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"The conversation is easier had, and more effective, it approached in a grown up manner. Resorting to name calling, I’m better than you and othering makes most arguments come across as poor imo and generally isn’t helpful "Totally agree. | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is" The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind  rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
"Well when people raised concern about this radicalisation, I wonder if it led to teachers, educators, people working with young people actually reporting to prevent. | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
"This is a media tactic, It's always propaganda with the media, this is why I don't follow what's in the media currently as it's used to whitewash over the real issues | |||
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"It doesn't matter to them: brown is brown. You could be Hindu, Sikh, Muslim or Mixed-race white/ black Caribbean - like my daughters. Nor does it matter if you were born here - you're still not 'British' in their eyes. Big hard men hurting people, damaging their property, scaring them into staying in their homes. Racist bullies." It’s really interesting because actually this kind of racism is what I am sure led to things like political blackness. They see us all as the same. So we identify as all the same. (Obviously that term is not where we’re at now but this was just a reflection) | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. " The people who the lead the groups and indoctrinate others into hate may be smart, but the ones on the street blathering about muslamic ray guns after 12 cans of Stella, hurling petrol bombs. I am not so convinced. | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
"Bingo! The media is just as responsible for this situation and the radicalisation of the far right as well as the demonising of Trans rights | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. The people who the lead the groups and indoctrinate others into hate may be smart, but the ones on the street blathering about muslamic ray guns after 12 cans of Stella, hurling petrol bombs. I am not so convinced. " Well, I think it relies on a lack of questioning for sure. I agree they’re probably not smart. The fact that they’re doing half the shit they’re doing is evidence enough of that. | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
Well when people raised concern about this radicalisation, I wonder if it led to teachers, educators, people working with young people actually reporting to prevent. "You'd like to think so, as well as reporting colleagues they know to be involved to LADO.... I raised it in recent Safeguarding training, was met with silence from colleagues because they had only looked at prevent from the angle of minority groups, god forbid it came from the majority demograph  hopefully it got them thinking about their roles and duties when looking at the definitions. | |||
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"It doesn't matter to them: brown is brown. You could be Hindu, Sikh, Muslim or Mixed-race white/ black Caribbean - like my daughters. Nor does it matter if you were born here - you're still not 'British' in their eyes. Big hard men hurting people, damaging their property, scaring them into staying in their homes. Racist bullies. It’s really interesting because actually this kind of racism is what I am sure led to things like political blackness. They see us all as the same. So we identify as all the same. (Obviously that term is not where we’re at now but this was just a reflection)" I completely agree. I think it’s important to not get caught up on how we got here but where do we go from here? Denouncing the actions of people is all well and good but it doesn’t actually achieve anything. Calling someone a racist thug doesn’t prevent them from looting or setting fires. How do WE solve it? | |||
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"These people are just "ordinary" I say ordinary because they anything but. However in normal day to day life they are your neighbour,workmate maybe someone who you know personally from a social point even a family member. Clearly something isn't right that has caused people to get so angry,so bigoted and xenophobic perhaps they have been groomed to believe what they are doing is right. Yes I agree it's mindless anarchy but getting to the root cause and creating an open dialogue is as important as stopping the current " protest's" I don't sympathise with the actions that is happening. I'd like a hard stance against all forms of violence no matter who is doing it. " I think it’s scary that these people live and work amongst us in silence. But not surprising to a lot of us that experience the subtle nature of racism in this country. We’ve been saying it for years that it comes from all kinds of people. | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
Well when people raised concern about this radicalisation, I wonder if it led to teachers, educators, people working with young people actually reporting to prevent.
You'd like to think so, as well as reporting colleagues they know to be involved to LADO....
I raised it in recent Safeguarding training, was met with silence from colleagues because they had only looked at prevent from the angle of minority groups, god forbid it came from the majority demograph hopefully it got them thinking about their roles and duties when looking at the definitions."I think you challenging would’ve done a lot! But yeah I think it’s sadly not everyone’s thought when it comes to prevent which highlights a huge problem | |||
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"It appears everyone on here has missed the point … yet again … ah well " Help us out!! | |||
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"It appears everyone on here has missed the point … yet again … ah well " Enlighten us ?? | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is The indoctrination of kids into far right ideals is a hugeeeee problem in plain sight Yet the media just want to troll on trans ideology as the greatest threat to mankind rather than looking at real world issues with immense ramifications for all .
Well when people raised concern about this radicalisation, I wonder if it led to teachers, educators, people working with young people actually reporting to prevent.
You'd like to think so, as well as reporting colleagues they know to be involved to LADO....
I raised it in recent Safeguarding training, was met with silence from colleagues because they had only looked at prevent from the angle of minority groups, god forbid it came from the majority demograph hopefully it got them thinking about their roles and duties when looking at the definitions.
I think you challenging would’ve done a lot!
But yeah I think it’s sadly not everyone’s thought when it comes to prevent which highlights a huge problem "It really does! I don't want to live in a place that isn't accepting of others A colleague told me the other day that she voted reform, and started spouting about immigrants and not belonging. I asked her 'what about me then?' And went on to say that as a Welsh born Welsh speaker living in England that her logic applies to me too....that's different apparently! 'Why? Because I'm white?' - Silence. Just 'wow' was my response before walking off People really have no understanding | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. " Steve, I fully accept that we as a nation did some awful stuff in the past and that the wealth of the very wealthy was accrued by vile means which we shouldn't ever forget but I can't as a white working class bloke feel shame for those times.. Thet where carried out by the same people who treated our own in despicable ways too, their sins are not mine.. I can and have educated my kids about the wrongs and how they are part of our history as much as fighting fascism was and I now see them passing on that to their own and that pleases me.. On the rest I'm fully with you, it's been part of my working and private life to challenge ignorance and many of the traits we see that are based on propaganda spreading fear and division will need to be challenged long after I'm gone sadly.. | |||
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"The conversation is easier had, and more effective, it approached in a grown up manner. Resorting to name calling, I’m better than you and othering makes most arguments come across as poor imo and generally isn’t helpful "People, youths, factions, gangsters, movements, whatever they are with ideas like this aren't easily conversed with, they have set beliefs and agendas. They aren't there to blow a whistle about closing a border, it's to commit crime under the guise of free protest. What does confuse the picture is people who are there to placard wave in not stepping back and just mail their MP. There's supposed to be 40 marches planned for today, I've no idea if they are legitimate or not but organisers must realise they are being co-opted by rioters. | |||
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" Cal It’s giving If you get rid of all the immigrants then ‘Who’s going to clean your toilet, Donald Trump?’ But I get the sentiment behind it. " The same people that cleaned it before the mass immigration and cheap labour that ruined wages and services in the cheap seats maybe? | |||
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"Couple In Lancs, I think that’s a fair comment and a POV well put. Typically when people think of the sl*very for example it’s interesting that it’s associated with , and considered part of the ‘black history’ curriculum when in fact it speaks just as much, if not more so to ‘white history’ or just ‘history’ as you noted. I don’t think you’re being asked to feel shame for it, but acknowledging it for what it was and the impact it has in society today is pivotal. The handling of the Windrush generation and the deportation of some many being a case in point "Cheers mate, I might have jumped to the wrong conclusion with the word shame so thank you.. As a lad growing in one of the cities that made a lot of it's wealth (for some) I was never told in school that the names of the big streets in the City are named after some prominent sla#e traders.. I remember having a row with the history teacher and got the cane for asking why didn't you tell us.. The whole Windrush scandal has been made much worse by how it's been poorly handled but not really a surprise tbh.. | |||
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"Couple In Lancs, I think that’s a fair comment and a POV well put. Typically when people think of the sl*very for example it’s interesting that it’s associated with , and considered part of the ‘black history’ curriculum when in fact it speaks just as much, if not more so to ‘white history’ or just ‘history’ as you noted. I don’t think you’re being asked to feel shame for it, but acknowledging it for what it was and the impact it has in society today is pivotal. The handling of the Windrush generation and the deportation of some many being a case in point "!!!! | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. Steve, I fully accept that we as a nation did some awful stuff in the past and that the wealth of the very wealthy was accrued by vile means which we shouldn't ever forget but I can't as a white working class bloke feel shame for those times.. Thet where carried out by the same people who treated our own in despicable ways too, their sins are not mine.. I can and have educated my kids about the wrongs and how they are part of our history as much as fighting fascism was and I now see them passing on that to their own and that pleases me.. On the rest I'm fully with you, it's been part of my working and private life to challenge ignorance and many of the traits we see that are based on propaganda spreading fear and division will need to be challenged long after I'm gone sadly.. " I think I feel shame about it. And I think we should feel shame about it. That’s not to say anything about individuals being blamed it. It’s just a sense of, nationally that wasn’t a good thing. Same as say, Germany have acknowledged their past. Anyway yeah I think we actually agree.  | |||
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"Goodmess I feel like your first two paragraphs contradict, as you state the first as being a fact and then secondly say there’s others who confuse the fact that the first is unequivocally the thing. The looting and the violence are separate in some respects because from my perspective when I think to the examples of two tier policing as people want to refer to it as they are using two instances in Harehills and Birmingham. The looting took place all across and the photos do not suggest the ‘typical suspects’ were being their unruly selves " I can't see what's confusing myself - Harehills was completely different to this. Harehills was a local public reaction. This is national where people are genuinely protesting about immigration. Within that there are EDL, NF, crims and youfs are along for the ride. They are policed by those holding bricks, lighter fluid and planks as opposed to cardboard signs. It shouldn't be hard for those not wanting a record to take other forms of action and stay home. It'd allow the police to focus resources, either way, this isn't direct injustice, so having a reasoned conversation to change a mindset isn't going to happen, it's a factional issue. | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. Steve, I fully accept that we as a nation did some awful stuff in the past and that the wealth of the very wealthy was accrued by vile means which we shouldn't ever forget but I can't as a white working class bloke feel shame for those times.. Thet where carried out by the same people who treated our own in despicable ways too, their sins are not mine.. I can and have educated my kids about the wrongs and how they are part of our history as much as fighting fascism was and I now see them passing on that to their own and that pleases me.. On the rest I'm fully with you, it's been part of my working and private life to challenge ignorance and many of the traits we see that are based on propaganda spreading fear and division will need to be challenged long after I'm gone sadly.. I think I feel shame about it. And I think we should feel shame about it. That’s not to say anything about individuals being blamed it. It’s just a sense of, nationally that wasn’t a good thing. Same as say, Germany have acknowledged their past. Anyway yeah I think we actually agree. "  | |||
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"While all cultures fight & blame eachother the real reason behind all this same as covid , facial recognition, digital passports contol movement , keep playing into their hands , keep using these self service machines in the super market keep using your cards no cash so while you all fight against yourselfs they keep watching whilst taking away your freedom ..." Cultures aren't fighting each other.. there's a group of nobs and then everyone else. | |||
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"Denouncing the actions of people is all well and good but it doesn’t actually achieve anything. Calling someone a racist thug doesn’t prevent them from looting or setting fires. How do WE solve it?" It’s really important to call it out when you see it. A lot of extremists start their journey believing they hold a reasonable and popular view. Soon their feelings become “facts”. Challenge it when you can! Gbat | |||
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"The thing is, Britain is what Britain is, beyond immigration, because of its colonial past. And that’s something people are proud of rather than ashamed of. But I think what people don’t quite understand when it comes to so much of their hatred and fear of ‘great replacement’ is that we are here because they were there. And also, the idea of ethno nationalism should scare us all. It should terrify us all. It’s stupid and it leads to exactly what we are seeing here. It leads to The ability to strip citizenship of Black and Brown people. It leads to a hierarchy of citizens. Anyway to circle back, are most of these people educated? I would imagine probably not. But let’s not forget that white supremacist narratives and racism are the original thoughts of the most educated minds of the time they lived in. Racism is not just something we can dismiss as the problem of the ‘stupid’. Many racists are the smartest people you’ll know. " It’s more complex than this. There are very different kinds of racism in the UK right now. The institutional racism limiting 4-5th generation black people in certain areas is very different from nationalism targeted against 1st generation immigrants. I know some Asians who have claimed Britain as their own for 2-3 generations and are very anti immigration because they fear their children's and grandchildrens opportunities and quality of life is at risk. I don’t believe there are many truly racist individuals who would want to harm or limit opportunity of people because of their colour , or lose multiculture in the uk but there are many very angry about current immigration / asylum policy | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. " If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration." That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? " Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government." What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔" I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence." The issue is the very left have let illegal immigration’ carry on under no control including radicalism the terriosts even home grown ones Also get your facts correct EDL have not exsitited for over ten years and nearly 5 million People voted for Reform party the spineless muppet leader with have at got the least votes ever at the last election and won most on a very small margin | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong?" Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label?" A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’" Why do you think that is? | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence. The issue is the very left have let illegal immigration’ carry on under no control including radicalism the terriosts even home grown ones Also get your facts correct EDL have not exsitited for over ten years and nearly 5 million People voted for Reform party the spineless muppet leader with have at got the least votes ever at the last election and won most on a very small margin " So why was Tommy tweeting about EDL vs MDL few days ago? Also, who are the very left? What power have they had? | |||
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"Racasim isnt just a 'white' thing its multi cultural. Reminds me when I was a locksmith on 24hr call out in Birmingham many many yrs ago. Graffiti entering Alum rock road, sign 'No Whites after 8pm' Don't believe me? Google it. Well the shop that got broken into on Alum Rock Road late at night didn't get secured by me when I was called out to it. 🤣🤣🤣 No one will ever get rid of racism. " ---------------------------------- I don't think anyone was suggesting racism was just a 'white thing' but there's something of a difference between a 'no whites' sign displayed in a single shop in Birmingham and the orchestrated terrorism across the country currently being engaged in by far right wing groups and individuals. | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! " They have been shown. There has also been arrests on both sides. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is?" because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter." If the crime is motivated by race hate, it's deemed more serious in the eyes of the law. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter." If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! Correct thank god for X the riots in Birmingham must have been hell for the local residents complete anarchy with police refusing to come out They have been shown. There has also been arrests on both sides." | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi?" No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? " The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! " ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? " A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration." There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? " Birmingham on Monday night completely law breakdown with no police | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence. The issue is the very left have let illegal immigration’ carry on under no control including radicalism the terriosts even home grown ones Also get your facts correct EDL have not exsitited for over ten years and nearly 5 million People voted for Reform party the spineless muppet leader with have at got the least votes ever at the last election and won most on a very small margin " ------------------------------------- Crikey there have been 'very left' members of the government for the last 14 years? Who knew. | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence. The issue is the very left have let illegal immigration’ carry on under no control including radicalism the terriosts even home grown ones Also get your facts correct EDL have not exsitited for over ten years and nearly 5 million People voted for Reform party the spineless muppet leader with have at got the least votes ever at the last election and won most on a very small margin ------------------------------------- Crikey there have been 'very left' members of the government for the last 14 years? Who knew." Well they certainly taxed us like the left! | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence." What language is this, even google translate is struggling. | |||
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"Did any of these uneducated jobless racist cunt! know any history? spreading hate fake news are people that stupid that they believe what ever is on the news am truly shocked!. After WW2 we wouldn't have country if it wasn't for the 1.2million indian that come over to fight. To any undercover edl supporters remember next time ur life is in danger when you go hospital it most likely be a Pakistani or indian doctors that work on u to save ur fucking dirty cunt life! And let's just Imagine uk had no other cultures but white Caucasians people british born. All u will have to eat is Bacon and fish & chips No currys food no Mexican food no Africans No Chinese food no nothing! just plain old English food. Or forgot and u won't enjoy no other cock or pussy but ur own kind. This post is vile! In my opinion a post like this is just as bad as any other prejudiced bollox. Cal" well said Cal | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative." EXACTLY 👍🏼 | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms." So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms." So if the non-racists are protesting and not being arrested, and it's only the race hate enthusiasts that are. What's the beef? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative." ----------------------------------------- So it is being reported in the media. What narrative isn't being fit? Is that an excuse for attacking totally innocent people or trying to burn down a hotel with people inside it, whatever their background or ethnicity? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? " It's widely being shown online just like the footage from the English side is, but the media aren't showing it, only the English trouble, and it's wrong! Just saying!! | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely?" -------------------------------------- It took me all of 5 seconds to find this information on the gov.uk website. I'm afraid this is another example of misinformation promoted to convince communities that ethnic minorities receive preferential treatment. | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative. ----------------------------------------- So it is being reported in the media. What narrative isn't being fit? Is that an excuse for attacking totally innocent people or trying to burn down a hotel with people inside it, whatever their background or ethnicity?" That’s my point. They ignore the facts because it doesn’t fit their narrative. It has been reported. In fact the first thing that came up was the thug waving a knife behind the sky reporter. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems?" My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. " Are you inadvertently saying that the media have created the hysteria around immigrants and asylum seekers for at least the last decade, and that's why some people get so confused that they take to ranting about it on a swingers forum, or even get to the point they want to attack anyone not white, try to burn down hotels housing asylum seekers and attacking mosques? | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? -------------------------------------- It took me all of 5 seconds to find this information on the gov.uk website. I'm afraid this is another example of misinformation promoted to convince communities that ethnic minorities receive preferential treatment." Well that is pretty bland statement not backed up no data. Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. Are you inadvertently saying that the media have created the hysteria around immigrants and asylum seekers for at least the last decade, and that's why some people get so confused that they take to ranting about it on a swingers forum, or even get to the point they want to attack anyone not white, try to burn down hotels housing asylum seekers and attacking mosques?" Or you are just wrong. | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative. ----------------------------------------- So it is being reported in the media. What narrative isn't being fit? Is that an excuse for attacking totally innocent people or trying to burn down a hotel with people inside it, whatever their background or ethnicity? That’s my point. They ignore the facts because it doesn’t fit their narrative. It has been reported. In fact the first thing that came up was the thug waving a knife behind the sky reporter." Excellent comment I know someone who witnessed car being kicked if family were white and chased whilst kier two tier police sat in stechford police station looking out the window possibly saving thier tea for the non believers go onto X put in Birmingham in the search | |||
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"I,e...Majority of these flagshaggers don't know what they are meant to be protesting about I'm sure, just an excuse for violence and discord Even worse when you see the kids getting involved! If that isn't terrorist radicalisation I don't know what is" Totally agree with this As it's absurd just following a crowd unclear why but because a majority are just joining. But it's a lot bigger and unable to think that far ahead 🤣😂 future generation it's worrying | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. " I literally posted saying a thug is a thug and a rioter is a rioter, a racist is a racist and don't blame the government for clarifying it. You went on a full on rant about how the government and media are against you as a person and are ignoring you. How is there a link between the two? Nobody cares if you want to go out and peacefully protest mass immigration go right ahead and do it. The government works for all of the people not just you. If you're in the minority, then you won't win, it's that simple. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. Are you inadvertently saying that the media have created the hysteria around immigrants and asylum seekers for at least the last decade, and that's why some people get so confused that they take to ranting about it on a swingers forum, or even get to the point they want to attack anyone not white, try to burn down hotels housing asylum seekers and attacking mosques? Or you are just wrong." About what? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? It's widely being shown online just like the footage from the English side is, but the media aren't showing it, only the English trouble, and it's wrong! Just saying!! " I think all involved are English x | |||
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"I’m not in favour of immigration, but it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with numbers. If the immigrants were exactly like us I would still object. We can’t build services or train workers to match demand. We have had c.20mil extra people in the last 20 years, but we haven’t got the extra GP slots, hospital beds or school places. I think we should have a points based system like Australia. As for the rioting, I believe all rioting is wrong, regardless of your politics. I don’t think the EDL marches are fine, but neither were the Leeds Romany riots, the BLM statue toppling, or any of the JSO protests. What contributes to the issue though is the perception of the riots. Either the police are not policing fairly, or the media are not reporting fairly. In either case it is inflaming tensions. " There's a false equivalence there between the current race hate motivated violent riots and say the peaceful environmental protesters, or the BLM protests that damaged a statue. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely?" You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. I literally posted saying a thug is a thug and a rioter is a rioter, a racist is a racist and don't blame the government for clarifying it. You went on a full on rant about how the government and media are against you as a person and are ignoring you. How is there a link between the two? Nobody cares if you want to go out and peacefully protest mass immigration go right ahead and do it. The government works for all of the people not just you. If you're in the minority, then you won't win, it's that simple." No you are trying to be too clever now and you are getting carried away. I actually said there is a clear problem with immigration in the country that many people feel strongly about. That question needs a proper discussion. I also said that MSM are not being balanced about the problems and the issues and are themselves causing more problems. I also said that the Labour government by labelling people is causing more problems. That is what I said. Nor am I ranting. I am replying. Try and keep calm. | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! ----------------------------- How are you witnessing them if they're not being covered by the media? Who's perpetrating these attacks and where? A quick look on Sky News accounts on socials shows the disorder from both sides but that doesn’t fit the narrative. ----------------------------------------- So it is being reported in the media. What narrative isn't being fit? Is that an excuse for attacking totally innocent people or trying to burn down a hotel with people inside it, whatever their background or ethnicity? That’s my point. They ignore the facts because it doesn’t fit their narrative. It has been reported. In fact the first thing that came up was the thug waving a knife behind the sky reporter. Excellent comment I know someone who witnessed car being kicked if family were white and chased whilst kier two tier police sat in stechford police station looking out the window possibly saving thier tea for the non believers go onto X put in Birmingham in the search " Kier two tier jailed someone for 6 months for stealing water in 2011. Someone just got done for 2 months for looting this year. | |||
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"I’m not in favour of immigration, but it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with numbers. If the immigrants were exactly like us I would still object. We can’t build services or train workers to match demand. We have had c.20mil extra people in the last 20 years, but we haven’t got the extra GP slots, hospital beds or school places. I think we should have a points based system like Australia. As for the rioting, I believe all rioting is wrong, regardless of your politics. I don’t think the EDL marches are fine, but neither were the Leeds Romany riots, the BLM statue toppling, or any of the JSO protests. What contributes to the issue though is the perception of the riots. Either the police are not policing fairly, or the media are not reporting fairly. In either case it is inflaming tensions. " If the immigrants were exactly like us 🤔 | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ " The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence. The issue is the very left have let illegal immigration’ carry on under no control including radicalism the terriosts even home grown ones Also get your facts correct EDL have not exsitited for over ten years and nearly 5 million People voted for Reform party the spineless muppet leader with have at got the least votes ever at the last election and won most on a very small margin " We had a Tory government for 14 years so to point the finger at labour after 5 weeks is peurile and only shows an attitude that isn't about the issue but wanting to finger point.. Yes the asylum system is a mess and yes there hasn't been a cohesive immigration policy that both sides in parliament can get behind which is what's needed because like the NHS it's used as a football to attack whichever side.. There are many issues in the country that all communities share and to a degree the asylum system is one of them but the way the mob is acting is not how to have a grown up debate.. The state rightly will only come down hard as it should with anyone acting the same.. | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself?" I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? " Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? " Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? " Don't know. But I guess you can extrapolate from the above. You seem to want something to tell you that more BAME people are the perpetrators, right? | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat " You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. | |||
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"If the protest were peaceful without any vandalism and breaking stuff and hurting the police then yes I understand but it ain’t it’s far from peaceful, and is it about immigration? Is it about religion? Is it about race? What is it about as I’m confused as all the immigrants are not just Muslims so EDL stick to 1 thing or do you just love dragging the “Muslim” faith into every protest riot and issue? We all have lived side by side each other for many decades and supported each other in this country and built it together so we should stand together not fight 1 another due to colour of skin ethnicity or one’s religion, we all bleed the same colour and we are all humans, listen to your heart and don’t be brainwashed 🤲 " No such thing as EDL disbanded 10 years ago | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless." Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. I literally posted saying a thug is a thug and a rioter is a rioter, a racist is a racist and don't blame the government for clarifying it. You went on a full on rant about how the government and media are against you as a person and are ignoring you. How is there a link between the two? Nobody cares if you want to go out and peacefully protest mass immigration go right ahead and do it. The government works for all of the people not just you. If you're in the minority, then you won't win, it's that simple. No you are trying to be too clever now and you are getting carried away. I actually said there is a clear problem with immigration in the country that many people feel strongly about. That question needs a proper discussion. I also said that MSM are not being balanced about the problems and the issues and are themselves causing more problems. I also said that the Labour government by labelling people is causing more problems. That is what I said. Nor am I ranting. I am replying. Try and keep calm." How am I getting carried away? I posted my opinion without qouting anyone, you are the one who replied to my original comment? Yeah I get your point about immigration, you've already repated it multiple times. But guess what, it's just your opinion and if many others share that opinion with you, you're more than welcome to discuss it and take it up with the goverment? NOBODY is saying you can't do that. The MSM are private companies like I said and they can choose to document the events however they see fit even if it's profit driven. Just as some people on the right side of politics like to report the events in their favour and spin the narrative their way. The Labour goverment are calling out rioters/thugs/and far right extremeists/racist and nazis. That is not labelling people, that is a warning that those who choose to break the law will be prosecuted for the crimes they committ. Doesn't matter what their race/ethnicity or religion is, they will be arrested. If people are offended by that, they're litterally alliginign themselves with those terms... | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. " But why does that matter so much? They’re in prison | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Don't know. But I guess you can extrapolate from the above. You seem to want something to tell you that more BAME people are the perpetrators, right?" I would like to know the truth? May not actually show anything? So you're wrong. | |||
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"If the protest were peaceful without any vandalism and breaking stuff and hurting the police then yes I understand but it ain’t it’s far from peaceful, and is it about immigration? Is it about religion? Is it about race? What is it about as I’m confused as all the immigrants are not just Muslims so EDL stick to 1 thing or do you just love dragging the “Muslim” faith into every protest riot and issue? We all have lived side by side each other for many decades and supported each other in this country and built it together so we should stand together not fight 1 another due to colour of skin ethnicity or one’s religion, we all bleed the same colour and we are all humans, listen to your heart and don’t be brainwashed 🤲 No such thing as EDL disbanded 10 years ago " Fascists don't disband, they change the name and continue.. | |||
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"If the protest were peaceful without any vandalism and breaking stuff and hurting the police then yes I understand but it ain’t it’s far from peaceful, and is it about immigration? Is it about religion? Is it about race? What is it about as I’m confused as all the immigrants are not just Muslims so EDL stick to 1 thing or do you just love dragging the “Muslim” faith into every protest riot and issue? We all have lived side by side each other for many decades and supported each other in this country and built it together so we should stand together not fight 1 another due to colour of skin ethnicity or one’s religion, we all bleed the same colour and we are all humans, listen to your heart and don’t be brainwashed 🤲 No such thing as EDL disbanded 10 years ago " It's roots remain and it's founder is still active, even if the spineless flag shagger is in hiding. Forage and his cronies are fuelling thr fire | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely?" I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. But why does that matter so much? They’re in prison" Sadly most people who do commit offences hardly ever get caught and even less get sent to prison. Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? | |||
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"I'm completely neutral before you say, unlike the media!! Presumably you've witnessed videos of the mindless attacks on whites too that aren't being shown by the media? Only the other way round? Just making it a level playing field here! " There’s plenty of evidence of mindless attackers on white property in the media, and nobody is completely neutral. That’s the trouble with being human. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. " Yes they should. Who do you think on here is racist and why? | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there?" Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. But why does that matter so much? They’re in prison Sadly most people who do commit offences hardly ever get caught and even less get sent to prison. Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there?" If they've never been caught then how do you know that? Why are you so hung up on ethnicity of prisoners. Find out for yourself.... | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. Yes they should. " Excellent. " Who do you think on here is racist and " I don't know anyone on here. " why?" | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. But why does that matter so much? They’re in prison Sadly most people who do commit offences hardly ever get caught and even less get sent to prison. Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? If they've never been caught then how do you know that? Why are you so hung up on ethnicity of prisoners. Find out for yourself.... " You really have missed the whole thing. Go back and re-read carefully. I am not talking about prisoners. | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. Yes they should. Excellent. Who do you think on here is racist and I don't know anyone on here. why? "Why? Just checking. | |||
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"Ask someone you know to be racist and wants people to go back to where they came from why they think white Americans are fine. Why they think white Australians are in fact genuine Australians? Apply the same to the Kiwis. All those white South Africans can't be African, surely? What about all those Spanish and Portuguese in South America? What the hell is going on? 🤔" It's rare we agree, but yep. Agree. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? " Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? | |||
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"Send me a link to the number of women assaulted (reported crime) by ethnicity in the UK by county? Or will you just say Google it yourself? I’m going to post a link AND say Google it yourself. This is data published by the Office for National Statistics, so I doubt it will satisfy your above request, but it DOES include stats on ethnicity. That disproves your “They are hiding something from us” stance. I dare say, if you wanted to know the data, it’s there and findable. Not hidden. Gbat You keep avoiding the simple question. The ethnicity of those accused are not being made are not being made available to the public as stats. But why does that matter so much? They’re in prison Sadly most people who do commit offences hardly ever get caught and even less get sent to prison. Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? If they've never been caught then how do you know that? Why are you so hung up on ethnicity of prisoners. Find out for yourself.... You really have missed the whole thing. Go back and re-read carefully. I am not talking about prisoners." No, I haven't, I have read it thank you You have ignored my question? | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of?" I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… | |||
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"Also as a white Australian, no one gets mad that I'm in the UK. Nobody. Huh. How about that 🤣" Lmao, I'm a Welsh born speaker living in England. That's OK too apparently  | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎" Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. | |||
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" There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of?" To answer your above question about who on here is racist and why 👆👆👆👆 | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. Yes they should. Excellent. Who do you think on here is racist and I don't know anyone on here. why?
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way…" Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? | |||
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"Maybe people with genuine concerns about the relentless immigration, danger to women & destruction of our communities need to organise a protest in more neutral location so if idiots turn up there is nothing to break or loot. Numbers of people, speakers & banners can enforce their opinion. Police are just seen as these twerps rival football fans so become a target. If people have concerns about danger to women then it’s these men themselves that should be volunteering to be locked up. Domestic abuse is the leading cause of violence against women, with 1 in 4 women being a victim of it. Nothing to do with immigration. That stats by ethnicity/immigration status are kept from the public so no one can actually knows. Why is that? Sorry, what are you implying here? 🤔🤔🤔 I am stating a fact. Details of abuse/sexual assaults etc are not available by ethnicity of immigration statue. Right or wrong? Does that concern or bother you? You asked ‘why is that’ Why do you think that is? because it’s perhaps not relevant? Are you sure the CPS doesn’t report on this? The CPS only deal with criminal proceedings. Reported crime would be dealt with by the police. Well let the figures be released and then we will determine whether the information is important or not. The truth is the truth surely? You are assuming there is a cover up. I put this into Perplexity AI and it came up with the following: ---------------------------- The UK government tracks and reports cases of domestic abuse by ethnicity primarily through the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime data. Here are the key points on how this is done: Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW): The CSEW collects data on domestic abuse, including the ethnicity of victims. The survey captures a wide range of demographic information, including ethnicity, to provide insights into the prevalence and characteristics of domestic abuse among different ethnic groups. For example, data from the year ending March 2020 indicated that individuals from a Mixed ethnic background were more likely to have experienced domestic abuse (7.6%) compared to those from White (5.7%), Black (3.7%), or Asian (3.6%) ethnic backgrounds. Ethnicity Facts and Figures: The UK government publishes detailed statistics on domestic abuse by ethnicity on the Ethnicity Facts and Figures website. This includes the percentage of people from different ethnic groups who reported being victims of domestic abuse. However, the reliability of some data can be limited due to small sample sizes, which can lead to suppression of certain figures to protect confidentiality and ensure statistical reliability. Domestic Abuse Act 2021 Statutory Guidance: This guidance acknowledges the barriers faced by minority communities in reporting domestic abuse and accessing support. It highlights the need for services to be aware of these barriers and to provide appropriate support, including interpretation and translation services where necessary. Mapping Reports: Reports such as "A Patchwork of Provision" provide insights into the experiences of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, including data on ethnic backgrounds. These reports often rely on surveys and contributions from specialist support services to gather comprehensive data. Overall, while the UK government does track and report domestic abuse cases by ethnicity, the data collection and reporting processes face challenges such as small sample sizes and underreporting, particularly among minority communities. ------------------------------ The key theme in reply is the ethnicity of the victims. I want to know the ethnicity of the accused. That doesn't exists does it? Most of the people in prison are British I’m sure? Why do we need to know the ethnicity of the accused, surely they should be judged the same regardless. Knowing that information better enables government to address issues and come up with solutions. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to know? Knowing the truth can never be wrong surely? I guess for people who aren't racist, we're just judging people by their actions. If someone is rioting or participating in a race hate crime. They should be punished accordingly. Yes they should. Excellent. Who do you think on here is racist and I don't know anyone on here. why?
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary?" Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? | |||
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"The people who really want arresting are the Nibel Farages and Stephen Yaxley Lennons Suaela ravameans Priti Patels Jacob Rees- Moggs. Who advance theor ambitions inciting division who then deny any part in it when it happens. Arrest them all. Farage should be kicked out of Parley and Reform, EDL, and all Far Right organisations and Politcal Parties classified as terrorist groups in Line with Muslim Grouos for inciting violence. What language is this, even google translate is struggling." It's English and easily understood. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person." Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. | |||
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" There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? To answer your above question about who on here is racist and why 👆👆👆👆" Then in answer to you, you clearly don't have a clue. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? " Yes, because the media and social media tell us so. And we trust them when we want to, and say that they're conspiratorial liars 🦎 when we don't. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you." There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. | |||
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"Also as a white Australian, no one gets mad that I'm in the UK. Nobody. Huh. How about that 🤣 Lmao, I'm a Welsh born speaker living in England. That's OK too apparently "Half Welsh half Irish here and I strongly suspect that a fair few of the mob share similar heritage.. Ironically they won't see that it's anything to do with what they're doing now.. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary?" Race =\= ethnicity. Race is not a relevant factor in stabbings White people are most likely to be murdered by another white person- this is not called white on white crime and race is not considered a factor in causing people to commit these crimes. The belief that race is relevant to cause of crime is … well it’s racist. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum." Time to locate data: five seconds https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/0cb4d81a-8a2b-47c1-a3a5-53257f05b095/prosecutions-and-convictions-by-ethnicity There you go. Laziness isn't cool even if it is a forum. | |||
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"If you are offended by the phrase far-right thug/rioter, it is no one but yourself labelling yourself as such. Don't blame the government for calling a thug a thug, a racist a racist and a nazi a nazi. If you are offended by these labels, you are the problem not the government. What about BLM thug rioter when that one was being used. Do you have a problem with that label? A thug is a thug, a rioter is a rioter no matter the race/religion or ethnicity. Once again you can only be offended by the term if you see yourself as such. And if that's the case then you're most likely a thug/rioter. If the term is being used to try and silence you, then it is and should be a concern for all. I have a problem with mass immigration. So am I far right. Am I a Nazi? No it's not being used to silence you. That's just how you choose to spin it to fit your narrative. There would be 0 arrests on people who would PEACEFULLY protest mass immigration. There are people who are doing that but that isn't being reported in the main media as that isn't what sells. You can find them on the main social media platforms. So what exactly is your problem? Because it started off with immigration and now it's about not being represented by media? You do realise media's are a private company and they are allowed to report on whatever they like? Just like you are allowed to start your own media company and report on mass immigration problems? My point is and I will make it very clear for you. There is a clear feeling in this country that immigration (check the surveying completed by both Labour and Tories before the elections to find out) is a big problem and it is being ignored by successive governments. The media are private. They operate by how much advertising revenue they can generate. Their vested interest is to get viewers to watch misery and shocking events. That is where they get their most viewers. " -------------' Thanks but we already knew that, it's a shame feeble minded individuals (left & right) fall for the whatever knee jerk the media wish to promote. Incidentally I don't believe private media platforms/accounts are blessed with any more integrity, they're all generally pushing an agenda. The argument about immigration is a vexed one, people can't just stroll into the UK (and remain) without a good reason notwithstanding a few determined souls who take their chances in a perilous crossing across the English Channel. Ultimately the UK relies on controlled immigration for reasons that have been well described, but the infrastructure needed to support communities should be properly considered to avoid those with legitimate concerns being lumped together with the racists who simply don't like darkies. Never should it be excused that direct and threatening action be taken against totally innocent ethnic minorities to promote fear that's more than a twatty thing to do. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? " Depends on what part of the country you are talking about. Then that depends on geographical area. Go an open the front page of the Hackney Gazette. Then do the same for the St Ives local newspaper. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? Depends on what part of the country you are talking about. Then that depends on geographical area. Go an open the front page of the Hackney Gazette. Then do the same for the St Ives local newspaper." Do you know the difference between what the media reports and crime statistics? | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum." ------------------- You need to look beyond those private media accounts you appear fascinated by. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. Time to locate data: five seconds https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/0cb4d81a-8a2b-47c1-a3a5-53257f05b095/prosecutions-and-convictions-by-ethnicity There you go. Laziness isn't cool even if it is a forum. " ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. ------------------- You need to look beyond those private media accounts you appear fascinated by." Assumption is the mother of all failures. | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? Depends on what part of the country you are talking about. Then that depends on geographical area. Go an open the front page of the Hackney Gazette. Then do the same for the St Ives local newspaper. Do you know the difference between what the media reports and crime statistics?" ------------------- Fuck me swingdress, this is why civilisation is damned! | |||
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" Why are you not in favour of knowing the ethnicity of those who have been reported for offences (violent/sexual) to the police? There is nothing to fear in the truth is there? Because their ethnicity isn’t relevant. It’s not a cause of the crime. It’s not a factor in any way. So why should I care? Well sure it is. So what are you afraid of? I’m not afraid. I just don’t see the need for reporting this because it isn’t necessary or resistant to the crime in any way… Really. So lets us take one obvious example. Black kids stabbing to death other black kids in London. As a result of knowing that more money has been pumped into the problem. So how can't you see that as necessary? Is knife crime solely the preserve of Black youths? Depends on what part of the country you are talking about. Then that depends on geographical area. Go an open the front page of the Hackney Gazette. Then do the same for the St Ives local newspaper." No. You have been asserting that certain types of crime are linked to certain racial groups. Seeing as the geographic distribution of people around the UK is not even, we should look across the UK as a whole. I repeat, is knife crime the preserve of Black youths only? If not, why have you referred to race and what is the relevance of white youths in St. Ives or similar? | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. Time to locate data: five seconds https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/0cb4d81a-8a2b-47c1-a3a5-53257f05b095/prosecutions-and-convictions-by-ethnicity There you go. Laziness isn't cool even if it is a forum. ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. " Why? In some sections of the media there are concerns about weaponised false reports. Surely you'd want a quality control check to rule out Ethel down the road who's making things up because she doesn't like the brown people down the road? Have you looked at the British crime survey? That's typically regarded as the premier survey for underreporting of crime. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. ------------------- You need to look beyond those private media accounts you appear fascinated by. Assumption is the mother of all failures." -------------------- Well you're making scurrilous claims, if your interest is sincere you would have found the data long ago, and you claim to be a neutral! | |||
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"I’m not in favour of immigration, but it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with numbers. If the immigrants were exactly like us I would still object. We can’t build services or train workers to match demand. We have had c.20mil extra people in the last 20 years, but we haven’t got the extra GP slots, hospital beds or school places. I think we should have a points based system like Australia. As for the rioting, I believe all rioting is wrong, regardless of your politics. I don’t think the EDL marches are fine, but neither were the Leeds Romany riots, the BLM statue toppling, or any of the JSO protests. What contributes to the issue though is the perception of the riots. Either the police are not policing fairly, or the media are not reporting fairly. In either case it is inflaming tensions. If the immigrants were exactly like us 🤔" .......he would still object. Cherry picking doesn't help anyone. | |||
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" ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. " --------------------- Does someone reporting you for a hate crime automatically make you a bad person? | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. Time to locate data: five seconds https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/0cb4d81a-8a2b-47c1-a3a5-53257f05b095/prosecutions-and-convictions-by-ethnicity There you go. Laziness isn't cool even if it is a forum. ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. Why? In some sections of the media there are concerns about weaponised false reports. Surely you'd want a quality control check to rule out Ethel down the road who's making things up because she doesn't like the brown people down the road? Have you looked at the British crime survey? That's typically regarded as the premier survey for underreporting of crime. " Data from official police stats is quality controlled. But I really like how you tried to use made up Ethel! | |||
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" ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. --------------------- Does someone reporting you for a hate crime automatically make you a bad person? " Only if it is real and you are not making it up. Else yes, It makes you a bad person. | |||
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"Has anyone actually looked at the ONS as to conviction and arrest statistics, rather than just asserting that the lizard people don't want you to know because nefarious reasons? 🦎🦎🦎 Yes but the lizard people are not talking about convictions they are talking about reported crime. I can explain the difference if you need it or ask any lizard person. Ok, so you want the British crime survey alongside the ONS. Are you actually looking for answers? If so, go find them rather than doing things that are indistinguishable from concern trolling. You may also need to be aware of the socioeconomic factors that complicate the figures. But given how invested you are in the numbers, I'm sure that won't be insurmountable for you. There are no answers available to the public. They are concealed. I know as I already looked and tried to get them under freedom of information requests. PS it is a forum. Time to locate data: five seconds https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/0cb4d81a-8a2b-47c1-a3a5-53257f05b095/prosecutions-and-convictions-by-ethnicity There you go. Laziness isn't cool even if it is a forum. ONCE AGAIN. I am not looking for convictions. I can get that. I will say again I am looking for reported crime. Not court convictions. But reported crime. Why? In some sections of the media there are concerns about weaponised false reports. Surely you'd want a quality control check to rule out Ethel down the road who's making things up because she doesn't like the brown people down the road? Have you looked at the British crime survey? That's typically regarded as the premier survey for underreporting of crime. Data from official police stats is quality controlled. But I really like how you tried to use made up Ethel! " If it's quality controlled, then surely the data has been interfered with. One of the ways in which we get to conviction data, which is apparently insufficient for you. Yes, thank you, I was trying to demonstrate one of the ways in which pure reporting data would be unreliable. I'm glad you found it helpful 🙏 | |||
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"So the media lies and is selective, except when reporting knife crime in Hackney then it's better than statistics, and the best resources used by professional criminologists are insufficient data? Make it make sense. Because all I've got at the moment is that someone wants their fee-fees validated and is uninterested in actual evidence." 🤗 | |||
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"So the media lies and is selective, except when reporting knife crime in Hackney then it's better than statistics, and the best resources used by professional criminologists are insufficient data? Make it make sense. Because all I've got at the moment is that someone wants their fee-fees validated and is uninterested in actual evidence. 🤗" *Cries into criminology degree*😭 | |||
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"So the media lies and is selective, except when reporting knife crime in Hackney then it's better than statistics, and the best resources used by professional criminologists are insufficient data? Make it make sense. Because all I've got at the moment is that someone wants their fee-fees validated and is uninterested in actual evidence." That information comes from police data. Not from me. So who wants their "fee-fees" validated? | |||
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