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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why not have to do a citizenship exam im pretty sure the states do it don't quote me on that though i do believe every1 should know about where they're living which granted would make me have to study lol god help me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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I believe that as people wanting to live in this country are made to take tests re the country and its history then yes it is a good idea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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Forgive me as I am being thick this morning, do you mean people who were born in uk should take the test or those that want to come live here ? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"What happens if you fail the test  "
You lose the right to vote, claim benefits, use the NHS, shop in supermarkets before midnight and after 7am, use buses, or have internet access.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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There is already one its called life in the UK test you must pass this to get citizenship
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"What happens if you fail the test
You lose the right to vote, claim benefits, use the NHS, shop in supermarkets before midnight and after 7am, use buses, or have internet access. "
Oh bollocks!!! I'm off to the library to borrow England for dummies |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
There is already one its called life in the UK test you must pass this to get citizenship
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Only if you are not already a citizen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What happens if you fail the test
I'll pack my bags  bye England been fun "
I think I best had as well , I honestly did not know who our prime minister was last night , knew who the president of America was though. |
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it "
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test. "
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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I quite agree that with living in a country (any country really) there comes a responsibility to integrate to a degree, to understand the culture and to understand/ speak at least the basic language. Furthermore, in my _iew it is desirable that everybody is aware of at least the basic construct of a country, ie the voting system, the government and all the stuff that comes with citizenship.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it should be taught more in schools as well. American kids do it, they pledge allegence to the flag but kids don't even know who the prime minister is here. Theres no patriotism any more or sense that's it great to be British, but that's because people are too scared of offending anyone. So we'll just keep letting people who have a slight grasp on the english language come here and rape our welfare system till we end up like Greece |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do I would'nt wanna be anything else I love this country but its on its arse and it doesn't look like its getting any better. Its pretty obvious I'm an ex squaddie aint it haha |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm an American who moved here to be with my husband. I had to apply for a temp visa and that was good for 2 years and some change..at the end of that I had to take a Life in the UK test, pay a lot more money and have biometric finger prints (again) done. You have to pass the test in order to even send off the application for a right to remain Visa..the test is £50/pop..on top of all the rest of the money we've paid for both visas....it's a right pain in the butt..it's not easy but it's not the worst test either. That does not give me citizenship so I'm not sure what you have to do to get that but as I'm not interested in dual we prob. won't find out. All I know is that it's just what you do to live in another country and I personally think everyone that moves here from another country should have to take it. It gave me some good insight on British laws/customs that I might not have otherwise known.
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oh and some guys my husband worked with looked over the test and said they didn't even know some of the answers! lol |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"I'm an American who moved here to be with my husband. I had to apply for a temp visa and that was good for 2 years and some change..at the end of that I had to take a Life in the UK test, pay a lot more money and have biometric finger prints (again) done. You have to pass the test in order to even send off the application for a right to remain Visa..the test is £50/pop..on top of all the rest of the money we've paid for both visas....it's a right pain in the butt..it's not easy but it's not the worst test either. That does not give me citizenship so I'm not sure what you have to do to get that but as I'm not interested in dual we prob. won't find out. All I know is that it's just what you do to live in another country and I personally think everyone that moves here from another country should have to take it. It gave me some good insight on British laws/customs that I might not have otherwise known.
Mischief
oh and some guys my husband worked with looked over the test and said they didn't even know some of the answers! lol"
Good post - I have not applied for dual nationality either but I, too have taken English tests (for different purposes) and was told by several native speakers that they would not have passed the test. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test.
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens "
I think that has more to do with The European courts than ours as they keep overruling our courts decisions. I believe this is why the Conservatives have said they want to opt out of the European Court of human rights if they win the next election. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A friend of mine had to take the test and I didn't know some if the answers either !
I do think its terrible that we don't teach our kids about the uk it seems to be deemed as incorrect to teach pride in being British (even the English flag has been hijacked by rightwing thugs and now seen as a bad thing to show with pride) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
Forgive me as I am being thick this morning, do you mean people who were born in uk should take the test or those that want to come live here ? "
Everyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No for any test, but I am very proud to be British.
Immensely proud, in fact. "
I am proud to be British too but have to feel slightly ashamed I don't know more about Britain as a whole even though i'm a massive history fan. There are many life in the U.K. test questions I had not clue to the answers of |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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When I started this thread I should have emphasised that I see this as not as a big stick to hit people with. More something to engage everyone in the country they live. If you're going to work and live and play in a place, why not get the maximum value from the experience. It might also make us better at tolerating things we may not yet understand. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No more than I would agree with taking a written test to have a home in Spain, I am very proud to be British but think we are as a nation becoming far too jingoistic....."
Understanding isn't jingoism is it? Or are you supporting the idea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No I'm not supporting it, my reference to jingoism is in reference to the constant need we seem to have in this country to impose our 'Britishness' on ourselves and others.
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Fair enough. I would definitely not be in support of that either! But simply finding out just why for example we have two houses politically and where the monarchy fits with it, why there are four countries and why there is a partition in one of them is not jingoistic. In fact I'd say it was the opposite. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it."
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I do find it frustrating listening to people rant about their Britishness and how foreigners get everything but are unable to answer some of quite simple questions on the Life in the UK test paper.
It should be covered in school but I would not support asking citizens to take a test. There's nothing you could do if they failed. As a way of ensuring people integrate and learn about where they are moving to it makes sense.
I did inform a British citizen (born and bred I believe) that the Queen has two birthdays. Simple things that many know but quite a lot of British citizens have never absorbed.
I haven't read it yet but I can't seem to read anything else without a reference to David Goodhart's The British Dream at the moment. It will be interesting to see how the new narrative is shaped for all of us. |
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"One thing I've taken away from the last couple of days and indeed going into last week, is that we have a great deal of people posting opinions about their country, political or otherwise.
The posts that troubled me the most were those that were either ill informed or just plain wrong about recent history.
So my question for this grey and miserable Tuesday, should we have - as part of the deal for living in a free society like ours - a high level citizenship test for all. If so, what would you have included in it. And at what age would you have it? I'm not suggesting this be a school activity, maybe it's best suited to when you reach say 25?
Please try and stay away from making this yet another vitriolic thread. We've had enough of those.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I just did some of the on-line practice tests and it's an interesting mix of culture, tradition, history, law, mores and governance.
As others have said above, just give it a go on-line.
I tried three to see how they varied the questions and scored 100%, 91% and 100%. It was an interesting test of English language comprehension too, just by the the subtle changes in asking essentially the same question. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How. "
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How.
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point.."
Citizenship is taught in schools and it does coved the electoral system. Not all teenagers are thick and clueless. |
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"Everyday in American schools the children have to recite the pledge of allegiance. Maybe something similar could be employed over here, might stop another asbo generation"
It's in all likelihood done so in 'robotic' fashion....you can get kids to recite anything, whether or not it means a whole lot to many of them is another story. |
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How.
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point..
Citizenship is taught in schools and it does coved the electoral system. Not all teenagers are thick and clueless. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Citizenship is taught in schools and it does coved the electoral system. Not all teenagers are thick and clueless. "
Yes - although it's often a bit more mechanical than inspirational. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyday in American schools the children have to recite the pledge of allegiance. Maybe something similar could be employed over here, might stop another asbo generation"
Well they are a shining example of good behaviour in the USA  |
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By *ourbonKissMan
over a year ago
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"Everyday in American schools the children have to recite the pledge of allegiance. Maybe something similar could be employed over here, might stop another asbo generation
Well they are a shining example of good behaviour in the USA "
Hey I didn't say that it was perfect |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How.
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point.."
You are absolutely right. But nowhere there did you mention parents. The engagement by them with their offspring to take full advantage of all of those tools. To treat education in any firm like a partnership, instead of always leaving it to others to do the job. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How.
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point..
You are absolutely right. But nowhere there did you mention parents. The engagement by them with their offspring to take full advantage of all of those tools. To treat education in any firm like a partnership, instead of always leaving it to others to do the job. "
If you mean a partnership between parents and teachers, personally I prefer that teachers are entrusted to teach and parents to parent. I dislike homework encroaching on our family time, and I dislike pushy parents that think they know better than teachers how to teach.
If you mean parents ensuring their children get the opportunities to go to school, visit museums, obtain books and generally encourage, support and educate like good parents then yes - of course. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No. It would only become a political tool - who decides on the priorities for questions etc?
Our country is so diverse and has such a massive history - I don't like the notion that we can all be boxed in to somebody else's notion of Britishness.
Inspire people of all ages to learn about our history, promote our weird traditions and cultures, protect our heritage - but don't force it.
Excellent idea to inspire. Go on then. How.
It's called teaching - believe it or not we actually have a very good education system, with excellent teachers, lecturers, professors backed up by top quality resources - books, films. The BBC does a pretty good job too. So does English Heritage, The National Trust. We have great free museums across the country, and we have The British Library and it's counterparts in the other countries in the UK along with your local library.
Any of those could be a starting point..
You are absolutely right. But nowhere there did you mention parents. The engagement by them with their offspring to take full advantage of all of those tools. To treat education in any firm like a partnership, instead of always leaving it to others to do the job.
If you mean a partnership between parents and teachers, personally I prefer that teachers are entrusted to teach and parents to parent. I dislike homework encroaching on our family time, and I dislike pushy parents that think they know better than teachers how to teach.
If you mean parents ensuring their children get the opportunities to go to school, visit museums, obtain books and generally encourage, support and educate like good parents then yes - of course."
If I'm honest, it depends on the parent. A bit of both would be a good mix. We love family discussion and debate/argument on the issues of the day, history, you name it. I guess it all depends on your family circumstance.
Things like government and people and that relationship alone can be a fantastic voyage of discovery - in the right environment. And it's that I suppose I'm trying to galvanise. Nothing more. There's no right and wrong to the test if it were to cone about. Take it and see where your gaps are, then go explore those areas.
I'm rambling. I'll stop.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test.
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens "
Hard working law abiding citizens don't need a soft option.
My passport makes me UK citizen and no other means of proving my right to be here is necessary. |
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test.
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens I think that has more to do with The European courts than ours as they keep overruling our courts decisions. I believe this is why the Conservatives have said they want to opt out of the European Court of human rights if they win the next election. "
They can't opt out....it's not a pick and mix convention, new member nations have to ratify the convention within the first year of their membership.
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test.
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens
Hard working law abiding citizens don't need a soft option.
My passport makes me UK citizen and no other means of proving my right to be here is necessary. "
Thing is Fishy, having a passport doesn't make you a good citizen, just a citizen. Much in the same way that just having a driving licence doesn't make you a good driver - you know, the ones that park anywhere they please...
As I have said at numerous points in this thread, a test would NOT be a stick to beat people with, more an apolitical means of simply engaging you. Me, I'd relish it. |
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"If I'm honest, it depends on the parent"
Can't argue with that 
Your other comments remind me of something I read a long time ago, that was playing with the idea that eventually nations as they currently are, will cease to exist as our methods of communication change and we become more identified with groups of interest rather than by geographical borders.
I don't agree, but it adds interesting ideas on the notions of citizenship, belonging, identity etc. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If I'm honest, it depends on the parent
Can't argue with that
Your other comments remind me of something I read a long time ago, that was playing with the idea that eventually nations as they currently are, will cease to exist as our methods of communication change and we become more identified with groups of interest rather than by geographical borders.
I don't agree, but it adds interesting ideas on the notions of citizenship, belonging, identity etc."
Was this an Engles theory? Gonna go do some homework. I guess you could argue that this site is its own micro society! |
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"If I'm honest, it depends on the parent
Can't argue with that
Your other comments remind me of something I read a long time ago, that was playing with the idea that eventually nations as they currently are, will cease to exist as our methods of communication change and we become more identified with groups of interest rather than by geographical borders.
I don't agree, but it adds interesting ideas on the notions of citizenship, belonging, identity etc.
Was this an Engles theory? Gonna go do some homework. I guess you could argue that this site is its own micro society!"
No it was quite recent and was related to the Internet allowing people to identify readily by interests (such as this site) and arguing that people more strongly identified with those communities than they did by geographic boundaries. Therefore they were more likely to be active 'citizens' in their interest groups than in their locality.
You could maybe _iew it another way which is that many of us move between many communities quite often now as we change interests, locality, jobs, countries etc. and as people increasingly do nationality may matter less than being good 'global citizens' able to easily adapt to smaller communities anywhere. And so national citizenship vs global citizenship. |
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"What happens if you fail the test
You don't get citizenship it's called life in the UK test every person who wants citizenship has to pass it
I know that immigrants to the country have todo this but iI am a citizen by birth so not required to take that test.
I believe the OP was suggesting that everyone, regardless of being an immigrant or notw be made to take a test.
That is a laugh don't forget this is the country where we can't deport known terrorists as it might infringe their human rights
And people in prison get the right to vote as it infringes their human rights.
I could go on for ages but lest face it this country is a soft option for everyone except those that are hard working law abiding citizens I think that has more to do with The European courts than ours as they keep overruling our courts decisions. I believe this is why the Conservatives have said they want to opt out of the European Court of human rights if they win the next election. "
If we opt out then don't expect legal protection should you fall fowl by accident when abroad, don't expect free medical treatment when in holiday or the same ability to work freely..
Expect services and products to cost more....
We have no heavy industry to speak of, we rely on european or foreign monies and investment..
Our own high courts are over ruling on some of these important deportation cases!
We can be so insular!
Perhaps Europe should adopt Stirling...
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Freedom is important to me, therefore the less you try to impose on people the better. Living your life in a responsible humane way shouldn't in any way be dictated by your nationality.
Knowing certain facts about the country you live in doesn't necessarily make you a better neighbour.
You can put my tick in the 'no' box for imposing any kind of test. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"........My passport makes me UK citizen and no other means of proving my right to be here is necessary. "
Having a passport doesn't make anyone a citizen. You're either a citizen or you're not. |
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