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In the news today
Sharing revenge porn will be upgraded to the most serious type of offence in a change to the Online Safety Act.
It means social media firms must proactively remove such images and take steps to stop them appearing in the first place.
There will large fines for companies that don't comply.
The government hopes the change, due to come into force in the spring, will drive development of existing and new technologies, such as AI, to help crack down on harmful material.
For all those that have pictures with others on on here, singles and couples accounts where it’s not just the couple in them does this now mean they will be removed or no longer approved by admin as they cannot prove consent to all those in them
How would you feel if you came across photos of you on someone else’s profile that you did not give permission to |
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"How is revenged porn distinguished from amateur?
Revenge porn refers to images used to cause distress or alarm ie not published with consent "
Yeah, I get that but how will the AI or any person(s) reviewing the video(s) know it's revenge porn and not amateur porn uploaded with consent? |
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"How is revenged porn distinguished from amateur?
Revenge porn refers to images used to cause distress or alarm ie not published with consent
Yeah, I get that but how will the AI or any person(s) reviewing the video(s) know it's revenge porn and not amateur porn uploaded with consent?"
Good point! AI is going to get so good it’ll be impossible to tell real from AI. It’s worrying. |
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By *agic.MMan 9 weeks ago
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"How is revenged porn distinguished from amateur?
Revenge porn refers to images used to cause distress or alarm ie not published with consent
Yeah, I get that but how will the AI or any person(s) reviewing the video(s) know it's revenge porn and not amateur porn uploaded with consent?"
Certain platforms/sites require written consent (such as consent forms and ID'S from both/all parties involved). Other sites/platforms requires you to tag the person you collaborate with (so you can only post vids/images who are on that platform). |
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"Imo unless the profile is a couple, photos pics and video should not have the other person in them. "
Seriously? All the pictures of me with other people in them were taken by their husband with consent of everyone there. These pictures also appear in their profiles. Your suggestion would result in the situation where they can show pictures of me (because they are a couple) but I couldn’t do likewise. |
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"Imo unless the profile is a couple, photos pics and video should not have the other person in them.
Seriously? All the pictures of me with other people in them were taken by their husband with consent of everyone there. These pictures also appear in their profiles. Your suggestion would result in the situation where they can show pictures of me (because they are a couple) but I couldn’t do likewise."
Personally I don’t think any profiles should be allowed to share any pics other than themselves. Fab is a contact site not a faux porn site without all the correct model release / compliance forms in place.
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By *agic.MMan 9 weeks ago
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"Imo unless the profile is a couple, photos pics and video should not have the other person in them.
Seriously? All the pictures of me with other people in them were taken by their husband with consent of everyone there. These pictures also appear in their profiles. Your suggestion would result in the situation where they can show pictures of me (because they are a couple) but I couldn’t do likewise."
If the pictures only show the wife and you in them, and your face is not shown, yes they could pretend it's just them (the couple) in the pictures...and as your face is not shown, there's no way you can prove it's you (unless there is a recognisable mark/tatto on your body on display in the pic). |
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"Imo unless the profile is a couple, photos pics and video should not have the other person in them.
Seriously? All the pictures of me with other people in them were taken by their husband with consent of everyone there. These pictures also appear in their profiles. Your suggestion would result in the situation where they can show pictures of me (because they are a couple) but I couldn’t do likewise."
I don’t think that is what they meant,
I think they were saying it should only be the other half of a couple in photos and if you don’t have a couples profile you shouldn’t be posting photos of others.
I’m not making a comment on whether this is how it should be just my interpretation of what they meant
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"Imo unless the profile is a couple, photos pics and video should not have the other person in them.
Seriously? All the pictures of me with other people in them were taken by their husband with consent of everyone there. These pictures also appear in their profiles. Your suggestion would result in the situation where they can show pictures of me (because they are a couple) but I couldn’t do likewise."
It’s only my opinion and of course there will be varying circumstances. What I’m referring to is just the pics where a single person has photos which are mostly someone else and consent maybe (at best) a grey area. That’s the scenario where problems are going to occur in my view. But you flag a very good point and I I can see my original post might be a bit dogmatic  |
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The site rules are straightforward
If you are a single - you must be in the picture and anyone else that appears must have their face blurred so they cannot be identified
If you are a couple- either or both of you must be in the picture and anyone else must be unidentifiable
It’s not hard |
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"In the news today
Sharing revenge porn will be upgraded to the most serious type of offence in a change to the Online Safety Act.
It means social media firms must proactively remove such images and take steps to stop them appearing in the first place.
There will large fines for companies that don't comply.
The government hopes the change, due to come into force in the spring, will drive development of existing and new technologies, such as AI, to help crack down on harmful material.
For all those that have pictures with others on on here, singles and couples accounts where it’s not just the couple in them does this now mean they will be removed or no longer approved by admin as they cannot prove consent to all those in them
How would you feel if you came across photos of you on someone else’s profile that you did not give permission to "
The photo rules on fab are already that the only faces or recognisable marks (tattoos or whatever) allowed in your photos must be your own. You can put out whatever pictures of yourself you like, within limits of legality, and they can include limbs and bodies of other people indulging in sex acts with you*. The moment it's possible to identify those people, the photo is not allowed.
This is totally different to revenge photos, where the whole point is to identify the other person against their will.
* It is still polite to ask permission of the other persons before showing any bit of their bodies in your own photos, but if it is actually impossible to identify those persons from the photos then there can be no complaint. Note however that "identifying marks" could also include the decor and furnishings in the background of the photo, show off your own unique and recognisable living room if you want, but not anybody elses. |
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"The site rules are straightforward
If you are a single - you must be in the picture and anyone else that appears must have their face blurred so they cannot be identified
If you are a couple- either or both of you must be in the picture and anyone else must be unidentifiable
It’s not hard "
But in these cases the law supersedes the site rules. How do we know that consent was given for the picture? |
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"In the news today
Sharing revenge porn will be upgraded to the most serious type of offence in a change to the Online Safety Act.
It means social media firms must proactively remove such images and take steps to stop them appearing in the first place.
There will large fines for companies that don't comply.
The government hopes the change, due to come into force in the spring, will drive development of existing and new technologies, such as AI, to help crack down on harmful material.
For all those that have pictures with others on on here, singles and couples accounts where it’s not just the couple in them does this now mean they will be removed or no longer approved by admin as they cannot prove consent to all those in them
How would you feel if you came across photos of you on someone else’s profile that you did not give permission to
The photo rules on fab are already that the only faces or recognisable marks (tattoos or whatever) allowed in your photos must be your own. You can put out whatever pictures of yourself you like, within limits of legality, and they can include limbs and bodies of other people indulging in sex acts with you*. The moment it's possible to identify those people, the photo is not allowed.
This is totally different to revenge photos, where the whole point is to identify the other person against their will.
* It is still polite to ask permission of the other persons before showing any bit of their bodies in your own photos, but if it is actually impossible to identify those persons from the photos then there can be no complaint. Note however that "identifying marks" could also include the decor and furnishings in the background of the photo, show off your own unique and recognisable living room if you want, but not anybody elses."
What Polly said ⬆️ 👍🏼 |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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This is being done so that sites like this and forums die out, and the only sites that will be the major players who give huge donations to political parties and politicians. They always say it's for your safety, but really it's about lining theirs and their friends pockets. |
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By *bi HaiveMan 9 weeks ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
The rules are actually in the site T's & C's.
"10.12 You must not send or publish Content depicting anyone else unless you first:
a) ensure they are aware of your Fabswingers username and that they give you their specific written and signed consent to being included in the Content as well as to that Content being shown publicly on Fabswingers and potentially downloaded by other Users; and
b) verify that they are adults 18+ by getting and keeping a copy of their age ID.
You agree to carefully store their signed consent and age ID documents and that you will provide these immediately if we ask for them."
So it's there in black and white.
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"Good
Maybe some fab guys will finally stop and think before offering to swap pics of their wife or some other unsuspecting woman "
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This, I hate all those posts where men are offering their unsuspecting wives pics /underwear out etc.
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By *bi HaiveMan 9 weeks ago
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"Good
Maybe some fab guys will finally stop and think before offering to swap pics of their wife or some other unsuspecting woman .
This, I hate all those posts where men are offering their unsuspecting wives pics /underwear out etc.
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They don't last long these days. 😉 |
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"The rules are actually in the site T's & C's.
"10.12 You must not send or publish Content depicting anyone else unless you first:
a) ensure they are aware of your Fabswingers username and that they give you their specific written and signed consent to being included in the Content as well as to that Content being shown publicly on Fabswingers and potentially downloaded by other Users; and
b) verify that they are adults 18+ by getting and keeping a copy of their age ID.
You agree to carefully store their signed consent and age ID documents and that you will provide these immediately if we ask for them."
So it's there in black and white.
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I guess it's this part that would change how that works:
"It means social media firms must proactively remove such images and take steps to stop them appearing in the first place."
Emphasis on the 'proactively'. |
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I'm interested to see if the Fab gets out in front of this.
In terms of active users fab isn't even a blip on the radar compared to the big porn sites and long may that continue.
Porn hub did have to remove most of their content and when they got sued. |
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As long as that person hadn't photographed me covertly and I hadn't expressively said not to share it with anyone, I wouldn't mind.
If that person wanted me to sign a document and hold my private information like my ID then no. |
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By *bi HaiveMan 9 weeks ago
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"I've always said single accounts shouldn't be allowed to show other people as you don't know if the account holder has permission to use such pics but I doubt anything will be done to stop them."
You'd have to apply the same rule to couples. And also ensure that it's actually the couple and not just one half and someone else. 🤷♂️ |
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"I've always said single accounts shouldn't be allowed to show other people as you don't know if the account holder has permission to use such pics but I doubt anything will be done to stop them.
You'd have to apply the same rule to couples. And also ensure that it's actually the couple and not just one half and someone else. 🤷♂️"
If a photo mod wasn't sure it was actually the couple then they could reject it. |
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"I've always said single accounts shouldn't be allowed to show other people as you don't know if the account holder has permission to use such pics but I doubt anything will be done to stop them."
Why should couple accs be allowed to show other people though? |
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By *bi HaiveMan 9 weeks ago
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"I've always said single accounts shouldn't be allowed to show other people as you don't know if the account holder has permission to use such pics but I doubt anything will be done to stop them.
You'd have to apply the same rule to couples. And also ensure that it's actually the couple and not just one half and someone else. 🤷♂️
If a photo mod wasn't sure it was actually the couple then they could reject it."
I imagine that would be hard given the close up nature of some photos. 🤷♂️ |
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"I've always said single accounts shouldn't be allowed to show other people as you don't know if the account holder has permission to use such pics but I doubt anything will be done to stop them.
Why should couple accs be allowed to show other people though? "
I never said they should be allowed, I said on another post that unless it can be proven that it is the couple in the pic then it should be rejected. |
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The rules are all very well but it just took me less than ten seconds to find a photo of a single guys profile with multiple faces of others with visible tattoos on his profile.
Just set New Photos to men and have a scroll. These aren't outliers. It's every day stuff.
Not having a go at the mods here. I'm well aware that they are volunteering and there's only so much a person can do. |
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Been watching this closely for a while.
Firstly the term "Revenge Porn" is now outdated for what this has morphed into. Yes, its origin was people sending explicit pictures of others without their permission. And we all agree that is wrong and should not happen. So that was fine at the time. But things have been added to make that term inadequate.
But the, dare I say worrying part, when tied in to the Online Safety Bill is the onus on platforms to remove such pictures or face huge fines. In other words its like fining the Post Office as someone sent something in a letter with a 1st class stamp on it. Its going to be exceptionally hard for them to comply.
This means such as Fab has to comply too. How do they do it though? Its a nigh on, barring banning ALL pictures that show faces (or even unique tattoos even), an impossible task.
It is typical of many Government legislations. They are introduced we can say with good intentions: They address a specific problem. But as with life there is always that "grey area" with other sections of life on the cusp of the original intention, and Fab and the like will inevitably caught up in this.
The other point worth mentioning is for this to enact there has to be a victim. The person in the illicit pic has to report it. |
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By *AM2214Man 9 weeks ago
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"Interesting, when I have commented on men sharing photo's of women including wives and girlfriends I've had abusive messages. Ms"
nobody should be sharing without express permission ...the actual proposals in the Online Safety Bill don't appear to distinguish between consent etc ...it's the uploading and sharing of images, wording deliberately chosen t give prosecuting side more chance of securing convictions when appropriar to pursue a case...
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By *AM2214Man 9 weeks ago
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"Been watching this closely for a while.
Firstly the term "Revenge Porn" is now outdated for what this has morphed into. Yes, its origin was people sending explicit pictures of others without their permission. And we all agree that is wrong and should not happen. So that was fine at the time. But things have been added to make that term inadequate.
But the, dare I say worrying part, when tied in to the Online Safety Bill is the onus on platforms to remove such pictures or face huge fines. In other words its like fining the Post Office as someone sent something in a letter with a 1st class stamp on it. Its going to be exceptionally hard for them to comply.
This means such as Fab has to comply too. How do they do it though? Its a nigh on, barring banning ALL pictures that show faces (or even unique tattoos even), an impossible task.
It is typical of many Government legislations. They are introduced we can say with good intentions: They address a specific problem. But as with life there is always that "grey area" with other sections of life on the cusp of the original intention, and Fab and the like will inevitably caught up in this.
The other point worth mentioning is for this to enact there has to be a victim. The person in the illicit pic has to report it. "
Great post ...the way the Minister was explaining it, the offences will be committed when any uploading takes place the whole issue of harm or intent is removed as too many were able to argue levels of complicity/consent ... |
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"The site rules are straightforward
If you are a single - you must be in the picture and anyone else that appears must have their face blurred so they cannot be identified
If you are a couple- either or both of you must be in the picture and anyone else must be unidentifiable
It’s not hard "
So why doesn’t the site enforce that rule? |
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It’s going to come down to facial recognition. If it’s just a body will be much harder
It’s also going to come down to firms having to confirm who we are by photo ID comparison.
Then I guess upload something to here or wherever and you will be required to verify that the other person has consented and before it can be uploaded they will need to give that consent.
About time the tech industry was made accountable, they take our data, they can sell companies our information whether that be wealth, interests, habits etc. it is only right they offer some protection on the other side. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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People can be recognised by more ways than just their face. On a previous profile we had to remove several photos after discovering one of the people who'd fabbed our photos was our next door neighbour. We were very careful after that not to show anything that might be recognisable in the backgrounds etc. etc. Of course we blocked their profile and it's never been mentioned  
Anonymity on sites like this is going to be increasingly difficult but then again less and less people seem to be bothered. Years ago it was a surprise to see face pictures on any profiles, now it seems normal.
There's also been an increase in 'professional' profiles - those who are here to promote their other forms of online presence and I imagine many of them will have fairly detailed records of consent etc. etc. |
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I am sure the “owners” have expressed to the admin who verify all the photos uploaded to this site what is now required of them because my understanding is the admin on here do not get paid but are volunteers and I am sure I would not want the responsibility of allowing a photo on here that is against this law |
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"People can be recognised by more ways than just their face. "
Of course they can, but I think that would be much harder for internet companies to police. How are you going to verify that it’s x or y in the video, and that they give consent if the body in pic/vid doesn’t have a face. |
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"People can be recognised by more ways than just their face.
Of course they can, but I think that would be much harder for internet companies to police. How are you going to verify that it’s x or y in the video, and that they give consent if the body in pic/vid doesn’t have a face. "
I won't.
A lawyer however, may. |
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This means such as Fab has to comply too. How do they do it though? Its a nigh on, barring banning ALL pictures that show faces (or even unique tattoos even), an impossible task.
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It's actually not too difficult for fab. All photos have to be checked by mods already as part of the process of uploading them to your profile. The mods will have your original verification photo available when they check your new photos, if there's a face that's not the one from your veri pic, then they'll just refuse your new picture. If there's a tattoo or other easily identifiable marking that's not attached to the body that's got your face, they'll refuse the picture. If there's anything in the background of the picture that seems it might identify someone other than yourself, they'll refuse your picture. And I would imagine that every time you try to upload an obviously dodgy picture, they could easily have a counter against your profile, if you make a habit of it every new picture could be scrutinised more carefully. Too many strikes and you'll be out... |
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This means such as Fab has to comply too. How do they do it though? Its a nigh on, barring banning ALL pictures that show faces (or even unique tattoos even), an impossible task.
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It's actually not too difficult for fab. All photos have to be checked by mods already as part of the process of uploading them to your profile. The mods will have your original verification photo available when they check your new photos, if there's a face that's not the one from your veri pic, then they'll just refuse your new picture. If there's a tattoo or other easily identifiable marking that's not attached to the body that's got your face, they'll refuse the picture. If there's anything in the background of the picture that seems it might identify someone other than yourself, they'll refuse your picture. And I would imagine that every time you try to upload an obviously dodgy picture, they could easily have a counter against your profile, if you make a habit of it every new picture could be scrutinised more carefully. Too many strikes and you'll be out..."
That is assuming that verification on joining is made compulsory and right now I don’t think it is |
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