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"Is it possible to be inclusive to everyone? I'm finding it very difficult to be inclusive towardsy brothers new woman friend"
Are you opposed to her as an individual or your brother having new women friends as a general though. It's the idea of the latter that I'm struggling to see the reasoning behind.
Imagine walking into a local shop that has been selling granny smith apples for 10 years and then the next day it sells granny smith apples and pink lady apples. And some customers who have been shopping there for years are displeased about it to the point they start to boycott the local shop. |
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"Is it possible to be inclusive to everyone? I'm finding it very difficult to be inclusive towardsy brothers new woman friend
Are you opposed to her as an individual or your brother having new women friends as a general though. It's the idea of the latter that I'm struggling to see the reasoning behind.
Imagine walking into a local shop that has been selling granny smith apples for 10 years and then the next day it sells granny smith apples and pink lady apples. And some customers who have been shopping there for years are displeased about it to the point they start to boycott the local shop."
Yeah I don't get that |
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"Whom I'll never understand.
The, stop trying to be inclusive people.
Like how the fuck is being inclusive to everyone negatively affecting you on personal level 🤦"
You’re so right! I can’t get my head around it! |
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I am the most inclusive person ever but there are some people for sure I will not include. That is true for most people I believe. There are even people here I want nothing to do with. I ignore them  |
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"Is tolerating intolerance inclusive?
It’s an established paradox isn’t it "
Tolerance is more of a social contract, not be a virtue or moral principle. An unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another's differences as long as no harm to others arises. When someone actively seeks to be intolerant and damaging to someone for simply living their best life without harming others, they break the contract, and are no longer covered by it. |
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"Is tolerating intolerance inclusive?
It’s an established paradox isn’t it
Tolerance is more of a social contract, not be a virtue or moral principle. An unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another's differences as long as no harm to others arises. When someone actively seeks to be intolerant and damaging to someone for simply living their best life without harming others, they break the contract, and are no longer covered by it."
Well said. |
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"Is there an example for context?
I don’t think anyone likes everyone and you can never please everyone in one swoop. So complete inclusivity simply isn’t always possible. "
See the granny smith apples example up above. |
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"Whom I'll never understand.
The, stop trying to be inclusive people.
Like how the fuck is being inclusive to everyone negatively affecting you on personal level 🤦"
So are you saying that everyone should include everyone else ? |
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"Is tolerating intolerance inclusive?
Yep. Inclusivity surely applies to everyone. I think everyone practices selective inclusivity. "
I don’t think that’s true, I think intolerance is tolerated almost as much as it’s ever been.
If I’m seen as being intolerant to bigots, and “woke”, I’m fine with that. |
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Selective inclusiveness was mentioned above but there are also those who run with the hare and hunt with the hound so their degree of inclusivity changes from day to day or with the situation.
They are more than happy to be inclusive to another individual until something new and shiny comes along and they switch, either because they feel pressure to do so in order to remain relevant or because they are told, it's them or me.
If I'm going to a retailer for a specific item they have been advertising for years as cheaper, tastier or better quality than their competitors and suddenly out of the blue they start selling the more expensive, lesser quality product just like everyone else, that trust has gone so I will look elsewhere. |
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"Is tolerating intolerance inclusive?
It’s an established paradox isn’t it
Tolerance is more of a social contract, not be a virtue or moral principle. An unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another's differences as long as no harm to others arises. When someone actively seeks to be intolerant and damaging to someone for simply living their best life without harming others, they break the contract, and are no longer covered by it."
I like this definition a lot, as long as it is applied equally in all directions. As much as the recent behaviour of some of the indigenous population is intolerable, so is the behaviour of some of the recent additions to said population. As long as both are considered equally intolerable, I can happily live with that. |
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I’ll tolerate all kinds of people with strong views on things like immigration, politics, religion , polar opposites to mine, if they seem principled and not coming from a place of hate, racism or bigotry. The moment they say something about people grouping by gender, class, race or color they cross the line and become an idiot |
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By *appyDays64Man 14 weeks ago
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"I’ll tolerate all kinds of people with strong views on things like immigration, politics, religion , polar opposites to mine, if they seem principled and not coming from a place of hate, racism or bigotry. The moment they say something about people grouping by gender, class, race or color they cross the line and become an idiot"
I would concur with this .. but why can't people treat others as people..? Everyone is different in their own ways. We should accept people as people..not labels or sectors .. just a person .. |
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This thread highlights just how exclusive the inclusive are.
Inclusive with terms and conditions. Inclusive if we share the same ideology.
The list of topics that are anything but inclusive is so long that complete inclusivity is impossible.
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Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values. |
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values."
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values.
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
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If we keep it within the walls of the fab forums there are people who claim to be inclusive but are obviously exclusively inclusive.
The slightest challenge to their opinions and suddenly they are no longer inclusive.
Inclusivity on fab is often directly linked to simping and brown-nosing. |
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values.
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
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I believe you are mistakenly interpreting my comments as fairness and respect extends over terrorists and criminals who are actively breaking the law and causing harm to others. For clarity I have no problem if anyone has a far-right opinion or indeed believes that Islam is the only religion that should be followed providing their opinion does not turn into violence, intimidation, terror etc. |
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values.
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
If we keep it within the walls of the fab forums there are people who claim to be inclusive but are obviously exclusively inclusive.
The slightest challenge to their opinions and suddenly they are no longer inclusive.
Inclusivity on fab is often directly linked to simping and brown-nosing. "
Simping? |
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values.
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
I believe you are mistakenly interpreting my comments as fairness and respect extends over terrorists and criminals who are actively breaking the law and causing harm to others. For clarity I have no problem if anyone has a far-right opinion or indeed believes that Islam is the only religion that should be followed providing their opinion does not turn into violence, intimidation, terror etc."
But how about those who aren’t actively breaking the law but agree with and support those that are prepared to? Ok for those to be included?
In your defence, your inclusivity does seem to extend a lot further than some. There are people on this site who wouldn’t meet a Tory or a labour voter! |
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"Surely the term ‘inclusivity’ is the issue here. Personally I believe nobody should feel obliged to be overtly friendly, supportive or embracing of everyone but what is important is that society should be respectful, fair and non-prejudicial of others who may practice alternate beliefs and values.
Should we be a bit more fair and respectful to fascists?
Maybe respectful and fair to Isis ?
All I know is that inclusivity seems to be an exclusive concept.
I believe you are mistakenly interpreting my comments as fairness and respect extends over terrorists and criminals who are actively breaking the law and causing harm to others. For clarity I have no problem if anyone has a far-right opinion or indeed believes that Islam is the only religion that should be followed providing their opinion does not turn into violence, intimidation, terror etc.
But how about those who aren’t actively breaking the law but agree with and support those that are prepared to? Ok for those to be included?
In your defence, your inclusivity does seem to extend a lot further than some. There are people on this site who wouldn’t meet a Tory or a labour voter!"
It's actually a rather simple and binary decision, I have absolutely no issue with an individual thinking or believing something no matter how distasteful it may be to the majority (as is the case in UK law), however, the line is crossed when their thoughts become actions whether directly by committing violence, terrorism and destruction themselves or indirectly by incitement, leading or influencing others to commit same acts. This is called freedom of expression and is the basis for most of the legislation in place that is linked to Human Rights. |
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