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By *oxychic OP Woman 9 weeks ago
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Im on a health kick , have been since middle of June, losing weight but I need to get more protein in me , I have protein water , yoghurts etc anyone recommend a nice not over sickly protein bar 😉😊 |
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We can go down the penis route.. but if you want a sensible answer I wouldn't go with the protein bars, they are usually full of sugar. Stick with meat (chicken, not penis) to increase your intake throughout the day. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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Fine, I'll be the adult 
I tend to stick to a lot of lean meats like chicken, turkey and fish and try to incorporate them in ally meals. As far as snacks go, nuts are brilliant and I also buy some of those protein yoghurts from Aldi which are great! Protein powder is a great supplement too, either to just mix with water or to incorporate into some overnight oats or other meals too!  |
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By *oxychic OP Woman 9 weeks ago
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"Fine, I'll be the adult
I tend to stick to a lot of lean meats like chicken, turkey and fish and try to incorporate them in ally meals. As far as snacks go, nuts are brilliant and I also buy some of those protein yoghurts from Aldi which are great! Protein powder is a great supplement too, either to just mix with water or to incorporate into some overnight oats or other meals too! "
I use protein powder never thought about putting it in oats etc , is that the unflavoured one u use 😀 |
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"Fine, I'll be the adult
I tend to stick to a lot of lean meats like chicken, turkey and fish and try to incorporate them in ally meals. As far as snacks go, nuts are brilliant and I also buy some of those protein yoghurts from Aldi which are great! Protein powder is a great supplement too, either to just mix with water or to incorporate into some overnight oats or other meals too!
I use protein powder never thought about putting it in oats etc , is that the unflavoured one u use 😀"
It can be very versatile in how you use it. I stick to the vanilla one 😇 |
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By *oxychic OP Woman 9 weeks ago
Nottinghamshire |
"Fine, I'll be the adult
I tend to stick to a lot of lean meats like chicken, turkey and fish and try to incorporate them in ally meals. As far as snacks go, nuts are brilliant and I also buy some of those protein yoghurts from Aldi which are great! Protein powder is a great supplement too, either to just mix with water or to incorporate into some overnight oats or other meals too!
I use protein powder never thought about putting it in oats etc , is that the unflavoured one u use 😀
It can be very versatile in how you use it. I stick to the vanilla one 😇"
vanilla eh ! 😀 I try that thanks |
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"Fine, I'll be the adult
I tend to stick to a lot of lean meats like chicken, turkey and fish and try to incorporate them in ally meals. As far as snacks go, nuts are brilliant and I also buy some of those protein yoghurts from Aldi which are great! Protein powder is a great supplement too, either to just mix with water or to incorporate into some overnight oats or other meals too!
I use protein powder never thought about putting it in oats etc , is that the unflavoured one u use 😀
It can be very versatile in how you use it. I stick to the vanilla one 😇
vanilla eh ! 😀 I try that thanks "
Nothing wrong with some vanilla every now and then 😉 hope it goes well! |
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"Im on a health kick , have been since middle of June, losing weight but I need to get more protein in me , I have protein water , yoghurts etc anyone recommend a nice not over sickly protein bar 😉😊"
Have you tried eating more protein rich foods like eggs, beans, pulses etc? |
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By *oxychic OP Woman 9 weeks ago
Nottinghamshire |
"Im on a health kick , have been since middle of June, losing weight but I need to get more protein in me , I have protein water , yoghurts etc anyone recommend a nice not over sickly protein bar 😉😊
Have you tried eating more protein rich foods like eggs, beans, pulses etc?"
of course I eat alot of lean meat fish ,eggs etc |
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The Grahams protein yoghurt pouches taste really nice and are very convenient - they have 25g of protein (can get them from Home Bargains). Warburtons do a ‘protein power’ bread which is lovely and is 16g of protein per two slices. It really helps to bump up the protein if you have it with a chicken/ turkey/ tuna sandwich etc. Light Babybel cheese is also handy for a snack - they have 5g of protein each  |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat". "
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn |
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By *r TriomanMan 9 weeks ago
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn"
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime? |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime? "
Most the powders, yogurts etc. suggested above are ultra processed which aren't ideal if you're seeking a health kick.
They're not necessary either. You can get all your protein needs with the above, just make sure to combine them.
If you have a particular goal, use a tracking app. Personally I'll maybe eat a hummus sandwich or extra nuts if feel I need to bump my protein. Generally it isn't necessary though. |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
Most the powders, yogurts etc. suggested above are ultra processed which aren't ideal if you're seeking a health kick.
They're not necessary either. You can get all your protein needs with the above, just make sure to combine them.
If you have a particular goal, use a tracking app. Personally I'll maybe eat a hummus sandwich or extra nuts if feel I need to bump my protein. Generally it isn't necessary though."
A lot of the powders and yoghurts aren't really meant to be a main source of protein though, but more a supplement to your diet bump your intake up conveniently. I suppose it depends on the goals you want to achieve though. |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime? "
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements. |
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By *r TriomanMan 9 weeks ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
Most the powders, yogurts etc. suggested above are ultra processed which aren't ideal if you're seeking a health kick.
They're not necessary either. You can get all your protein needs with the above, just make sure to combine them.
If you have a particular goal, use a tracking app. Personally I'll maybe eat a hummus sandwich or extra nuts if feel I need to bump my protein. Generally it isn't necessary though."
Great advice, thank you. Yes, UPF and vegan food seems to go hand-in-hand; eating and making from fresh is the best way but time consuming. I have enjoyed making vegan butter, vegan Nutella and oak milk myself, very rewarding. |
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By *r TriomanMan 9 weeks ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements."
This is a really good point, although, as a cycle tourist, I'm not looking to build bulk, just strength and endurance. |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
This is a really good point, although, as a cycle tourist, I'm not looking to build bulk, just strength and endurance. "
You probably still want to keep your protein high for recovery. Myprotein have a range of vegan protein powders if you’re wanting to increase your intake without eating more meals. I would also recommend creatine monohydrate. |
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By *r TriomanMan 9 weeks ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
This is a really good point, although, as a cycle tourist, I'm not looking to build bulk, just strength and endurance.
You probably still want to keep your protein high for recovery. Myprotein have a range of vegan protein powders if you’re wanting to increase your intake without eating more meals. I would also recommend creatine monohydrate."
Thanks, I've spent my whole life training and/or keeping fit for one sport or another yet I've always been ignorant to this sort of thing; I take a look into you suggestions and start getting intelligent about it. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements."
Nonsense. |
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Specifically with regards protein bars I'm a fan of a few Grenade ones
Salted Caramel
Oreo
Mint
Fulfil do some nice ones
But most are rank and all have way more calories than I would like🤣🤣🤣
The Brooklea protein yogurts from Aldi at 25g of protein are a great buy |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Nonsense."
It’s not though, is it? |
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It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need. |
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By *heelerMan 9 weeks ago
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"Im on a health kick , have been since middle of June, losing weight but I need to get more protein in me , I have protein water , yoghurts etc anyone recommend a nice not over sickly protein bar 😉😊"
Lidl sell a great selection of mousse, drinks and protein bars they are lovely. |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn"
Vegan protein IS protein and is enough to build muscle done properly.
To the list above add :- Edamame , spelt, green peas, spirulina , amarinth or quinoa Ezeikel bread and nut butters .... |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need."
The best advice unfortunately isn’t enough, consumers have a right to be fleeced with the promise of a short cut |
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By *929Man 9 weeks ago
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat". "
Unfortunately most vegan protein sources have incomplete amino acid profile so body only absorbs a small amount of the already low protein content. Need to combine several sources at one time |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime?
If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
This is a really good point, although, as a cycle tourist, I'm not looking to build bulk, just strength and endurance.
You probably still want to keep your protein high for recovery. Myprotein have a range of vegan protein powders if you’re wanting to increase your intake without eating more meals. I would also recommend creatine monohydrate.
Thanks, I've spent my whole life training and/or keeping fit for one sport or another yet I've always been ignorant to this sort of thing; I take a look into you suggestions and start getting intelligent about it."
I use silken tofu to make sauces or add to soups, casseroles etc to thicken and get a hit of protein into the meal. Just blend it with a little water to add to curries, stews and soups. Blend it with artichoke hearts or tahini as bases for sauces |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need."
All that was ever needed. Unfortunately with the decline of heavy and mid industry, most are leading a more sedentary lifestyle, but still having a high protein diet, and can't burn it off. |
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By *929Man 9 weeks ago
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
All that was ever needed. Unfortunately with the decline of heavy and mid industry, most are leading a more sedentary lifestyle, but still having a high protein diet, and can't burn it off."
Protein doesn't need burning off it’s almost impossible for the body to store it as fat, of all the things making people in modern society fat it’s certainly not excessive protein intake |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need."
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong. |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong."
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet."
I'm sorry, but maybe those supplements didn't work for you, but isn't the whole basis of adding protein or creatine to your diet that it works differently for different people? If some people find that these help them in their progress in the way it doesn't help if they don't take them, then who are you to dismiss that and say otherwise? |
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Not done any real calculations on how much protein I need but do try and have a healthy smoothie after a workout that really keeps me full and lunch is not because Im hungry but just so I can add a bit more protein.
Smoothy is almost always a banana, 2 heaped table spoons of pure peanut butter, teaspoon of cacao powder, 4 teaspoons of mixed seeds, teaspoon of super greens powder, 300ml skimmed milk.
Lunch is usually couple of boiled eggs and avocado smash on sourdough toast.
Dinner usually some form of beans or lentils with rice.
I take amino energy (acids) in the gym if I'm working out
Try and avoid fake meat or protein powders and stick to natural sources and wholefoods where possible. Yes vegetarian here for the last decade or so |
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"I'm sorry, but maybe those supplements didn't work for you, but isn't the whole basis of adding protein or creatine to your diet that it works differently for different people? If some people find that these help them in their progress in the way it doesn't help if they don't take them, then who are you to dismiss that and say otherwise?"
I was responding to earlier claims. Average man needs 200g daily and other such bollocks.
Supplements do of course work if you're failing to get your needs through your diet. That wasn't the discussion.
As for 'who am I' 
Who are you? |
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"I'm sorry, but maybe those supplements didn't work for you, but isn't the whole basis of adding protein or creatine to your diet that it works differently for different people? If some people find that these help them in their progress in the way it doesn't help if they don't take them, then who are you to dismiss that and say otherwise?
I was responding to earlier claims. Average man needs 200g daily and other such bollocks.
Supplements do of course work if you're failing to get your needs through your diet. That wasn't the discussion.
As for 'who am I'
Who are you? "
JoeBeans, it says right there 
Also, you literally said "Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet." - which sounded an awful lot like a reductive statement against the use of supplements different to your most recent reply. I think 200g is excessive but I've heard of needing between 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight to build muscle which 200g of protein can fit into. It's essentially a guideline. |
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"I'm sorry, but maybe those supplements didn't work for you, but isn't the whole basis of adding protein or creatine to your diet that it works differently for different people? If some people find that these help them in their progress in the way it doesn't help if they don't take them, then who are you to dismiss that and say otherwise?
I was responding to earlier claims. Average man needs 200g daily and other such bollocks.
Supplements do of course work if you're failing to get your needs through your diet. That wasn't the discussion.
As for 'who am I'
Who are you?
JoeBeans, it says right there
Also, you literally said "Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet." - which sounded an awful lot like a reductive statement against the use of supplements different to your most recent reply. I think 200g is excessive but I've heard of needing between 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight to build muscle which 200g of protein can fit into. It's essentially a guideline."
Yeah but based on what? (As per original question which the other bloke never answered - cos common knowledge apparently)
And yeah, you don't need supplements. If you do, fix your diet. If you don't, you are indeed shitting them out.
Oh - Joebeans  You're like famous on Fab |
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"Yeah but based on what? (As per original question which the other bloke never answered - cos common knowledge apparently)
And yeah, you don't need supplements. If you do, fix your diet. If you don't, you are indeed shitting them out.
Oh - Joebeans You're like famous on Fab "
Why are you being so absolute and obtuse about this? If people find benefits in taking these supplements along with a well balanced diet (hence the name "supplement"), it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.
You can literally Google "studies on protein supplements in muscle growth" and find a number of results which I can't link as I think it goes against forum rules.
So all in all, let people do whatever the fuck they want if it helps them with their goals |
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"Any protein advice for Vegans? Please don't say "eat meat".
Tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, seitan, soy, nutritional yeast, oats, nuts, peas, sweetcorn
Thanks, I have all of them in my normal diet; I was asking more it the context of this thread; protein advice for exercise. As vegan, is the protein intake from a normal diet enough to sustain an exercise regime? "
Yes.
Workout what your calorie intake should be for your height & weight. Learn about TDEE & Macros.
Track your diet, food and liquids. Track your workouts or training regime. Learn a little every day / week and you'll be grand. |
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"Yeah but based on what? (As per original question which the other bloke never answered - cos common knowledge apparently)
And yeah, you don't need supplements. If you do, fix your diet. If you don't, you are indeed shitting them out.
Oh - Joebeans You're like famous on Fab
Why are you being so absolute and obtuse about this? If people find benefits in taking these supplements along with a well balanced diet (hence the name "supplement"), it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.
You can literally Google "studies on protein supplements in muscle growth" and find a number of results which I can't link as I think it goes against forum rules.
So all in all, let people do whatever the fuck they want if it helps them with their goals "
People are of course free to do as they wish.
You could extend the same courtesy and permit people to call out bullshit when they spot it It's how discussions work. Or are we only allowed to agree with what the popular kids decree?
You don't need to link to the studies we've all seen and heard. But you could look into how RDAs are calculated and why those subsequent 'guidelines' are problematic.
I love how the has become the symbol for passive aggression on here. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"You could extend the same courtesy and permit people to call out bullshit when they spot it It's how discussions work. Or are we only allowed to agree with what the popular kids decree?
You don't need to link to the studies we've all seen and heard. But you could look into how RDAs are calculated and why those subsequent 'guidelines' are problematic.
I love how the has become the symbol for passive aggression on here."
But that's the entire point of studies and research! To constantly evolve the knowledge and you can only go by what is widespread and proven if you claim to know better. It's not agreeing with the popular kids, it's understanding widespread information. I'm happy to have the discussion but how does you reducing a viewpoint to "money you shit out" helpful in anyway especially if the majority of people find results in the opposite of what you say? |
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The majority of people don't. Kinda the point. You understand all surplus protein passes through your body? That's the shitting out part.
The RDA is the problematic bit with the studies. They're based on it.
Add onto that people basing their calculated ratio onto total body weight instead of lean mass and you get the kind of crazy numbers thrown around above.
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By *929Man 9 weeks ago
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Protein needs are individual and sometimes eating enough food to meet requirements can be a chore and many turn to protein supplements, hard training elevates muscle protein synthesis for a period of time, testosterone use turns on muscle protein synthesis 24/7, increased muscle mass requires more ect I take in 300-400g a day and sometimes use supplements when pushing 400g |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
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You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about. |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about."
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym"
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym
Oh and great quads geordie jeans 😘"
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym
Oh and great quads geordie jeans 😘
Thanks and you’re both looking great. More proof that high protein works."
Tried slimming world but their message is very unclear eg eat as much pasta/potato/rice as you want. Carbohydrates that store as fat if you don’t do enough exercise to burn it off |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym
Oh and great quads geordie jeans 😘
Thanks and you’re both looking great. More proof that high protein works.
Tried slimming world but their message is very unclear eg eat as much pasta/potato/rice as you want. Carbohydrates that store as fat if you don’t do enough exercise to burn it off"
Although slimming world definitely works it probably isn’t ideal if you’re going to the gym regularly and trying to build muscle. |
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"It is though isn't it. On multiple levels.
To begin with on what basis have you calculated the protein need? Lean body mass or total body weight including unwanted fat?
The only noticeable impact I ever found from protein supplements was increased flatulence and a reduced wallet. I never found creatine to have any obvious benefit either. Eat healthy. Work hard. It's all you need.
What I said is common knowledge backed by loads of studies. But Dave from fab says otherwise so it must be wrong.
I know it's a horrible thought. But just possibly Dave from Fab studied it in greater depth than 'common knowledge'.
But yeah. Loads of studies.
Eat all the protein supplements you like. You're literally shitting your money down the toilet.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
👍👍👍 we were fat a few months ago and have been on a high protein diet for the past 4 months. I’ve lost 3 and a half stone and my husband has lost 5 stone. We are eating more now than we did when we were bigger. We do have the odd protein bar but that’s just to get the energy from the sugar and carbs before we hit the gym
Oh and great quads geordie jeans 😘
Thanks and you’re both looking great. More proof that high protein works.
Tried slimming world but their message is very unclear eg eat as much pasta/potato/rice as you want. Carbohydrates that store as fat if you don’t do enough exercise to burn it off
Although slimming world definitely works it probably isn’t ideal if you’re going to the gym regularly and trying to build muscle. "
Well you two look amazing and obviously know what you’re talking about. Some people must be getting their information from health magazines that are just trying to sell you a product |
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"Yeah but based on what? (As per original question which the other bloke never answered - cos common knowledge apparently)
And yeah, you don't need supplements. If you do, fix your diet. If you don't, you are indeed shitting them out.
Oh - Joebeans You're like famous on Fab
Why are you being so absolute and obtuse about this? If people find benefits in taking these supplements along with a well balanced diet (hence the name "supplement"), it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.
You can literally Google "studies on protein supplements in muscle growth" and find a number of results which I can't link as I think it goes against forum rules.
So all in all, let people do whatever the fuck they want if it helps them with their goals "
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"You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about."
Fair enough. Because spending doing extra squats would qualify me
I can't promise the researchers doing these studies had big thighs, so it's possible they're chatting shit too:
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload.
• Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period.
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.
• Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.
• Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or 0.91g/lb over a 3 month period.
Over 20 other studies have consistently failed to find any benefits of more than 1.6g/kg/d of protein. See e.g. here and here.
There's plenty more. All of it 'common knowledge' for those who bother to look beyond the marketing funded 'studies'.
I can't be arsed any more, because what's the point, and you're the expert, but in final answer to your original claims:
- The average man won't need 200g of protein to build muscle. If he thinks he does it's likely because he based his calculation on total body weight instead of lean body mass.
- You can get all the protein you need with a vegan diet. It isn't necessary to supplement.
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You’re arguing with people who clearly have more muscle mass than you about building muscle and trying to use anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Fair enough. Because spending doing extra squats would qualify me
I can't promise the researchers doing these studies had big thighs, so it's possible they're chatting shit too:
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload.
• Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period.
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.
• Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.
• Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or 0.91g/lb over a 3 month period.
Over 20 other studies have consistently failed to find any benefits of more than 1.6g/kg/d of protein. See e.g. here and here.
There's plenty more. All of it 'common knowledge' for those who bother to look beyond the marketing funded 'studies'.
I can't be arsed any more, because what's the point, and you're the expert, but in final answer to your original claims:
- The average man won't need 200g of protein to build muscle. If he thinks he does it's likely because he based his calculation on total body weight instead of lean body mass.
- You can get all the protein you need with a vegan diet. It isn't necessary to supplement.
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Can you read? I never once said you can’t. I said it would be extremely hard. You’d have to eat ridiculous amounts to hit protein targets without supplements. Can you now post all the studies that say creatine doesn’t work? |
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements."
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
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How much creatine is there in the meals you’ve just suggested? |
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
How much creatine is there in the meals you’ve just suggested?"
Also is an average man 30% body fat? |
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
What on earth are you putting in the oats and how many peanuts are you having to get that amount of protein? "
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
What on earth are you putting in the oats and how many peanuts are you having to get that amount of protein?
Well over 100g and probably 700 calories. Great advice "
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
What on earth are you putting in the oats and how many peanuts are you having to get that amount of protein?
Well over 100g and probably 700 calories. Great advice
Bet you can get a hell of a lot of creatine from there too 😂"
As I can’t post links I would suggest anyone wishing to follow this “advice” just use Google. It’s all there in black and white. Failing that head over to YouTube and watch videos by people that have actually built muscle and see what they do.
I wouldn’t tell an IFBB pro they don’t know how to build muscle for the same reason I wouldn’t tell Lionel Messi how to play football. |
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Copied the numbers from my meal plan as an example but maybe was supposed to be 30g of nuts, not 30g protein
Although I could easily eat 100g nuts in a day. After all nuts help you live longer.
24g isn't difficult for overnight oats. Soya milk, chia, almond pieces, raisins, linseed etc. Loads of options to do that. You can eat a lot of food with a vegan diet. One of the benefits to doing it.
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"I wouldn’t tell an IFBB pro they don’t know how to build muscle for the same reason I wouldn’t tell Lionel Messi how to play football."
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"I wouldn’t tell an IFBB pro they don’t know how to build muscle for the same reason I wouldn’t tell Lionel Messi how to play football.
Have I missed something. You're the Lionel Messi of muscle building?"
“Failing that head over to YouTube and watch videos by people that have actually built muscle and see what they do.”
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
What on earth are you putting in the oats and how many peanuts are you having to get that amount of protein? "
I am so confused… The maths ain’t mathin’ lol 🤔
‘Overnight oats’ - average 13g protein per serving
‘Peanuts’ 8g protein per average serving
‘Hummus sandwich’ Even a generous 100g portion hummus only contains contains 8g protein
‘Lentil soup’ - Average 3.7g protein per portion
Total of 32.7g of protein in the meals suggested…
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"If you’re wanting to build a decent amount of muscle then probably not. An average man would need between 150g-200g of protein a day to follow a typical muscle building programme. It would be extremely hard to get that from a vegan diet without supplements.
Average bloke in UK 180cm/84kg (though I'm thinking that weight may be dubious!) but even so. Lean body mass 63kg. Even if you multiple that by 2.2g it comes in at under 140g. Most blokes don't even need that especially when starting out and that's putting aside that this topic was started by a woman.
Overnight oats 24g
peanuts 30g
hummus sandwich 15g
lentil soup 30g
Add some bread to your soup, sprinkle a few seeds, some chia, nutritional yeast. A few more nuts if you're really bothered. Pretty sure most could cope with eating that in a day.
Of course creatine 'works', just as protein works. The argument was whether it's necessary to supplement them. You can get adequate creatine through your diet and from pretty much all the same sources as you get your protein.
What on earth are you putting in the oats and how many peanuts are you having to get that amount of protein?
I am so confused… The maths ain’t mathin’ lol 🤔
‘Overnight oats’ - average 13g protein per serving
‘Peanuts’ 8g protein per average serving
‘Hummus sandwich’ Even a generous 100g portion hummus only contains contains 8g protein
‘Lentil soup’ - Average 3.7g protein per portion
Total of 32.7g of protein in the meals suggested…
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"I wouldn’t tell an IFBB pro they don’t know how to build muscle for the same reason I wouldn’t tell Lionel Messi how to play football.
Have I missed something. You're the Lionel Messi of muscle building?
“Failing that head over to YouTube and watch videos by people that have actually built muscle and see what they do.”
You’re embarrassing yourself now."
It's like arguing with an infant. Youtube has plenty of videos on 'how much protein do we really need'. The Zoe project has a very in-depth video on it including how RDAs were calculated.
You continue to misunderstand the lean body mass calculation for protein needs.
But having realised I'm taking on the Messi of muscle building, I'll rest my case. |
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Have I missed something. You're the Lionel Messi of muscle building?
“Failing that head over to YouTube and watch videos by people that have actually built muscle and see what they do.”
You’re embarrassing yourself now.
It's like arguing with an infant. Youtube has plenty of videos on 'how much protein do we really need'. The Zoe project has a very in-depth video on it including how RDAs were calculated.
You continue to misunderstand the lean body mass calculation for protein needs.
But having realised I'm taking on the Messi of muscle building, I'll rest my case."
The things I know about protein and creatine have been put into practice by millions of people with results to show from it, including my own. Everyone who is disagreeing with you has clearly put this into practice too but we all must be wrong. I’m done. Have a nice day |
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Let them battle it out 🤔🤔🤣🙈🤭"
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