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By *vaRose43Woman 11 weeks ago
Forest of Dean |
Numbers and websites here for help if anyone is contemplating right now… covers a huge international range
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
There are of course other websites, agencies and helplines for the uk than those mentioned here but this is a succinct easy list for fabs international membership |
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I lost my mother to suicide. She was in a lot of pain. I pray for her daily. I understand she wanted the physical pain to stop. I pray for anyone going through this. May you always find the light in the darkness.  |
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This is a tough day, sometimes the white noise just becomes too loud for some people and just needs to be switched off 😕
Be kind to people you never know what they are going through on the inside, a simple smile or hello can change someone's life at the point you interact with them |
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By *osco78Man 11 weeks ago
Sheffield |
I lost one of my best friends a few years back , I know why he did it and I've never judged him , but god I wish he could have spoken up, he was and is soo loved and it still doesn't feel real , every time I hear a blur song I think about him, I still call him a nob on his Facebook from time to time too.
And then a few years later I found myself having thoughts , thankfully I got help..but it's so easy for it to happen to you.... |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution. "
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion. |
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By *opinovMan 11 weeks ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion. "
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times. |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times."
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind. |
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"Reaching out and talking is the hardest thing to do. From my own experiences it’s also the most rewarding and makes you realise how normal it is.
You are never alone "
Unless the person you reached to slammed the door shut in your face. Then you are totally alone.
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Wether it’s a someone you know or a professional there is always help out there.
Despite the outcome, the fact you reached out in the first place is a huge step.
Don’t let their reaction define yours.
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I’ve just been through a bad flare up of PTSD. Came so close to it. Again.
Not wishing I hadn’t done it yet, but hopefully the relief will come soon.
Wishing everyone that’s struggling some positive thoughts. |
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I think one of the main contributing factors, is that it is such a social taboo to talk about suicide.
People not being able to talk about their feelings, because of how others react at such a time, can be deeply isolating, lead to shame and inhibit people from seeking support.
When I hear people say it's a cowardly act, I think: well maybe if we had more empathy there would be better support, maybe even a society that was more geared to meeting human needs, as a priority. Perhaps, then people wouldn't reach such depths of despair and desperation, so often.
The greatest sadness for me, is not just that someone ended their life, it's that they likely suffered in silence and battled with it.
It's an anniversary of someone dearly departed for me tomorrow. A person who battled with suicide many times in their life. Who recovered and then died from an aneurysm, anyway. There one day; gone the next. She was filled with joy and lust for life, but when the darkness took hold of her, it was abyssal.
People should not suffer alone, unnecessarily, or for the convenience of other people's beliefs. |
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"Wether it’s a someone you know or a professional there is always help out there.
Despite the outcome, the fact you reached out in the first place is a huge step.
Don’t let their reaction define yours.
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I'm sorry, but that's just not true. There isn't the staffing or the funding in MH services to appropriately help people when they need it. I.e, BEFORE they get to the point of doing something.
I'm very grateful for the care I've received through MH services, but by God I had to fight for it. Last time I needed them, I had to wait 5 months before treatment was available. 5 months of almost constant suicide ideation. Do you know how exhausting that can be?
Fortunately, I've been well for a good couple of years now. I hope to never need that sort of help again, but given my history it is possible, and it scares me that I might have to wait that long again. |
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By *opinovMan 11 weeks ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind."
It's too easy to forget, but then sometimes the balance between the things that make it worth carrying on and the lack of those things is impossible to weigh without it resulting in a deficit, especially when that lacking only ever has the prospect of becoming deeper and deeper as time passes, and everything seems to rub one's face in it. The single solutions that would resolve it one way or another seem so simple: to find and join with that soul who matches and nourishes or say to hell with it - but one is impossible and the other is unthinkable. |
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"Wether it’s a someone you know or a professional there is always help out there.
Despite the outcome, the fact you reached out in the first place is a huge step.
Don’t let their reaction define yours.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. There isn't the staffing or the funding in MH services to appropriately help people when they need it. I.e, BEFORE they get to the point of doing something.
I'm very grateful for the care I've received through MH services, but by God I had to fight for it. Last time I needed them, I had to wait 5 months before treatment was available. 5 months of almost constant suicide ideation. Do you know how exhausting that can be?
Fortunately, I've been well for a good couple of years now. I hope to never need that sort of help again, but given my history it is possible, and it scares me that I might have to wait that long again."
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By *idssissy OP TV/TS 11 weeks ago
Birmingham |
"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind."
Especially when you don't look ill and most people think everything is perfect with you or you are just making excuses |
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By *idssissy OP TV/TS 11 weeks ago
Birmingham |
"Wether it’s a someone you know or a professional there is always help out there.
Despite the outcome, the fact you reached out in the first place is a huge step.
Don’t let their reaction define yours.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. There isn't the staffing or the funding in MH services to appropriately help people when they need it. I.e, BEFORE they get to the point of doing something.
I'm very grateful for the care I've received through MH services, but by God I had to fight for it. Last time I needed them, I had to wait 5 months before treatment was available. 5 months of almost constant suicide ideation. Do you know how exhausting that can be?
Fortunately, I've been well for a good couple of years now. I hope to never need that sort of help again, but given my history it is possible, and it scares me that I might have to wait that long again."
Wouldn't wishy this on anyone. I live with passive suicidal thoughts daily and at the moment just hope they stay passive. |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind.
Especially when you don't look ill and most people think everything is perfect with you or you are just making excuses "
Ah yes. I'm also one of the "quiet and functional" suicidal types. During DBT there was a definite difference in how we were treated by MH services compared to those who were more vocal. It definitely feels like the level of care you recieve, how seriously you're taken, depends on how much your suffering impacts on others and not on the level of pain you're in. |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind.
Especially when you don't look ill and most people think everything is perfect with you or you are just making excuses
Ah yes. I'm also one of the "quiet and functional" suicidal types. During DBT there was a definite difference in how we were treated by MH services compared to those who were more vocal. It definitely feels like the level of care you recieve, how seriously you're taken, depends on how much your suffering impacts on others and not on the level of pain you're in. "
Reminds me very much of autism in that regard.
It's the usual body/mind duality - no one would ever do that if you were calmly seeking help for cancer or a broken leg. |
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Numbers and websites here for help if anyone is contemplating right now… covers a huge international range
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
There are of course other websites, agencies and helplines for the uk than those mentioned here but this is a succinct easy list for fabs international membership"
Thanks for this I have shared it elsewhere. |
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By *opinovMan 11 weeks ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind.
Especially when you don't look ill and most people think everything is perfect with you or you are just making excuses
Ah yes. I'm also one of the "quiet and functional" suicidal types. During DBT there was a definite difference in how we were treated by MH services compared to those who were more vocal. It definitely feels like the level of care you recieve, how seriously you're taken, depends on how much your suffering impacts on others and not on the level of pain you're in.
Reminds me very much of autism in that regard.
It's the usual body/mind duality - no one would ever do that if you were calmly seeking help for cancer or a broken leg."
For me, it seems very much connected with my autism. My inability to figure out how to approach people is central to the feeling of isolation which, amongst other things, feeds how I feel in general. Amongst those other things is that I'm a synesthesiac - my senses are a bit mixed up, which I feel is also connected to my autism. Feelings of being 'down' express themselves as a physical ache engulfing my hands and spreading up my arms - when I'm really down, it becomes a debilitating pain bursting from my fingers. There are others sides to it too, like tasting some shapes when I see them (eg spheres taste like metal) and orgasms are all kinds of geometric patterns and colours, but the overriding manifestation lately has been the ache. For all the supposed 'benefits' of creativity and the like, I fucking hate being autistic for all the heartbreak it's brought me and for all the prospect of nothing but more ahead. It's difficult to ignore and really stacks the balance of how I feel overall. |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind.
Especially when you don't look ill and most people think everything is perfect with you or you are just making excuses
Ah yes. I'm also one of the "quiet and functional" suicidal types. During DBT there was a definite difference in how we were treated by MH services compared to those who were more vocal. It definitely feels like the level of care you recieve, how seriously you're taken, depends on how much your suffering impacts on others and not on the level of pain you're in.
Reminds me very much of autism in that regard.
It's the usual body/mind duality - no one would ever do that if you were calmly seeking help for cancer or a broken leg.
For me, it seems very much connected with my autism. My inability to figure out how to approach people is central to the feeling of isolation which, amongst other things, feeds how I feel in general. Amongst those other things is that I'm a synesthesiac - my senses are a bit mixed up, which I feel is also connected to my autism. Feelings of being 'down' express themselves as a physical ache engulfing my hands and spreading up my arms - when I'm really down, it becomes a debilitating pain bursting from my fingers. There are others sides to it too, like tasting some shapes when I see them (eg spheres taste like metal) and orgasms are all kinds of geometric patterns and colours, but the overriding manifestation lately has been the ache. For all the supposed 'benefits' of creativity and the like, I fucking hate being autistic for all the heartbreak it's brought me and for all the prospect of nothing but more ahead. It's difficult to ignore and really stacks the balance of how I feel overall."
I hear that (fellow autistic here). |
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By *ujadeMan 4 weeks ago
North of the Wall |
I think there will always be a stigma about mental illness, suicide is the biggest killer of men under 50 (numbers may have changed since I last checked)
I can fully thank my medication for my better mental state, unfortunately my memory isn't great so can definitely tell if I haven't taken it for a few days |
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By *IXEN200Woman 4 weeks ago
newcastle upon tyne |
I've only ever made one promise in my life and that's been to my youngest daughter which was to never try to take my own life again but I still struggle at times as the thought never really leaves your head |
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"I've only ever made one promise in my life and that's been to my youngest daughter which was to never try to take my own life again but I still struggle at times as the thought never really leaves your head"
I have a similar promise with a friend though it sometimes gets harder to keep it.
Hugs to you and well done for keeping it |
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"Knowing the pain it can cause those left behind causes me guilt that I still consider it as a solution.
I get that. So much.
But it's not a rationally considered solution. It's desperation, anguish, exhaustion.
Yes. I sometimes wonder if that's why I'm still around - even if it does almost feel rational at times.
It feels so very rational at the time. Knowing that it's because you're ill can be extremely difficult to keep in mind."
I think that is part of the problem. It *is* a rational solution. Unless you hold irrational beliefs that there is some mysterious being that will get cross if you're naughty, there is no purpose to life and if you don't enjoy it then stopping the process that is causing you so much pain is the most rational thought out there.
I think society's failure to acknowledge this is part of the problem. What stops so many people is fear, guilt for others, not wanting to be seen a certain way etc and these tropes are what people play on when they talk to someone with suicidal ideation. Personally I believe acknowledgement of the rationality of the act is the first step in empathising with someone - then again, I'm told I'm not wired normally so who knows 
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