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I had backed it to go into extra time, it nearly did. We should have been more alert to the danger of Williams, imo the man of the match. Given way too much space for the first goal. It’s going to be lively on the streets of Berlin tonight. |
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws"
That’s the fault of teams that are expected to win groups. If they don’t, that will load one side heavily. England had two tournaments where that’s happened, and they’ve capitalised to get to finals. |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?"
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey. |
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws"
Previous one was like a home tournament and this one only had one tough game - that was today. |
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By *929Man 28 weeks ago
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws"
Exactly, I thought England played well in this final so credit due but have had easy routes to finals last two euros has the draw been more balanced they wouldn’t be anywhere near the final. Just gives false hope |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey."
And to be fair I think he had changed the conversation and attitude around the England team. |
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws"
Last 3. Portugal's side of the draw in 2016 featured the likes of Belgium, Croatia and Wales, while on the other side of the draw there was all 5 European WC winners in France, Italy, Spain, Germany, England (and of course the mighty Iceland  )
It's been a terrible addition to the tournament to allow 8 weaker teams to join in. It's made the knockout stage so much more watered down and seems to always gives an easy path to one of the finalists! |
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws
That’s the fault of teams that are expected to win groups. If they don’t, that will load one side heavily. England had two tournaments where that’s happened, and they’ve capitalised to get to finals."
I mean ya. But remove England from the conversation... its a bit of a downer |
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"This isn't an England dig but more of a general post tournament musing....
Last 2 euros have had seriously lopsided round of 16 draws
Last 3. Portugal's side of the draw in 2016 featured the likes of Belgium, Croatia and Wales, while on the other side of the draw there was all 5 European WC winners in France, Italy, Spain, Germany, England (and of course the mighty Iceland )
It's been a terrible addition to the tournament to allow 8 weaker teams to join in. It's made the knockout stage so much more watered down and seems to always gives an easy path to one of the finalists!"
Yip your dead right actually I'd forgotten 2016s draw.
Back to a 16 team tournament |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey."
Yes, he's a decent and honourable man but he hasn't won anything which is the same as every other manager since Ramsey. Let's not try and get away from the reality of the situation |
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"Just once in our lifetime… we don’t ask for much!!!!
We had them on the ropes… equalised… and stopped playing again "
Pickford kept the score down, England would of been 2-0 if it wasn't for him and then again after that |
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By *ik MMan 28 weeks ago
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey."
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out "
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors. |
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By (user no longer on site) 28 weeks ago
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"Southgate should go now and I suspect the highest level he’ll manage at is the championship from now. Good man but not the right man for the England job."
I think there's a job for him somewhere in the FA if he does decide to step down. |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors."
I don't think the bottling came from the penalties but how we played after going 1-0 up. We had chances but still tried to sit back when Italy were there for the taking. Southgate still did a brilliant job considering where we were when he started, but it's definitely time for new ideas. |
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"Southgate should go now and I suspect the highest level he’ll manage at is the championship from now. Good man but not the right man for the England job.
I think there's a job for him somewhere in the FA if he does decide to step down."
Hopefully it isn’t as a motivational speaker. |
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I think we all wanted an England win (well most of us) but deep down a lot of us knew that Spain would win. They were unbeaten, they played amazingly well as a team whereas England were shocking for the most part. They played terribly as a team, no real instructions and no real coaching but fair play for getting to the final. A well deserved Spain win and hopefully greener pastures for England under new management. England has the squad and arguably the best team on paper if you look at all the talent. They just need some real coaching. |
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"I had backed it to go into extra time, it nearly did. We should have been more alert to the danger of Williams, imo the man of the match. Given way too much space for the first goal. It’s going to be lively on the streets of Berlin tonight."
Did they award a player of the match award? If it's not gone to Nico Williams, then I'll eat my shorts! He's been epic. |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors.
I don't think the bottling came from the penalties but how we played after going 1-0 up. We had chances but still tried to sit back when Italy were there for the taking. Southgate still did a brilliant job considering where we were when he started, but it's definitely time for new ideas."
Yep, can't agree more that he is too defensive a manager. He'll go, and rightly so.
Shows how far we've come though that 2 Euro finals in a row with a WC semi too is somehow not considered success for England. We still cream ourselves over 1990 and 1996 and he's outdone both of those 'greats'. |
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It was a very good tournament. The gap between the traditional big teams and minor teams has definitely shrunk.
England needed to play to their strengths which is fast attacking football without fear. But some players looked tired.
Kane did not offer much of an outlet when needed hence the uplift woth the subs but overall the future looks bright.
I also think Southgate will go. He took too much criticism for the 1st three games. |
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"I had backed it to go into extra time, it nearly did. We should have been more alert to the danger of Williams, imo the man of the match. Given way too much space for the first goal. It’s going to be lively on the streets of Berlin tonight.
Did they award a player of the match award? If it's not gone to Nico Williams, then I'll eat my shorts! He's been epic. "
No one knew he was there Saka didn’t follow him back idk |
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"It was a very good tournament. The gap between the traditional big teams and minor teams has definitely shrunk.
England needed to play to their strengths which is fast attacking football without fear. But some players looked tired.
Kane did not offer much of an outlet when needed hence the uplift woth the subs but overall the future looks bright.
I also think Southgate will go. He took too much criticism for the 1st three games. "
If England are going to play to the strengths you mention, we need shot of Southgate. His game is too defensive, and tactically negative. |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors.
I don't think the bottling came from the penalties but how we played after going 1-0 up. We had chances but still tried to sit back when Italy were there for the taking. Southgate still did a brilliant job considering where we were when he started, but it's definitely time for new ideas.
Yep, can't agree more that he is too defensive a manager. He'll go, and rightly so.
Shows how far we've come though that 2 Euro finals in a row with a WC semi too is somehow not considered success for England. We still cream ourselves over 1990 and 1996 and he's outdone both of those 'greats'."
Just a reminder, England DID win a euros final, at Wembley, in 2022  |
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"I had backed it to go into extra time, it nearly did. We should have been more alert to the danger of Williams, imo the man of the match. Given way too much space for the first goal. It’s going to be lively on the streets of Berlin tonight.
Did they award a player of the match award? If it's not gone to Nico Williams, then I'll eat my shorts! He's been epic.
No one knew he was there Saka didn’t follow him back idk"
If England weren't expecting Williams to play as he did, then whoever is in charge of planning tactics needs to be sacked. |
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"It was a very good tournament. The gap between the traditional big teams and minor teams has definitely shrunk.
England needed to play to their strengths which is fast attacking football without fear. But some players looked tired.
Kane did not offer much of an outlet when needed hence the uplift woth the subs but overall the future looks bright.
I also think Southgate will go. He took too much criticism for the 1st three games.
If England are going to play to the strengths you mention, we need shot of Southgate. His game is too defensive, and tactically negative."
I agree. He deservingly has the respect of the players but These players are too good to sit back. But who can keep these players together. I can only think of Klop. |
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"Shows how far we've come though that 2 Euro finals in a row with a WC semi too is somehow not considered success for England. We still cream ourselves over 1990 and 1996 and he's outdone both of those 'greats'."
Exactly, this has essentially been England's greatest run in our living memory and Southgate and the culture he set is a big reason for that. But it does need to be replicated on the pitch too. |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors.
I don't think the bottling came from the penalties but how we played after going 1-0 up. We had chances but still tried to sit back when Italy were there for the taking. Southgate still did a brilliant job considering where we were when he started, but it's definitely time for new ideas.
Yep, can't agree more that he is too defensive a manager. He'll go, and rightly so.
Shows how far we've come though that 2 Euro finals in a row with a WC semi too is somehow not considered success for England. We still cream ourselves over 1990 and 1996 and he's outdone both of those 'greats'.
Just a reminder, England DID win a euros final, at Wembley, in 2022 "
Was a great win but we did not get a bank holiday for it! |
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"It was a very good tournament. The gap between the traditional big teams and minor teams has definitely shrunk.
England needed to play to their strengths which is fast attacking football without fear. But some players looked tired.
Kane did not offer much of an outlet when needed hence the uplift woth the subs but overall the future looks bright.
I also think Southgate will go. He took too much criticism for the 1st three games.
If England are going to play to the strengths you mention, we need shot of Southgate. His game is too defensive, and tactically negative.
I agree. He deservingly has the respect of the players but These players are too good to sit back. But who can keep these players together. I can only think of Klop. "
Klopp would be a great shout. FA, sign him up.
(*FA to appoint Graham Potter*) |
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"Spain have been by far the best team.
Gareth gone?
Gareth will go, and it's time. He's far too conservative, we can all see that.
But he's a decent and honourable man, who's delivered more for England than any other manager since Ramsey.
He’s also underachieved.
Croatia ‘18 - bottled it, Italy ‘20 - bottled it. Tonight - beaten by the only good team we’ve played in this tournament. When your main asset as a manager is luck, there’s not much left when it runs out
I mean, possibly. Not sure losing on penalties last time counts as "bottling it", but we can agree to disagree in that.
I'm not a fan - he's too defensive - but no other manager has managed even to get an England team to a major final since 1966 and we can't suggest that's not a major shift from his predecessors.
I don't think the bottling came from the penalties but how we played after going 1-0 up. We had chances but still tried to sit back when Italy were there for the taking. Southgate still did a brilliant job considering where we were when he started, but it's definitely time for new ideas.
Yep, can't agree more that he is too defensive a manager. He'll go, and rightly so.
Shows how far we've come though that 2 Euro finals in a row with a WC semi too is somehow not considered success for England. We still cream ourselves over 1990 and 1996 and he's outdone both of those 'greats'.
Just a reminder, England DID win a euros final, at Wembley, in 2022
Was a great win but we did not get a bank holiday for it!"
Nor is England getting a BH after tonight  |
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By (user no longer on site) 28 weeks ago
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From a non football fan perspective the England fans and press need to get their act together. The love and the hatred of the manager in every championship they play in makes me wonder why the hell anyone wants the job. |
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"From a non football fan perspective the England fans and press need to get their act together. The love and the hatred of the manager in every championship they play in makes me wonder why the hell anyone wants the job. "
I don’t suspect he cares about people hating him when he’s wiping his arse with £10 notes |
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"From a non football fan perspective the England fans and press need to get their act together. The love and the hatred of the manager in every championship they play in makes me wonder why the hell anyone wants the job. "
Every manager in football gets scrutinised to this level. Its the perks of the job. Just look at what happened with Arsene Wenger. In the glory days he was the worlds most loved manager, but as soon as the club started underperforming he became the worlds most hated. When managers become managers, they expect this level of scrutiny. Its the same treatment that football players get too. Theres a reason that theyre paid ridiculous amounts of money. |
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"On the plus side ... Premier League is back soon
Proper football.
Only for 115 FC to inevitably win it again
I’d rather them win it than any of the others tbf."
The problem is we as fans can see through it and know none of it matters but the way the pundits are going to bend over and talk about how amazing they are sickens me |
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"On the plus side ... Premier League is back soon
Proper football.
Only for 115 FC to inevitably win it again
I’d rather them win it than any of the others tbf.
The problem is we as fans can see through it and know none of it matters but the way the pundits are going to bend over and talk about how amazing they are sickens me"
Until they’re found guilty you have to praise them. They have the best squad, the best manager and play great football. The narrative will change if they are found guilty. |
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"On the plus side ... Premier League is back soon
Proper football.
Only for 115 FC to inevitably win it again
I’d rather them win it than any of the others tbf.
The problem is we as fans can see through it and know none of it matters but the way the pundits are going to bend over and talk about how amazing they are sickens me
Until they’re found guilty you have to praise them. They have the best squad, the best manager and play great football. The narrative will change if they are found guilty. "
As a united fan, I despise city but I have eyes and must agree with you. They have the best players and play the best football. Anyone that disagrees is delusional. |
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By (user no longer on site) 28 weeks ago
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"On the plus side ... Premier League is back soon
Proper football.
Only for 115 FC to inevitably win it again
I’d rather them win it than any of the others tbf.
The problem is we as fans can see through it and know none of it matters but the way the pundits are going to bend over and talk about how amazing they are sickens me
Until they’re found guilty you have to praise them. They have the best squad, the best manager and play great football. The narrative will change if they are found guilty. "
I'll do no such thing and continue my bitter crusade, thank you veryuch  |
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By *elronMan 28 weeks ago
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The team with the most money the best players and manager usually wins the premier League.City have played the best football for a good couple of years.Im no city supporter btw.
Spain's players were better in all positions every Spanish player is comfortable with the ball at his feet under pressure England have good players but not many world class as the pundits would have you believe. |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football."
You cared enough to take the time to come into a football based thread just to let us al know how little you care.
Must care a little then eh? |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football."
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do. |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do."
Does Amos still run The Woolpack? |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?"
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over. |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over. "
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
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Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle? |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?"
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head?? |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head??"
What a dirty dog! I'm so glad Charlene dumped him. |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head??
What a dirty dog! I'm so glad Charlene dumped him."
I know, poor Wellard |
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?"
Yes. But before he put Bettys ‘hot pot’ up for sale to the highest bidders. |
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By *olkiMan 28 weeks ago
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head??
What a dirty dog! I'm so glad Charlene dumped him.
I know, poor Wellard "
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Yes. But before he put Bettys ‘hot pot’ up for sale to the highest bidders."
Sometimes I think they make soaps too far fetched. As if you could make that many individual hot pots.
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head??
What a dirty dog! I'm so glad Charlene dumped him.
I know, poor Wellard
I'd much rather watch you playing for 90 minutes "
That would be boring as fuck, the pitch would be empty because I don't play football |
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By (user no longer on site) 28 weeks ago
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football.
Yes. True. I can't wait to find out what Ange and Den decided to do.
Does Amos still run The Woolpack?
Think so. But I'm sure Nasty Nick tried to take it over.
And who’d have though that Benny would turn out to be a pimp.
Was that after he proposed to Mrs Mangle?
Was that before or after Ian Beale paid her to lick his bald head??
What a dirty dog! I'm so glad Charlene dumped him.
I know, poor Wellard
I'd much rather watch you playing for 90 minutes
That would be boring as fuck, the pitch would be empty because I don't play football "
I would not say you are boring |
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"England deserved to lose, shocking. Well done Spain 
I wouldn't say shocking but Spain played better. Well done England for coming second. "
Gutted not still to be on holiday, was in Spain too until 2 days ago, I'm patiently waiting to turn 40 to message you. You've been on my hotlist for a while x |
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By *929Man 28 weeks ago
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"Couldn't care less - it's a vastly overrated game anyway. At least next week, hopefully, Emmerdale and Coronation Steet will be back on again without being interrupted by stupid football."
Don’t worry mate can enjoy 2 years of the woman’s programmes now till the World Cup starts |
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