"Ive often wondered that if there is no medical requirement for baby boys to have this procedure- how is it not classed as child abuse? Genuine question… "
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"For Some religions, it's part of their culture as well, don't forget "
I think that’s also worth noting that in these more enlightened times is it acceptable that a religion demands an infant is subjected to what I guess is genital mutilation as part of that religion. Given there is no valid medical requirement for the infant to have that procedure. Again .. just a genuine question. |
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Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
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Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question. |
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question. "
There is no better or worse option, I just don't accept the usual arguments that are often repeated on here as reasons for not getting it done.
There are some diseases that you can only contract due to having foreskin, there is limited research that suggests being circumcised reduces the risk of STI's (although heavily disputed).
Medically speaking some people struggle with very tight foreskins which makes hygenine and cleanliness more difficult.
There's the social anxiety, especially for adolescent boys getting changed in front of one another if you do struggle with hygeine/cleanliness. I know someone who had tight foreskin and urine constantly got trapped behind it. So there would be a smell eventually but also noticeable accidents in underwear due to the penis shifting around and the fluid leaking out.
In today's day and age, I think if a male child or adult has physical, emotional and psychological issues wrapped around their difficulties with their genetalia, circumcision is a perfectly acceptable method of trying to alleviate those worries.
I'd put it in the same bracket as a breast reduction for the same reasons. |
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
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Cannot agree more! Both my boys were circumcised at birth for a number of reasons and I would always promote it for health reasons |
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question. "
There are medical benefits in individual cases. The belief that it is beneficial for all is hotly debated. This debate is heavily influenced by the American right wing Christian movement with all the money and influence they typically use to control narratives. It's a view I was taught by my fundamentalist Christian upbringing but one I've come to realise has less supporting evidence than many believe.
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"Any of you guys had this done, had my surgery on tuesday, what a horrible experience"
I doubt any surgery is fun mate. Especially down here.
Give it time. There must be a reason for it.
I had mine done at birth due to medical reasons. So can’t remember it. |
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"For Some religions, it's part of their culture as well, don't forget
I think that’s also worth noting that in these more enlightened times is it acceptable that a religion demands an infant is subjected to what I guess is genital mutilation as part of that religion. Given there is no valid medical requirement for the infant to have that procedure. Again .. just a genuine question. "
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question.
There is no better or worse option, I just don't accept the usual arguments that are often repeated on here as reasons for not getting it done.
There are some diseases that you can only contract due to having foreskin, there is limited research that suggests being circumcised reduces the risk of STI's (although heavily disputed).
Medically speaking some people struggle with very tight foreskins which makes hygenine and cleanliness more difficult.
There's the social anxiety, especially for adolescent boys getting changed in front of one another if you do struggle with hygeine/cleanliness. I know someone who had tight foreskin and urine constantly got trapped behind it. So there would be a smell eventually but also noticeable accidents in underwear due to the penis shifting around and the fluid leaking out.
In today's day and age, I think if a male child or adult has physical, emotional and psychological issues wrapped around their difficulties with their genetalia, circumcision is a perfectly acceptable method of trying to alleviate those worries.
I'd put it in the same bracket as a breast reduction for the same reasons. "
All of the above I can see there is potentially a medical/ psychological reason and have no issue with - im talking about the routine removal for no reason other than ritual/religion where there is no medical requirement for the process. |
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question.
There is no better or worse option, I just don't accept the usual arguments that are often repeated on here as reasons for not getting it done.
There are some diseases that you can only contract due to having foreskin, there is limited research that suggests being circumcised reduces the risk of STI's (although heavily disputed).
Medically speaking some people struggle with very tight foreskins which makes hygenine and cleanliness more difficult.
There's the social anxiety, especially for adolescent boys getting changed in front of one another if you do struggle with hygeine/cleanliness. I know someone who had tight foreskin and urine constantly got trapped behind it. So there would be a smell eventually but also noticeable accidents in underwear due to the penis shifting around and the fluid leaking out.
In today's day and age, I think if a male child or adult has physical, emotional and psychological issues wrapped around their difficulties with their genetalia, circumcision is a perfectly acceptable method of trying to alleviate those worries.
I'd put it in the same bracket as a breast reduction for the same reasons.
All of the above I can see there is potentially a medical/ psychological reason and have no issue with - im talking about the routine removal for no reason other than ritual/religion where there is no medical requirement for the process. "
Habit
Holy teachings
Generational behaviours passed down
Because it's the done thing
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"Ive often wondered that if there is no medical requirement for baby boys to have this procedure- how is it not classed as child abuse? Genuine question…
Agreed, it must be torture for a newborn."
Agree poor baby has no say |
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"Welcome to the club.
Please can we avoid the whole genital mutilation argument. There are clear medical and scientific benefits to having it done and therefore if there is a personal desire or medical reason to getting it done then go for it.
It is not, and never will be, in the same category as female genital mutilation which is adopted to strictly inhibit sexual gratification and desire in females in some cultures.
The removal of the clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to provide sexual pleasure to women, is a harsh and barbaric practice, often conducted without the presence of a certified medical practitioner, which when equated to male genetalia, would be the same as removing roughly 1/3rd of the length of a penis.
Im fully supportive of having it done if there is a medical necessity - as for FGM im not even looking at that as it’s mutilation.
You mention clear medical and scientific benefits for the practice of routine infancy circumcision. Could you clarify those for me as that’s the point of my question.
There is no better or worse option, I just don't accept the usual arguments that are often repeated on here as reasons for not getting it done.
There are some diseases that you can only contract due to having foreskin, there is limited research that suggests being circumcised reduces the risk of STI's (although heavily disputed).
Medically speaking some people struggle with very tight foreskins which makes hygenine and cleanliness more difficult.
There's the social anxiety, especially for adolescent boys getting changed in front of one another if you do struggle with hygeine/cleanliness. I know someone who had tight foreskin and urine constantly got trapped behind it. So there would be a smell eventually but also noticeable accidents in underwear due to the penis shifting around and the fluid leaking out.
In today's day and age, I think if a male child or adult has physical, emotional and psychological issues wrapped around their difficulties with their genetalia, circumcision is a perfectly acceptable method of trying to alleviate those worries.
I'd put it in the same bracket as a breast reduction for the same reasons.
All of the above I can see there is potentially a medical/ psychological reason and have no issue with - im talking about the routine removal for no reason other than ritual/religion where there is no medical requirement for the process.
Habit
Holy teachings
Generational behaviours passed down
Because it's the done thing
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Exactly - none of those reasons are acceptable to me. I don’t expect it to change but I have the freedom to at least to voice my disapproval.
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"It was for medical reasons. A lot of pain and blood at the moment, feelings of wishing I hadnt had it done."
Give it a few weeks an you back to fighting fit in now time. I had mine done about 6 months ago for medical reasons. Now I am past the initial pain of it I'm glad I had it done. Just take it easy for a bit and it will all be worth while. |
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