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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

Wellingborough

What would people, parents, teachers, employers or even the police think of you if they want back though your Tweeter, Facebook, Fab history? Should we learn a lesson from Paris Brown?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm my case not a lot. No twatter or facefuck account. My history here would probably have me in a straightjacket

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh god I dread to think .. ide be doomed

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"What would people, parents, teachers, employers or even the police think of you if they want back though your Tweeter, Facebook, "

They'd think i was a miserable bastard with a fascination for pictures of cats in fancy dress

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"What would people, parents, teachers, employers or even the police think of you if they want back though your Tweeter, Facebook, Fab history? Should we learn a lesson from Paris Brown?"

Don't use Twitter, Facebook is only used to contact actual friends I know in real life - many of whom live abroad. On here - it is my business and I am breaking no laws.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Deleted my Bookface account over a year ago and, apart from activating it, have never used my Twatter account.

The only thing I now have is a Linked-In account and I am VERY wary of what I put on there... or anywhere else on the internet which can be attributed to my name...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

that story is vile, only goes to show that the press are willing to try destroying lives and careers

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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

Wellingborough

I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures ..

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By *rumCoupleCouple  over a year ago

birmingham


"I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures .."

Facebook still keep all posts for closed accounts.

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By *renchbambi xWoman  over a year ago

Need to know basis

Just try and put your name in Google! You'll be surprised what results you get!

FB is for faraway friends and family. Never used Twitter and no desire to do so.

Paris Brown is just one more victim..regardless of people's _iews on what happened (am not starting that argument again). Everytime something like this happens there is a lesson to be learnt! The human race can be vile.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have no online presence apart from Fab. I have no interest in FB or Twatter

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple  over a year ago

wirral

I (mr) have no twitter and only a few family and proper (people I actually know) friends on facebook. If my workmates found out about my Fab life they would all think I was a stuffy bast**d. xxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures .."

you can't delete a Facebook account. Not easily anyway.

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By *rumCoupleCouple  over a year ago

birmingham


"I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures ..

you can't delete a Facebook account. Not easily anyway."

Even if you could, what about Googles cache ? And what about all the posts your friends have archived for you ?

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Not on Twitter and only joined Facebook to play Angry Birds.

From here, they would surmise that I am a total idiot

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

if it is in your T&C's that certain activity on social network sites may lead to disciplinary action.... so be it.

although, Paris was historic activity.

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By *iss_tressWoman  over a year ago

London


"What would people, parents, teachers, employers or even the police think of you if they want back though your Tweeter, Facebook, Fab history? Should we learn a lesson from Paris Brown?

Don't use Twitter, Facebook is only used to contact actual friends I know in real life - many of whom live abroad. On here - it is my business and I am breaking no laws."

^^^^^This!

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Amnesia - Chumbawamba

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Have to feel sorry for Paris.things taken out of context & written years ago.well some atleast.think your position or job,being in the public eye has alot to do with it.the journos are rats living off peoples trash.they can do what they like with mine,im a self employed window fitter.but then they wouldnt want mine hey

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By *reenonionsMan  over a year ago

Nr Exeter


"I'm my case not a lot. No twatter or facefuck account. My history here would probably have me in a straightjacket "

Word

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"that story is vile, only goes to show that the press are willing to try destroying lives and careers"

Not being argumentative but why shouldn't she be exposed for what she was. She was getting payed but was happy to break the law seems strange to me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures ..

you can't delete a Facebook account. Not easily anyway.

Even if you could, what about Googles cache ? And what about all the posts your friends have archived for you ?"

Or www.archive.org keeps all web pages even ones that were deleted , you can even specify what sate you want to look at a certain page

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"that story is vile, only goes to show that the press are willing to try destroying lives and careers

Not being argumentative but why shouldn't she be exposed for what she was. She was getting payed but was happy to break the law seems strange to me "

What law did she break? And all the tweets that The Mail felt that they had a public duty to expose happened before she was being paid

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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O o O oo

I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think we are only on the edge of a massive problem. I can see a mass of Twitter and Facebook account closures .."

Why are there going to be a mass of closures? And why is that a massive problem?

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay

A mass of closures on what is the widest used social forum in the world?....They have so many hundreds of Millions of users it won't even dent their membership numbers.

Have to agree with Crystal....Why on earth are we on the edge of a massive problem?.....have North Korea pushed the button?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not."

the daily mail talking about homophobia and racism..ffs rugby...they are the kettle calling something a colour

I read the twitters and thought..FFS!..thats the story...REALLY..thats the STORY?!?

clutching at straws u vile fucks...barely even grasping them in fact

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not."

I think anyone that pays attention to my posts knows that I have NEVER condoned condoned racism or homophobia. But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. They also, within the context of the post I was replying to, are far from illegal.

And in all honesty the tweets the Mail exposed were far less intolerent than many of their own _iews and it is clear what their true agenda was.

Maybe we should agree to disagree on this one as it went round in circles on the other thread.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. .."

That's exactly what I think they were.

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"push the button?"

Sugababes or an album by The Chemical Brothers

*courtesy of the useless information department*

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay


"push the button?

Sugababes or an album by The Chemical Brothers

*courtesy of the useless information department*"

I thank you....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were. "

. Unless you no the girl personally you don't know what they was fuelled by, its a poison chalice job anyway, mocked by teenagers an hounded by the press, them lot could dig up dirt on mother teresa!!

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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"I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not.

the daily mail talking about homophobia and racism..ffs rugby...they are the kettle calling something a colour

I read the twitters and thought..FFS!..thats the story...REALLY..thats the STORY?!?

clutching at straws u vile fucks...barely even grasping them in fact"

I didn't mention the mail at all.

I was commenting on the girls tweets that were all over the news, if they were true then they were awful coming out of anyones mouth.

I sure wouldn't have liked my kids speaking like that at 14....but then I think it depends on wether people think kids shouldn't be accountable for what they do or say because they were "young"

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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"I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not.

I think anyone that pays attention to my posts knows that I have NEVER condoned condoned racism or homophobia. But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. They also, within the context of the post I was replying to, are far from illegal.

And in all honesty the tweets the Mail exposed were far less intolerent than many of their own _iews and it is clear what their true agenda was.

Maybe we should agree to disagree on this one as it went round in circles on the other thread.

"

Ah ok, so if I disagree I need to keep quiet? Np

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were. "

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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I think people get so hung up on the media exposing things that they forget the real issue.....if there wasn't nything there to report, there would be no story.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were.

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?"

.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were.

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?"

I'd understand it as an immaturity thing and put her right on it. As I've done in the past.

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were.

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?

I'd understand it as an immaturity thing and put her right on it. As I've done in the past."

I would have been disgusted if it was one of mine and worried where her thoughts came from.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were.

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?

I'd understand it as an immaturity thing and put her right on it. As I've done in the past.

I would have been disgusted if it was one of mine and worried where her thoughts came from.

"

She's felt my wrath before. She's never been racist or homophobic and disapproves of it herself, but she's pretended to be d*unk before, telling her FB friends how she was 'hammered' on New Year's Eve. She forget where she was on NYE though, and that was up here with me, so I pointed out that her friends - and their parents - now think she has a dad who let's her get pissed. I made her post a retraction.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The thing that is really annoying me with the debacle over what Paris Brown did, or did not, say in her Tweets and Facebook pronouncements is that the one person who SHOULD be being grilled over this appears to be able to have all this fall away from her like s**t off a hot shiny shovel.

Ann Barnes, the Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent, advertised for a Young Persons Commissioner. If, as I understand it, she actively looked to recruit someone under 18, there was surely an inherent duty of care toward the successful candidate due to their age?

Barnes openly admits she did not even consider checking Paris' social networking accounts WHEN EVERYONE'S TEENAGE CHILDREN HAVE ONE and has been only too careful NOT to give inter_iews (unless it suits her) all week.

Okay, Paris may have been somewhat naive (some may stupid) in not realising this would come out, but - to me - what Ann Barnes has down in hanging her out to dry and washing her hands of any responsibility it just shameful. Yet SHE will hold on to her £85,000 a year job with impunity, it would seem?

If that was YOUR just-turned 17 yr old being treated like that, how would YOU feel?

To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The thing that is really annoying me with the debacle over what Paris Brown did, or did not, say in her Tweets and Facebook pronouncements is that the one person who SHOULD be being grilled over this appears to be able to have all this fall away from her like s**t off a hot shiny shovel.

Ann Barnes, the Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent, advertised for a Young Persons Commissioner. If, as I understand it, she actively looked to recruit someone under 18, there was surely an inherent duty of care toward the successful candidate due to their age?

Barnes openly admits she did not even consider checking Paris' social networking accounts WHEN EVERYONE'S TEENAGE CHILDREN HAVE ONE and has been only too careful NOT to give inter_iews (unless it suits her) all week.

Okay, Paris may have been somewhat naive (some may stupid) in not realising this would come out, but - to me - what Ann Barnes has down in hanging her out to dry and washing her hands of any responsibility it just shameful. Yet SHE will hold on to her £85,000 a year job with impunity, it would seem?

If that was YOUR just-turned 17 yr old being treated like that, how would YOU feel?

To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century.."

And if every employer wanted to check the social networking accounts of their employees at inter_iew?

Just a thought.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The thing that is really annoying me with the debacle over what Paris Brown did, or did not, say in her Tweets and Facebook pronouncements is that the one person who SHOULD be being grilled over this appears to be able to have all this fall away from her like s**t off a hot shiny shovel.

Ann Barnes, the Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent, advertised for a Young Persons Commissioner. If, as I understand it, she actively looked to recruit someone under 18, there was surely an inherent duty of care toward the successful candidate due to their age?

Barnes openly admits she did not even consider checking Paris' social networking accounts WHEN EVERYONE'S TEENAGE CHILDREN HAVE ONE and has been only too careful NOT to give inter_iews (unless it suits her) all week.

Okay, Paris may have been somewhat naive (some may stupid) in not realising this would come out, but - to me - what Ann Barnes has down in hanging her out to dry and washing her hands of any responsibility it just shameful. Yet SHE will hold on to her £85,000 a year job with impunity, it would seem?

If that was YOUR just-turned 17 yr old being treated like that, how would YOU feel?

To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century..

And if every employer wanted to check the social networking accounts of their employees at inter_iew?

Just a thought.....

"

Got news for you. They already do...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The thing that is really annoying me with the debacle over what Paris Brown did, or did not, say in her Tweets and Facebook pronouncements is that the one person who SHOULD be being grilled over this appears to be able to have all this fall away from her like s**t off a hot shiny shovel.

Ann Barnes, the Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent, advertised for a Young Persons Commissioner. If, as I understand it, she actively looked to recruit someone under 18, there was surely an inherent duty of care toward the successful candidate due to their age?

Barnes openly admits she did not even consider checking Paris' social networking accounts WHEN EVERYONE'S TEENAGE CHILDREN HAVE ONE and has been only too careful NOT to give inter_iews (unless it suits her) all week.

Okay, Paris may have been somewhat naive (some may stupid) in not realising this would come out, but - to me - what Ann Barnes has down in hanging her out to dry and washing her hands of any responsibility it just shameful. Yet SHE will hold on to her £85,000 a year job with impunity, it would seem?

If that was YOUR just-turned 17 yr old being treated like that, how would YOU feel?

To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century..

And if every employer wanted to check the social networking accounts of their employees at inter_iew?

Just a thought.....

Got news for you. They already do..."

Gosh. My last boss couldnt even work a computer.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century.."

That's the thing that is puzzling me about all of this: Where were/are Paris Brown's parents? Why have they been so silent? Why did they not ensure that Ann Barnes did all the background checks she should have done?

I think this lass' parents have not supported her as well as they could have.

Brown would have only held the job for a year anyway because as soon as she turned 18 she would have been too old for it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"that story is vile, only goes to show that the press are willing to try destroying lives and careers

Not being argumentative but why shouldn't she be exposed for what she was. She was getting payed but was happy to break the law seems strange to me

What law did she break? And all the tweets that The Mail felt that they had a public duty to expose happened before she was being paid"

Just the remarks she made about different groups is bad enough and possibly illegal under hate crimes also the drugs reference I would think she also tried the hash. And because she posted these remarks before she got paid that makes it ok ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The thing that irritates me about the whole thing is the holier than thou attitude of The Mail and some of the vitriol Directed at someone who said stupid things as a child. I'm sure all of us have never ever done anything stupid or that we'd be worried about being taken out of context and published in the national press (using the right amount of spin to create a bigger story). I personally never got d*unk or exaggerated or indeed did or said anything stupid when I was 16-17 because I was perfect. I suspect you were all the same

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
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"... But those tweets were, in my opinion, fuelled by stupidity and immaturity rather than hatred and malice. ..

That's exactly what I think they were.

But you don't know what fueled them.

So a question for you....if it was your daughter saying those things would you pass it off as a kids thing?

I'd understand it as an immaturity thing and put her right on it. As I've done in the past.

I would have been disgusted if it was one of mine and worried where her thoughts came from.

She's felt my wrath before. She's never been racist or homophobic and disapproves of it herself, but she's pretended to be d*unk before, telling her FB friends how she was 'hammered' on New Year's Eve. She forget where she was on NYE though, and that was up here with me, so I pointed out that her friends - and their parents - now think she has a dad who let's her get pissed. I made her post a retraction."

Yeah I remember you posting about that before now.

It obviously wasn't your daughter I was referring to, but what I am trying to get across is....every action we take has a consequence and this was hers and it came up and bit her on the arse.

Yes she was young when she made the first tweets, but the last one was 6 months ago and according to the comments about her she was a level headed articulate young woman so she would have known at least 6 months ago and no doubt 2 years ago that what she was writing was wrong...so to justify it because she was young in my book isn't right.

If we all did that to kids and said "there there, you are young so no harm done" then they would all probably end up on JK show years down the line.

I am almost certain hate crime is illegal which didn't bode well with the job she was being given.

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By *aucy3Couple  over a year ago

glasgow

People's attitude's and opinions change through time,two years is not enough time.

If anyone gains a position through false perceptions,why should their false perceptions,suddenly be acceptable due to their new position.

Don't say it,if you don't mean it....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can say whatever the hell I feel I should say but I have on great truth going for me... I'm not a bigot!

Paris is the only one need learn from her experience.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People's attitude's and opinions change through time,two years is not enough time.

If anyone gains a position through false perceptions,why should their false perceptions,suddenly be acceptable due to their new position.

Don't say it,if you don't mean it...."

A person is responsible for the words that fall out of their mouths, yes, I can identify with that. I still can't help feeling that Ann Barnes has washed her hands of this girl and left her there to bleed in the full glare the unforgiving media. Why hasn't she called a press conference and explained that she didn't do the necessary social media background checks and that she feels it unfair for the press to hound this girl over something she did a couple of years ago.

Children mature very quickly and I think we have all seen a youngster become a different person at 17 to what they were at 14.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think it raises a couple of issues:

1. There are inevitably going to be more examples of this - young people generally, really don't care about their online history - sexts, social media, films etc, etc. It's something society will have to adjust to somehow. Our future teachers, politicians etc. are going to have visible baggage.

2. The desire there's been to force responsibility upon young people. There will always be *some* young people that are exceptional and can handle responsibility at a young age - and they shouldn't be prevented from doing so. But the natural order of things is that people mature as they age. In the last 15 years or so there's been an unhealthy emphasis on 'youth participation' even when not necessary or appropriate - it's wrong for them, and wrong in general. It was clearly wrong in this case.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century..

That's the thing that is puzzling me about all of this: Where were/are Paris Brown's parents? Why have they been so silent? Why did they not ensure that Ann Barnes did all the background checks she should have done?

I think this lass' parents have not supported her as well as they could have.

Brown would have only held the job for a year anyway because as soon as she turned 18 she would have been too old for it."

Wishy, you're absolutely right. Not one 'significant adult' in this girls life has stepped up to the plate to defend her. Yes, she may well have made comments that all us 'oldies' (!!) KNOW are racist, homophobic, etc. She was 15-17 when she posted those comments. Surely it's OUR job as adults to educate her that such comments are not acceptable now that SHE is becoming a young adult? Far too many people seem to have an unrealistic expectation that a 17yr old should suddenly appear in the limelight as a fully formed, fully aware adult beyond their years.

As me Granny (and everyone else's) used to say ...

You can't put an old head on young shoulders...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To say that, if that was one of my boys in Paris Browns position, I would be 'incandescent' with 'Ms Barnes' would be the understatement of the century..

That's the thing that is puzzling me about all of this: Where were/are Paris Brown's parents? Why have they been so silent? Why did they not ensure that Ann Barnes did all the background checks she should have done?

I think this lass' parents have not supported her as well as they could have.

Brown would have only held the job for a year anyway because as soon as she turned 18 she would have been too old for it.

Wishy, you're absolutely right. Not one 'significant adult' in this girls life has stepped up to the plate to defend her. Yes, she may well have made comments that all us 'oldies' (!!) KNOW are racist, homophobic, etc. She was 15-17 when she posted those comments. Surely it's OUR job as adults to educate her that such comments are not acceptable now that SHE is becoming a young adult? Far too many people seem to have an unrealistic expectation that a 17yr old should suddenly appear in the limelight as a fully formed, fully aware adult beyond their years.

As me Granny (and everyone else's) used to say ...

You can't put an old head on young shoulders..."

I'd have a guess that she's been thoroughly educated on those issues now..and so will have a few others.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We should clarify to our children that our right to "freedom of speach" is purely just a right to an opinion, and if we want to express that opinion publically, then we have to do so within the confines of certain legislation, such as those governing incitment, libel and racism.

Too many people are ignorant of what we can and can't do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We should clarify to our children that our right to "freedom of speach" is purely just a right to an opinion, and if we want to express that opinion publically, then we have to do so within the confines of certain legislation, such as those governing incitment, libel and racism.

Too many people are ignorant of what we can and can't do. "

Technically there is no freedom of speech in the UK. There's I'd freedom of expression ( HRA). Having said all of that, if this is about learning and she's learned that when you make a mistake when you're a child then some people will treat you as an adult and crucify you publically to prove a point. I find the way she's been treated as shocking.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's a strange age though - a child when it suits, and an adult when it suits. When the 'votes at 16' discussions happen it's all about young people in the army, getting married blah, blah, blah.

But now she's a helpless child with childish _iews in need of grown up help.

I don't know her so can't comment on her actual attitudes - seems to me the issue is more an adjustment to a situation that will happen more and more often - peoples online history biting them.

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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

Wellingborough

It seems to me, that as a complete group of people we are creating our own Orwellian society. We and not the governments are creating the tools to our own future. We are walking ourselves into a society where everyone know everything about each other. Where even our dreams and thoughts are opened up to world.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It seems to me, that as a complete group of people we are creating our own Orwellian society. We and not the governments are creating the tools to our own future. We are walking ourselves into a society where everyone know everything about each other. Where even our dreams and thoughts are opened up to world. "

Ben Elton - Blind Faith

I agree Governments are behind in this - the power of Facebook, twitter, google etc.

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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

Wellingborough


"It seems to me, that as a complete group of people we are creating our own Orwellian society. We and not the governments are creating the tools to our own future. We are walking ourselves into a society where everyone know everything about each other. Where even our dreams and thoughts are opened up to world.

Ben Elton - Blind Faith

I agree Governments are behind in this - the power of Facebook, twitter, google etc."

It was not governments that created these sites. It is not governments that controls these sites. It was not governments that made loads of people use and dump their lives onto these sites. It was us, the people that did.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It seems to me, that as a complete group of people we are creating our own Orwellian society. We and not the governments are creating the tools to our own future. We are walking ourselves into a society where everyone know everything about each other. Where even our dreams and thoughts are opened up to world.

Ben Elton - Blind Faith

I agree Governments are behind in this - the power of Facebook, twitter, google etc.

It was not governments that created these sites. It is not governments that controls these sites. It was not governments that made loads of people use and dump their lives onto these sites. It was us, the people that did."

Governments are behind IN this..

not 'behind this'

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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

Wellingborough


"It seems to me, that as a complete group of people we are creating our own Orwellian society. We and not the governments are creating the tools to our own future. We are walking ourselves into a society where everyone know everything about each other. Where even our dreams and thoughts are opened up to world.

Ben Elton - Blind Faith

I agree Governments are behind in this - the power of Facebook, twitter, google etc.

It was not governments that created these sites. It is not governments that controls these sites. It was not governments that made loads of people use and dump their lives onto these sites. It was us, the people that did.

Governments are behind IN this..

not 'behind this' "

Can you explain how though? Facebook for example, they never created the site, they never got people to use it, they never asked people to put their lives on it.. Many in governments have even been caught out on it themselves.

So I ask again how are they in on this ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

lol for fucks sake....

Governments are BEHIND IN this! You know, like when the people that created those sites are AHEAD.. And the Governments are BEHIND?!

So yes the web has recently largely been driven by people - unregulated, unplanned etc. etc. and the legislature has not yet caught up.

The good thing about the online world however, is you can just walk away from ranty idiots set out on arguing rather than reading what is actually written - something this forum has become notorious for in the past few days.

Now walking away

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By *tomCom OP   Man  over a year ago

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"lol for fucks sake....

Governments are BEHIND IN this! You know, like when the people that created those sites are AHEAD.. And the Governments are BEHIND?!

So yes the web has recently largely been driven by people - unregulated, unplanned etc. etc. and the legislature has not yet caught up.

The good thing about the online world however, is you can just walk away from ranty idiots set out on arguing rather than reading what is actually written - something this forum has become notorious for in the past few days.

Now walking away "

You bring me back to the start then, you may walk away but your digital record does not. It will follow you for many many years to come.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"lol for fucks sake....

Governments are BEHIND IN this! You know, like when the people that created those sites are AHEAD.. And the Governments are BEHIND?!

So yes the web has recently largely been driven by people - unregulated, unplanned etc. etc. and the legislature has not yet caught up.

The good thing about the online world however, is you can just walk away from ranty idiots set out on arguing rather than reading what is actually written - something this forum has become notorious for in the past few days.

Now walking away

You bring me back to the start then, you may walk away but your digital record does not. It will follow you for many many years to come."

Funnily enough I understood that, and I'd been interested in debating it, hence the reference to the Ben Elton book which made that very point a long time ago.

My digital record will show that I'm not so patient with certain styles of 'discussion', I can live with that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sorry Crystals, but being homophobic and racist is a big issue, wether she was being paid or not."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

FoS is an illusion.

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