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By *hagTonight OP Man 22 weeks ago
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Continue here, it was interesting seeing the replies. I was listening to someone talking how the police was respected in the 60s and 70s, where he said how one didnt dare to do anything wrong and if you did and the police told you of for it.
He gave an example where he trimmed his motorcycle and the police cought him on the bike and said dont do that again, he said ok officer in a dampened respected voice and walked home with it and never did it again.
You respected what they said, even the signs with a police holding his hand in a stop position in the parks and other places dont go here, you respected that.
What is your view about it, can the police regain respect again? I think that they can, but there would be a lot of work to do in the mean time, also the police have a harder time nowadays with red tape and more paper work too, so cant do their job to the fullest too  |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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Further to my last post and in response to Julie.your.bottom.slut.
The facts remain you're telling a one sided story from the point of view of the person(s) involved. As I keep saying there are always two sides of any story and just because you were told doesn't make it true. |
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The police nowadays are doomed ! Trial by social media! No backing by senior officers- reduced in number to dangerous levels. For there to be respect again society needs to STOP being so entitled. Society needs to stop shoving camera phones in peoples faces and posting 10 second snippets for likes. Senior leaders need to start backing officer and not pandering to the war cry’s events in policing has noting to do with society today just like it had nothing to do with society in the 40,50,60,70,80 and 90’s. The so called auditors need to be made illegal again its done to provoke a reaction and undermine the profession.
In the words of Peel The police are the public and the public are the police… would society dare to wander into other professions and profess to be experts in that filed having never done it? |
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"The police nowadays are doomed ! Trial by social media! No backing by senior officers- reduced in number to dangerous levels. For there to be respect again society needs to STOP being so entitled. Society needs to stop shoving camera phones in peoples faces and posting 10 second snippets for likes. Senior leaders need to start backing officer and not pandering to the war cry’s events in policing has noting to do with society today just like it had nothing to do with society in the 40,50,60,70,80 and 90’s. The so called auditors need to be made illegal again its done to provoke a reaction and undermine the profession.
In the words of Peel The police are the public and the public are the police… would society dare to wander into other professions and profess to be experts in that filed having never done it? "
Pretty spot on IMHO. There is far too much entitlement in today's society where you expect everything, respect nothing, and fear no one.
Whos to blame? We all are really. From the parents who avoid blame for the behaviour of their children because they are too busy on their social media accounts to teach them responsibility for their actions, to the politicians who won't just say it how it is and back the police, or teachers, or carers, or nurses, or armed forces for the fear of losing votes.
I hate saying 'back in my day' but at school we showed respect, didn't talk in class, focused on the teacher, nowadays it's a constant battle.
What's the answer? Banning social media? Banning phones with cameras? Bringing tougher sentences on more minor crimes? Recruiting more bobbies to walk the streets?
Or, we could all just smile more, not worry about what we haven't got. And be thankful for what we gave got. And treat others how you want to be treated.
Simple really. |
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By *4bimMan 22 weeks ago
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"The police nowadays are doomed ! Trial by social media! No backing by senior officers- reduced in number to dangerous levels. For there to be respect again society needs to STOP being so entitled. Society needs to stop shoving camera phones in peoples faces and posting 10 second snippets for likes. Senior leaders need to start backing officer and not pandering to the war cry’s events in policing has noting to do with society today just like it had nothing to do with society in the 40,50,60,70,80 and 90’s. The so called auditors need to be made illegal again its done to provoke a reaction and undermine the profession.
In the words of Peel The police are the public and the public are the police… would society dare to wander into other professions and profess to be experts in that filed having never done it?
Pretty spot on IMHO. There is far too much entitlement in today's society where you expect everything, respect nothing, and fear no one.
Whos to blame? We all are really. From the parents who avoid blame for the behaviour of their children because they are too busy on their social media accounts to teach them responsibility for their actions, to the politicians who won't just say it how it is and back the police, or teachers, or carers, or nurses, or armed forces for the fear of losing votes.
I hate saying 'back in my day' but at school we showed respect, didn't talk in class, focused on the teacher, nowadays it's a constant battle.
What's the answer? Banning social media? Banning phones with cameras? Bringing tougher sentences on more minor crimes? Recruiting more bobbies to walk the streets?
Or, we could all just smile more, not worry about what we haven't got. And be thankful for what we gave got. And treat others how you want to be treated.
Simple really. "
the answer is let people have guns and god will sort them all out |
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It's as much a case of a biased aggressive media & lack of respect in society that has made the Police a target along with them having to walk a woke tightrope.
Policing should be firm but fair with no comprises.
Seeing them take the knee or camp it up at events destroys their supposed unbiased position.
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I think for the most part the police are still respected.
It's hard to keep a balanced view on this if you see most of your information online.
They aren't however feared as much because the ones that overstep theor authority physically or via intimidation can now be easily recorded and caught out. And I'm not sure that's such a bad thing.
The key is then balancing that with keeping order, but that in my option needs to be done by creating a more balanced and fair society.
Let's be honest there isn't the fraction of anti social behaviour in middle class communities as under privileged communities, we should really consider why that is and always has been and the answer is properly how much respect one group feels from society as a whole, and it's not the police |
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Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too."
Shame that scum were not shot then answer question after surprised you defend some scum who break the law give your head a wobble |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too."
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see? |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Shame that scum were not shot then answer question after surprised you defend some scum who break the law give your head a wobble "
I am absolutely not defending the scum they were handling - fuck them. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?"
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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I didn't say I was a police officer. But my husband was. You want to talk about the job in detail? I did work in the legal industry for years.
As for being thrown to the ground and fights. They call that Monday in Hackney. My husband had three colleagues murdered on duty known to him. You would likely not even know their names.
So having got your last statement so wrong what else have you got wrong. Your instinct is clearly off isn't it. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too."
In fact I don't know of any police officer that would even suggest that there colleagues should arrest each other. There are rules and SOPs that govern that. In fact that is ridiculous. You were never in the police service.. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
In fact I don't know of any police officer that would even suggest that there colleagues should arrest each other. There are rules and SOPs that govern that. In fact that is ridiculous. You were never in the police service.."
He didn't say the officers said he should have been arrested then and there.
Just that they condemned the loss of control |
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""He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues."
It is clear what he meant as he wrote it."
To me that reads as his own opinion and not those of the officers he spoke to.
Regardless kicking someone who is prone and helpless on the ground in the head is not a good look, no matter what preceded it |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen. |
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"I’ve just read that the lawyer representing the thugs has chosen not to represent them.
Damage limitation?"
They probably had a fall out and couldn’t work together.
Lawyers don’t represent people based on whether they think they are good or bad, or their reputation will suffer representing the wrong people, this is why the worlds best human rights lawyers will defend terrorists, giving the best defence possible, so that when a conviction is made still it is sound and unlikely to be undone. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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You only have to watch some the auditing videos on YouTube to see how members of the public interact with the police. They have massively inflated egos, especially when on camera, and even more so when off.
It's almost like they are trained to hate the public. Besides, it also gives them something to talk about down at the Masonic lodge. |
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"I’ve just read that the lawyer representing the thugs has chosen not to represent them.
Damage limitation?
They probably had a fall out and couldn’t work together.
Lawyers don’t represent people based on whether they think they are good or bad, or their reputation will suffer representing the wrong people, this is why the worlds best human rights lawyers will defend terrorists, giving the best defence possible, so that when a conviction is made still it is sound and unlikely to be undone. "
So maybe he’s not up to the job and needs to employ the top brass? |
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"I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen."
If your husband is or was a Police Officer then I cannot understand how you can accept that that head stamp / kick was a “they had it coming to them” “serves them right” “good on him”. We don’t live in the 70’s anymore. That sort of reckless red mist behaviour regardless of context puts every Police Officer in way of increased harm from the backlash the results. You want your husband to go in to quell a riot in the community in which those shitbags live because one of your colleagues lost his rag? (fucking guarantee they were already known to Police anyway). Every Officer knows in modern policing that their actions are being recorded by their own BWV cameras, CCTV, public smartphones and will appear on social media in seconds. From there the video footage will be selectively edited for maximum outrage… just like what was done in this case. It was bad policing… simple, unarguable. |
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"You only have to watch some the auditing videos on YouTube to see how members of the public interact with the police. They have massively inflated egos, especially when on camera, and even more so when off.
It's almost like they are trained to hate the public. Besides, it also gives them something to talk about down at the Masonic lodge."
The auditing videos are the last thing anyone should watch or support.
They are as much a part of the modern problem as rouge police officers |
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"I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen.
If your husband is or was a Police Officer then I cannot understand how you can accept that that head stamp / kick was a “they had it coming to them” “serves them right” “good on him”. We don’t live in the 70’s anymore. That sort of reckless red mist behaviour regardless of context puts every Police Officer in way of increased harm from the backlash the results. You want your husband to go in to quell a riot in the community in which those shitbags live because one of your colleagues lost his rag? (fucking guarantee they were already known to Police anyway). Every Officer knows in modern policing that their actions are being recorded by their own BWV cameras, CCTV, public smartphones and will appear on social media in seconds. From there the video footage will be selectively edited for maximum outrage… just like what was done in this case. It was bad policing… simple, unarguable."
I totally agree... but obviously when the "red mist" descends, you lack the ability to reason. These types of situations are exactly the situations that a police officer should stand out from the "normal" crowd. Once the guy was on the floor and secured then any further aggression is unacceptable.
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"I’ve just read that the lawyer representing the thugs has chosen not to represent them.
Damage limitation?
They probably had a fall out and couldn’t work together.
Lawyers don’t represent people based on whether they think they are good or bad, or their reputation will suffer representing the wrong people, this is why the worlds best human rights lawyers will defend terrorists, giving the best defence possible, so that when a conviction is made still it is sound and unlikely to be undone.
So maybe he’s not up to the job and needs to employ the top brass?"
The original lawyer has his own problems. He couldn't possibly stand up and make public statements defending a man who assaulted a female officer when his own misogynistic views of women are on the public record. Google the original lawyer's name and read the transcript of a podcast he participated in when he was running to be Metro Mayor of the West Midlands. |
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"I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen.
If your husband is or was a Police Officer then I cannot understand how you can accept that that head stamp / kick was a “they had it coming to them” “serves them right” “good on him”. We don’t live in the 70’s anymore. That sort of reckless red mist behaviour regardless of context puts every Police Officer in way of increased harm from the backlash the results. You want your husband to go in to quell a riot in the community in which those shitbags live because one of your colleagues lost his rag? (fucking guarantee they were already known to Police anyway). Every Officer knows in modern policing that their actions are being recorded by their own BWV cameras, CCTV, public smartphones and will appear on social media in seconds. From there the video footage will be selectively edited for maximum outrage… just like what was done in this case. It was bad policing… simple, unarguable.
I totally agree... but obviously when the "red mist" descends, you lack the ability to reason. These types of situations are exactly the situations that a police officer should stand out from the "normal" crowd. Once the guy was on the floor and secured then any further aggression is unacceptable.
Cal"
I also agree with all of this. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen.
If your husband is or was a Police Officer then I cannot understand how you can accept that that head stamp / kick was a “they had it coming to them” “serves them right” “good on him”. We don’t live in the 70’s anymore. That sort of reckless red mist behaviour regardless of context puts every Police Officer in way of increased harm from the backlash the results. You want your husband to go in to quell a riot in the community in which those shitbags live because one of your colleagues lost his rag? (fucking guarantee they were already known to Police anyway). Every Officer knows in modern policing that their actions are being recorded by their own BWV cameras, CCTV, public smartphones and will appear on social media in seconds. From there the video footage will be selectively edited for maximum outrage… just like what was done in this case. It was bad policing… simple, unarguable."
Once again we will have to agree to disagree. The officer involved is carrying a firearm and was subjected to a horrendous assault by being continually punched numerous times about the head as it appeared in the video. Details of why they were approached by police have still not been released but there seems to have been an incident on an aircraft. So carrying a weapon, having been punched, having been jumped on from behind, having seen at least two others attacked and punched to the floor he reacted. You weren't there. Nor was I. But in seconds he had to react to defend himself likely not thinking 100% straight from the beating he just took. But that is real life. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?"
One set of actions do not justify the others. In exactly the same way as two boys dying trying to evade the police on an illegal motorbike justifies a riot with people throwing petrol bombs and setting fire to cars.
The police officer involved should be sent to prison for kicking someone in the face whilst they were pinned down and handcuffed. There is literally no defence.
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"I agree. That was his own opinion. No ne ever said it wasn't.
But as he has now said he was a police officer that statement isn't something a real police officer would ever say as they know that wouldn't never happen.
If your husband is or was a Police Officer then I cannot understand how you can accept that that head stamp / kick was a “they had it coming to them” “serves them right” “good on him”. We don’t live in the 70’s anymore. That sort of reckless red mist behaviour regardless of context puts every Police Officer in way of increased harm from the backlash the results. You want your husband to go in to quell a riot in the community in which those shitbags live because one of your colleagues lost his rag? (fucking guarantee they were already known to Police anyway). Every Officer knows in modern policing that their actions are being recorded by their own BWV cameras, CCTV, public smartphones and will appear on social media in seconds. From there the video footage will be selectively edited for maximum outrage… just like what was done in this case. It was bad policing… simple, unarguable.
Once again we will have to agree to disagree. The officer involved is carrying a firearm and was subjected to a horrendous assault by being continually punched numerous times about the head as it appeared in the video. Details of why they were approached by police have still not been released but there seems to have been an incident on an aircraft. So carrying a weapon, having been punched, having been jumped on from behind, having seen at least two others attacked and punched to the floor he reacted. You weren't there. Nor was I. But in seconds he had to react to defend himself likely not thinking 100% straight from the beating he just took. But that is real life."
But the need to defend himself had passed at the point when he kicked him in the face |
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"But the need to defend himself had passed at the point when he kicked him in the face"
He had just been seriously attacked and is carrying a weapon he needs to protect and keep secure.
Other officers are being attacked and punched to the floor. In the real world in real situations and fights things don't go perfectly. It was a real serious fight and in real serious fights this happens.
The police aren't punching bags and they are not there to be hit. If you hit a police officers you can expect to be hit back. Hit one who is carrying a gun and then you take you chances. |
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""But the need to defend himself had passed at the point when he kicked him in the face"
He had just been seriously attacked and is carrying a weapon he needs to protect and keep secure.
Other officers are being attacked and punched to the floor. In the real world in real situations and fights things don't go perfectly. It was a real serious fight and in real serious fights this happens.
The police aren't punching bags and they are not there to be hit. If you hit a police officers you can expect to be hit back. Hit one who is carrying a gun and then you take you chances."
Nope... one the guy is neutralised, any further actions can't be justified. They just become revenge.
Yes he should defend himself, but the guy on his belly, knocked doen by a tazer, is no longer a threat at that point. Defence by its very nature is counteracting an attack... that guy was no longer attacking anyone. The officer literally just "stuck the boot in" and easily could have killed him. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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Maybe some words of advice but that's all I certainly hope.
Much will depend on his mental state and his evaluation of what was happening. Having been beaten around the head and pulled to the floor I think that is quite reasonable.
He was in a high stress situation being attacked carrying a gun and as much as people like to think the police are trained to deal with that sort of thing they're not. The only way to really know what it's like is to experience it. Placing someone in a hand hold at training school doesn't cut it.
In the Met during training male officers used to have to box each other in the ring. That stopped a long time ago. I know of stories of officers throwing down their gloves and crying as they just couldn't do it. Others fainted as they just held their breath and hit the floor. |
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities."
Hi does it weaken the police to have to abide by the law? I think it strengthens the police is they are held accountable for their actions.
Ultimately, he went too far. He WILL lose his job & I expect him to have to face a criminal prosecution. Any other outcome will paint a picture that the police are above the law. |
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
Hi does it weaken the police to have to abide by the law? I think it strengthens the police is they are held accountable for their actions.
Ultimately, he went too far. He WILL lose his job & I expect him to have to face a criminal prosecution. Any other outcome will paint a picture that the police are above the law."
Yes it does weaken the police. Officers are leaving in ever larger numbers and many of those that remain don't feel it is worth it. Cancelled days off etc, etc.
You last paragraph is just your opinion.
As we have seen others on here disagree.
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities."
What's the number of times someone can be hit before it's ok to kick someone that's incapacitated in the head?
Surely this displays that the officer isn't suited to high stress and violent situations especially carrying a gun. |
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"I’ve just read that the lawyer representing the thugs has chosen not to represent them.
Damage limitation?
They probably had a fall out and couldn’t work together.
Lawyers don’t represent people based on whether they think they are good or bad, or their reputation will suffer representing the wrong people, this is why the worlds best human rights lawyers will defend terrorists, giving the best defence possible, so that when a conviction is made still it is sound and unlikely to be undone.
So maybe he’s not up to the job and needs to employ the top brass?
The original lawyer has his own problems. He couldn't possibly stand up and make public statements defending a man who assaulted a female officer when his own misogynistic views of women are on the public record. Google the original lawyer's name and read the transcript of a podcast he participated in when he was running to be Metro Mayor of the West Midlands."
That’s very interesting and eye opening. Thank you for highlighting it! |
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"...and that is why I say the public get the police they deserve."
You’re just being inflammatory now and do a disservice to your husbands Police training, professionalism and career (if indeed your husband has been or is a police officer - from what you said above I’m beginning to doubt it).
The worst of it is, the actions of the police officer has also made the courts job harder to punish to the fullest extent - those pieces of shit needed putting away as long as possible. He may have compromised the case against them |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
What's the number of times someone can be hit before it's ok to kick someone that's incapacitated in the head?
Surely this displays that the officer isn't suited to high stress and violent situations especially carrying a gun."
How many times can a police officer be punched in the head whilst carrying a firearm in a violent brawl as two officers are punched to the ground, one with a broken be expected to deal with the situation without using violence?
There appears to be an imaginary view from some that the police are there to take a kicking. They're not.
I would suggest he held back until he had no other choice and he is ideally suited to high stress situations and carrying a gun. Demonstrated by not taking it out and using it. |
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
What's the number of times someone can be hit before it's ok to kick someone that's incapacitated in the head?
Surely this displays that the officer isn't suited to high stress and violent situations especially carrying a gun.
How many times can a police officer be punched in the head whilst carrying a firearm in a violent brawl as two officers are punched to the ground, one with a broken be expected to deal with the situation without using violence?
There appears to be an imaginary view from some that the police are there to take a kicking. They're not.
I would suggest he held back until he had no other choice and he is ideally suited to high stress situations and carrying a gun. Demonstrated by not taking it out and using it."
I've no issue with them using violence. But once the aggressor was incapacitated ( like literally limp on the ground ffs) the need for violence was no longer there.
And everything after that was a horrible abuse of power and aggrevated assault.
I can understand how and why it happened but it doesn't excuse it and it absolutely means he isn't fit for that kind of environment.
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"...and that is why I say the public get the police they deserve.
You’re just being inflammatory now and do a disservice to your husbands Police training, professionalism and career (if indeed your husband has been or is a police officer - from what you said above I’m beginning to doubt it).
The worst of it is, the actions of the police officer has also made the courts job harder to punish to the fullest extent - those pieces of shit needed putting away as long as possible. He may have compromised the case against them"
Hardly, it is a well know saying within policing and if you're not aware of it then I already know why.
As for my husband, he didn't work in Uttoxeter. So now you are coming up with an opinion on him based on what I have said. Really? You need to remember the rule of holes as well. |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
What's the number of times someone can be hit before it's ok to kick someone that's incapacitated in the head?
Surely this displays that the officer isn't suited to high stress and violent situations especially carrying a gun.
How many times can a police officer be punched in the head whilst carrying a firearm in a violent brawl as two officers are punched to the ground, one with a broken be expected to deal with the situation without using violence?
There appears to be an imaginary view from some that the police are there to take a kicking. They're not.
I would suggest he held back until he had no other choice and he is ideally suited to high stress situations and carrying a gun. Demonstrated by not taking it out and using it.
I've no issue with them using violence. But once the aggressor was incapacitated ( like literally limp on the ground ffs) the need for violence was no longer there.
And everything after that was a horrible abuse of power and aggrevated assault.
I can understand how and why it happened but it doesn't excuse it and it absolutely means he isn't fit for that kind of environment.
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Maybe that is because you have no experience of being a police officer and having to deal with this sort of thing.
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"Maybe a written warning ay worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
What's the number of times someone can be hit before it's ok to kick someone that's incapacitated in the head?
Surely this displays that the officer isn't suited to high stress and violent situations especially carrying a gun.
How many times can a police officer be punched in the head whilst carrying a firearm in a violent brawl as two officers are punched to the ground, one with a broken be expected to deal with the situation without using violence?
There appears to be an imaginary view from some that the police are there to take a kicking. They're not.
I would suggest he held back until he had no other choice and he is ideally suited to high stress situations and carrying a gun. Demonstrated by not taking it out and using it.
I've no issue with them using violence. But once the aggressor was incapacitated ( like literally limp on the ground ffs) the need for violence was no longer there.
And everything after that was a horrible abuse of power and aggrevated assault.
I can understand how and why it happened but it doesn't excuse it and it absolutely means he isn't fit for that kind of environment.
Maybe that is because you have no experience of being a police officer and having to deal with this sort of thing.
As I said before, we will have to agree to disagree."
So only police officers can have an informed opinion on policing?
Meaning your opinion is as useless as mine yes? |
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"I have represented police officers legally. Plus my husband was a police officer.
Is your experience greater/better as mine?
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Do you have experience being a police officer? As I believe that was your argument above regarding my opinion? |
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"I think I have a far greater insight than you do on this subject. I already told you I wasn't a police officer didn't I."
So neither of us have experience being a police officer... got it 👍
Maybe your opinion is skewed because of close relationships woth police officers?
Either way it's a poor argument.
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Working with and being married to an ex police officer makes my view is skewed, really!
OK Lets say you are right.
But my opinion in that case is still far more valid than yours who has no experience.
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"Maybe a written warning , worse. Else it will further weaken the police and those that have to work in the inner cities.
Hi does it weaken the police to have to abide by the law? I think it strengthens the police is they are held accountable for their actions.
Ultimately, he went too far. He WILL lose his job & I expect him to have to face a criminal prosecution. Any other outcome will paint a picture that the police are above the law.
Yes it does weaken the police. Officers are leaving in ever larger numbers and many of those that remain don't feel it is worth it. Cancelled days off etc, etc.
You last paragraph is just your opinion.
As we have seen others on here disagree.
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People are not leaving because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions. They are leaving because they are underfunded, under staffed, and their pay and conditions are constantly being eroded. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care."
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment |
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No one said police officers are leaving " because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions"
You're making that up. You will have to argue amongst yourself, I have a meeting to get to. |
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Did people really respect the police in the 60s & 70s? Perhaps I've only ever heard stories from thugs but honestly, I don't feel, from what I've heard, the police were any more respected then compared to now.
I'm not convinced at this point though, that they could gain respect back. Not without full reform and then decades worth of hard work to show they've changed. |
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"No one said police officers are leaving " because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions"
You're making that up. You will have to argue amongst yourself, I have a meeting to get to."
You said holding him yo account would "weaken the police" |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment "
can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires. "
I can imagine the way the interview would go… “I removed the Taser barbs with my boot sir”
“I sprayed PAVA at the individual seated as she didn’t look sorry enough and I felt more tears were necessary”
I guess the shit heels should be grateful that they were in the U.K. …. any other country and they would have had multiple leadicillin injections attacking armed officers. |
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"Continue here, it was interesting seeing the replies. I was listening to someone talking how the police was respected in the 60s and 70s, where he said how one didnt dare to do anything wrong and if you did and the police told you of for it.
He gave an example where he trimmed his motorcycle and the police cought him on the bike and said dont do that again, he said ok officer in a dampened respected voice and walked home with it and never did it again.
You respected what they said, even the signs with a police holding his hand in a stop position in the parks and other places dont go here, you respected that.
What is your view about it, can the police regain respect again? I think that they can, but there would be a lot of work to do in the mean time, also the police have a harder time nowadays with red tape and more paper work too, so cant do their job to the fullest too "
The police can't gain the peoples respect anymore they've gone to far for that with the revenue collection side of policing in the old days their was a live and let live attitude now it's the letter of the law cross it and you are fined . |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires. "
Go check out the Blackbelt barrister on youtube have a look at his take on it. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires.
Go check out the Blackbelt barrister on youtube have a look at his take on it. "
useful vids, but not sure which bits you are linking to the above convo. |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires. "
And you obviously read EXACTLY what you want to read because at no point did i say that he was pulling the wires out !! Quite the contrary i stated it looked like he was STOPPING the wires being pulled by the lady on top of the bloke.  |
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"Regardless of what went on - every Police Officer I know has condemned the action of their colleague that lost his shit. Red mist, loss of control - no excuse. He should have been arrested immediately by his colleagues.
Also the officer that PAVA’d the person sitting down - fuck you too.
Exactly how many is that then?
Which officer do you think should have arrested him. The one with the broken nose?
Should the arrest have happened before or after he went to hospital having been punch at least six times that I can see?
You are clearly not a Police Officer or know any - I suggest you go and talk to one. They are spat on, punched, thrown to the ground, kicked, abused, hurt mentally and physically every Friday and Saturday night by d*unk members of the public. Broken nose? My former partner had her back broken trying to break up a d*unken brawl of white males. Where’s the outrage for her? What went on at the airport is nothing new. It was caught on camera, picked up by social media and the run with by the press for financial reward and riding the tide of outrage.
The Police must uphold the highest standards of behaviour despite the fucking shitbags they must deal with every day. That officer kicking and stamping is being condemned by every officer for his behaviour. It is unacceptable. The cunts they were dealing with? Fuck them, burn in hell for all I care.
But your so wrong you have jumped on the media bandwagon ! He didn't stamp on the blokes head he was stamping on the taser wires in what looked like stopping the person over the top of the suspect pulling them out ! Had he stamped as you say the females hand would have been broken and there would have been blood lots and lots of blood. But don't let actual evidence get in the way. Hey. Fuck em as you’ve put on every comment can any taser users confirm that's the only way to get the wires out ? Feels OTT especially as it wasn't his taser.
I'm guessing that's the same reason he stamped on the second fella. Stubborn taser wires.
And you obviously read EXACTLY what you want to read because at no point did i say that he was pulling the wires out !! Quite the contrary i stated it looked like he was STOPPING the wires being pulled by the lady on top of the bloke. "
I admit I was skim reading.
So he stamped on the persons head twice in order to stop someone else pulling the wires out. Despite that person being at the torso end. That's an even bigger stretch imo
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"No one said police officers are leaving " because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions"
You're making that up. You will have to argue amongst yourself, I have a meeting to get to.
You said holding him to account would "weaken the police""
In your opinion he has done something wrong. I think he was simply "reacting" in the middle of a vicious fight against him and his colleagues who had the added issue of being armed and protecting their weapons.
It has already weakened the police. Officers from the firearms unit at Manchester Airport are already refusing to carry a firearm.
Don't you think police officers refusing to carry a firearm in this day and age weakens the police? |
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"No one said police officers are leaving " because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions"
You're making that up. You will have to argue amongst yourself, I have a meeting to get to.
You said holding him to account would "weaken the police"
In your opinion he has done something wrong. I think he was simply "reacting" in the middle of a vicious fight against him and his colleagues who had the added issue of being armed and protecting their weapons.
It has already weakened the police. Officers from the firearms unit at Manchester Airport are already refusing to carry a firearm.
Don't you think police officers refusing to carry a firearm in this day and age weakens the police?"
Reasonable force is the ideal here all police officers at airports carry weapons not sure why but hey ho . |
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It’s probably been said on here already but the issue is some and I some a small minority have a god complex.
They forget they are public servants who police by consent.
There is not enough psychological testing done on police officers and there management are either lazy or overworked, not being a copper I don’t know which.
I know a few, the majority day are normal well adjusted people. However some I would not trust in a million years.
One I’m particular stands out, funnily enough he’s a DPG officer the same as Wayne Cousins was.
He’s a bully, this is his personal and professional life. He can’t be told he’s wrong. He’s a braggart who loves telling his stories of giving people a dig etc, generally not a nice guy.
But he’s still there carrying a gun on our streets, he don’t much talk to me anymore since I said his gun was a reflection of him having a small cock. He will speak to me if he has to but normally he’ll avoid me as I won’t put up with his bollox.
Fortunately I know more coppers like I said the majority decent human beings who just want to do a good job, but the bad apples stick out more than the good ones. |
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In balance I think some of what you say is true. In the last 20 years policing standards have fallen. This is due to cost saving. Vetting was reduced along with training. That all started with Theresa May.
Without a doubt there are some who need to be removed and they get removed daily from committing simple theft to deception and everything in between including flashing. Some are simply not suitable.
But this myth that policing by consent is nonsense from the days of Robert Peel. It is totally outdated but it is often said as it feels all warm and fuzzy. There are no policing by consent. It's a myth. Same difference as calling the police a service and not a force. Just semantics.
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"No one said police officers are leaving " because they're not allowed to kick people without repercussions"
You're making that up. You will have to argue amongst yourself, I have a meeting to get to.
You said holding him to account would "weaken the police"
In your opinion he has done something wrong. I think he was simply "reacting" in the middle of a vicious fight against him and his colleagues who had the added issue of being armed and protecting their weapons.
It has already weakened the police. Officers from the firearms unit at Manchester Airport are already refusing to carry a firearm.
Don't you think police officers refusing to carry a firearm in this day and age weakens the police?"
Interesting one this. Maybe they are protecting themselves from the mine field and prosecution, should they ever have to use their weapon.
They might see it as a risk to themselves, their career and their families that is just not worth taking. They might want to go to work and do a good job, without the risk of ending up as criminals in the blink of an eye. |
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"Further to my last post and in response to Julie.your.bottom.slut.
The facts remain you're telling a one sided story from the point of view of the person(s) involved. As I keep saying there are always two sides of any story and just because you were told doesn't make it true. "
They may have embellished some aspects of the incidents. But my main point was that they were charged for defending themselves and their property from violent thugs and have criminal records.
The law as it stands, on the force allowed to defend one self, was applied to them. Some on here, and I include you, seem to be suggesting that law should only apply to the public shouldn't apply to the police. |
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Well straight away I can't make any real evaluation on what you have said. I only have one side to the story and that has been embellished. It was good that you admitted that.
I never said said the law should not apply to the police. But there is a world of difference between a police officer walking up to someone and just kicking someone in the head.
Compared that to being attacked and continually punched and jumped on by at least two people. It was a vicious fight and it was violent. That I have no problem with.
The solution to all of this is simple. But punch the police. Especially don't punch the police if they are carrying firearms. That is a whole different level. Go to the root cause. Police officers are not there to be punched. |
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Merseyside police deserve massive praise for what they walked into yesterday in Southport and the swift apprehension of an armed suspect (murder weapon recovered).
Sadly 3 children have died and the carnage that faced those first on scene will leave lasting damage.
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"Well straight away I can't make any real evaluation on what you have said. I only have one side to the story and that has been embellished. It was good that you admitted that.
I never said said the law should not apply to the police. But there is a world of difference between a police officer walking up to someone and just kicking someone in the head.
Compared that to being attacked and continually punched and jumped on by at least two people. It was a vicious fight and it was violent. That I have no problem with.
The solution to all of this is simple. But punch the police. Especially don't punch the police if they are carrying firearms. That is a whole different level. Go to the root cause. Police officers are not there to be punched."
1-There you go again misquoting what I wrote. Read again, I said it may have been embellished, not was.
I don't know if it was or not. Neither do you, because we both weren't there.
Am reporting what was reported in local papers during the trials.
2-But yet you are defending his excessive use of force, when other members of public are not allowed to use similar force. Why, if its not just because of his profession..?
3-I don't recall reading anyone saying that they are there to punched at, have you..?
Nobody is there to be punched at, so am not sure what your point is..?
Was it a vicious fight yes. Was it anymore vicious than lots of incidents in towns up and down the country on weekends, I doubt it. Going by that logic, police should be kicking and stamping on heads of d*unks every weekend.
4- What simple solution are you advocating..?
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1. You being are a third party and even thinking it may have been embellished results in the same thing. It is a one side story. I didn't make any comment as I do know both sides. Nor do you. Newspapers rarely get things right.
2. I am defending his use of force in the circumstances he was in. I don't think it was excessive.
3. If you think police officers should take punches and not defend themselves as it doesn't look nice then yes you are.
Yes it was more vicious and dangerous than normal as the officers were armed. If any of the officers felt their life was in danger and they genuinely believed that to be the case under the law they could have drawn and fired their weapon to defend themselves. In more so in the circumstance where two of his colleague had already been punched to the floor!
So I think a kick in the head is a far lesser route to take and the officer had demonstrated he was in control but focussed and was justified.
4. Simple solution I made clear. If you don't punch the police they will not punch you. |
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"It’s probably been said on here already but the issue is some and I some a small minority have a god complex.
They forget they are public servants who police by consent.
There is not enough psychological testing done on police officers and there management are either lazy or overworked, not being a copper I don’t know which.
I know a few, the majority day are normal well adjusted people. However some I would not trust in a million years.
One I’m particular stands out, funnily enough he’s a DPG officer the same as Wayne Cousins was.
He’s a bully, this is his personal and professional life. He can’t be told he’s wrong. He’s a braggart who loves telling his stories of giving people a dig etc, generally not a nice guy.
But he’s still there carrying a gun on our streets, he don’t much talk to me anymore since I said his gun was a reflection of him having a small cock. He will speak to me if he has to but normally he’ll avoid me as I won’t put up with his bollox.
Fortunately I know more coppers like I said the majority decent human beings who just want to do a good job, but the bad apples stick out more than the good ones. "
Point A !! Police officers are not public servants !! They are servant of the crown that uphold the law in accordance with Robert Peels guidance to police without fear or favour. point B !! These officer are armed, they were attacked and the threat was still real even though the assailant was on the floor - reaction v action ! Action always wins. Anywhere else they would have been shot |
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"It’s probably been said on here already but the issue is some and I some a small minority have a god complex.
They forget they are public servants who police by consent.
There is not enough psychological testing done on police officers and there management are either lazy or overworked, not being a copper I don’t know which.
I know a few, the majority day are normal well adjusted people. However some I would not trust in a million years.
One I’m particular stands out, funnily enough he’s a DPG officer the same as Wayne Cousins was.
He’s a bully, this is his personal and professional life. He can’t be told he’s wrong. He’s a braggart who loves telling his stories of giving people a dig etc, generally not a nice guy.
But he’s still there carrying a gun on our streets, he don’t much talk to me anymore since I said his gun was a reflection of him having a small cock. He will speak to me if he has to but normally he’ll avoid me as I won’t put up with his bollox.
Fortunately I know more coppers like I said the majority decent human beings who just want to do a good job, but the bad apples stick out more than the good ones.
Point A !! Police officers are not public servants !! They are servant of the crown that uphold the law in accordance with Robert Peels guidance to police without fear or favour. point B !! These officer are armed, they were attacked and the threat was still real even though the assailant was on the floor - reaction v action ! Action always wins. Anywhere else they would have been shot "
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I haven't got a problem with the police, had a lot of interactions with them. Only really had two incidents were the accused lied to the police, and got off scot free, well almost.
I have seen off duty police try to reason with idiots to prevent them from being arrested, only for the idiots to push matters by giving an attitude and getting arrested.
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