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Is 15min cities a good idea?
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By *hagTonight OP Man 6 weeks ago
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I would say that it could work, if it is like how we want it too, there are both pros and cons of it.
Let me explain the good thing first, the good thing is that you have everything nearby and you dont need to travel far distances to get there, within a walking distance, you have the school nearby, the supermarket, the post office, the train station to name few things, we kind of already have it dont we, with many things that are close by, some countries still have this model, like france, austrailia, spain and china, isnt it how it also how it used to be in the country side and still are?
When it isnt good is if there is a sinister thought behind like if there is checks that need to made like, you have to scan with a card every time you go out of the city or you have to be back before a certain time, it could be a threat to our freedom as we would be constantly monitored and controlled.
What is your view about it, would it be a good idea and do you agree with the examples above?  |
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You probably have 15min city in the likes of London- everything closeby.
It doesn’t work elsewhere though! The trouble is these think tanks are all based in central London and have the same mindset- few travel around the country |
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It won’t work with industry. Multiple quotes from all over the country and they invariably go for the cheapest irrespective of where they are based so the staff/contractors will always be travelling to where the next job is. |
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15 minute cities is how places used to be designed. I think planning in the last thirty years has changed the idea. Expanding towns/cities with very few amenities has created a more American society that is dependant on car usage. |
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"This used to be a thing. It was called a community.
I grew up in an area of an inner city where it had its own pub, own shops, a surgery, green spaces "
Exactly - a lot of them were called 'villages'
Incredible concept |
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I'm equal part Londoner and Brightonian.
I view London as a "2 hour" city.
All of human life is there, but you can spend a couple of hours travelling getting between it all.
Brighton and Hove have almost as much variety, generally within 15, maybe 20 minutes.
And you get the sea one end, the Downs the other, for natural beauty.
Hyde Park etc in London are great, but London feels a little "hem you in for the sake of the city" whereas B and H feel more "hem the city in for the sake of you".
So I like smaller cities a lot, done in certain ways. |
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Singapore thrives on this concept, although it’s more akin to an hour than fifteen mins; however such concepts are expensive and have to attract the most wealthy.
In effect, this is the concept behind NEOM and ‘The Line’ specifically in Saudi.
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It's a good target to potentially make life easier and healthier . It's sadly been hijacked by the extreme right especially, to denote citizen control
We must reduce our use of oil and reduced driving levels is a key route for this, which 15 minute cities can help with. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 6 weeks ago
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"This used to be a thing. It was called a community.
I grew up in an area of an inner city where it had its own pub, own shops, a surgery, green spaces "
Yes. I also grew up in such an area, where everything was nearby too  |
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"When it isnt good is if there is a sinister thought behind like if there is checks that need to made like, you have to scan with a card every time you go out of the city or you have to be back before a certain time, it could be a threat to our freedom as we would be constantly monitored and controlled."
^ This part is 100% made-up nonsense. A dystopian fantasy that nobody has proposed. A conspiracy theory thrown around online by people who are afraid of something they don’t understand.
‘15-minute neighbourhoods’ are just good town planning. Something that fell out of favour in the ’80s and ’90s as our governments tried to push retail development and car travel as drivers of the economy over and above everything else. All based on the capitalist fever dream of everlasting growth magically trickling down and providing for everybody in our society. |
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So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas |
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas"
Hasn't that been scaled back now? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 6 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"You probably have 15min city in the likes of London- everything closeby.
It doesn’t work elsewhere though! The trouble is these think tanks are all based in central London and have the same mindset- few travel around the country "
Yes, london already have it. I think that some villages also have it too |
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By *ty31Man 6 weeks ago
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I think I effectively live in one now and it's really good having all your amenities (gym, shops, cinema, restaurants etc) within walking distance.
Obviously it won't work everywhere and obviously there shouldn't be any sort of penalty or attempt to dissuade people and from roving beyond the 15 minutes zone!
I just think that new housing developments should be planned better to incorporate essential facilities within that 15 minutes zone, it would probably help with traffic congestion and community building etc. |
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By *dqsyMan 6 weeks ago
Mappawell |
Not at all sure a 15 min community is a good thing.
It sounds good until you put a human in the mix. I live in a dormitory town e.g. half way between leeds and sheffield.
It was half the price in terms of houses and there are very few well paying jobs within 20 mins outside of local government or NHS etc.
But also the employers know if folk don't commute they can get away with deliberately trying to pay less, where as a 35 min commute will bring you in an extra 20% for the same role. (well in my field) |
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I'm a big fan of the concept.
I was talking about a similar concept the other day on another thread. Mega City One had "Blocks", some with 200,000 or so people in them. A Block was in essence a absolutely enormous sky scraper. Everything was in The Block. Industry, Retail, Leisure, Habitation, the works. Even parks. Completely self contained and supporting. You could in theory be born, grow up, work, have kids, and retire then die within your own Block, and never need to step outside your entire life. And why would you ? The next Block with 200,000 people was spitting distance from you, and they had exactly the same as you. No one needed cars...completely pointless. All travel was integrated in to The Block. |
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By *bi HaiveMan 6 weeks ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"I am a free soul, I don’t want anyone to tell me what to do, where to go, what shop to use, etc. "
But nobody is.
Aside from the conspiracy theorists. It's not about restricting people, but providing required services at a local level, rather than you needed to make pointless and unnecessary journeys to meet day to day needs.
The notion of local communities isn't exactly new. Most cities and large towns wouldn't see that much change.
Round here? It takes me half an hour to get to the nearest decent sized supermarket. Not everywhere is suitable for the concept, especially in remote areas. |
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"The sooner not using a car for almost every journey is normalised, the better  "
Start by banning taking kids to school by car- unless you live a couple of miles away...should significantly reduce traffic, travel times and emissions, as clearly demonstrated during commute times in any school holiday. |
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"The sooner not using a car for almost every journey is normalised, the better
Start by banning taking kids to school by car- unless you live a couple of miles away...should significantly reduce traffic, travel times and emissions, as clearly demonstrated during commute times in any school holiday."
And disabled parents and children too? If you'd be so kind. Completely impractical to do anything other than drive my child to school, even it was closer. |
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas
Hasn't that been scaled back now? "
Quite significantly, yes. |
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By *8on33Man 6 weeks ago
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"I would say that it could work, if it is like how we want it too, there are both pros and cons of it.
Let me explain the good thing first, the good thing is that you have everything nearby and you dont need to travel far distances to get there, within a walking distance, you have the school nearby, the supermarket, the post office, the train station to name few things, we kind of already have it dont we, with many things that are close by, some countries still have this model, like france, austrailia, spain and china, isnt it how it also how it used to be in the country side and still are?
When it isnt good is if there is a sinister thought behind like if there is checks that need to made like, you have to scan with a card every time you go out of the city or you have to be back before a certain time, it could be a threat to our freedom as we would be constantly monitored and controlled.
What is your view about it, would it be a good idea and do you agree with the examples above? "
Freedom is paramount to me so it would never work . |
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You can plan towns but you can’t plan communities.
Having more infrastructure within 15 mins would be great and would reduce traffic etc. But so many people commute to work that they’d barely be in their home area to use the shops etc. There’s a push to get back to the office now too in bigger businesses. |
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"I am a free soul, I don’t want anyone to tell me what to do, where to go, what shop to use, etc. "
Good job that no-one is proposing to do so then. 15 minute Cities are just about having amenities near to you - this idea that you won't be allowed to go elsewhere is just a conspiracy theory. |
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Every time anyone tries to discuss improving anything, it's really a conspiracy to control everyone. Think about it. What's a wheelchair ramp but a way of forcing a wheelchair user to use a certain route? What's free contraception but a way of forcing us not to procreate?
Gotta be one step ahead 🙂↕️ |
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"Every time anyone tries to discuss improving anything, it's really a conspiracy to control everyone. Think about it. What's a wheelchair ramp but a way of forcing a wheelchair user to use a certain route? What's free contraception but a way of forcing us not to procreate?
Gotta be one step ahead 🙂↕️"
Can't be any steps ahead, as a wheelchair user 
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By (user no longer on site) 6 weeks ago
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In principle a good thing.
Was chatting about how much fatter we are as a population today compared to when kids and although junk food gets most of the rap it has to be a factor that people drive everywhere, even the smallest of distances.
Cars are a plague. Anything that reduces our dependence on them is a good thing. |
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"I would say that it could work, if it is like how we want it too, there are both pros and cons of it.
Let me explain the good thing first, the good thing is that you have everything nearby and you dont need to travel far distances to get there, within a walking distance, you have the school nearby, the supermarket, the post office, the train station to name few things, we kind of already have it dont we, with many things that are close by, some countries still have this model, like france, austrailia, spain and china, isnt it how it also how it used to be in the country side and still are?
When it isnt good is if there is a sinister thought behind like if there is checks that need to made like, you have to scan with a card every time you go out of the city or you have to be back before a certain time, it could be a threat to our freedom as we would be constantly monitored and controlled.
What is your view about it, would it be a good idea and do you agree with the examples above? "
I lived in the centre of a city didn't need a car. Could walk to pubs and clubs, train to work. Most of the time it was great and saved me money. Sadly moved now. |
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas
Hasn't that been scaled back now? "
So they recently broke the silence on this and confirmed not , a long term unprecedented project of modular design
Still recruiting very large numbers globally for this and the moneys still being spent at a phenomenal rate |
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By *r X46Man 6 weeks ago
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas
Hasn't that been scaled back now?
So they recently broke the silence on this and confirmed not , a long term unprecedented project of modular design
Still recruiting very large numbers globally for this and the moneys still being spent at a phenomenal rate "
NEOM was supposed to be a $500 billion project. Its sounds a lot but considering a single bridge over the mersey cost £600 million, $500 billion is not going to buy a lot. |
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas
Hasn't that been scaled back now?
So they recently broke the silence on this and confirmed not , a long term unprecedented project of modular design
Still recruiting very large numbers globally for this and the moneys still being spent at a phenomenal rate "
Yeah, we have some involvement with the education side of it. Can't say much more really. It's definitely been scaled back from the original idea. |
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"So the work being done on NEOM/the line looks good , the city is totally carbon free & a Metro down the full 150 mile length , I think the city has a few hundred metres wide so there is no need for cars or any other type of transport everything is solar powered.
I think these are definitely the cities of the future for desert areas I’m not sure what they look like in existing urban areas
Hasn't that been scaled back now?
So they recently broke the silence on this and confirmed not , a long term unprecedented project of modular design
Still recruiting very large numbers globally for this and the moneys still being spent at a phenomenal rate "
It's an interesting concept that is so challenging to what we expect a city to be like. I'm uncertain I'd like to live that way and also how much pollution its construction could entail. But I'm not its target type of resident. |
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"Every time anyone tries to discuss improving anything, it's really a conspiracy to control everyone. Think about it. What's a wheelchair ramp but a way of forcing a wheelchair user to use a certain route? What's free contraception but a way of forcing us not to procreate?
Gotta be one step ahead 🙂↕️
Can't be any steps ahead, as a wheelchair user
♿💪🏻"
You just need a revolution 😎 |
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