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By *enithWoman
over a year ago
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if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
I have mixed feelings about this: I love watching horse racing and jumps are thrilling. I always watch the Grand National.
I don't like horses, or people, getting hurt. It's been a while since I last rode one but I have never come across the horse you could force to make such jumps. I have seen some horses that I have felt just loved the thrill as much as the jockey.
The new safety measures don't seem to have helped much on the race today but I think I will still be watching tomorrow. |
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I have grown up with horses and horse racing... my dad bred race horses. Horses are very stubborn creatures if they don't want to do something they won't.. I know that animal protection agencies have been involved in the GN and fences have been changed and lowered... All sports are dangerous. I have known horses to drop dead during a dessage event... |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
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they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that |
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"all the no's??
so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ?  "
its human nature to make others suffer don't make it right but this is what the horses are bred for sure you could make it safe but the whole point is to test there endurance and breeding ect
when we ban everything that is a danger to others then sure we should also ban this |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"all the no's??
so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ? "
Well someone has to fill up the burger isle on Monday mate  |
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"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that "
you have not ridden a stubborn arab then lol |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that
you have not ridden a stubborn arab then lol "
ive got one |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is a subject that it brought up after every national, but the answer is the same the horse owners and jockeys know the risks.
I seem to remember seeing several stable hands trying to keep redrum under control, when it was making appearances at the national and not racing. |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"This is a subject that it brought up after every national, but the answer is the same the horse owners and jockeys know the risks.
I seem to remember seeing several stable hands trying to keep redrum under control, when it was making appearances at the national and not racing."
the owners and jockeys no the risks, but the horse doesn't have a choice does it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes!!! Or better measures put into place. Lower height of jumps for one.
And its not just the horses that get hurt but a jockey has been paralyzed for life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes!!! Or better measures put into place. Lower height of jumps for one.
And its not just the horses that get hurt but a jockey has been paralyzed for life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just to make things even they should establish a agency that whips the jockey and the owners the same amount of time the horses gets whipped during a race.
Now some might find this kinky and get of on it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i dont agree with it at all, trouble is you could say its cruel to have new forest ponies because they are kept outside in all the bad weather and they dont get enough to eat.
it is cruel but maybe not as cruel as the way some other animals are treated.
it should be banned realy but it never will be. |
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"all the no's??
so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ? "
those horses are treated better than most humans are lol they have nice stables, a team of people looking after their well being and health etc
if we ban this we should ban crufts which encourages the breeding of disabilities into dogs etc
we should ban the killing of animals for meat. there are animals bred for suffering and sacrifice!
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"Just to make things even they should establish a agency that whips the jockey and the owners the same amount of time the horses gets whipped during a race.
Now some might find this kinky and get of on it.
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jockeys are fined for overuse of the whip these days, they have special whips that record how often a whip is used during the race. |
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Races horses get heated stables and pretty much as evie said... Hence why its so expensive to have race horses.. they are also only raced a certain amount of times a year and the horses that raced today pretty much won't do much for the rest of the year..Horses are trained all year round for the GN...
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Just said on tv that all runners are back safe and sound."
alot of the horses die tonight which u may or may not hear about, on the other hand the winner is 11 years old and has run it a few times so ??? arguments for both sides |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I bet on a few horses, have about £4 in winnings I think, but have to admit I didn't enjoy watching the race.
I know the horses are bred for racing, are trained, I don't know whether they like to race and jump or whether the whip and the kicks to the side of the horse hurts them, but I just didn't enjoy watching it knowing I played a small part, by betting on them, of making these horses run.
Its not something I could do regularly, feel a but uncomfortable with it. |
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of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that "
So in the wild when they come to an obstacle do they walk the long way around it??? |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)
they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that
So in the wild when they come to an obstacle do they walk the long way around it???"
some might, or they would jump out there paddocks at home all the time for fun which they do not,stick a bloke up on top beating its backside then yes it will jump, given the choice probably not!! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents."
Sometimes they die rolling around in their field. Strange, magnificent beasts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"my brother one £350ish quid, backed the winner with 5pound happy days "
So you start a post criticising the National yet now jubilant that your brother has made money from it! Slightly hypocritical!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"40 runners and riders went to Aintree....
40 will go home tonight....
Nuff said....several horses have died this week on the same course already, not today maybe but this week there its happened... and some wont make it thru tonight , home safe yes make it thru the night maybe not  "
2 have died at Aintree this week not several. Battlefront on Thursday had a heart attack and Little Josh broke his shoulder yesterday. |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"my brother one £350ish quid, backed the winner with 5pound happy days
So you start a post criticising the National yet now jubilant that your brother has made money from it! Slightly hypocritical!!!!!"
correction i havnt said my feelings on the national at all just posted to see what opinion was and have given argument for both sides |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Looking back on your posts they concentrate on the negatives so not particularly balanced no"
i agree but thats because most people are in favour or are arguing the positives, so ill go the other way and point out negatives, or it would be boring to have just one side and we all agreed doesnt mean its what i necessarily believe i have mixed feeling on the national if im honest can see both sides |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes, ban it! Its barbaric and the fences r way too high. These people are supposed to love animals. Yeah right, i dont see whipping an animal around a race track as treating it with loving care. And if they die because of it, thats really loving an animal aint it, not! |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Yes, ban it! Its barbaric and the fences r way too high. These people are supposed to love animals. Yeah right, i dont see whipping an animal around a race track as treating it with loving care. And if they die because of it, thats really loving an animal aint it, not!"
i agree the whipping could be banned don't see why that has to happen, if no one has a whip then there all on a leval playing field so no need to beat the animal.
altho i beleive its a 15 hit per race limit, and they are fined heavy if they go over that that dont make it rite tho  |
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"Yes, ban it! Its barbaric and the fences r way too high. These people are supposed to love animals. Yeah right, i dont see whipping an animal around a race track as treating it with loving care. And if they die because of it, thats really loving an animal aint it, not!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No it shouldn't. It's sport. People get hurt in sport often.
The horses do enjoy running. It's not nice when a horse gets hurt or worse but it shouldn't be banned |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.
over to you??? "
no
and thankfully there was none killed |
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"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.
over to you??? "
No it shouldn't be banned! Any equestrian sport is dangerous both for the horse and the rider, the fences have been adjusted over the years to be kinder to the horse! And the horses that take part like their job, if they didn't they just wouldn't run!
Thankfully this year no horses or riders were seriously injured |
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"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents."
Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.
The horse that died of the heart attack, I find it hard to believe they would enter a horse with a heart problem and those horses have specialist equine vets who would have given them a top to tail medical before entering them and during the training. Therefore I can guess that it was something that came on suddenly and maybe the horse was trained too hard.
Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.
These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.
However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lets ban everything shall we!?
My god, is it safe to have any sport after all? lol
Love the Grand National, after all its a British tradition....
If you do not like it, then do not watch it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Crikey way things are going folk will only be happy if fences are made of marshmallows. End of day i agree reduce to as safe as level as practicable but to think of banning it is ridiculous. What about polo. |
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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Crikey way things are going folk will only be happy if fences are made of marshmallows. End of day i agree reduce to as safe as level as practicable but to think of banning it is ridiculous. What about polo."
love polo hmmm minty |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Horses can die from a heart attack and twisted gut just by standing in its stable. Maybe I am pro horse racing as its what I have grown up with.."
Agree |
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"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.
Some are injected with allsorts and some vets turn a blind eye.
Money can buy you anything including dodgy vets.
Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.
The horse that died of the heart attack, I find it hard to believe they would enter a horse with a heart problem and those horses have specialist equine vets who would have given them a top to tail medical before entering them and during the training. Therefore I can guess that it was something that came on suddenly and maybe the horse was trained too hard.
Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.
These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.
However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning "
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"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.
Some are injected with allsorts and some vets turn a blind eye.
Money can buy you anything including dodgy vets.
Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.
The horse that died of the heart attack, I find it hard to believe they would enter a horse with a heart problem and those horses have specialist equine vets who would have given them a top to tail medical before entering them and during the training. Therefore I can guess that it was something that came on suddenly and maybe the horse was trained too hard.
Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.
These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.
However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning "
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"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.
i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.
Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.
The horse that died of the heart attack, I find it hard to believe they would enter a horse with a heart problem and those horses have specialist equine vets who would have given them a top to tail medical before entering them and during the training. Therefore I can guess that it was something that came on suddenly and maybe the horse was trained too hard.
Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.
These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.
However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning "
My cousin had a horse and at her stables amother was being led yo the paddock when one of its feet got stuck in a hole and it rippedoff . The horse had to be put down should they ban people owning horses because of that?
The stables where I used to ride had a horse have a heart attack whilst out on a hack. Should they ban people going out on hacks?
When I was a kid a horse at a friends stables was schooling over some fences and landed funny, breaking its cannon. You can't fix a broken legion a horse so it had to be put down. These weren't mega high fences and the ground was soft mulch. It was just a freak accident.
Things happen either at leisure, in schools, training or racing.
The course officials have listened to public concern and the start line was bought closer to the first jump, the fences were lowered as much as they safely could be (Amy lower and there is increased risk of injury die to horses being lazy on take off and landing) and because of these changes all runners and riders came back safe. |
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