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Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone |
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I do think that a lot of people have become too reliant upon/trusting of what they consider to be "real" news sources and will accept anything said sources say without question or comment. This is especially so if what those sources are saying align with the person's existing confirmation bias. |
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The one I’ve been wondering about is vigils.
I’ve known some pretty awful times in my life but I don’t think I’d even heard of a vigil unless in the committed religious community.
I’m not decrying them and obviously recent events in Southport are horrendous and if people gain solace and comfort by attending a vigil then that is a good thing.
The cynic in me seems to speak to loudly though, unfortunately there seems to be a vigil when people are missing preying for heir safe return, a return that unfortunately very rarely happens.
I reiterate that if you get comfort and solace then it is a very worthwhile thing. |
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We’re used to a level of trust in what we read and view. But now anyone can share a post, it gets reshared by your best friend’s aunt’s hamster and it’s true because I read it online. So people feel like they have all the facts to make a decision.
Many have lost the art of discernment and skill of verification. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them."
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ? |
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"We’re used to a level of trust in what we read and view. But now anyone can share a post, it gets reshared by your best friend’s aunt’s hamster and it’s true because I read it online. So people feel like they have all the facts to make a decision.
Many have lost the art of discernment and skill of verification. "
Hey now, don't be casting aspersions on Nibbles. That hamster knows his stuff. |
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"We’re used to a level of trust in what we read and view. But now anyone can share a post, it gets reshared by your best friend’s aunt’s hamster and it’s true because I read it online. So people feel like they have all the facts to make a decision.
Many have lost the art of discernment and skill of verification. "
Exactly this. It's summed up by that famous Abraham Lincoln quote "don't believe everything you read on the internet" |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ? "
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true? |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?"
You believe the kids were sedated because you read it online. There was no proof. On the other hand there is online data that suggest the twins had hair samples taken and no sedative traces were found. But again that’s just from a newspaper. So where is the 100% factual proof you live and judge by
This isn’t a who’s right and who’s wrong question. I genuinely want to know why you believe something that hasn’t been proven to be factual |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?"
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect. |
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"Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect."
That's a shining example of part of the problem. You're right, but that's an *entirely* different conversation to the one originally put forward. The addition of other, unconfirmed details turns it into a completely new topic, and when people judge the situation based on that topic instead of the one actually in front of them, the waters get increasingly muddier. |
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"Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
That's a shining example of part of the problem. You're right, but that's an *entirely* different conversation to the one originally put forward. The addition of other, unconfirmed details turns it into a completely new topic, and when people judge the situation based on that topic instead of the one actually in front of them, the waters get increasingly muddier."
It has been presented as fact for years. I know the media lies but when “reputable” sources are reporting it I tend to believe it but I am also able to hold my hands up and say I got it wrong |
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People have always jumped on bandwagons.
It wasn't as obvious as it is now and the consequences weren't quite as bad. However a lot of people would get riled up over something Pete down the pub said or some gossip or the other that someone spread.
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect."
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town |
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Yep, there is very much a tendency nowadays for people to jump on things without any thought, examination of circumstances, understanding of background, etc. It is, in my view, a consequence of social media: everyone now thinks it's OK to say whatever they want and to hell with the consequences.
I have acted as an expert in legal cases and one thing you learn very quickly doing expert witness training is the difference between fact and opinion. Some people don't know the difference and, worse than that, they simply don't care about the difference as long as they 'have their say'. |
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It's always been this way. It just spread more quickly and further afield now - doing untold damage.
It's generally from people with low level thinking skills or those with the complete opposite who wish to create 'the news' and drag the poor in thought along with them like sheep on a string.
I don't think it's social media. It's a certain type of person. The type that like to gain attention for bringing the gossip and never move their backsides to fact check or see things from the perspective of others |
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone "
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town "
Are you a parent? Would you leave you kids unattended in a foreign country? I don’t take my eyes off my kids when abroad. I don’t think they’re above the law but I think this detail was swept under the carpet with everything else that was going on at the time.
On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with. |
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"On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with."
Believe it or not (and you probably won't :P) I actually do. I won't fully believe anything I'm told or read unless it's backed up by at least two other unrelated sources, and if I'm talking about it before that point I make sure to present it only as my opinion or an allegation rather than fact. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town
Are you a parent? Would you leave you kids unattended in a foreign country? I don’t take my eyes off my kids when abroad. I don’t think they’re above the law but I think this detail was swept under the carpet with everything else that was going on at the time.
On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with."
No we wouldn’t leave our kids. But it was common. And people weren’t as worried about their kids being taken from their complexes. Even today there are hotels offering baby knocking services . Where they can go for drinks at the bar and hotel staff check on the kids at various times of the evening.
A big part of the belief is they were out drinking. When the reality is they wer 40 metres away inside a locked from outsiders complex. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town
Are you a parent? Would you leave you kids unattended in a foreign country? I don’t take my eyes off my kids when abroad. I don’t think they’re above the law but I think this detail was swept under the carpet with everything else that was going on at the time.
On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with."
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town
Are you a parent? Would you leave you kids unattended in a foreign country? I don’t take my eyes off my kids when abroad. I don’t think they’re above the law but I think this detail was swept under the carpet with everything else that was going on at the time.
On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with.
No we wouldn’t leave our kids. But it was common. And people weren’t as worried about their kids being taken from their complexes. Even today there are hotels offering baby knocking services . Where they can go for drinks at the bar and hotel staff check on the kids at various times of the evening.
A big part of the belief is they were out drinking. When the reality is they wer 40 metres away inside a locked from outsiders complex. "
Nearly 40 years ago, we would leave our children in the chalets at Butlins, making use of the chalet patrols.
Years later when a bit more savvy, I shudder to think what might have happened to my children.
What use is a patrol ? What quals or tendencies did the Patrollers have ? No one knew and no one asked. We were very trusting.
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I've said recently that I was never a cynic until I joined fab but the levels that some will stoop to in the hope of remaining relevant is ridiculous.
It only takes one of the productive trolls to start a divisive thread and all the usual suspects are in like Flynn.
The level of gullibility is off the scale at times and you really can fool most of the people all of the time.
If you blind people with science you really can get away with saying whatever you want.
Jumping on bandwagons is part of being validated.
It's not cool to tell the emperor that he's naked when it's so much easier to admire his new clothes. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them."
How do you know this…. Hang on you heard it on the internet ? The internet also tells us there is scientific tests that proof they never sedated any of the children.
So we are back to good old fashioned bias.
We choose whatever we want to believe based on what’s already inside our minds - fear insecurity anger etc or fluffy marshmallows & meadows.
People jump on the bandwagon that likes to see the worst in other people normally because they feel bad about themselves.
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
How do you know this…. Hang on you heard it on the internet ? The internet also tells us there is scientific tests that proof they never sedated any of the children.
So we are back to good old fashioned bias.
We choose whatever we want to believe based on what’s already inside our minds - fear insecurity anger etc or fluffy marshmallows & meadows.
People jump on the bandwagon that likes to see the worst in other people normally because they feel bad about themselves.
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This is a good point. During the aftermath of Covid vax vs anti vax got very nasty. Both sides had fears so used name calling (sheep, tin hat, Facebook doctors etc) to help their minds believe they were doing the right thing.
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Talking of bandwagons. I've blocked yet another Facebook friend this morning for reposting pictures of the three little girls who were murdered with some copy and paste nonsense about flooding Facebook to show our respect. They will know who their true friends are by who does it. I guess that counts me out then |
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"It would benice if this topic expanded a bit. People seem to be jumping on the McCann bandwagon but perhaps that is not altogether surprising as it was featured by the OP."
The jay slater bandwagon was a recent one. So many bizarre things made up and suggested that people genuinely thought we’re all facts. Where the reality was this lad had probably a great story to tell in future years if he hadn’t slipped off a cliff. If he had walked a slightly different way no one would know who he is and he would be telling his friends at home that he had a mad night out . |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
How do you know this…. Hang on you heard it on the internet ? The internet also tells us there is scientific tests that proof they never sedated any of the children.
So we are back to good old fashioned bias.
We choose whatever we want to believe based on what’s already inside our minds - fear insecurity anger etc or fluffy marshmallows & meadows.
People jump on the bandwagon that likes to see the worst in other people normally because they feel bad about themselves.
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Try reading the rest of the thread. |
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"Kate and Gerry sedated their kids and left them unattended in a foreign country. Whatever happened the blame still lies with them.
Thank you
This is a great example of someone believing something that has no facts. Why do you believe this when there is zero evidence ?
They are the facts. What did I say that isn’t true?
Actually I apologise. The police said that they sedated their kids but hasn’t been proven true. I still stand by my original comment that the shouldn’t have left their kids unattended in a foreign country. If I did that in my own home to go for a few drinks with friends I’d be charged with neglect.
Tbf I didn’t want to start a thread about the mccans more about why people believe things that aren’t proven.
As a side note me and my sister along with thousands of other kids were left alone in Portuguese and Spanish resorts all the time before this happened. It was quite the norm in the 80s and 90s.
And your second part that if you had done it you would get done for neglect is again from reading stuff online. Why you think a couple of middle of the road doctors are above the law is purely backside of the hysteria people make in comments online. If you left your kids in their room and went for drinks in let’s say your shed down the end of the garden that would be similar. As they were within the confines of the apartments they were staying in. Not on a jolly in town
Are you a parent? Would you leave you kids unattended in a foreign country? I don’t take my eyes off my kids when abroad. I don’t think they’re above the law but I think this detail was swept under the carpet with everything else that was going on at the time.
On the subject of the thread… we’re all guilty of it. Nobody fact checks every bit of information they are presented with.
No we wouldn’t leave our kids. But it was common. And people weren’t as worried about their kids being taken from their complexes. Even today there are hotels offering baby knocking services . Where they can go for drinks at the bar and hotel staff check on the kids at various times of the evening.
A big part of the belief is they were out drinking. When the reality is they wer 40 metres away inside a locked from outsiders complex. "
It wasn’t common in 2007. I knew they were still in the complex. It still doesn’t make it right. |
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Another good one was the Wetherspoons bandwagon with false statement published in several anti-Brexit newspapers.
Even though all the newspapers published apologies when threatened with legal action Those people are still on the same bandwagon of hating Wetherspoons which proves it was nothing to do with truth or lies , just bias. |
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Social media is a big part of the problem, someone posts some idiotic theory and before you know it hundreds have reposted it.
Some people serious need to delete social media and start living in the real world.
The most recent one was the boy missing in tenerife it was obvious to anyone who has a brain and thinks logically that what happened to him was a tragic accident.
we've all made stupid decisions at a younger age it was just sadly for him his cost him his life.
This site is the only social media I have for a reason. social media was many years ago a great way to keep in touch with family and friends now it's being used for all the wrong reasons.
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"The most recent bandwagon is the awful events in Southport. Despite denials people believed the social media claims about the name of the perpetrator. "
Interestingly the true identity and the fake one were both online within hours people just chose believe it was the Syrian |
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"Social media is a big part of the problem, someone posts some idiotic theory and before you know it hundreds have reposted it.
Some people serious need to delete social media and start living in the real world.
The most recent one was the boy missing in tenerife it was obvious to anyone who has a brain and thinks logically that what happened to him was a tragic accident.
we've all made stupid decisions at a younger age it was just sadly for him his cost him his life.
This site is the only social media I have for a reason. social media was many years ago a great way to keep in touch with family and friends now it's being used for all the wrong reasons.
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Not so much with Jay Slater but with the things designed to cause hate a division is a result of bot farming. One account posts something and it’s shared thousands of times within seconds and becomes fact and since Musk took over Twitter it’s getting worse. I’m a lefty but my “for you” page is just right wing propaganda and no matter how much blocking and muting I do it still comes up. |
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Without religion and nationalism, people lack something big they can be a part of. Everyone is trying hard to fill that void one way or another. Social media makes it easy for people to get outraged about something as a group. It's not specific to one side of the political spectrum. It's common to everyone. I have jumped on to bandwagons in the post.
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"The most recent bandwagon is the awful events in Southport. Despite denials people believed the social media claims about the name of the perpetrator.
Interestingly the true identity and the fake one were both online within hours people just chose believe it was the Syrian"
I suppose because it fitted neatly with their beliefs. |
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The trouble is most people get their news whilst on the move via the internet and most who think they are doing their research aren't but are just being re directed to sites that reflect what they last read or searched for so they read the same old stuff basically but just worded differently or maybe with afew aded so called facts and so like living in one huge 24/7 echo chamber and so if people knew just how the social media/click bait/search engines worked and more importantly howmuch money they make aswell doing it ? and verysacry days but most who spread know that the old saying that even more true today than it ever was.. A lie travels the world before the truth has even got it's trousers on ? and scary how it all works now and of course certain so called politicians don't help either and confusing opinion led channels for news channels or opinions for facts ?? so the bandwagon or bandwagons will roll on and on causing mayhem/damage/distress like in Stockport and will get far far far worse and as i watch the news reminds of a comedy sketch from decades ago with some poor bloke stood outside inall weathers reporting that there was no news....then no f*cking news ....then no f***ing news at all etc etc etc then he begged to be fired/shot put out of his abject f***ing misery of reporting no f***ing news x  |
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My late wife was from an Asian country. Not long ago this year. I went to her best friend’s house to do a couple of jobs and yes get free lunch.
She asked me if I had heard the devastating news about an incident that had happened close to where my late wire’s family are living. She showed me on FB posts from people and photo’s. Part of which said hundreds killed or injured .
Now photo’s were correct . This incident had occurred . On mains news worldwide. Few injuries and no deaths. So again people posting things without checking . Causing misinformation. ?
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal. "
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport. |
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport. "
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say. "
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say.
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say.
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
You are stating they are a male (they are not) and that they shouldn’t be in the Olympics. We are saying when you are on the Olympics panel you can address this. Not that you can’t have an opinion . "
You say they are not male.
So you are dismissing what the medical professionals have found after testing this person. As I said before they were tested and found to have XY chromosomes so that makes them as a matter of scientific fact a male. It’s not even debatable it’s an already proven fact after having been tested.
While they may have lived as a female they have all the power, strength and muscle of a man so yes absolutely they should not be in a boxing ring with a woman
You can say “not a male” as much as you want you are simply wrong.
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Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say.
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
You are stating they are a male (they are not) and that they shouldn’t be in the Olympics. We are saying when you are on the Olympics panel you can address this. Not that you can’t have an opinion .
You say they are not male.
So you are dismissing what the medical professionals have found after testing this person. As I said before they were tested and found to have XY chromosomes so that makes them as a matter of scientific fact a male. It’s not even debatable it’s an already proven fact after having been tested.
While they may have lived as a female they have all the power, strength and muscle of a man so yes absolutely they should not be in a boxing ring with a woman
You can say “not a male” as much as you want you are simply wrong.
I have provided why I think they are male ……what is your basis of saying they are not male??"
You are quoting the Olympic banned iba leader not a medical spokesperson .
This person has competed in every other female event possible including amateur and was allowed to fight in the India championships last year. But was only ruled out of the final after she beat a Russian in the semifinal. Which is when the Russian leader of the iba got involved . So I wont be basing any facts on what he has said |
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say.
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
You are stating they are a male (they are not) and that they shouldn’t be in the Olympics. We are saying when you are on the Olympics panel you can address this. Not that you can’t have an opinion .
You say they are not male.
So you are dismissing what the medical professionals have found after testing this person. As I said before they were tested and found to have XY chromosomes so that makes them as a matter of scientific fact a male. It’s not even debatable it’s an already proven fact after having been tested.
While they may have lived as a female they have all the power, strength and muscle of a man so yes absolutely they should not be in a boxing ring with a woman
You can say “not a male” as much as you want you are simply wrong.
I have provided why I think they are male ……what is your basis of saying they are not male??
You are quoting the Olympic banned iba leader not a medical spokesperson .
This person has competed in every other female event possible including amateur and was allowed to fight in the India championships last year. But was only ruled out of the final after she beat a Russian in the semifinal. Which is when the Russian leader of the iba got involved . So I wont be basing any facts on what he has said "
But again don’t let me push you off the bandwagon before you do some research on the current state of the iba and who their sponsors and friends are |
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
IMO if this boxer can’t be defined as either male or female then the individual should not compete until verification is crystal.
This boxer has been genetically tested and has XY chromosomes (male). While growing up as female from birth due to a medical condition they have all the physical attributes of a man so have no place in any women’s sport let alone a combat sport.
Except they have always been allowed in Olympic sport. And don’t need people on the internet to tell them differnet . When you are part of the panel of the Olympics you can then have your say.
First of all this is a forum so the entire point is people have their say….not sure what you think forums are for 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And on the point I made…..this boxer has been banned for competing before because they failed a gender test (because they are genetically male). Those are fact’s confirmed by medical professionals by the way not my opinion or what I read somewhere.
Strange you post about jumping on bandwagons but yet when presented with confirmed facts then I’m not allowed to have my say unless I’m on the Olympic panel.
Also quite concerning and disturbing that you appear to defend a genetically confirmed male competing against women in a COMBAT sport.
You are stating they are a male (they are not) and that they shouldn’t be in the Olympics. We are saying when you are on the Olympics panel you can address this. Not that you can’t have an opinion .
You say they are not male.
So you are dismissing what the medical professionals have found after testing this person. As I said before they were tested and found to have XY chromosomes so that makes them as a matter of scientific fact a male. It’s not even debatable it’s an already proven fact after having been tested.
While they may have lived as a female they have all the power, strength and muscle of a man so yes absolutely they should not be in a boxing ring with a woman
You can say “not a male” as much as you want you are simply wrong.
I have provided why I think they are male ……what is your basis of saying they are not male??
You are quoting the Olympic banned iba leader not a medical spokesperson .
This person has competed in every other female event possible including amateur and was allowed to fight in the India championships last year. But was only ruled out of the final after she beat a Russian in the semifinal. Which is when the Russian leader of the iba got involved . So I wont be basing any facts on what he has said
But again don’t let me push you off the bandwagon before you do some research on the current state of the iba and who their sponsors and friends are "
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone "
It's a very good question and thread op.
Along with the prejudice toward people who use certain media sources... Mail, telegraph, BBC, YouTube, Facebook, x..the sun, the express, the mirror and so on are all criticised so makes you wonder where all the "special" people who are "right" are going to find their facts and information. |
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone
It's a very good question and thread op.
Along with the prejudice toward people who use certain media sources... Mail, telegraph, BBC, YouTube, Facebook, x..the sun, the express, the mirror and so on are all criticised so makes you wonder where all the "special" people who are "right" are going to find their facts and information. "
Althoug not many examples have been posted. The ones that have and that people believe have all so far had no actual facts proven for them. Which so far is showing that people don’t check things out before stating facts.
It’s a very good insight to how people think these days |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?"
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline "
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present? |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?"
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian. |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian. "
So bandwagon jumping is okay if you can reason it out logically without seeing actual hard facts then? Or, if you don't want to call it bandwagon jumping, just accepting the previously widely accepted majority point of view? |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian.
So bandwagon jumping is okay if you can reason it out logically without seeing actual hard facts then? Or, if you don't want to call it bandwagon jumping, just accepting the previously widely accepted majority point of view?"
The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics |
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"The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics "
But in Russia she was disqualified from competing in the female competitions because of elevated testosterone and XY chromosomes. So at that point the facts as aligned in that version said she was not a female athlete.
Was her gender reinstated on acceptance to the Olympics? When the IBO was coming under fire or when it was dismissed?
(For clarity, as far as I'm concerned, both women disqualified in Russia last year are absolutely women.) |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian.
So bandwagon jumping is okay if you can reason it out logically without seeing actual hard facts then? Or, if you don't want to call it bandwagon jumping, just accepting the previously widely accepted majority point of view?"
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"The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics
But in Russia she was disqualified from competing in the female competitions because of elevated testosterone and XY chromosomes. So at that point the facts as aligned in that version said she was not a female athlete.
Was her gender reinstated on acceptance to the Olympics? When the IBO was coming under fire or when it was dismissed?
(For clarity, as far as I'm concerned, both women disqualified in Russia last year are absolutely women.)"
The iba only banned her once she beat a Russian in the semi finals of the Indian championship. That is a fact it’s on the results. She was perfectly fine until that moment. The Russian IBA president then ruled she was a man and hasn’t published the results. So no she didn’t lose her gender. Which is why she has competed in other competitions since and now at the Olympics. Could you possibly provide the data and the results that the Russian iba president said he has?
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"The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics
But in Russia she was disqualified from competing in the female competitions because of elevated testosterone and XY chromosomes. So at that point the facts as aligned in that version said she was not a female athlete.
Was her gender reinstated on acceptance to the Olympics? When the IBO was coming under fire or when it was dismissed?
(For clarity, as far as I'm concerned, both women disqualified in Russia last year are absolutely women.)
The iba only banned her once she beat a Russian in the semi finals of the Indian championship. That is a fact it’s on the results. She was perfectly fine until that moment. The Russian IBA president then ruled she was a man and hasn’t published the results. So no she didn’t lose her gender. Which is why she has competed in other competitions since and now at the Olympics. Could you possibly provide the data and the results that the Russian iba president said he has?
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"The iba only banned her once she beat a Russian in the semi finals of the Indian championship. That is a fact it’s on the results. She was perfectly fine until that moment. The Russian IBA president then ruled she was a man and hasn’t published the results. So no she didn’t lose her gender. Which is why she has competed in other competitions since and now at the Olympics. Could you possibly provide the data and the results that the Russian iba president said he has?"
Nope. Can you provide the data the Olympic committee used to determine she is female?
Again, for clarity, these women are women. I'm just trying to point out that making what you feel is a reasonable judgement based on the evidence in front of you doesn't often come with cold hard confirmed right before your face facts.
You said she is a woman because the Olympic committee say she is. You obviously have more faith in them than the Russian committees.
Which is absolutely a reasonable approach given what has been witnessed. But. Have you delved into the bias and methods of both sides to get the 100% proven facts as to which is more reliable as a source? Do you have absolute proof beyond any shadow of a doubt? Or are you simply making what you believe to be a reasonable judgement given the information available to you? |
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"The iba only banned her once she beat a Russian in the semi finals of the Indian championship. That is a fact it’s on the results. She was perfectly fine until that moment. The Russian IBA president then ruled she was a man and hasn’t published the results. So no she didn’t lose her gender. Which is why she has competed in other competitions since and now at the Olympics. Could you possibly provide the data and the results that the Russian iba president said he has?
Nope. Can you provide the data the Olympic committee used to determine she is female?
Again, for clarity, these women are women. I'm just trying to point out that making what you feel is a reasonable judgement based on the evidence in front of you doesn't often come with cold hard confirmed right before your face facts.
You said she is a woman because the Olympic committee say she is. You obviously have more faith in them than the Russian committees.
Which is absolutely a reasonable approach given what has been witnessed. But. Have you delved into the bias and methods of both sides to get the 100% proven facts as to which is more reliable as a source? Do you have absolute proof beyond any shadow of a doubt? Or are you simply making what you believe to be a reasonable judgement given the information available to you?"
I’m more than happy to be told otherwise . Like I said I can only go with the facts. Russian hearsay is not a fact . If the next competition find otherwise and publish the data then great I’ll happily stand by it and accept that. But as it stands she’s a female Olympian and has been a female boxer since she was 8 . |
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"I’m more than happy to be told otherwise . Like I said I can only go with the facts. Russian hearsay is not a fact . If the next competition find otherwise and publish the data then great I’ll happily stand by it and accept that. But as it stands she’s a female Olympian and has been a female boxer since she was 8 . "
What facts? All you have is the results of other governing bodies decisions, you know nothing of the actual biology, nor necessarily the criteria or stringency of each governing body to decide that. Russian hearsay had her disqualified from a world title, that's pretty effective for hearsay.
She's being pretty heavily crucified from what I can see. When enough people agree with that does it gain enough authority to become a fact? As long as the next body that says no isn't Russian does it suddenly count?
As actual facts go, pretty much everyone doesn't know shit.
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"Why do people jump on the band waggon so much more these days ? I’m sure it was nowhere near as bad in the last century.
Is it social media being more easy to fool people or is it the constant news thats available 24 hours a day. Or are people just becoming too lazy to do their own research and believe a a quick headline ?
The first band waggon jumping. I can think of was Madeline McCanns parents. Everyone just jumped against them because of the stories from the new 24 hour media and new website Facebook. Then there has been all kinds of things people just jump on and believe after reading a headline . The amount of people that make comment without reading a story scares me. (Most recently the female boxer that people think is a transgender female /man).
Would love to hear from people who only read headlines and make their decisions and comments based on that alone "
Dont think social media is conning people tbh.use genocide in gaza as an example.folk i actually know didnt used to buy a paper or watch the news the think the isreal/gaza conflict started last october anyone with a little bit of knowledge of history can tell you the nakba happened in 1948 after isreal was kindly gifted land by the palestinan people courtesy of uk/us even if you dont know something check it off diffrent sources to make sure ypur getting the truth folk are either lazy or just dont give a fuck first thing they read they take as gospel was actually stunned ie the lack of knowledge about important things like wars and our history |
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I think the bombarding of information and niches they come in - it's more than our poor primate brains can handle. People think access to writing means knowledge or intelligence rather than data (or something less than data) and are desperate to be noticed or feel important. |
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"I think the bombarding of information and niches they come in - it's more than our poor primate brains can handle. People think access to writing means knowledge or intelligence rather than data (or something less than data) and are desperate to be noticed or feel important."
Its not about being intelligent its about seperating fact from fiction amd the data your looking at proccesing it and coming to a correct conclusion i wouldnt say im intelligent but im street smart can tell when something seems like bullshit i can research the data to get the too the outcome |
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"I think the bombarding of information and niches they come in - it's more than our poor primate brains can handle. People think access to writing means knowledge or intelligence rather than data (or something less than data) and are desperate to be noticed or feel important.
Its not about being intelligent its about seperating fact from fiction amd the data your looking at proccesing it and coming to a correct conclusion i wouldnt say im intelligent but im street smart can tell when something seems like bullshit i can research the data to get the too the outcome"
Hmm. I think intelligence is an important part of the process. |
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By *4bimMan 24 weeks ago
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men do it on the forum to gain favour with the op if they are a couple or single women.
they fear being honest or speaking out differently with condemn them to zero meets i.e. cancelled.
they betray themselves for the slightest of odds |
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"I think the bombarding of information and niches they come in - it's more than our poor primate brains can handle. People think access to writing means knowledge or intelligence rather than data (or something less than data) and are desperate to be noticed or feel important.
Its not about being intelligent its about seperating fact from fiction amd the data your looking at proccesing it and coming to a correct conclusion i wouldnt say im intelligent but im street smart can tell when something seems like bullshit i can research the data to get the too the outcome"
And out of interest from where do you assimilate the data you speak of? |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian.
So bandwagon jumping is okay if you can reason it out logically without seeing actual hard facts then? Or, if you don't want to call it bandwagon jumping, just accepting the previously widely accepted majority point of view?
The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics "
It’s actually hilarious that you display complete double standards but you can even see it yourself.
You completely dismiss a governing body of boxing banning someone from competing with your only reasoning for it is that’s it’s some kind of Russian conspiracy. You have absolutely no clue (like anyone else) of the exact rights or wrongs of it but you “jump on the bandwagon” of dismissing it out of hand because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
You are doing exactly what your original post claims others are doing. |
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I would probably call the witch hunts in the dark ages a prime example of jumping on the bandwagon. It’s always been there. It’s just easier to find a bandwagon these days. |
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"Where do you find your 100% provable and accurate facts OP?
The only ones you can say for certain would be ones you have physically seen yourself in person . Other than that you could argue nothing else is a fact. My post was to see what people think is fact and have jumped on that bandwagon. And the posts so far show that people do just believe a headline
But do you know how to identify an XY chromosome yourself, or would you just still be taking someone else's word for it as to whether or not it's present?
Nope wouldn’t have a clue. Same as everyone else here. But no one has shown that the person does have both. And she is in the Olympics. So until proven otherwise she is in my eyes a female Olympian.
So bandwagon jumping is okay if you can reason it out logically without seeing actual hard facts then? Or, if you don't want to call it bandwagon jumping, just accepting the previously widely accepted majority point of view?
The bandwagon on this is that everyone presumed she was a male or trans or has an xy chromosome . You can’t jump on a bandwagon of something that is already happening such as she’s competing in the Olympics as a female. Because that is a fact. She is competing in the female Olympics
It’s actually hilarious that you display complete double standards but you can even see it yourself.
You completely dismiss a governing body of boxing banning someone from competing with your only reasoning for it is that’s it’s some kind of Russian conspiracy. You have absolutely no clue (like anyone else) of the exact rights or wrongs of it but you “jump on the bandwagon” of dismissing it out of hand because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
You are doing exactly what your original post claims others are doing. "
Do we have to go over the same circles as yesterday. This post was about why people believe certain things when there are no facts.
There are facts in this case the person is boxing as a female in the Olympics(fact) There are no facts to support the banned IBA results. Just claims from their leader who called the woman a pig that needs to live on a pig farm on the IBA Twitter page. You have jumped on the bandwagon of something that isn’t based on facts.
I want to know why you believe this , why do you believe a banned Russian governing body?
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"I want to know why you believe this , why do you believe a banned Russian governing body?
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Why do you believe an Olympic committee who outsource their testing standards to smaller bodies specific to the sport who are not demonstrably different to the IBA prior to this kickoff? |
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By *ags73Man 24 weeks ago
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Saw the stuff with the boxing
Saw a lot of stuff on Twitter, most sensible was saying the boxing federation take a different view on the competitor to Olympics, although obviously a lot not sensible too
Then it was the stuff on Phelps and unnatural human advantage stuff which is a different argument in a way
You could literally disappear up your own arsehole if you read and reacted without trying to see where facts are |
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"I want to know why you believe this , why do you believe a banned Russian governing body?
Why do you believe an Olympic committee who outsource their testing standards to smaller bodies specific to the sport who are not demonstrably different to the IBA prior to this kickoff?"
I said to you before I can’t say for sure .
But the she has been in every competition possible as a female before that semifinal happened. Through lots of tests and only then it was a problem. My reasons for believing the Olympics is they have an ethical code which is backed by hundreds of countries. The IBA does not. And is breaking rules and ethics set up by the vast majority of the world. Hence why most counties now boycott the IBA. And for a leader of a governing body to publicly shame athletes and name call them doesn’t bode well for its integrity
Why are you on the she’s a man bandwagon ? What drives you to believe this ? |
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"I want to know why you believe this , why do you believe a banned Russian governing body?
Why do you believe an Olympic committee who outsource their testing standards to smaller bodies specific to the sport who are not demonstrably different to the IBA prior to this kickoff?
I said to you before I can’t say for sure .
But the she has been in every competition possible as a female before that semifinal happened. Through lots of tests and only then it was a problem. My reasons for believing the Olympics is they have an ethical code which is backed by hundreds of countries. The IBA does not. And is breaking rules and ethics set up by the vast majority of the world. Hence why most counties now boycott the IBA. And for a leader of a governing body to publicly shame athletes and name call them doesn’t bode well for its integrity
Why are you on the she’s a man bandwagon ? What drives you to believe this ? "
As I have repeatedly stated, she is obviously a woman.
The point is simply the claim of only believing the facts. When in fact, it's simply interpreting the integrity and likelihood of the claims and opinions put in front of you. We have no access to any actual facts about any of it. |
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It’s more about education than intelligence. You need intelligence to absorb and act on your education but without the education, intelligence is an advantage but it won’t help you accurately differentiate quality information and come to reasonable conclusions. You can be super smart but not figure out all the logical fallacies without education. They took generations to develop.
So many people believe they are intelligent and that they can’t be fooled. Re-evaluate your position continually, keep making sure your opinions still stack up, figure out what it would take for you to stop believing your fundamental principles and go look for those things. Don’t look for confirmation, look for the opposite, try to find the flaws in your positions. If you can do that consistently and change your position when new information demands, it will be harder to take the wrong path. |
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I think the very fact it's called jumping on a band wagon indicates it's an age old thing. Lets think lynchings and other such awful things. Someone says someone done jury their woman and all of a sudden the whole town is after them.
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"WITCH...WITCH Nothing new here,, just people being people."
I beg to differ. The vested interests easily influencing and manipulating others is as you say not new. The extremes, the ease, the ignorance and the technology being used, the reach is new. We can manage it better but are choosing not to. People like to be led. In a vacuum it's not a surprise those with extreme views have opportunities. |
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With regards to the boxer, I haven't watched the news, watched any of the Olympics etc, I just go on the daily mail and read the headlines so I did make that assumption and then I educated myself after reading bits and bobs on here.
So many people are quick to judge but then with social media outlets reporting 24/7 it's a natural thing to do for a large proportion of people, I used to be one but now I try and find out facts now before jumping to conclusions.
Talking of bandwagons, I'm a big fan of TT, passes the time but the amount of videos I am seeing about the riots, taking the piss out of them is quite alarming, that there is folk quite simply making videos out there (just long enough to make some money I might add) parodying what's going on and I find that upsetting tbh. |
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