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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Alot of women seem to be not cool with this situation in the ladies loo..."
I've never had any issues whatsoever in many years. I used to use the ladies room for years as at the time I considered myself 'trans' and I didn't want any hassle in the men's room. But once I started using the men's rooms - nobody was bothered their either so I stuck to using the men's rooms.
I only use a male or female restroom though if there isn't a disabled toilet I can nip into. Ideally it would be good to have a mixed-gender one I reckon.
Primark and certain other stores now have mixed gender changing rooms, which is really good. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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The only problem is that sometimes if I'm standing doing my lipstick at the mirror on the way out or fixing my hair; a guy will march in then shout:
"OH shit!" And run out; thinking he's in the wrong toilet. Then he'll go out and check the door again and come back in and look at me suspiciously lol. |
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If you're applying Dior™ 999 Rouge - or Guerlain™ equivalent - it meets with my approval and I have no qualms about you using my W/C.
If you're using Boots No.7™ then, sorry, go forth and use my outside latrine. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"If you're applying Dior™ 999 Rouge - or Guerlain™ equivalent - it meets with my approval and I have no qualms about you using my W/C.
If you're using Boots No.7™ then, sorry, go forth and use my outside latrine."
Exquisite! |
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"The only problem is that sometimes if I'm standing doing my lipstick at the mirror on the way out or fixing my hair; a guy will march in then shout:
"OH shit!" And run out; thinking he's in the wrong toilet. Then he'll go out and check the door again and come back in and look at me suspiciously lol."
I assume you whip out the little fella and do a cheeky windmill while singing The Road to Hell to reassure him? |
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"Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Alot of women seem to be not cool with this situation in the ladies loo...
I've never had any issues whatsoever in many years. I used to use the ladies room for years as at the time I considered myself 'trans' and I didn't want any hassle in the men's room. But once I started using the men's rooms - nobody was bothered their either so I stuck to using the men's rooms.
I only use a male or female restroom though if there isn't a disabled toilet I can nip into. Ideally it would be good to have a mixed-gender one I reckon.
Primark and certain other stores now have mixed gender changing rooms, which is really good."
It's a debate i've heard at work and on the odd night out a couple of times. Debates surrounding all things trans became popular over the last few years it seems. I've heard more women oppose the toilet thing than men.
I personally have never give enough fucks about another persons business to have given it a great deal of thought.
In your situation I would rather use the ladies just because I imagine they are an awful lot cleaner. The gents loos are generally fucking disgusting.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"The only problem is that sometimes if I'm standing doing my lipstick at the mirror on the way out or fixing my hair; a guy will march in then shout:
"OH shit!" And run out; thinking he's in the wrong toilet. Then he'll go out and check the door again and come back in and look at me suspiciously lol.
I assume you whip out the little fella and do a cheeky windmill while singing The Road to Hell to reassure him?"
Lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Alot of women seem to be not cool with this situation in the ladies loo...
I've never had any issues whatsoever in many years. I used to use the ladies room for years as at the time I considered myself 'trans' and I didn't want any hassle in the men's room. But once I started using the men's rooms - nobody was bothered their either so I stuck to using the men's rooms.
I only use a male or female restroom though if there isn't a disabled toilet I can nip into. Ideally it would be good to have a mixed-gender one I reckon.
Primark and certain other stores now have mixed gender changing rooms, which is really good.
It's a debate i've heard at work and on the odd night out a couple of times. Debates surrounding all things trans became popular over the last few years it seems. I've heard more women oppose the toilet thing than men.
I personally have never give enough fucks about another persons business to have given it a great deal of thought.
In your situation I would rather use the ladies just because I imagine they are an awful lot cleaner. The gents loos are generally fucking disgusting.
Him"
Yes, the ladies toilets are cleaner. - That's the first thing I noticed when I started using them.
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since of had the argument of using the babys changing room for single men ive had to use the ladys toilet.
some really cut up funny about doing so and like ive said im not going to do it in the mens when theres no changing place for us to use there.
as goes for trans i would say please use the ladies as your dressed like a lady.
but tvs and cds use the mens
to be honest i think they should use a unisex toilet.
other week the men was using the ladys toilet one side whilst the ladys was in the same area but on the other side.
and really everyone obeyed the signage.
so to a degree unisex toilets can be used but they can be some issues as well |
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"I always use the ladies loos when out in Meeshelle mode, no one bats an eye"
I've had ladies in the Ladies give me little make up tips and even grab my lippy to tidy myself up,wouldnt get that in blokes bogs  |
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Honest answer though use whatever the fuck toilet you want just don’t look at my knob when I’m having a slash as honestly way to many guys out there doing that and it’s fucking wrong and needs called out |
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"Honest answer though use whatever the fuck toilet you want just don’t look at my knob when I’m having a slash as honestly way to many guys out there doing that and it’s fucking wrong and needs called out "
Want to add to this besides hook the cunt and grab a charge what you meant to do as a man when someone’s peep and Tomming when trying to slash ? |
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In your situation I would rather use the ladies just because I imagine they are an awful lot cleaner. The gents loos are generally fucking disgusting.
Him"
Having run pubs in the past I can tell you ladies toilets can be pretty rank. |
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In your situation I would rather use the ladies just because I imagine they are an awful lot cleaner. The gents loos are generally fucking disgusting.
Him
Having run pubs in the past I can tell you ladies toilets can be pretty rank. "
Having been in the toilet behind a female in the past I can tell yous this adds up 🙈 |
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I am trans and use women’s bathrooms for 15 years. Never had an issue other than being asked if I think trans should be banned from bathrooms as they are all sex offenders. This was from two 50-60 year old women I laughed and says I am a trans woman. The confusion in their faces was gold  the end result was well you look like a woman so it doesn’t count for you .
I have used male bathrooms for experimentation and often found it’s not a good experience been shouted at for being in wrong room. Been hit on multiple times / cock flashed. Got a some verbal grief from a group of guys who then thought it was fun to shout and point me out in shopping centre that that bird is a bloke check him out. (I had expected this potentially from certain demographic types )
Was an interesting experiment.
As to cleanliness while women’s sink areas are often clean many times (service stations I am calling you out ) the cubicles can be rotten with tampons / tissues all on floor / floating in toilet
Ultimately I don’t think anyone in general pays much attention especially in a ladies room as it’s all cubicles you go in. Piss / wash hands leave
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I was in Berlin last weekend and I liked how one of the public toilets over there operated. Open doorway, anyone could see in and cubicles lining the walls, clear view of everything from the outside so you queued until a cubicle became empty. Men and women waiting together. |
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By *nnCeeWoman 14 weeks ago
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As long as people are clean and tidy, and leave the toilet in a state they'd like to find it and wash their hands!!! I don't really mind who uses the toilet. A cubicle/stall is its own area, and a sink is a sink... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Wouldn't bother me if you used the men's or not. Which changing room would you use at a gym OP? Just curious?
Mr F. "
I would (of my own) use the mens because I'm a realist. However, sometimes that can cause more problems than anything else, so when I go to a new place (a pool/bar/gym, whatever); I have a discussion with the owner/manager what he/she feels would be for the best for my predicament, whilst ensuring that they are being fair to me.
In some (rougher) places I've had the owners prefer me to ask for a key to the disabled toilet whenever I had to use it, which I was fine with because I knew they were looking out for me.
Last year I started going to a gym and I emailed the gym owner; explaining my predicament. At the time I felt more: 'trans' and was ready to start transitioning... But that's the thing... The difference between a TV/Trans is often just as simple as one of them saying the magic words: 'Im a woman' and somehow that makes it so. I prefer reality though and I take everyone elses feelings into account - not just my own. I try to go the route of least restistance - causing as little offence to anyone as possible, because it is a delicate issue and it's not easy for anyone right now with all these changes going on. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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Heres a thing though... (From using both men and women's toilets...)...
...The cleaners are in the ladies toilets far more than the mens - keeping it clean... |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 14 weeks ago
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Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion". |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion"."
And that's fine. But on the other hand they have to accept that there is a spectrum of people with different opinions to theirs.
Most people only accept someone elses' opinion when it agrees with theirs, and for all the talk of: 'trust the science' in the last few years; many don't lol. |
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"Wouldn't bother me if you used the men's or not. Which changing room would you use at a gym OP? Just curious?
Mr F.
I would (of my own) use the mens because I'm a realist. However, sometimes that can cause more problems than anything else, so when I go to a new place (a pool/bar/gym, whatever); I have a discussion with the owner/manager what he/she feels would be for the best for my predicament, whilst ensuring that they are being fair to me.
In some (rougher) places I've had the owners prefer me to ask for a key to the disabled toilet whenever I had to use it, which I was fine with because I knew they were looking out for me.
Last year I started going to a gym and I emailed the gym owner; explaining my predicament. At the time I felt more: 'trans' and was ready to start transitioning... But that's the thing... The difference between a TV/Trans is often just as simple as one of them saying the magic words: 'Im a woman' and somehow that makes it so. I prefer reality though and I take everyone elses feelings into account - not just my own. I try to go the route of least restistance - causing as little offence to anyone as possible, because it is a delicate issue and it's not easy for anyone right now with all these changes going on."
Fair play to you OP, you sound very considerate and seem a lovely person and deserve to be treated so too.
Mr F. |
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"The only problem is that sometimes if I'm standing doing my lipstick at the mirror on the way out or fixing my hair; a guy will march in then shout:
"OH shit!" And run out; thinking he's in the wrong toilet. Then he'll go out and check the door again and come back in and look at me suspiciously lol."
Jeeeez I bet that that is awkward |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"The only problem is that sometimes if I'm standing doing my lipstick at the mirror on the way out or fixing my hair; a guy will march in then shout:
"OH shit!" And run out; thinking he's in the wrong toilet. Then he'll go out and check the door again and come back in and look at me suspiciously lol.
Jeeeez I bet that that is awkward "
I know... and all this fuss over some (genderless) clothes... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"As long as you don't stand at the final next to me I guess it's ok ."
But (on your profile) you're ok with...
"Scaffolding up outside wonder if I'll get peeping Tom's?".
Ok...
Tbh I don't even look at people when i enter any toilet.
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"As long as you don't stand at the final next to me I guess it's ok .
But (on your profile) you're ok with...
"Scaffolding up outside wonder if I'll get peeping Tom's?".
Ok...
Tbh I don't even look at people when i enter any toilet.
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I generally pick a urinal as far from anyone as possible. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?
Of course. One of our local bars has gender neutral. Cubicles for privacy, wash area is free for all. It's the way to be"
I like the sound of that! |
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Samsung or Sony are fine, but none of that Bush or Sanyo up in here, that stuff ain't right :P
On a serious note - As a male I don't care which you use. Female people will have their views, I don't have a dog in that fight. |
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Am sure the vast majority of guys wouldn't care, most tend to avoid eye contact or speaking anyway in the gents. I've certainly seen ladies use the gents at concerts and no-one batts an eye 
That said it only takes one dick to spoil the day.
I also agree that many public gents loos are frankly disgusting and wouldn't use them through choice unless desperate. |
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?"
Well yes actually I do.
Not for reasons you may think.
So anyone who has been on fabs for any length of time will know that there's a lot of men who just don't understand what a "public place" is and think any situation is an excuse to get their knobs out.
All I can see this encouraging is guy's to think it's game to start flashing their knobs around in the hopes of some fun as this is a public place where the possibility of minors being present I think it's asking for problems.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in,we all know that guy's will and do act like this so a TV dressed looking great is just red rag to a bull.
Sorry if this upsets it's not my intention. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?
Well yes actually I do.
Not for reasons you may think.
So anyone who has been on fabs for any length of time will know that there's a lot of men who just don't understand what a "public place" is and think any situation is an excuse to get their knobs out.
All I can see this encouraging is guy's to think it's game to start flashing their knobs around in the hopes of some fun as this is a public place where the possibility of minors being present I think it's asking for problems.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in,we all know that guy's will and do act like this so a TV dressed looking great is just red rag to a bull.
Sorry if this upsets it's not my intention."
I've personally never seen this in nearly 20 years of public crossdressing anywhere and everywhere... I'm not really convinced that the 99.9% should suffer for the .1%, but if that's the world you prefer to live in, then I hope you have fun in it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?
Well yes actually I do.
Not for reasons you may think.
So anyone who has been on fabs for any length of time will know that there's a lot of men who just don't understand what a "public place" is and think any situation is an excuse to get their knobs out.
All I can see this encouraging is guy's to think it's game to start flashing their knobs around in the hopes of some fun as this is a public place where the possibility of minors being present I think it's asking for problems.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in,we all know that guy's will and do act like this so a TV dressed looking great is just red rag to a bull.
Sorry if this upsets it's not my intention."
Actually... I do agree with some of what you say...
QUOTE: "a TV dressed looking great is just red rag to a bull."
Some guys could possibly get overly randy in a public place if a well dressed TV was present. But the guy would be at fault and would no doubt be punished for it and why should everyone have to suffer for something that is probably never going to happen? - I mean... People behave one way on fab and quite another offline... That includes women too!
I personally think the solution would be gender-neutral restrooms that are just full of cubicles with their own sinks and mirrors; lest it eventually come to cameras and guards! |
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I never really look at anyone when I use a public toilet.. I go in and do what I’ve got to do and leave so I assume everyone else is there to do the same so it doesn’t bother me!! Use whatever toilet you feel most comfortable in  after all in the women’s at least, we don’t remove clothes until we’re in a private cubical |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Gender specific toilets are stupid anyway, just make every toilet a cubicle with its own sink and everyone can do their business in peace."
Exactly my thoughts... And have some music playing in them... Nothing worse than crapping away in silence with someone next to you doing the same... |
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When we moved into a brand new building at work it had gender-neutral loos ... for about a week. Then ladies demanded their own again due to the apparent inability of some gents to hit the bowl. It might be a minority but it's still bad - garden sprinklers spring to mind  |
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"Gender specific toilets are stupid anyway, just make every toilet a cubicle with its own sink and everyone can do their business in peace.
Exactly my thoughts... And have some music playing in them... Nothing worse than crapping away in silence with someone next to you doing the same..."
I always try and sing to drown out the noises I'm making |
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"When we moved into a brand new building at work it had gender-neutral loos ... for about a week. Then ladies demanded their own again due to the apparent inability of some gents to hit the bowl. It might be a minority but it's still bad - garden sprinklers spring to mind "
The ladies are quite right. Utterly disgusting. |
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"Gender specific toilets are stupid anyway, just make every toilet a cubicle with its own sink and everyone can do their business in peace.
Exactly my thoughts... And have some music playing in them... Nothing worse than crapping away in silence with someone next to you doing the same...
I always try and sing to drown out the noises I'm making"
I usually flush the toilet about 100 times or play music on my phone. |
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"Gender specific toilets are stupid anyway, just make every toilet a cubicle with its own sink and everyone can do their business in peace.
Exactly my thoughts... And have some music playing in them... Nothing worse than crapping away in silence with someone next to you doing the same...
I always try and sing to drown out the noises I'm making
I usually flush the toilet about 100 times or play music on my phone."
Haha ring of fire by jonny cash? |
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion"."
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Gender specific toilets are stupid anyway, just make every toilet a cubicle with its own sink and everyone can do their business in peace.
Exactly my thoughts... And have some music playing in them... Nothing worse than crapping away in silence with someone next to you doing the same...
I always try and sing to drown out the noises I'm making
I usually flush the toilet about 100 times or play music on my phone.
Haha ring of fire by jonny cash?"
Arrrgh lol! |
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?"
Of course we do. You must know that by now.
Fair point though from whoever said that above. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 14 weeks ago
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?"
And just to add (and this is as far as I'll get into a reLIEgious debate...)
... There are some things in those 'books' that are more unpleasant than anything on fab...
... Having your bollocks roasted forever in a big fire for one. |
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I think about how would I feel if my cis teenage female daughter was in a toilet with someone who expressed physical XY characteristics irregardless of how they identified. If there was a chance of her being exposed to XY sex organs or interaction with someone with XY chromosomes in what I class to be a vulnerable space then I would be somewhat unnerved. |
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"I think about how would I feel if my cis teenage female daughter was in a toilet with someone who expressed physical XY characteristics irregardless of how they identified. If there was a chance of her being exposed to XY sex organs or interaction with someone with XY chromosomes in what I class to be a vulnerable space then I would be somewhat unnerved. "
Respect.
Hopefully we will all find a solution one day.
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"I am trans and use women’s bathrooms for 15 years. Never had an issue other than being asked if I think trans should be banned from bathrooms as they are all sex offenders. This was from two 50-60 year old women I laughed and says I am a trans woman. The confusion in their faces was gold the end result was well you look like a woman so it doesn’t count for you .
I have used male bathrooms for experimentation and often found it’s not a good experience been shouted at for being in wrong room. Been hit on multiple times / cock flashed. Got a some verbal grief from a group of guys who then thought it was fun to shout and point me out in shopping centre that that bird is a bloke check him out. (I had expected this potentially from certain demographic types )
Was an interesting experiment.
As to cleanliness while women’s sink areas are often clean many times (service stations I am calling you out ) the cubicles can be rotten with tampons / tissues all on floor / floating in toilet
Ultimately I don’t think anyone in general pays much attention especially in a ladies room as it’s all cubicles you go in. Piss / wash hands leave
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"I am trans and use women’s bathrooms for 15 years. Never had an issue other than being asked if I think trans should be banned from bathrooms as they are all sex offenders. This was from two 50-60 year old women I laughed and says I am a trans woman. The confusion in their faces was gold the end result was well you look like a woman so it doesn’t count for you .
I have used male bathrooms for experimentation and often found it’s not a good experience been shouted at for being in wrong room. Been hit on multiple times / cock flashed. Got a some verbal grief from a group of guys who then thought it was fun to shout and point me out in shopping centre that that bird is a bloke check him out. (I had expected this potentially from certain demographic types )
Was an interesting experiment.
As to cleanliness while women’s sink areas are often clean many times (service stations I am calling you out ) the cubicles can be rotten with tampons / tissues all on floor / floating in toilet
Ultimately I don’t think anyone in general pays much attention especially in a ladies room as it’s all cubicles you go in. Piss / wash hands leave
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By (user no longer on site) 14 weeks ago
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"Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Alot of women seem to be not cool with this situation in the ladies loo...
I've never had any issues whatsoever in many years. I used to use the ladies room for years as at the time I considered myself 'trans' and I didn't want any hassle in the men's room. But once I started using the men's rooms - nobody was bothered their either so I stuck to using the men's rooms.
I only use a male or female restroom though if there isn't a disabled toilet I can nip into. Ideally it would be good to have a mixed-gender one I reckon.
Primark and certain other stores now have mixed gender changing rooms, which is really good.
It's a debate i've heard at work and on the odd night out a couple of times. Debates surrounding all things trans became popular over the last few years it seems. I've heard more women oppose the toilet thing than men.
I personally have never give enough fucks about another persons business to have given it a great deal of thought.
In your situation I would rather use the ladies just because I imagine they are an awful lot cleaner. The gents loos are generally fucking disgusting.
Him"
I worked in a pub from a busy well-known chain when I was younger... the male toilets smelled pretty bad but the female toilets were like a bomb had went off, lipstick kisses all over the mirrors, tampons thrown behind toilets instead of in the proper bins, toilet roll everywhere...
I'll never understand the kissing the mirror thing, proper clatty if you ask me! |
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I would have no problem at all it would not make me feel uncomfortable at all.
It's sad that in the modern era that people are so narrow minded and hurtful in these situations.
As a lot have said, you do whatever makes you comfortable x |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 14 weeks ago
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?"
You're absolutely correct and I agree entirely, but I'm sure you've seen the news at some stage over the past 10 years or so. Radical Islamists are not famous for their abilities to adjust their own culture or adapt to anyone else's, and we seem to have plenty of those in the UK. Even speaking about the prophet has caused people to go into hiding for fear of having their head removed from their neck using a small, blunt vegetable knife. We may be tolerant in general as a society, but not all members of our current society have the same levels of tolerance. |
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"I think about how would I feel if my cis teenage female daughter was in a toilet with someone who expressed physical XY characteristics irregardless of how they identified. If there was a chance of her being exposed to XY sex organs or interaction with someone with XY chromosomes in what I class to be a vulnerable space then I would be somewhat unnerved. "
I agree. If you have a penis you use the men’s, if you don’t you use the ladies, regardless of what people are wearing.
But I believe cubicles for anyone with a loo and wash basin and mirror are probably the answer to it all. |
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"I think about how would I feel if my cis teenage female daughter was in a toilet with someone who expressed physical XY characteristics irregardless of how they identified. If there was a chance of her being exposed to XY sex organs or interaction with someone with XY chromosomes in what I class to be a vulnerable space then I would be somewhat unnerved."
That's called "Demonising". So not all people with XY are predators. You are XY, are you a predator to other cis teenage daughters?
When you demonise people, you only see discriminatory stereotype... all Black Men are violent, all Muslims are Terrorists.
JK Rowling demonised trans women because it keeps her relevant in the media. Don't be fooled by her. |
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Regardless of society and identification I would see the inside of a jail if my daughters were exposed, unwontedly, to a penis, prick or cock regardless 😳 they’re my girls and I give zero fcuks what anyone thinks of me ❤️ |
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"Regardless of society and identification I would see the inside of a jail if my daughters were exposed, unwontedly, to a penis, prick or cock regardless 😳 they’re my girls and I give zero fcuks what anyone thinks of me ❤️ "
Your powerful sense of protection towards your daughter is admirable if a little misplaced.
It has been said, if a predator wanted to perv your daughter in the ladies loo, he would do better dressed as a cleaner or janitor. He would be foolish to attract so much attention as trans with so much Transphobia around. |
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It’s not misplaced but thanks.
I’m not phobic about anything, each to their own and all that jazz.
If someone is nice/good to me I’ll reciprocate the niceness/goodness regardless however if someone is mean/nasty towards me then I will reciprocate the same but worse regardless ❤️ |
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"It’s not misplaced but thanks.
I’m not phobic about anything, each to their own and all that jazz. "
In that case you should be ok for someone like the OP to use ladies loo as she's just normal and wants to use the ladies loo normally.
Don't assume all cis women are safe. Reviews of Fred and Rose West case is because the victims felt safe because Rose West was present. It's an easy ploy, again, don't be fooled. |
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I'm fine with female cleaners being present in public conveniences when I need to go, so would have no issues with a TV being in there.
Would be interesting to be stood in line at the urinals as you lift your skirt to pee I guess, but no different from a Scot in a kilt (I have a kilt myself btw)....  |
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"It’s not misplaced but thanks.
I’m not phobic about anything, each to their own and all that jazz.
In that case you should be ok for someone like the OP to use ladies loo as she's just normal and wants to use the ladies loo normally.
Don't assume all cis women are safe. Reviews of Fred and Rose West case is because the victims felt safe because Rose West was present. It's an easy ploy, again, don't be fooled."
But you’re mistaken clearly🤔
OPs question was If “guys” were ok with TV/TS using their bogs aka men’s bogs 🤷🏽♂️
Plus you’re right biological women aren’t always safe either but I hope the majority of cases whether a MAN or WOMAN my girls would fuck shit up before I arrive 😁 |
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?
You're absolutely correct and I agree entirely, but I'm sure you've seen the news at some stage over the past 10 years or so. Radical Islamists are not famous for their abilities to adjust their own culture or adapt to anyone else's, and we seem to have plenty of those in the UK. Even speaking about the prophet has caused people to go into hiding for fear of having their head removed from their neck using a small, blunt vegetable knife. We may be tolerant in general as a society, but not all members of our current society have the same levels of tolerance."
this Is why these types need permanently removing from society |
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"I think about how would I feel if my cis teenage female daughter was in a toilet with someone who expressed physical XY characteristics irregardless of how they identified. If there was a chance of her being exposed to XY sex organs or interaction with someone with XY chromosomes in what I class to be a vulnerable space then I would be somewhat unnerved.
I agree. If you have a penis you use the men’s, if you don’t you use the ladies, regardless of what people are wearing.
But I believe cubicles for anyone with a loo and wash basin and mirror are probably the answer to it all. "
I am fine in the women's bathrooms . as have been for over a decade .. thankfully being a trans women that is fortunate to have had lots surgeries to enable me to function in society as a woman visually .. and not be to tall by todays standards of women .. I just float on by ... in and out ..
Its not about clothes Nora its about what you visually look like, the human race is a visual based species we respond / react to what we see .. if someone looks like it should then all is fine ... if something looks out of place then its problematic ..
no one ever wants to talk about the visual aspect of reality in the media it seems .
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 14 weeks ago
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?
You're absolutely correct and I agree entirely, but I'm sure you've seen the news at some stage over the past 10 years or so. Radical Islamists are not famous for their abilities to adjust their own culture or adapt to anyone else's, and we seem to have plenty of those in the UK. Even speaking about the prophet has caused people to go into hiding for fear of having their head removed from their neck using a small, blunt vegetable knife. We may be tolerant in general as a society, but not all members of our current society have the same levels of tolerance.
this Is why these types need permanently removing from society "
This is probably a whole other topic for discussion, but what do you mean by "these types need permanently removing from society"? Removing how? Are their beliefs and values not as equally important as anyone else's? |
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?
You're absolutely correct and I agree entirely, but I'm sure you've seen the news at some stage over the past 10 years or so. Radical Islamists are not famous for their abilities to adjust their own culture or adapt to anyone else's, and we seem to have plenty of those in the UK. Even speaking about the prophet has caused people to go into hiding for fear of having their head removed from their neck using a small, blunt vegetable knife. We may be tolerant in general as a society, but not all members of our current society have the same levels of tolerance.
this Is why these types need permanently removing from society
This is probably a whole other topic for discussion, but what do you mean by "these types need permanently removing from society"? Removing how? Are their beliefs and values not as equally important as anyone else's?"
you said some of these people want to remove people heads from neck , these people need permanently removing from society t hey are a violent danger and a menace if they feel its acceptable to kill someone on that front .... take of that how you will . would you want to be coexist with violent killers then around you knowingly ... course you wouldn't .. |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 14 weeks ago
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"Just playing devil's advocate here, but for the most part, people on here will be more accepting because we are all adults on a swinging site who choose to be on here. What we don't really have is the young girls, especially from cultures that aren't as liberal. For a young muslim girl, for example, using a toilet next to what they believe to be a man could be quite problematic, and has been, because Islam requires levels of "modesty" from men in this situation, as per Qu'ranic teachings. We pride ourselves on our multi-cultural acceptance in the UK, but this could be tricky solution to find. The phrase I have heard in this respect, and that of mixed sex changing rooms is "Trans inclusion means Muslim exclusion".
Do we really need to moderate our lives according to the rules someone else's imaginary sky-pilot dictates?
You're absolutely correct and I agree entirely, but I'm sure you've seen the news at some stage over the past 10 years or so. Radical Islamists are not famous for their abilities to adjust their own culture or adapt to anyone else's, and we seem to have plenty of those in the UK. Even speaking about the prophet has caused people to go into hiding for fear of having their head removed from their neck using a small, blunt vegetable knife. We may be tolerant in general as a society, but not all members of our current society have the same levels of tolerance.
this Is why these types need permanently removing from society
This is probably a whole other topic for discussion, but what do you mean by "these types need permanently removing from society"? Removing how? Are their beliefs and values not as equally important as anyone else's?
you said some of these people want to remove people heads from neck , these people need permanently removing from society t hey are a violent danger and a menace if they feel its acceptable to kill someone on that front .... take of that how you will . would you want to be coexist with violent killers then around you knowingly ... course you wouldn't .. "
Wanting to and actually doing so are very different things. Many people in the UK are recently arrived from countries where homosexuality in any form is illegal, and in many cases, punishable by death. Iran is one example. I really don't believe that it's only moderates who come here. |
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?"
Your original question as a guy, if a TV arrived to use the toilet I certainly wouldn’t have an issue.
As a TV dressed I have used both at times, as the venue or situation may have required a bit of diplomacy. However when attending an event that actively encouraged or was specifically aimed at the Trans community (such as Sparkle venues) I’ll most certainly use the ladies.
Back when I first went out to gay venues (in the 90’s) on the few occasions I did use the gents, I did have one or two direct me to the ladies as the gay guys could object to me being in the gents. I should add only a militant few gay guys would object me using the gents though. |
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"Regardless of society and identification I would see the inside of a jail if my daughters were exposed, unwontedly, to a penis, prick or cock regardless 😳 they’re my girls and I give zero fcuks what anyone thinks of me ❤️
Your powerful sense of protection towards your daughter is admirable if a little misplaced.
It has been said, if a predator wanted to perv your daughter in the ladies loo, he would do better dressed as a cleaner or janitor. He would be foolish to attract so much attention as trans with so much Transphobia around."
That sounds very true. The media makes a big deal of the trans thing for public reaction but the reality is that we just want a pee in peace like everyone else |
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"...Sharing the same public restroom as you?
Your original question as a guy, if a TV arrived to use the toilet I certainly wouldn’t have an issue.
As a TV dressed I have used both at times, as the venue or situation may have required a bit of diplomacy. However when attending an event that actively encouraged or was specifically aimed at the Trans community (such as Sparkle venues) I’ll most certainly use the ladies.
Back when I first went out to gay venues (in the 90’s) on the few occasions I did use the gents, I did have one or two direct me to the ladies as the gay guys could object to me being in the gents. I should add only a militant few gay guys would object me using the gents though. "
Yeh I agree, and this is exactly why I always talk it over with the place I'm at concerning what toilets to use - because sometimes it's better to use the male/female/disabled and sometimes not! |
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