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"Think there maybe a wider reason for the protest it self relating to the person who committed the acts and the public and decided / understand the only way to be heard now is through acts of violence and disorder. We have seen it over other summers for different reasons and for the past two years at least constantly protests allowed to go ahead that we know will turn violent and so now everyone who wants their voice heard thinks this is the way forward. " Oh! That’s ok then. | |||
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"Think there maybe a wider reason for the protest it self relating to the person who committed the acts and the public and decided / understand the only way to be heard now is through acts of violence and disorder. We have seen it over other summers for different reasons and for the past two years at least constantly protests allowed to go ahead that we know will turn violent and so now everyone who wants their voice heard thinks this is the way forward. " In most protests 90% of the people are there to make a point, You will always get Knobheads kicking off and making it about them | |||
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"What's the wider reason?" Racism, xenophobia, being fed a false narrative by people who should no better (but are using a situation for their own ends), ignorance and boredom. | |||
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"Think there maybe a wider reason for the protest it self relating to the person who committed the acts and the public and decided / understand the only way to be heard now is through acts of violence and disorder. We have seen it over other summers for different reasons and for the past two years at least constantly protests allowed to go ahead that we know will turn violent and so now everyone who wants their voice heard thinks this is the way forward. Oh! That’s ok then. " nope not ok at all but unfortunately we allowing what we have allowed in the way of protests for the last 4 maybe 5 years has lead to this out breaks | |||
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"What's the wider reason? Racism, xenophobia, being fed a false narrative by people who should no*** better (but are using a situation for their own ends), ignorance and boredom." ^ ***know not no (bugger!) | |||
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"What's the wider reason?" so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it. "They like to fight maybe ,football hooligans ,any excuse to run riot ,they exist in all towns . | |||
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"What's the wider reason? so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen " How could it have been prevented? | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here " did you watch any of the live streams any of the videos all honestly say I belive all those people where local and pretty local | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it." well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here did you watch any of the live streams any of the videos all honestly say I belive all those people where local and pretty local " Oh good. You will be passing their identities to the police then I gather ? | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here " Far left? | |||
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"What's the wider reason? Racism, xenophobia, being fed a false narrative by people who should no better (but are using a situation for their own ends), ignorance and boredom." Plus wanting to believe the false narrative, not pausing to check or verify the false narrative. | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " You don’t know this though. He’s been named on social media and ‘facts’ shared around with NO idea whether it’s true or not. Anyone sharing his alleged name and details have all played their part in inciting the racial hatred and violence that occurred last night. Three children died and other children and adults are fighting for their lives and yet people used it for their own agenda. It’s disgraceful and it makes me feel ashamed of our country. | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here Far left? " Well documented that it was the exact opposite, EDL, far right | |||
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"Think there maybe a wider reason for the protest it self relating to the person who committed the acts and the public and decided / understand the only way to be heard now is through acts of violence and disorder. We have seen it over other summers for different reasons and for the past two years at least constantly protests allowed to go ahead that we know will turn violent and so now everyone who wants their voice heard thinks this is the way forward. In most protests 90% of the people are there to make a point, You will always get Knobheads kicking off and making it about them" This wasn’t a “protest”, it was an organised riot | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it. They like to fight maybe ,football hooligans ,any excuse to run riot ,they exist in all towns ."What makes you say football hooligans? Anything to back that claim up ? | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here Far left? Well documented that it was the exact opposite, EDL, far right " Beg pardon Jimmy ....... you are right. I meant far right but in a hurried moment made a typo . Thanks for pointing that out. | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here did you watch any of the live streams any of the videos all honestly say I belive all those people where local and pretty local Oh good. You will be passing their identities to the police then I gather ? " I won’t need to do that it’s all there in film for them??? | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here " It appears to have been far right, not far left | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " You are talking nonsense.. In the UK it's MI5 who deal with domestic terrorism.. You got that falsehood from the bogus 'news website's that put out the a name which hasn't been confirmed as he's under 18 plus that he was a boat person when he was born in Cardiff.. | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ?" er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? | |||
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"Sorry to be a Debbie downer but I see more of this coming in August...riots I mean" Are you Mystic Meg now ? Best not to catastrophise , hey ? | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " Where did you get that information from? | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? " I have to go out and I can only be grateful for that You are talking total bullshit m8. What scares me is your age ..... i could take this uninformed shite from a teen but your profile suggests you are adult. Ive gone. | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? " The met have no input, he's under 18 so no police force or media outlet here can give out certain information as it's unlawful to do so.. | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " The public? | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here Far left? Well documented that it was the exact opposite, EDL, far right Beg pardon Jimmy ....... you are right. I meant far right but in a hurried moment made a typo . Thanks for pointing that out." No probs granny. Very sad situation, these yobs opportunistically seizing on the situation for their own aims. | |||
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"What were they protesting? " I think 99% of them didn't know. | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? " The Met police don’t cover the area, and have not named the suspect. They can’t, at the moment, as he is under 18. | |||
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"What were they protesting? " It wasn’t a protest. It was an organised riot | |||
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" What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? " Which Met is this? Because the London police force has nothing to do with an incident in Southport being dealt with by the Merseyside police. | |||
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" What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? Which Met is this? Because the London police force has nothing to do with an incident in Southport being dealt with by the Merseyside police. " Correct. The Met have nothing to do with this, and neither they nor any other police force has named the suspect. | |||
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"Agitators organising and stirring up a mix of disenfranchised communities, kids looking for cheap thrills and criminals. Completely diluting any genuine concerns and points of the local community. And terrorising and disrupting those they claim to be representing and protecting. All for their own gains and agenda. We have seen it more and more over here recently ans across Europe. These fucks care not one bit about the actual innocent lives lost." What this chaps says. Hits the nail on the head. | |||
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"Agitators organising and stirring up a mix of disenfranchised communities, kids looking for cheap thrills and criminals. Completely diluting any genuine concerns and points of the local community. And terrorising and disrupting those they claim to be representing and protecting. All for their own gains and agenda. We have seen it more and more over here recently ans across Europe. These fucks care not one bit about the actual innocent lives lost." Agreed, to them the loss of innocent children is purely an opportunity to further spread hatred and division.. | |||
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"Think there maybe a wider reason for the protest it self relating to the person who committed the acts and the public and decided / understand the only way to be heard now is through acts of violence and disorder. We have seen it over other summers for different reasons and for the past two years at least constantly protests allowed to go ahead that we know will turn violent and so now everyone who wants their voice heard thinks this is the way forward. Oh! That’s ok then. nope not ok at all but unfortunately we allowing what we have allowed in the way of protests for the last 4 maybe 5 years has lead to this out breaks " To be fair the point is real. We were chatting at work about how the right to free speech which is a tenet of civilised society (apparently) will always be used as a weapon of extremists. | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. " Like toddlers throwing a tantrum because they don't understand? | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. " True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence. | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. Like toddlers throwing a tantrum because they don't understand?" … and the toddlers being angry because somebody told them something that isn’t true | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence. " 
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others.. | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others.."What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation. | |||
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"What's the wider reason? so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen How could it have been prevented? " Social media not reporting lies about the guys religion and where he observed his faith would have helped. And trouble making bell ends not believing it. I read a report that said he's not a Moslem and not a member of that mosque. | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others..
What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation. "In any ongoing investigation, police are limited in what information they can release, especially when the offender is a minor. I'm not sure what else we need to know at this time, except the offender has been arrested and there is a current investigation. A further male has been arrested, who was in possession of a bladed article, also under investigation. Neither of these arrests are justification for the violence and destruction imported to an area like Southport. | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
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Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others..
What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation. "I'd read a report that the poulce issued a statement stating the motive was unknown and outlining the general situation. I'm not sure what else could have been released until an actual investigation took place? | |||
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"What's the wider reason?" two tier policing. It appears that some protests/violent protests are treated very different from others…. | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here " I don't understand any of this but I’m gonna guess it’s one those subjects that the ‘British’ you cannot bring themselves to say or talk about. It happens all the time in the UK. The huge rise in TB…. Just saying it makes you a racist | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others..
What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation.
In any ongoing investigation, police are limited in what information they can release, especially when the offender is a minor.
I'm not sure what else we need to know at this time, except the offender has been arrested and there is a current investigation.
A further male has been arrested, who was in possession of a bladed article, also under investigation.
Neither of these arrests are justification for the violence and destruction imported to an area like Southport.
"I agree that there are good reasons for police not revealing information more quickly, and I understand that their hands are tied further due to the offender being a minor, but it is galling how easy it is for agitators to exploit this delay, and how huge the delay is … the agitators still have an open goal to aim at today, spreading more rumours, lies and disinformation | |||
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"What's the wider reason? two tier policing. It appears that some protests/violent protests are treated very different from others…." The attack on a mosque was not “a protest” though, was it! | |||
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"What's the wider reason? so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen How could it have been prevented? Social media not reporting lies about the guys religion and where he observed his faith would have helped. And trouble making bell ends not believing it. I read a report that said he's not a Moslem and not a member of that mosque. " Agreed I was really asking how the person who posted that comment thought the original awful incident could have been prevented. I see a lot of this kind of post around incidents like this. Vague inferences and statements of the obvious such as 'its a situation that potentially should never have been allowed to happen '. I rarely receive an answer when I ask how it (in this case the horrible stabbings) could have been prevented. | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it. "The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old. | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old. "Don't tell me there are photos circulating now  | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. " Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old. "It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant | |||
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"What's the wider reason? so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen How could it have been prevented? Social media not reporting lies about the guys religion and where he observed his faith would have helped. And trouble making bell ends not believing it. I read a report that said he's not a Moslem and not a member of that mosque. " It's time to come down hard on social media and the idiots that use it to spread lies and stir up hatred.. It's fucking heartbreaking and I have no words to describe how awful it is. | |||
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"Misinformation is spreading hatred and ignorance." Yeah. I'm sad and I think I'll stop reading this. It's frightening me | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment " wonderful, u know who’s on the various watch lists then do u?! Wow. The amount of people who believe in absolute bullshit | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant "You don't even know if the photo is him  | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
Don't tell me there are photos circulating now "The police have repeatedly pointed out that the photo and name being suggested put on social media is NOT the accused | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old. "Hi. Given that the police have not released pics or name of the offender, how confident are you that the pic too have seen is legit? Where did you see it? How reliable is that source? | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it?" I didn’t say it caused the stabbings but it’s a general statement of how many feel. Myself I speak to a lot of people in my job with a wide range of topics and so far absolutely no ones views differ from mine and I never bring them up so not leading people on. Fact there is a monster problem coming luckily for myself I will probably pushing daisies up by then but I feel very sorry for my son. | |||
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"Misinformation is spreading hatred and ignorance. Yeah. I'm sad and I think I'll stop reading this. It's frightening me" Mob rule is on the rise. Misinformation is relied on as fact. We should all be frightened. | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it?" The stabbing of the man in army uniform, the incident in Manchester airport, the rioters in Leeds and now the Southport situation has just given the “far right” there reason to riot | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
Don't tell me there are photos circulating now
The police have repeatedly pointed out that the photo and name being suggested put on social media is NOT the accused "But people are believing that it is. This is what scares me. | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant "So … you’re suggesting that he is an immigrant, stating that immigrants lie about their ages (I didn’t), and suggesting that the police might he lying about him being born in the UK. I see! | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? I didn’t say it caused the stabbings but it’s a general statement of how many feel. Myself I speak to a lot of people in my job with a wide range of topics and so far absolutely no ones views differ from mine and I never bring them up so not leading people on. Fact there is a monster problem coming luckily for myself I will probably pushing daisies up by then but I feel very sorry for my son. " I still don't see what that has to do with the incident Southport where three small children were killed and others seriously injured. Unless people are deliberately weaponising other people's tragedy for their own ends. | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? The stabbing of the man in army uniform, the incident in Manchester airport, the rioters in Leeds and now the Southport situation has just given the “far right” there reason to riot " Please explain how the Southport incident has given a reason to riot. | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? The stabbing of the man in army uniform, the incident in Manchester airport, the rioters in Leeds and now the Southport situation has just given the “far right” there reason to riot " I genuinely have no idea why the far right are using the Southport incident as a reason to riot. I know why they *think* it's a good idea | |||
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others..
What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation. "Because of the age of the person yes, toes their hands to a point but I do wonder if anything they might put out now would be believed by some.. | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
You don't even know if the photo is him
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
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"Many people are being groomed to not use rational thinking. The anger within is fueled and after very emotional events they react rather than take time to calm their emotions and wait for facts. True. And agitators have identified that period (before official announcements are made) as the sweet spot to spread disinformation and incite violence.
Practised and organised..
Even false information easily confirmed to be wrong is swallowed an regurgitated to incite others..
What doesn’t help is radio silence from police and authorities, gives the agitators a vacuum to fill with their “rumours” and disinformation. "ideally the great British public should be adult enough to wait for details to come out. Ideally they are adult enough not to riot regardless. And ideally adult enough to not take knives to a town mourning knife violence. But I'd disagree there is radio silence. We know the age, birth town and parents nationality. That's a lot of information. We don't know his religion, but it says a lot about mindset that is desired. But Rwanda is 98pc Christian. However given history etc it may be that someone leaving Rwanda is more likely to be Muslim. If you riot because you believe a random tweet, that is since shown to be false, and/or because you are guessing a religion based on parents nationality, that's squarely on your shoulders imo. | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
You don't even know if the photo is him
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
So … you’re suggesting that he is an immigrant, stating that immigrants lie about their ages (I didn’t), and suggesting that the police might he lying about him being born in the UK.
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
It’s quite common for male immigrants to lie about their age but if it’s true about him being born in Wales his age will be correct so how old he looks is irrelevant
You don't even know if the photo is him
I did say "if" the photo is real.
… but you have been told that it isn’t.
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? I didn’t say it caused the stabbings but it’s a general statement of how many feel. Myself I speak to a lot of people in my job with a wide range of topics and so far absolutely no ones views differ from mine and I never bring them up so not leading people on. Fact there is a monster problem coming luckily for myself I will probably pushing daisies up by then but I feel very sorry for my son. I still don't see what that has to do with the incident Southport where three small children were killed and others seriously injured. Unless people are deliberately weaponising other people's tragedy for their own ends. " They will happily use the deaths of innocent people to agitate and spread extremism and division but that's the case also as we've seen in areas of conflict globally and attacks in other countries.. | |||
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"It’s a wider thing with how people feel what’s happening to thing country and the religion that’s causing it. Then mob mentality takes over hence the damage. There is a monster problem coming in the next 10/20years. Can you explain how religion caused those stabbings and why people felt the need to riot due to it? The stabbing of the man in army uniform, the incident in Manchester airport, the rioters in Leeds and now the Southport situation has just given the “far right” there reason to riot Please explain how the Southport incident has given a reason to riot. " I said their reason to riot. Not mine | |||
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"Because far left political groups do not concern themselves with the needs of the general public or grieving parents. They use the opportunity of heightened emotions to inflame situations for their own cause. They were not from here did you watch any of the live streams any of the videos all honestly say I belive all those people where local and pretty local " People were arriving on trains, full of booze, throughout the day. The vast majority were NOT local. They were drafted in by the Yaxley-Lennon crowd stirring up shite online. | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque?" I think we all know why. | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? I think we all know why. " The thugs don't have the cojones to be so explicit, though. | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? I think we all know why. The thugs don't have the cojones to be so explicit, though. " No they don't. At least if you come right out and say in a reasons and calm mannerthat you believe immigration and Islam to be the cause of what happened in Southport others have the opportunity to explain why they believe that it isn't. Both sides can then present well verified *facts* gained from credible sources to support their views.  honestly what am I thinking | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque?" Apparently some website published some fake news and some wannabe hard nuts jumped at the chance to "reclaim England" I think the biggest question is why are so many (mainly) white English so disenfranchised and angry and why are so many of them turning to hooliganism and extremists for answers? | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque?" Did you see any of the articles last night in the MEN reporting on the riot?? Christ the comments were terrifying!!! So many ignorant people cheering them on demanding they ‘take our country back’ it scared the shit out if me. This blind hatred is everywhere. | |||
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"Sad to see the state of affairs we are currently in between the recently Yorkshire riots, the Southport incident and follow on riots and the horrendous scenes in Southend. It’s been brewing a while and this doesn’t look like stopping any time soon. Hopefully calmer heads and common sense prevail but im not holding out any hope." I think it's going to be a worrying few months yet.. | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? Apparently some website published some fake news and some wannabe hard nuts jumped at the chance to "reclaim England" I think the biggest question is why are so many (mainly) white English so disenfranchised and angry and why are so many of them turning to hooliganism and extremists for answers?" That may be so but last night was not the time | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? Did you see any of the articles last night in the MEN reporting on the riot?? Christ the comments were terrifying!!! So many ignorant people cheering them on demanding they ‘take our country back’ it scared the shit out if me. This blind hatred is everywhere." I've avoided the MEN because the comments are usually terrifying | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? Apparently some website published some fake news and some wannabe hard nuts jumped at the chance to "reclaim England" I think the biggest question is why are so many (mainly) white English so disenfranchised and angry and why are so many of them turning to hooliganism and extremists for answers?" Because (and I am saying this with my tongue RAMMED into my cheek) : "all the immigrants coming over here, taking away our jobs and our "British" way of life. The police/government aren't doing anything - let's go sort them out ourselves, get rid of some of them"
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Can we just put all the muppets who have this mentality on an island somewhere and let them duke it out amongst themselves?! Darwin's Law of Evolution (and don't let the "victors" return!!)
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it. "You really believe that this guy woke up Monday morning abd did not plan this the scum been radicalized You need to wake up | |||
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"The rioter getting hit in the head,chest and then nuts is the funniest thing I've seen in years " My colleague has just shown me it, I did laugh | |||
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"88% of Rwandan people state they are Christian, slightly more Protestant than Catholic. Why did the thugs attack a mosque? Apparently some website published some fake news and some wannabe hard nuts jumped at the chance to "reclaim England" I think the biggest question is why are so many (mainly) white English so disenfranchised and angry and why are so many of them turning to hooliganism and extremists for answers? That may be so but last night was not the time " Agreed 💯 Violence is no answer or solution to anything and the level of Islamophobia is worrying. I do worry that if people's grievances aren't addressed they become turned by extremists and bigots. | |||
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"The rioter getting hit in the head,chest and then nuts is the funniest thing I've seen in years My colleague has just shown me it, I did laugh "I've just seen this on X, hilarious. It's vile that this has happened, certain figures online, have been shown to have given false info on the suspect and this had no doubt fuelled the fire. | |||
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"You really believe that this guy woke up Monday morning abd did not plan this the scum been radicalized You need to wake up " Erm... sometimes people just snap. Things aren't always planned. (Unlike the morons smashing up the place, which was absolutely planned) | |||
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"Sorry to be a Debbie downer but I see more of this coming in August...riots I mean" I really want you to be wrong. Not because your thinking is faulty, it's not: nobody needs to live through the hell that's happened lately over several locations. The fact that your house, cars and businesses could get burnt down and your insurance companies will just say "We don't pay out for riots etc" is adding insult to injury. | |||
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"You really believe that this guy woke up Monday morning abd did not plan this the scum been radicalized You need to wake up Erm... sometimes people just snap. Things aren't always planned. (Unlike the morons smashing up the place, which was absolutely planned)" No one snaps like that it’s been pre planned as he know times etc Insult to the children if you defend him head wobble time for you aways replace a broken windows or two | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. " the police were on alert on Southport. Both from the attack and from the almost inevitable reaction. Leeds was more unexpected and smaller spark. The reports I've seen are a man was arrested with a switch knife. Nothing on religion. Indeed there has been nothing on religion full stop other than people throwing it out there. Machetes were being reported a something separate. | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. " U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? | |||
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"The gang culture is also getting out of hand, Not for the first time Men/kids fighting with weapons blades etc, the prisons at 98% capacity and now they’re giving early release to around 5000, You could probably round up more then that and fill the cells back to capacity, That Southend fight was terrifying " Isn't the Southend tear up a bit of a traditional thing? | |||
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"The only good thing to come out of this tragic attack is the amount of money raised for The Alder Hay hospital so far £275,000 Well done the ordinary public " | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person " Where has anyone supported the actions of the perpetrator? Nowhere. One can simultaneously be appalled at his actions AND be appalled at the rioters. Both are wrong. | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? " Who stabbbed a solider70 times last week do you know what side of the fence is was also from | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? Who stabbbed a solider70 times last week do you know what side of the fence is was also from " I'm aware. But what does that have to do with Southport? Why come on trains, d*unk, and tear up a town that's trying to come to terms with an appalling tragedy?? | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person Where has anyone supported the actions of the perpetrator? Nowhere. One can simultaneously be appalled at his actions AND be appalled at the rioters. Both are wrong. " Noooo, on fab you have to be one or the other 🤣🤣 Mr | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? Who stabbbed a solider70 times last week do you know what side of the fence is was also from " I would say he's on the side of the criminally minded fence, is that what you mean? | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it. "Arrest them all particularly the organisers Long stretch in prison whether they are black ,brown or white. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person " No one has defended him, not in here or on the politics forum where there's been several threads.. Absolutely no one.. Saying that the lies have been spread by those who seek to cause violence on the back of the deaths of the poor kids is truly vile.. | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? Who stabbbed a solider70 times last week do you know what side of the fence is was also from " The Broadmoor side of the fence soon.... Mr | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person " noone is supporting him. People are just saying we don't know his religion. We dont know his motivations. The crime was horrific and he should face the full severity of the law. The rioting was also bad and should face consequences. | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? " So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views) | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views)" Horrific crimes are committed by people of all religions and none. The Plymouth shooter was white British, he shot children too. Why was there no riot about his actions? The guy who shot Jo Cox again, white British. We have no idea if the perpetrator of the Southport attacks is religious and if he is, what religion he follows. What I do know is that 88% of Rwandans are Christian. Believe it or not, skin colour is independent of religious affiliation. One can be black or brown skinned and be Christian or have zero religious convictions. Regarding his age, he was born in the UK so his birth record is a matter of public knowledge if you know his name. Former neighbours in Cardiff have corroborated things about the family and I'm sure they would have said something if the age was somehow being misrepresented. The guy is 17, therefore legally, cannot be named unless a judge decides otherwise. This applies to ANY person U18, irrespective of skin colour, nationality, religious background or whatever. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts." History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views)" which reports? And why do you give them any credence above the police ? Also, there are enough attacks in US to make me think this is possible with all religions, or at least Christians. Also, Dublane. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately " And this sentence is a HUGE part of the issue. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately And this sentence is a HUGE part of the issue. " Truth hurting you Good day | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately " Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. " Since 2001 remember that year most terriost have been part of one religion take you rose tinted glasses off | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately And this sentence is a HUGE part of the issue. Truth hurting you Good day " You dont even know if this boy is religious!! 🤣 your argument is bonkers. And racist. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. Since 2001 remember that year most terriost have been part of one religion take you rose tinted glasses off " history doesn't start at 2001. Have most recent terror attacks been by Muslim factions. Probably yes (not all, and CTU have eyes on more than just Muslims, and have fooled non Muslim attacks). But that wasn't how you stated your position. And we dont know religion or mortives of this attack, so it's early doors to even start this conversation without introducing some hint of prejudgement. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. Since 2001 remember that year most terriost have been part of one religion take you rose tinted glasses off " Again, you are ignoring terrorism committed by other groups. It's happened. Several times. Look it up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain Islamic extremists are definitely high up on the list, but the current highest level threat as determined by our security services is from right wing and misogynistic extremists, like the ones seen in Southport. We have zero evidence that Islam has anything whatsoever to do with the Southport attack moreover, the likelihood of a person of Rwandan background being Muslim is very low. Islam accounts for about 2% of Rwandan religious observance. Anyone who knows anything about Rwanda as a country will know this, though. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately And this sentence is a HUGE part of the issue. Truth hurting you Good day You dont even know if this boy is religious!! 🤣 your argument is bonkers. And racist." Yep. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. Since 2001 remember that year most terriost have been part of one religion take you rose tinted glasses off Again, you are ignoring terrorism committed by other groups. It's happened. Several times. Look it up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain Islamic extremists are definitely high up on the list, but the current highest level threat as determined by our security services is from right wing and misogynistic extremists, like the ones seen in Southport. We have zero evidence that Islam has anything whatsoever to do with the Southport attack moreover, the likelihood of a person of Rwandan background being Muslim is very low. Islam accounts for about 2% of Rwandan religious observance. Anyone who knows anything about Rwanda as a country will know this, though. " Do you know how easy it is to change your religion and confuse the status quo eye witness say the guy looked more 25 plus then a teen We will wait and see what mental health statement the police produce to satisfy the majority | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views)" Early reports are the young man who attacked the children is a Christian. What else have you got? | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. Since 2001 remember that year most terriost have been part of one religion take you rose tinted glasses off Again, you are ignoring terrorism committed by other groups. It's happened. Several times. Look it up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain Islamic extremists are definitely high up on the list, but the current highest level threat as determined by our security services is from right wing and misogynistic extremists, like the ones seen in Southport. We have zero evidence that Islam has anything whatsoever to do with the Southport attack moreover, the likelihood of a person of Rwandan background being Muslim is very low. Islam accounts for about 2% of Rwandan religious observance. Anyone who knows anything about Rwanda as a country will know this, though. Do you know how easy it is to change your religion and confuse the status quo eye witness say the guy looked more 25 plus then a teen We will wait and see what mental health statement the police produce to satisfy the majority " he was born in the UK. I'm assuming he has a birth certificate etc. What does it matter how old he looks like if we have records ? And now you seem to be suggesting that the majority of Rwandans in Rwanda are making up what religion they follow. He may be Muslim. However there is very little to support this. Unless you believe that ALL horrific attacks are commited by Muslims. | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views) Early reports are the young man who attacked the children is a Christian. What else have you got? Could the police can says or make up whatever they wish or not if not things could become very difficult As I said before recent terrorist events normal points to one direction does it not " what makes this terrorist? The motive is unclear. Maybe a recent read across is the Plymouth shootings ... | |||
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"They didn't destroy their own community, it seems it was people from outside all whipped up to go to Southport to "protest" The residents in that street must have been terrified. Happily the residents and people of southport have joined forces to clean the mess up including firms coming in to build the walls that were taken down to use as weapons." The video of the residents rebuilding the wall at the most got me, I can’t lie 🥹 | |||
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"They didn't destroy their own community, it seems it was people from outside all whipped up to go to Southport to "protest" The residents in that street must have been terrified. Happily the residents and people of southport have joined forces to clean the mess up including firms coming in to build the walls that were taken down to use as weapons." PS To use these poor childrens murders as an excuse to do this is a disgrace. | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. " | |||
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"They didn't destroy their own community, it seems it was people from outside all whipped up to go to Southport to "protest" The residents in that street must have been terrified. Happily the residents and people of southport have joined forces to clean the mess up including firms coming in to build the walls that were taken down to use as weapons. The video of the residents rebuilding the wall at the most got me, I can’t lie 🥹" Me too. a building firm sent in their workforce to help, the owner of the funfair was there with his workers, when they realised they had enough people to help those who were surplus brought drinks for the helpers. These are the real residents, not the thugs we saw last night | |||
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"I woukd raster be Right then support a terriost who will claim mental heath I lefties have no a clue abd showing little respect for them poor children how can you defend that vile person You’re the one creating the narrative of who he is and what he stands for. You nor annybody else has any real idea why he made the decision he did and that’s what scaremongers the mobs into violence. No ‘wske up’ needed. Wait for the boy to face the courts. History states one relegion seems to create terrorists unfortunately Is that a fact?! No terrorism has ever happened to be carried out by people of a different religion or no religion?? I think the victims of multiple mass shootings would disagree with you. I think the Dunblane families would disagree. The parents of the children killed in Warrington by the IRA disagree, as does the population of Manchester (April '96, IRA again). The IRA committed more terrorist attacks on British soil than any other organisation and I believe they are generally Catholic. There have also been a large number of terrorist attacks committed on British soil by Loyalist paramilitaries, who are Protestant. Look beyond the end of your nose. "It's almost like oppression and conflict created by those in power creates terrorism. Rather than the religion someone is born into... | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views) Early reports are the young man who attacked the children is a Christian. What else have you got? Could the police can says or make up whatever they wish or not if not things could become very difficult As I said before recent terrorist events normal points to one direction does it not " Ah yes. Making things up to suit an agenda. I'd suggest a mirror... | |||
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"The violence displayed last night by people, many of whom were too cowardly to even show their faces, was disrespectful in the extreme. Whatever point they were making and I doubt many of them could tell you how the horrible events were related to that, yesterday was not the time to be making it. well I think the public may feel that someone in the M16 watch list should not maybe have been walking around so freely and should definitely not been able to enter such a establishment What evidence FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE do you have to say that this boy was on an m16 watch list ? er because they met have said he was and named him. I mean am I now saying we should not believe what the MET have said ??? " The police havn't named him | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old. "The photo doing the rounds is of a man who was arrested in 2019 for something and was 31 at the time. We shouldn't believe everything that is posted on line | |||
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"Following the awful tragedy that took place in Southport, a vigil to remember the victims of this horrendous tragedy was hijacked by thugs resulting in 39 police officers being injured as well as 3 police dogs. Peoples garden walls were vandalised in order to get bricks to throw at police, and ordinary residents cars were damaged and set on fire. I seriously cannot understand what the mentality of this barbaric act was meant to achieve. The suspect is in custody and has no links to any extremist organisation that has been mentioned. So why destroy the local community whilst they themselves are trying to come to terms with this awful tragedy? Why set upon the police, ordinary people just doing a not particularly well paid job? I just don’t get it.
The far right arrive in Southport. An organised riot. Destroying people's properties. I bet most of the ignorant scum had no idea why they were there. Innocent little lives lost. They think the answer is to smash the place up and the cops. Unbelievable. They should crawl back into their holes. I'm no lefty woke. I'd bring the death penalty back for instances such as this. I despise the "boy" who did this who if the photo I've seen is real he looks about thirty years old.
The photo doing the rounds is of a man who was arrested in 2019 for something and was 31 at the time. We shouldn't believe everything that is posted on line"please don't let facts get in the way of my pitchforks. Also, did this thread reduce on length ? | |||
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"What I can't get my head around is the narrative being spun about the attacker ?. Born in Cardiff 17yrs old (can't be named ) and no religion or motives ?. Clearly the authorities and powers to be are trying thire very best to suppress the truth by feed us bullshit ?. So what gets me is 2 weeks ago In Leeds when the riots were going on police run away from the roman gypsies and Muslims for fear of engaging in full on riot. And for their safety? But what happened in Southportladt night? The police were out in force, full riot gear, and were very engaging with the community. Also, wasn't a Muslim man arrested prior to the vigil with a balaclava and machete?. 2 tier policing is clearly evident when it comes to religion. U18s cannot be named by law unless a judge decides. What religion is the suspect? Please advise. What did Islam actually have to do with the events in Southport? So there's a question mark over his alleged age some reports are saying he is 19 ? If this is true why are they lying about his age ? I didn't say what religion he is ? And do you seriously think a Catholic a Christian a budust or a Sikh would commit this kind of act ? This was not a random attack this was planned and pre meditated (my views) Early reports are the young man who attacked the children is a Christian. What else have you got? Could the police can says or make up whatever they wish or not if not things could become very difficult As I said before recent terrorist events normal points to one direction does it not Ah yes. Making things up to suit an agenda. I'd suggest a mirror..." Agree ppl just trying to make there own narrative 2 tier policing and media They are clearly trying to cover things up James Bulger was named Shamima Begum was also born in the united kingdom London The second any white British person protests or says anything they are far right | |||
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"What's the wider reason? so I think the wider issue the public has is that it’s a situation that potentially should never been allowed to happen How could it have been prevented? " Better policing of social media on the internet. | |||
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