, yet when they get knocked back they’re expected to just accept it."
I’m sorry to hear that, but you think the same isn’t true for women? We have all had that, along without multiple forms of actual assault.
It’s always wrong to ignore consent, can we just leave it at that rather than create gender wars? |
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"Agreed but I'm not sure how many men get their sexuality questioned by saying no, emotionally guilt tripped when saying no, being accused of no longer being attracted to their partner or cheating just for saying no."
I have been called a lesbian for not wanting sex with a particular man. I have been accused of cheating because u must be getting it elsewhere if I didn't want their dick. I have had grown men cry tears, ask why I don't love them any more, had vague threats to their self in the general direction of 'well I may as well end it if I'm so ugly anyway.'
"Men have no choice to quickly learn that no means no because of the legal implications and the social perception that men are predatory and no means no to women not always apply because they can get away with it with no repercussions as they're rarely held accountable "
If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself. |
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" If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself.
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Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try |
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If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself.
Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try"
Are you suggesting the partner giving the BJ has already been warned never to wake him up like that because it is an invasion of his privacy? |
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If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself.
Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try
Are you suggesting the partner giving the BJ has already been warned never to wake him up like that because it is an invasion of his privacy? "
No I'm saying a lot of times consent is assumed when it comes to women making sexual advances but for a man consent needs to be very clear even if she's your partner or if you slept together numerous times. Even on the same night |
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"Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try"
Personally I have never woke so eone up with a blowjob who hadn't given express consent to such during a conversation previously. I like to communicate my boundaries early on and one of those is that I do not ever want to be woken up that way. If someone says they'd absolutely love to wake up to that, then if the horn hits me before they wake then I'd go for it. If it hasn't been discussed, it isn't happening. If their body language or reactions in any way indicate that they're not into it despite express consent given in advance, it stops immediately. Because everyone has the right to change their mind and have their wishes be respected in that scenario.
I know a lot more men who are into that wake up sex game than women. But I do also know women who are very much into it. And they communicate that to their partners. |
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If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself.
Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try
Are you suggesting the partner giving the BJ has already been warned never to wake him up like that because it is an invasion of his privacy?
No I'm saying a lot of times consent is assumed when it comes to women making sexual advances but for a man consent needs to be very clear even if she's your partner or if you slept together numerous times. Even on the same night "
Sounds like theres a very personal story involved in this |
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Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try"
As a side note; any women who feel the need to wake a man up with a morning bj, my inbox is always open…..  |
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"Women rarely kill/harm you if you reject them put they can, my wife tried to kill me because I said no. She would regularly beat me for sex."
Rarely isn't saying it never happens, just less often.
I'm sorry you went through that 💜 |
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If the only reason people choose to accept a no at all is because of the legal implications and social perceptions, rather than any moral core that allows other humans reasonable rights and freedoms, then that's kinda saying a lot in itself.
Not the ONLY reason. There's been plenty men that have been woken up by a blowjob from their partner or full blown sex with no consent and I'm 99% sure that no women has ever been criminally charged for it but men have learned that from so many examples of men being persecuted for similar examples to know better to even try
Are you suggesting the partner giving the BJ has already been warned never to wake him up like that because it is an invasion of his privacy?
No I'm saying a lot of times consent is assumed when it comes to women making sexual advances but for a man consent needs to be very clear even if she's your partner or if you slept together numerous times. Even on the same night
Sounds like theres a very personal story involved in this "
100% coming from personally knowing someone who's had his life ruined after a woman coming to meet him in a hotel room in the middle of the night, getting d*unk, having sex with my friend and then claiming that it wasn't consensual. Happens way too often but that wasn't the point of my original post |
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"I promise not to put up a fight if any naughty ladies want to pressure me into having your wicked way😂😂"
Imagine we just made it a joke to try get our end away if this was a female posting about males 👍 |
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