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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news" Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news" I'm not sure it's got anything to do with anyone else how parents choose to parent as long as it doesn't do harm. I think the standard of parenting and kids behaviour is deteriorating, was only discussing this last night with someone who works in retail and telling tails of how parents just laugh as kids run amok in a shop. There's as much or maybe more harm can be done to kids emotionally and mentally as physically from a smack. If kids are being abused and or harmed then parents need helping and if necessary removing from harming their own kids. | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't." This. It absolutely should be banned. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news I'm not sure it's got anything to do with anyone else how parents choose to parent as long as it doesn't do harm. I think the standard of parenting and kids behaviour is deteriorating, was only discussing this last night with someone who works in retail and telling tails of how parents just laugh as kids run amok in a shop. There's as much or maybe more harm can be done to kids emotionally and mentally as physically from a smack. If kids are being abused and or harmed then parents need helping and if necessary removing from harming their own kids. " If kids are running amok in shops (we've all seen it) and hitting someone is the answer surely the parents are the ones who should be subject to physical harm. Make it fair though, choose someone to punch them who's the same size. There would be plenty of volunteers | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news I'm not sure it's got anything to do with anyone else how parents choose to parent as long as it doesn't do harm. I think the standard of parenting and kids behaviour is deteriorating, was only discussing this last night with someone who works in retail and telling tails of how parents just laugh as kids run amok in a shop. There's as much or maybe more harm can be done to kids emotionally and mentally as physically from a smack. If kids are being abused and or harmed then parents need helping and if necessary removing from harming their own kids. If kids are running amok in shops (we've all seen it) and hitting someone is the answer surely the parents are the ones who should be subject to physical harm. Make it fair though, choose someone to punch them who's the same size. There would be plenty of volunteers " Don't forget age as it'll play a role Should've known better, so find someone younger than them  | |||
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"I'm sure it was banned as it came under child cruelty, abuse." I believe in England you can still legally smack a child so long as it doesn't leave a mark. Scotland and Wales have banned it. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent." What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them " Use reasonable force. If a 16 year old hit me i'd prosecute | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them " They're not children at 16. I think restraint is different to hitting. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them " there are restraining methods - but then this is moving into a different area of DV - child on parent which unfortunately is a thing and is growing | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them " That’s not violence, that’s restraint. Restraining a child because they are being violent is very different from beating them as a punishment. | |||
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"Perhaps we should be beating up adults who misbehave. Rude to a bus driver? Deck him. Shoplifting? Get someone much bigger to slap them around a bit. Speeding? A couple of swift swipes to the side of the head should do it. " why not bring back hanging too might deter a few wronguns | |||
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"Did I smack my children? Yes. Do I regret it? No. Can only remember smacking one daughter once. Can't even remember what it was for. Don't remember smacking the youngest daughter. The boys only very occasionally and don't recall doing it past the age of around 8 when they can actually be reasoned with and don't need a sharp lesson to be shown something is wrong/dangerous. According to DebauchedDeviantsPt2 I've failed as a parent but I think my children would disagree. They always knew they were loved and always received hugs and kisses, even now. When she was about 10 my youngest told me I was the best dad in the world, as they do. I laughed and told her there was a few million kids around the world that would disagree. "No" she said, "You have just the right amount of discipline and just the right amount of fun." Kids, eh? " Did the entire train carriage start applauding? | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't." Came here to say this! I’ve never yet heard a reasoned argument against it, either. Mrs TMN x | |||
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"I think most of us have dabbed a kids hand to stop them putting it in the fire. Our kids pushed us to the edge many times but we didn't hit them. We were at an airport once where a kid was running riot. Our son aged around 10 turned to me and said "I'm so glad you didn't let us behave like that" and our daughter came back from a friend's house horrified at the way the friend had spoken to her mum. She said she would never dare to speak to me in that way. I don't know how we achieved this without violence but we did, maybe we have natural authority, possibly we lead by example." When you give enough attention, have a strong connection and firm but fair boundaries then you don't need violence. Kids will do the right thing because they want to and because you've led by example. | |||
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"Kids will do the right thing because they want to and because you've led by example. " I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense | |||
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"Did I smack my children? Yes. Do I regret it? No. Can only remember smacking one daughter once. Can't even remember what it was for. Don't remember smacking the youngest daughter. The boys only very occasionally and don't recall doing it past the age of around 8 when they can actually be reasoned with and don't need a sharp lesson to be shown something is wrong/dangerous. According to DebauchedDeviantsPt2 I've failed as a parent but I think my children would disagree. They always knew they were loved and always received hugs and kisses, even now. When she was about 10 my youngest told me I was the best dad in the world, as they do. I laughed and told her there was a few million kids around the world that would disagree. "No" she said, "You have just the right amount of discipline and just the right amount of fun." Kids, eh? Did the entire train carriage start applauding?" Who said anything about being on train? 🤔 I disagree with you, you think what you say is correct. Your attempt at sarcasm says a lot about you not able to have an adult conversation with someone who disagrees with you. | |||
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"Intersting that as smacking had been increasingly shunned and banned in certain regions youth crime has gotten worse. I'm all for smacking a child given the right circumstances an wxample of which would be to prevent them from putting themselves in serious harm." So you think youth crime has got worse because smacking has been banned (in Scotland and Wales) and not because things like Sure Start and youth centres have been closed due to funding cuts, and we fail to invest in our youth? | |||
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"Did I smack my children? Yes. Do I regret it? No. Can only remember smacking one daughter once. Can't even remember what it was for. Don't remember smacking the youngest daughter. The boys only very occasionally and don't recall doing it past the age of around 8 when they can actually be reasoned with and don't need a sharp lesson to be shown something is wrong/dangerous. According to DebauchedDeviantsPt2 I've failed as a parent but I think my children would disagree. They always knew they were loved and always received hugs and kisses, even now. When she was about 10 my youngest told me I was the best dad in the world, as they do. I laughed and told her there was a few million kids around the world that would disagree. "No" she said, "You have just the right amount of discipline and just the right amount of fun." Kids, eh? Did the entire train carriage start applauding? Who said anything about being on train? 🤔 I disagree with you, you think what you say is correct. Your attempt at sarcasm says a lot about you not able to have an adult conversation with someone who disagrees with you." When someone uses the ‘my girlfriend goes to another school, you wouldn’t know her’ method then it’s hard not to be sarcastic. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent." Exactly this. I was able to bring up 3 kids without hitting them. And they weren't easy kids. | |||
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"Did I smack my children? Yes. Do I regret it? No. Can only remember smacking one daughter once. Can't even remember what it was for. Don't remember smacking the youngest daughter. The boys only very occasionally and don't recall doing it past the age of around 8 when they can actually be reasoned with and don't need a sharp lesson to be shown something is wrong/dangerous. According to DebauchedDeviantsPt2 I've failed as a parent but I think my children would disagree. They always knew they were loved and always received hugs and kisses, even now. When she was about 10 my youngest told me I was the best dad in the world, as they do. I laughed and told her there was a few million kids around the world that would disagree. "No" she said, "You have just the right amount of discipline and just the right amount of fun." Kids, eh? " I guess I agree with this ,I didn't smack my children I talked to them ,I entertained them ,I was part of them ,they fealt fulfilled so discipline wasn't such a feature for them but so many need discipline especially in the technological age ,to many things to take them away from the reality of life ,taking their attention away from interacting with people . | |||
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"Did I smack my children? Yes. Do I regret it? No. Can only remember smacking one daughter once. Can't even remember what it was for. Don't remember smacking the youngest daughter. The boys only very occasionally and don't recall doing it past the age of around 8 when they can actually be reasoned with and don't need a sharp lesson to be shown something is wrong/dangerous. According to DebauchedDeviantsPt2 I've failed as a parent but I think my children would disagree. They always knew they were loved and always received hugs and kisses, even now. When she was about 10 my youngest told me I was the best dad in the world, as they do. I laughed and told her there was a few million kids around the world that would disagree. "No" she said, "You have just the right amount of discipline and just the right amount of fun." Kids, eh? Did the entire train carriage start applauding? Who said anything about being on train? 🤔 I disagree with you, you think what you say is correct. Your attempt at sarcasm says a lot about you not able to have an adult conversation with someone who disagrees with you. When someone uses the ‘my girlfriend goes to another school, you wouldn’t know her’ method then it’s hard not to be sarcastic." I have no idea what you're on about. It was said by my daughter. Believe or not, I care not 🖤 | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr " Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. " Why would anyone kick somebody because they ride a bike? | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. " Aww bless your little cottons, I really have upset you haven’t I 😂 The mr | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. Aww bless your little cottons, I really have upset you haven’t I 😂 The mr " Read the room  | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. Aww bless your little cottons, I really have upset you haven’t I 😂 The mr Read the room "Why ? The mr | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them " Gotta be honest, when I was 16 (and 6 inches bigger than my mum) I told her if she hit me again I’d hit her back. Funny how the physical violence stopped once she realised she’d be on the recieving end too. | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news I'm not sure it's got anything to do with anyone else how parents choose to parent as long as it doesn't do harm. I think the standard of parenting and kids behaviour is deteriorating, was only discussing this last night with someone who works in retail and telling tails of how parents just laugh as kids run amok in a shop. There's as much or maybe more harm can be done to kids emotionally and mentally as physically from a smack. If kids are being abused and or harmed then parents need helping and if necessary removing from harming their own kids. " Saying “other abuse is damaging too” is no reason to allow one form of abuse to continue. And the idea that children /youngsters behave worse these days is as old as time - Socrates even wrote about it. It’s a perception fallacy not an actual truth Hitting children should be banned. If you need physical force to restrain a child from hurting themselves that’s different. Violence is not an appropriate tool for behaviour modification. | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr Well it’s seemed to cement the idea that kicking cyclists into a ditch is fine. Aww bless your little cottons, I really have upset you haven’t I 😂 The mr " Not really, just pointed out how you claim violence did you no harm as a child but were happy for it to meted out to innocent people as an adult. Are you sure it did you no harm? | |||
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"According to the NSPCC whose helpline receives concerns over smacking children. Should it be banned? It's all over the news Yes it should, if you have to use violence against a child you have failed as a parent. What if your 16 year old smacks you / hits you in a temper and you need to restrain them Gotta be honest, when I was 16 (and 6 inches bigger than my mum) I told her if she hit me again I’d hit her back. Funny how the physical violence stopped once she realised she’d be on the recieving end too. " Same here. that was the last day either of them dared raise a hand against me. I use words not violence to guide and discipline my kids. | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't." Anybody? | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people " What’s a mild smack, Tom? | |||
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"No it's not uk banned if u leave a mark then that's abuse And u should report ypirself however the NSPCC is a corrupt charity owned by politicians etc who also own private foster agency who steal kids via socsil for money and trafffick them - well proven knowledge " Do you have any evidence to support these assertions? | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't. Anybody?" It's because there's no explanation | |||
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"Kids will do the right thing because they want to and because you've led by example. I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense" Oh thank you so much for taking the second part without the context of the first. 🙄 | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't. Anybody? It's because there's no explanation" Shut the front door | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom?" If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you | |||
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"It should be banned." And how do you police it | |||
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"Pain compliance is a well known technique for training horses and dogs and we are all mammals. It's just another tool in the box to choose what is best for the child " Interesting. Tom's posts are usually very much against animal cruelty. | |||
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"Pain compliance is a well known technique for training horses and dogs and we are all mammals. It's just another tool in the box to choose what is best for the child Interesting. Tom's posts are usually very much against animal cruelty. " It's a debate | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't... "What makes you think you can talk about other people's lives experiences? There are those who say that? There are those who say it helped them? There are those that say it harmed them? Which ones are you choosing to know better than? Or do you know better than all of them? | |||
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"There is very definitely a breakdown in childrens behaviour in schools. It is very clear to see the lack of respect for authority. Ive witnessed it . There must be an explainstion for this. " Shit parents. Isn't that difficult to work out. Partly due to pressures to work rather than parent. And rather more due to people who either don't know or can't be arsed to put the considerable time and effort in to bringing up their children. They're happy for teachers to toilet train their kids instead. | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't...
What makes you think you can talk about other people's lives experiences? There are those who say that? There are those who say it helped them? There are those that say it harmed them? Which ones are you choosing to know better than? Or do you know better than all of them? "Living in a democracy. What makes you think I can't? | |||
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"Getting beaten for misbehaving as a child never did me any harm. The mr " I never got beaten but got a smack which was fine and needed at the time. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you " That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much." Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't... "Haha I can honestly say it did me no harm, it harmed my mother more than me as now that she’s older and has little else we will never be as close as she would like (various reasons not just getting hit) despite me believing it did me no harm I would never raise a hand to my kids my dad never once raised his hand to me he preferred to explain the ramifications of my actions and that’s the exact method I used with my kids growing up and they turned out fine and both are now far closer to me than their mother who did used to smack them | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much." And there's a big difference between talking about it and then the reality of when an angry frustrated parent lashes out. They're not so calm and measured then. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. And there's a big difference between talking about it and then the reality of when an angry frustrated parent lashes out. They're not so calm and measured then." You obviously misunderstand | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't...
Haha I can honestly say it did me no harm, it harmed my mother more than me as now that she’s older and has little else we will never be as close as she would like (various reasons not just getting hit) despite me believing it did me no harm I would never raise a hand to my kids my dad never once raised his hand to me he preferred to explain the ramifications of my actions and that’s the exact method I used with my kids growing up and they turned out fine and both are now far closer to me than their mother who did used to smack them "I guess I could claim similar albeit some might say the loss of a relationship with a mother is the harm. | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't...
Haha I can honestly say it did me no harm, it harmed my mother more than me as now that she’s older and has little else we will never be as close as she would like (various reasons not just getting hit) despite me believing it did me no harm I would never raise a hand to my kids my dad never once raised his hand to me he preferred to explain the ramifications of my actions and that’s the exact method I used with my kids growing up and they turned out fine and both are now far closer to me than their mother who did used to smack them
I guess I could claim similar albeit some might say the loss of a relationship with a mother is the harm."Why was that? | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. " If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't...
Haha I can honestly say it did me no harm, it harmed my mother more than me as now that she’s older and has little else we will never be as close as she would like (various reasons not just getting hit) despite me believing it did me no harm I would never raise a hand to my kids my dad never once raised his hand to me he preferred to explain the ramifications of my actions and that’s the exact method I used with my kids growing up and they turned out fine and both are now far closer to me than their mother who did used to smack them
I guess I could claim similar albeit some might say the loss of a relationship with a mother is the harm.
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. " Spare the rod and spoil the child was a proverb | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Spare the rod and spoil the child was a proverb " Indeed. If we ran the world based on proverbs, it would certainly be very different. "A cow pat is wider when trodden on" (Irish proverb) | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.." Especially southerners. | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. " Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.." Indeed. You've posted this almost as many times as cyclist topics. | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.. Especially southerners. " | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.." This is the most self aware I've ever seen you! 😱👀 | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. " I'm saying that if I, as an adult, smacked with an open palm, another adult, such as you, I will be dealt with as a law breaker. But English law does not afford children the same protection. That's what I'm saying. It's double standards. I don't care whether one defines a "smack" as less violent as another form of physical assault. It's still a physical assault. | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.. Especially southerners. "What's wrong with southerners ? | |||
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"Some people have nothing to say but say it often.. Especially southerners. "Forgive me, but sometimes sin is justifed | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. I'm saying that if I, as an adult, smacked with an open palm, another adult, such as you, I will be dealt with as a law breaker. But English law does not afford children the same protection. That's what I'm saying. It's double standards. I don't care whether one defines a "smack" as less violent as another form of physical assault. It's still a physical assault. " On a par with some verbal assaults | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. I'm saying that if I, as an adult, smacked with an open palm, another adult, such as you, I will be dealt with as a law breaker. But English law does not afford children the same protection. That's what I'm saying. It's double standards. I don't care whether one defines a "smack" as less violent as another form of physical assault. It's still a physical assault. On a par with some verbal assaults " Verbal assault and emotional abuse are also things, yes. Both should be taken much more seriously. | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. I'm saying that if I, as an adult, smacked with an open palm, another adult, such as you, I will be dealt with as a law breaker. But English law does not afford children the same protection. That's what I'm saying. It's double standards. I don't care whether one defines a "smack" as less violent as another form of physical assault. It's still a physical assault. On a par with some verbal assaults Verbal assault and emotional abuse are also things, yes. Both should be taken much more seriously. " So please desist | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. " In English and Welsh law, battery can be anything from the slightest touch. Assault is the threat of that happening. Obviously these things are prosecuted along a sliding scale of seriousness, with some exceptions (surgery, brushing someone by mistake on a crowded train, etc). I'm summarising a lot of material, the basis of which can be found in the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/contents | |||
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"The 'didn't do me any harm' crowd always make me laugh in these debates. I mean of course it didn't...
Haha I can honestly say it did me no harm, it harmed my mother more than me as now that she’s older and has little else we will never be as close as she would like (various reasons not just getting hit) despite me believing it did me no harm I would never raise a hand to my kids my dad never once raised his hand to me he preferred to explain the ramifications of my actions and that’s the exact method I used with my kids growing up and they turned out fine and both are now far closer to me than their mother who did used to smack them
I guess I could claim similar albeit some might say the loss of a relationship with a mother is the harm."Fair point mate, in my case it was more so the relationship was never there (again I must stress for a lot more than just being hit) than it was lost but what your saying is correct | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children?" I expect about the age they might hit back. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children?" Smacking should stop at 18…. And then I can punch him when he’s being a dick. ^its a joke ffs. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back." I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was | |||
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"The choice of language used is as usual very pejorative. Smacking is different from hitting, assaulting, punching and all the other deliberately misused for effect words. I don't see any need for the state to insert itself into families and parents that someone (who?) decides is acceptable (defined by?) behaviour. I do think there is a need to define more clearly what is acceptable and if parents are unable to meet those standards then decent intervention is necessary. We have kids being brought up by kids who either don't know or are incapable of respect for others and society and laws. These need addressing as the small minority is becoming a large percentage. Is shouting acceptable? Better parents make better kids make better parents. If I smacked you on the legs or buttocks because I disagreed with your behaviour, I guarantee I will be dealt with as a breach of the law. Just the same as if my open palmed "smack" was a closed fist punch or any other form of physical assault. Not sure I understand you. Are you saying a smack on the legs with an open palm from a parent will be treated and prosecuted and punished in law, the same as raining punches to the face and "other forms of physical assault"? I'm astonished if that is the case but defer to your greater knowledge if it is. I'm saying that if I, as an adult, smacked with an open palm, another adult, such as you, I will be dealt with as a law breaker. But English law does not afford children the same protection. That's what I'm saying. It's double standards. I don't care whether one defines a "smack" as less violent as another form of physical assault. It's still a physical assault. On a par with some verbal assaults Verbal assault and emotional abuse are also things, yes. Both should be taken much more seriously. So please desist " Desist from what? | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was "One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries " Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back." So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was
One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it. "Your greatest achievement. ? You need to get out more | |||
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"I can’t understand how anyone can do it anyways, my mother still brags to this day of how she hit us seems proud of it, I look at my own kids and couldn’t dream of raising a hand to them " My mum the same loved bragging about how she disciplined me with the wooden spoon. On the other hand when I had a son of my own I couldn't raise a hand to my son but my late wife was quick to give him a slap when he was out of order. 50 years later still conflicted | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem." If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was
One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it.
Your greatest achievement. ? You need to get out more"One of. I have my reasons for the pride in it. When someone who is supposed to care for you behaved in the way he did. Well. He was lucky it was only yoghurt. | |||
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"I can’t understand how anyone can do it anyways, my mother still brags to this day of how she hit us seems proud of it, I look at my own kids and couldn’t dream of raising a hand to them My mum the same loved bragging about how she disciplined me with the wooden spoon. On the other hand when I had a son of my own I couldn't raise a hand to my son but my late wife was quick to give him a slap when he was out of order. 50 years later still conflicted" My mother used to be pleased when she left a hand print and would inspect it when you got ready for bed or into the bath. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was
One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it.
Your greatest achievement. ? You need to get out more
One of. I have my reasons for the pride in it. When someone who is supposed to care for you behaved in the way he did. Well. He was lucky it was only yoghurt. "Was it strawberry. ? | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was
One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it.
Your greatest achievement. ? You need to get out more
One of. I have my reasons for the pride in it. When someone who is supposed to care for you behaved in the way he did. Well. He was lucky it was only yoghurt.
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. I would never dare to hit back my mom no matter what age I was
One of my greatest achievements was throwing a yoghurt at my stepfather. It burst right in his face and he looked exactly like the absolute twat he was. I was very proud of that. He deserved it.
Your greatest achievement. ? You need to get out more
One of. I have my reasons for the pride in it. When someone who is supposed to care for you behaved in the way he did. Well. He was lucky it was only yoghurt.
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It was a peach flavour Petit Filous (large pot). "https://youtu.be/8e1xvyTdBZI?si=T9__nI5bpv-U6NPe | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate " You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? " You are the one who needs to decide your boundaries. Not Tom..let your condolences be your guide | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it." That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? You are the one who needs to decide your boundaries. Not Tom..let your condolences be your guide " How does that protect children, Tom? What if someone decides the boundary with their child is anything but broken bones, what then? | |||
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"I've never understood hitting adults is against the law but hitting children isn't." Exactly, same here  x | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes." Along with the point that only a coward hits a child. | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes." Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? You are the one who needs to decide your boundaries. Not Tom..let your condolences be your guide How does that protect children, Tom? What if someone decides the boundary with their child is anything but broken bones, what then?" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66719859.amp Some people think/thought this was ok | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? You are the one who needs to decide your boundaries. Not Tom..let your condolences be your guide How does that protect children, Tom? What if someone decides the boundary with their child is anything but broken bones, what then?" Well that's not mild chastisement is it .? Keep up | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. " Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them. | |||
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"Spare the Rod and spoil the child. Who hasn't wanted to give a brat having a tantrum in Tescos a clip around the ear? That parents snd schools have failed to discipline their children is why now people think rioting is acceptable. They don't think there's anything wrong with it. A damn good hiding or caning at school for bad behaviour would go a long way to rectifying the current situation.." You can say that again | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them." Do you have children ? | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them. Do you have children ?" No. So what? I've been a child, I've been around children. I would pick up a toddler trying to play in traffic whereas I wouldn't manhandle a teenager doing the same. Do I need to have pushed a child from my nether regions to understand why these things are different? | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them. Do you have children ? No. So what? I've been a child, I've been around children. I would pick up a toddler trying to play in traffic whereas I wouldn't manhandle a teenager doing the same. Do I need to have pushed a child from my nether regions to understand why these things are different?" So you have little to add | |||
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"Why do pro smackers always sound so angry and get so defensive about their "right" to whack children? " It's kind of creepy to me. Sometimes it's fetish like. Sometimes it sounds almost like revenge. My parents did use physical chastisement and never spoke like this | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them. Do you have children ? No. So what? I've been a child, I've been around children. I would pick up a toddler trying to play in traffic whereas I wouldn't manhandle a teenager doing the same. Do I need to have pushed a child from my nether regions to understand why these things are different? So you have little to add " If we vetted these forums for quality control, there would be a lot less forum, wouldn't there, Tom. | |||
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"Why do pro smackers always sound so angry and get so defensive about their "right" to whack children? " It's enshrined in English Law. The right for mild chastisement which is interpreted by idiots to mean a full blown beating. Grow up and smell the coffee | |||
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"Anyone who agreed with 'smacking' at what age should one stop hitting ones children? I expect about the age they might hit back. So it only becomes domestic violence when someone is nearly the same size as you, when they're smaller than you it's ok. Got it. That was the point I'd intended to make. Yes. Yep. I'm wondering if anyone can explain the reasoning behind this because it seems rather odd to me. Slight devil's advocate. I'm not ok with hitting children. I think there's something to be said that some children are not old enough to understand reason. Not like, therefore hit them. But I've been at bus stops watching a free range toddler edging closer towards playing in traffic. I will absolutely violate that child's right to personal space by picking them up and taking them out of the road (after trying and failing to alert their parent), whereas if that child was a teenager... they know what the fuck they're doing and it's not my problem. (And if I did do/ say anything, it'd probably be something like "stop playing in the road, idiot") So in that instance I'd use physical force (gentle force, I'm not trying to hurt anyone) for younger but not older. But I think in terms of discipline, if a child doesn't understand what they've done wrong, there's no bloody point hitting them. Do you have children ? No. So what? I've been a child, I've been around children. I would pick up a toddler trying to play in traffic whereas I wouldn't manhandle a teenager doing the same. Do I need to have pushed a child from my nether regions to understand why these things are different? So you have little to add If we vetted these forums for quality control, there would be a lot less forum, wouldn't there, Tom." You are not a parent so clueless .. | |||
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"Why do pro smackers always sound so angry and get so defensive about their "right" to whack children? It's enshrined in English Law. The right for mild chastisement which is interpreted by idiots to mean a full blown beating. Grow up and smell the coffee" You have yet to contribute to a definition about what "mild chastisement" (I believe the law is "reasonable chastisement") means. It's a pretty vague term, presumably dependent upon time and culture. In previous times it might have been more severe than it is now. I personally think that anyone who plans to smack a child, no matter how lightly, is a worse parent than I am. And I flush my potential children each month. | |||
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"Why do pro smackers always sound so angry and get so defensive about their "right" to whack children? It's enshrined in English Law. The right for mild chastisement which is interpreted by idiots to mean a full blown beating. Grow up and smell the coffee You have yet to contribute to a definition about what "mild chastisement" (I believe the law is "reasonable chastisement") means. It's a pretty vague term, presumably dependent upon time and culture. In previous times it might have been more severe than it is now. I personally think that anyone who plans to smack a child, no matter how lightly, is a worse parent than I am. And I flush my potential children each month." Plans to smack a child ? You are not a parent and have little to add as usual | |||
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"Perhaps we should be beating up adults who misbehave. Rude to a bus driver? Deck him. Shoplifting? Get someone much bigger to slap them around a bit. Speeding? A couple of swift swipes to the side of the head should do it. " i think the context of a smack for misbehaving is way off here. . . a smack on the ass ar back of legs never did me any harm . Hurt for a minute but i soon behaved as i didnt want another one. This compared to been decked is abit different . Theres a clear line between a smack for misbehaving and child abuse. If parents cant parent without it been classed as abuse theres no wonder kids are growing up to be assholes these days. We wouldnt of dared to do half of what they get away with these days and fact is . They get away with it. | |||
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"Why do pro smackers always sound so angry and get so defensive about their "right" to whack children? It's enshrined in English Law. The right for mild chastisement which is interpreted by idiots to mean a full blown beating. Grow up and smell the coffee You have yet to contribute to a definition about what "mild chastisement" (I believe the law is "reasonable chastisement") means. It's a pretty vague term, presumably dependent upon time and culture. In previous times it might have been more severe than it is now. I personally think that anyone who plans to smack a child, no matter how lightly, is a worse parent than I am. And I flush my potential children each month. Plans to smack a child ? You are not a parent and have little to add as usual" So you keep saying. I am entitled to my opinion and will continue to contribute. If you are so affronted by what you regard as useless opinions, might I suggest that an internet forum is not a good place to be? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP" So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself?" You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? | |||
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"We are talking a mild smack not beating the shit out of people What’s a mild smack, Tom? If you don't know what a mild smack is then I can't educate you That’s rather the point, Tom. You can’t say what a mild smack is because it means different things to different people. What is mild to me might be extreme to a small child, and what is mild to one child may be very painful to another. It’s simply too difficult to assess what is too little, what is enough and what is too much. Most people know the difference but if you live in your world then best avoided if you cannot understand the difference or the boundaries Do they, how do they know? People’s interpretation of what is fine differs, that’s the problem. If you don't know the boundaries then best not participate You can’t explain what the boundaries are though, Tom. Which seems like you thought you’d been clever but actually you just don’t have an answer. One person may think the boundary is anything up to, but not including, corporal punishment because ‘it never did them any harm’ whereas the boundary for someone else might be causing pain. Where is the boundary, Tom? You are the one who needs to decide your boundaries. Not Tom..let your condolences be your guide How does that protect children, Tom? What if someone decides the boundary with their child is anything but broken bones, what then? Well that's not mild chastisement is it .? Keep up" Are you deliberately missing the point, Tom? Who gets to decide what is mild? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ?" On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?  | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to? "You said you had no children. Do you have cats? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?
You said you had no children. Do you have cats?"I fail to understand what this has to do with anything. I'm here to discuss the topic. Try another thread for stuff about personal lives. What is mild chastisement, Tom? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?
You said you had no children. Do you have cats?
I fail to understand what this has to do with anything. I'm here to discuss the topic. Try another thread for stuff about personal lives.
What is mild chastisement, Tom?"Are you a cat lady ? | |||
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"Is Tom familiar with the saying "Reel them in" ? Tom seems very good at it! "Sometimes it's easier to engage and save others from the task. | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?
You said you had no children. Do you have cats?
I fail to understand what this has to do with anything. I'm here to discuss the topic. Try another thread for stuff about personal lives.
What is mild chastisement, Tom?
Are you a cat lady ?"I'm not here to talk about me. What is mild chastisement? | |||
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?
You said you had no children. Do you have cats?
I fail to understand what this has to do with anything. I'm here to discuss the topic. Try another thread for stuff about personal lives.
What is mild chastisement, Tom?
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I'm not here to talk about me.
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"So a child is about to run in the road in front of a car and a mother gives a gentle smack on the backside to stop this in future. The child no longer runs in the road. The self righteous non smacker prefers g talk to a child who cannot understand. The next time the child runs out then he is in over by a bus and is a puddle of flesh and blood. Th grieving mother can take comfort at the funeral and ever after that she never smacked her child.. RIP So for someone who argued that people against smacking don't understand nuance, you've jumped straight from reasoning with a child to mutilated corpse at a funeral. If you expect nuance of others, maybe try exhibiting it yourself? You don't have children? Do you feel that yo are missing out ? On being told that not physically punishing my child will lead to their gruesome death? Why would you imagine that that would be something I'd aspire to?
You said you had no children. Do you have cats?
I fail to understand what this has to do with anything. I'm here to discuss the topic. Try another thread for stuff about personal lives.
What is mild chastisement, Tom?
Are you a cat lady ?
I'm not here to talk about me.
What is mild chastisement?
So you have cats? "I am asking what mild chastisement is. This has nothing to do with cats, dogs, alligators, or JD Vance's poor long suffering couch. What is mild chastisement? | |||
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"Today's generation are a different breed I truly believe that at my age we are the last generation to have discipline to have respect and morals (loose ones sometimes).the parents don't seem to discipline their children they let them run wild they don't correct them when they are wrong? Things are much different now I get it but even the threat of a clip or a smack off my parents was enough to make me toe the line and respect others especially teachers and the police. I've never forgotten the immortal words from my mother if I'd been playing up was 'Just you wait until your dad gets home.' " You nailed it right there. Those parents were not taught a different way to parent, set boundaries and discipline, without violence. That's why todays generation and parents need help, new parenting skills need to be, passed down to the next generation. | |||
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"So a cat lady with no children and no experience of having children knows best.. ?" I said about as much about knowing best as I did about having cats. I stated my opinion. Everyone's got one. You may fantasise as you wish about me, but I would prefer if you posted it in the relevant forum section where I don't have to see it, because it's a bit weird. | |||
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"So a cat lady with no children and no experience of having children knows best.. ? I said about as much about knowing best as I did about having cats. I stated my opinion. Everyone's got one. You may fantasise as you wish about me, but I would prefer if you posted it in the relevant forum section where I don't have to see it, because it's a bit weird." https://youtu.be/6fvhLrBrPQI?si=a4IyJwGP2gugvaV8 | |||
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"So a cat lady with no children and no experience of having children knows best.. ? I said about as much about knowing best as I did about having cats. I stated my opinion. Everyone's got one. You may fantasise as you wish about me, but I would prefer if you posted it in the relevant forum section where I don't have to see it, because it's a bit weird. https://youtu.be/6fvhLrBrPQI?si=a4IyJwGP2gugvaV8" What do you believe constitutes mild or reasonable chastisement, Tom? | |||
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"Loving this - go, swing dress " Agree.. just go.. | |||
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"Loving this - go, swing dress Agree.. just go.." Poor Tom - can’t answer a question | |||
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"Loving this - go, swing dress " Thank you very much. I enjoy these little arguments and taking them apart. | |||
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"Loving this - go, swing dress Thank you very much. I enjoy these little arguments and taking them apart." You’re doing well - I wonder if it’s all over the news yet? | |||
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"Loving this - go, swing dress Thank you very much. I enjoy these little arguments and taking them apart." Hahahaha | |||
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