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I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people 
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen? |
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"I feel like it would've happened already if it was going to.
I love cricket too! And TMS especially 
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I'm not tribal or obsessed, but about a month ago a friend took me to see Lancashire Thunder and Lightning and it rekindled something in me. And I'm super amused by Major League Cricket being a thing in America |
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By *4bimMan 20 weeks ago
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don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket? |
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By *C44Man 20 weeks ago
Newbourne |
"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?"
It's a bad thing, American money gets involved and it goes to the dogs, just look at F1, stupid tracks chasing the money in places that have no history or connection, changing race times to cater to American advertisers. The IPL has done enough damage to the game already (just look at the west indies test team) we don't need it. |
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"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?"
Cricket is the ultimate sport. It’s physical chess.
The septics haven’t got the attention span of a fruit fly so cricket will be s passing phase. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?"
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball. |
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"I feel like it would've happened already if it was going to.
I love cricket too! And TMS especially
J
I'm not tribal or obsessed, but about a month ago a friend took me to see Lancashire Thunder and Lightning and it rekindled something in me. And I'm super amused by Major League Cricket being a thing in America "
I am a member and often go and enjoy the beautiful game! |
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"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?
It's a bad thing, American money gets involved and it goes to the dogs, just look at F1, stupid tracks chasing the money in places that have no history or connection, changing race times to cater to American advertisers. The IPL has done enough damage to the game already (just look at the west indies test team) we don't need it. "
It's possible. I don't know much about the professionalism in India. I do know that they're going to focus on T20, so America is unlikely to have an effect on the tests.
I spent a few hours awhile ago watching Americans on Youtube trying to wrap their heads around cricket and watching some of the world cup. Taking the money and politics out of the equation, I thought that was really nice. (and MLC has a team in San Francisco, a city I have a slight emotional attachment to. The fact that their team name is the Unicorns is hysterical) |
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I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge."
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing. |
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By (user no longer on site) 20 weeks ago
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"I think it's too late to civilise those colonials, have you seen what they do to their tea?
Never say never "
Once tried explaining cricket to a couple of American colleagues. They struggled with the fact a game could last 5 days an still be a draw......... |
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By *C44Man 20 weeks ago
Newbourne |
"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?
It's a bad thing, American money gets involved and it goes to the dogs, just look at F1, stupid tracks chasing the money in places that have no history or connection, changing race times to cater to American advertisers. The IPL has done enough damage to the game already (just look at the west indies test team) we don't need it.
It's possible. I don't know much about the professionalism in India. I do know that they're going to focus on T20, so America is unlikely to have an effect on the tests.
I spent a few hours awhile ago watching Americans on Youtube trying to wrap their heads around cricket and watching some of the world cup. Taking the money and politics out of the equation, I thought that was really nice. (and MLC has a team in San Francisco, a city I have a slight emotional attachment to. The fact that their team name is the Unicorns is hysterical)"
That's the problem though, everyone goes off to chase big money in the ipl and big bash and even the 100,they don't play test cricket at a first class level, West indies 1st class cricket has basically died now. We may get 20 high octane franchise 20 over leagues around the world but test cricket is real cricket. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy going to watch limited overs and t20 has done a lot for getting the women's game where it is now in terms of exposure and money. But cricket is 5 days, red ball, pissed in the stands by 1pm on a Thursday. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing."
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed! |
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"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?
It's a bad thing, American money gets involved and it goes to the dogs, just look at F1, stupid tracks chasing the money in places that have no history or connection, changing race times to cater to American advertisers. The IPL has done enough damage to the game already (just look at the west indies test team) we don't need it.
It's possible. I don't know much about the professionalism in India. I do know that they're going to focus on T20, so America is unlikely to have an effect on the tests.
I spent a few hours awhile ago watching Americans on Youtube trying to wrap their heads around cricket and watching some of the world cup. Taking the money and politics out of the equation, I thought that was really nice. (and MLC has a team in San Francisco, a city I have a slight emotional attachment to. The fact that their team name is the Unicorns is hysterical)
That's the problem though, everyone goes off to chase big money in the ipl and big bash and even the 100,they don't play test cricket at a first class level, West indies 1st class cricket has basically died now. We may get 20 high octane franchise 20 over leagues around the world but test cricket is real cricket. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy going to watch limited overs and t20 has done a lot for getting the women's game where it is now in terms of exposure and money. But cricket is 5 days, red ball, pissed in the stands by 1pm on a Thursday. "
I'm just not a purist like that. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!"
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism. |
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By *4bimMan 20 weeks ago
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I suppose you could say that they are trying to expand the game of cricket like the NFL have with American football.
I'm sure with American marketing they could sell it to the people.
Could you see baseball stadiums have cricket and baseball on the same day?
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"I suppose you could say that they are trying to expand the game of cricket like the NFL have with American football.
I'm sure with American marketing they could sell it to the people.
Could you see baseball stadiums have cricket and baseball on the same day?
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Absolutely.
I think all sports go through these stages to some extent, to make it more accessible or profitable or worth the money it costs to keep it going.
The example that comes to mind - sorry it's obscure in this context - is the professionalisation of the Australian Football League (formerly Victorian) by hiring Tina Turner to do an Australian cover of Simply the Best
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By *C44Man 20 weeks ago
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I'm just not a purist like that."
And that's fair. I admit the purists keep it quite an elitist game but for me the skill in cricket is the battles of wits between the bowlers and batters. That can develop so much over 5 days. T20 is fun but the emphasis being put on it is damaging test cricket |
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"I think it's too late to civilise those colonials, have you seen what they do to their tea?
Never say never
Have you ever been to Alabama?  "
No. But I'm not going to slag off millions of people because of the behaviour of a few of them. |
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"I think it's too late to civilise those colonials, have you seen what they do to their tea?
Never say never
Have you ever been to Alabama?
No. But I'm not going to slag off millions of people because of the behaviour of a few of them."
I was joking. I love America, I am skeptical about whether cricket would take off though. Still who knows stranger things have happened. |
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By *C44Man 20 weeks ago
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"I dont know much about cricket, or Americans, so based on nothing at all, I reckon cricket is to slow for the Americans and they won't enjoy it. "
I thought that until I saw baseball, good god that's a slow repetitive game |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball."
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists |
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"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?"
Depends what format of the game you're talking about. The slogfest that is t20 or it's close neighbour the 100 or the long format 5 day test match.
I remember being in a bar in florida and discussing cricket with them and the concept of a 5 day contest that could end in an incredible draw blew their minds.
I'm not sure Americans grasp the concept of draws in sporting contests. It's too "slow" for American market. Having said that they can weave loads of commercials into the coverage. But no i think they'd rather do competive nerfing than learn cricket. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists "
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing. |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS 20 weeks ago
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It would be competing with baseball (rounders) which Americans will mistakenly see as a similar but better sport.
It wasn't very long ago that cricket was considered the national sport of many countries in the nearby West Indies, but even there it's been overtaken by athletics and football, and even other American sports like basketball and baseball (the latter already established in places like Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico) are starting to make inroads into countries which were previously cricket strongholds. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing."
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation "
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them."
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them.
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour."
Then why bring it up? |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them.
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour."
That's a pretty old trope. Pat Cummins has turned that all around. |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them.
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour.
That's a pretty old trope. Pat Cummins has turned that all around. "
I've got no idea. I don't pay that close attention. I enjoy the sport and get a slight warm fuzzy feeling if Australia does well.
And the worst thing I've ever done in the context of being a spectator is clapping when the away team saved a four. Because it was well played. How dare I. |
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"Once tried explaining cricket to a couple of American colleagues. They struggled with the fact a game could last 5 days an still be a draw........."
it's simple to explain ...
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have got out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them.
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour.
That's a pretty old trope. Pat Cummins has turned that all around.
I've got no idea. I don't pay that close attention. I enjoy the sport and get a slight warm fuzzy feeling if Australia does well.
And the worst thing I've ever done in the context of being a spectator is clapping when the away team saved a four. Because it was well played. How dare I."
A day out at the cricket is cheap in comparison too. Tv cricket Sadly hidden behind a pay wall now so kids are losing interest. |
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"Once tried explaining cricket to a couple of American colleagues. They struggled with the fact a game could last 5 days an still be a draw.........
it's simple to explain ...
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have got out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpbtLIxYBk (Cricket Explained for Baseball Fans) |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?
The Indian T20 is apparently extremely lucrative so they're trying to replicate it in the US.
There is a world cup - it was just held, and partly in the US. It was really interesting watching the commentary (particularly when the US beat Pakistan, that was a hell of an upset. Although some of the commentators pointed out that "Team USA" was more like "Team India A" - that's how they get around the lack of players)
I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
To us long suffering Pakistan fans, it was more torture, I often wonder why we still put up with it.
Kinda like masochists
Fair. I'm not super tribal. Like, I feel slightly pleased when Australia does well, but it's a passing thing.
You do know that the cricketing world hates Australia's team. They have a reputation
I'm Australian. I haven't done anything wrong. I support nearly silently.
If people want to feel badly about me because of an accident of birth and because of the behaviour of others born in the same place, that's on them.
We don't feel the same about all Australians, the Aussie cricket team has a reputation for sledging, casual racism and generally unpleasant behaviour.
That's a pretty old trope. Pat Cummins has turned that all around.
I've got no idea. I don't pay that close attention. I enjoy the sport and get a slight warm fuzzy feeling if Australia does well.
And the worst thing I've ever done in the context of being a spectator is clapping when the away team saved a four. Because it was well played. How dare I.
A day out at the cricket is cheap in comparison too. Tv cricket Sadly hidden behind a pay wall now so kids are losing interest. "
It's a shadow of itself now due to the paywall. The younger generation who grew up with a pay wall are not interested in cricket, even the Asian ones |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism."
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes! |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!"
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school. |
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I think American sports are too ingrained in their culture for it to properly take off in America even though they would have the infrastructure to support and afford taking it seriously. The way I see it is off football hasn't made it big over there, cricket has no chance! |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?"
I've legitimately got no idea. I just think the phrase and the sentiment behind it is disgusting. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school."
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not. |
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Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school.
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not."
Exactly what does political theory - or references to the Prime Minister, or denigration of my figure of speech - have to do with cricket, exactly?
You think T20 isn't real cricket. I don't. That's really all that's going on here. |
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As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators"
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc |
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Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc"
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school.
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not.
Exactly what does political theory - or references to the Prime Minister, or denigration of my figure of speech - have to do with cricket, exactly?
You think T20 isn't real cricket. I don't. That's really all that's going on here."
T20 is just a facet of society. The quick fix akin to a Mac Donald’s feasting of mundane needs. |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must"
Veggie patch was the great cover drive shot if Dad didn't catch us. Over the fence is six and out. Kitchen window is out and run for your lives |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school.
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not.
Exactly what does political theory - or references to the Prime Minister, or denigration of my figure of speech - have to do with cricket, exactly?
You think T20 isn't real cricket. I don't. That's really all that's going on here.
T20 is just a facet of society. The quick fix akin to a Mac Donald’s feasting of mundane needs."
There's no need to be so wildly unpleasant about your opinions, though. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school.
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not.
Exactly what does political theory - or references to the Prime Minister, or denigration of my figure of speech - have to do with cricket, exactly?
You think T20 isn't real cricket. I don't. That's really all that's going on here.
T20 is just a facet of society. The quick fix akin to a Mac Donald’s feasting of mundane needs."
I saw a McDonald's add today which read "good food for you" the word good had been graffiti'd over with "crap"  |
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"don't know you raise an interesting point.
Your not an irritant btw.
Anyway, I find exposing Americans to cricket fascinating as they already have an established baseball league in professional and college.
The money someone can earn in the majority league us staggering compared to what cricket would bring so from a young age you'd want a talented child to play baseball.
Do we need a world series of cricket?"
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As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
Veggie patch was the great cover drive shot if Dad didn't catch us. Over the fence is six and out. Kitchen window is out and run for your lives "
Any window was a run for it before we get into trouble.
I played a lot at school with friends. What did you use for a ball a full cricket ball or tennis ball? |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must"
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket? |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?"
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago. |
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"I don't know to what extent baseball and cricket are different skillsets - I've been exposed to very little baseball.
They are not comparable. Baseball is two dimensional, someone throws a ball at you from a standing start and some tries to belt it out of the ground.
Baseball has no strategy no guile no thought process and no style. Perfectly suited to America!
By the wayT20 is not cricket it’s pale imitation.
Test cricket .............the ultimate challenge.
If you don't consider T20 to be cricket then it being played in America probably isn't a problem.
I just see the different formats as different flavours of the same thing.
T20 is, I am afraid to say, not cricket. It’s a two hour thrash to appease the great unwashed!
OK.
My background in cricket comes from my family's working class regional background, so you'll have to excuse me for not agreeing with you. I really despise elitism.
Was your father a tool maker per chance. We can all play the working class card when needs be and elitism is borne from the working classes!
So it's not elitist to say that you should preserve a sport from "the great unwashed"? Jesus wept.
"Elitism is borne from the working classes"? That's incoherent. Kids, this is why you should stay in school.
Did Jesus really weep?
Did I say a sport should be preserved?
Have you read Freddie Engels? I fear not.
Exactly what does political theory - or references to the Prime Minister, or denigration of my figure of speech - have to do with cricket, exactly?
You think T20 isn't real cricket. I don't. That's really all that's going on here.
T20 is just a facet of society. The quick fix akin to a Mac Donald’s feasting of mundane needs.
There's no need to be so wildly unpleasant about your opinions, though."
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
Veggie patch was the great cover drive shot if Dad didn't catch us. Over the fence is six and out. Kitchen window is out and run for your lives
Any window was a run for it before we get into trouble.
I played a lot at school with friends. What did you use for a ball a full cricket ball or tennis ball?"
Tennis ball when I was really little, which is common in Kanga cricket in Australia (for really little kids). Then composite around the end of primary school, real shortly thereafter. |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago."
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc. |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?"
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms? |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
Veggie patch was the great cover drive shot if Dad didn't catch us. Over the fence is six and out. Kitchen window is out and run for your lives
Any window was a run for it before we get into trouble.
I played a lot at school with friends. What did you use for a ball a full cricket ball or tennis ball?
Tennis ball when I was really little, which is common in Kanga cricket in Australia (for really little kids). Then composite around the end of primary school, real shortly thereafter."
In the Asian countries the taped up tennis ball is very common.
Is cricket still available to watch for free on TV in Australia? Or do you have to pay? |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
Veggie patch was the great cover drive shot if Dad didn't catch us. Over the fence is six and out. Kitchen window is out and run for your lives
Any window was a run for it before we get into trouble.
I played a lot at school with friends. What did you use for a ball a full cricket ball or tennis ball?
Tennis ball when I was really little, which is common in Kanga cricket in Australia (for really little kids). Then composite around the end of primary school, real shortly thereafter.
In the Asian countries the taped up tennis ball is very common.
Is cricket still available to watch for free on TV in Australia? Or do you have to pay?"
I've not lived in Australia for over a decade, so I can't tell you what it's like now, but it used to be that all tests were free to air (and radio - I enjoy dropping in and out of radio coverage for tests) as well as interstate one day. I believe the Big Bash (T20) was initially free to air as well, or at least parts of it. |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms?"
I am a member at LCC and without those supporting county cricket then the test circuit would die. That’s my point white ball cricket is just a quick fix designed by the marketeers to appease the great unwashed. That might offend the more histrionic fabsters who find my opinion unpleasant but I really don’t care. And I played with a corky, joe pads helmet or gloves. |
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I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago.
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc."
They're just the 2 you can think of. A quick Google will tell you it's been much higher than that. No skin off my nose, but an article this year says 57% of the players used this year went to private school. Given only about 7% of the population do, that's a big over representation. |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago.
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc.
They're just the 2 you can think of. A quick Google will tell you it's been much higher than that. No skin off my nose, but an article this year says 57% of the players used this year went to private school. Given only about 7% of the population do, that's a big over representation."
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms?
I am a member at LCC and without those supporting county cricket then the test circuit would die. That’s my point white ball cricket is just a quick fix designed by the marketeers to appease the great unwashed. That might offend the more histrionic fabsters who find my opinion unpleasant but I really don’t care. And I played with a corky, joe pads helmet or gloves. "
I don't get your point. So you don't "appease the great unwashed" - aka, broaden the game's appeal - and let it die off but keep the purists happy? Surely there's room for both! |
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"Test cricket is too long and to me gets boring. I now prefer the shorter games, one day or twenty twenty. "
I am hesitant to say but I rest my case. I don’t like cricket! |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago.
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc.
They're just the 2 you can think of. A quick Google will tell you it's been much higher than that. No skin off my nose, but an article this year says 57% of the players used this year went to private school. Given only about 7% of the population do, that's a big over representation.
You are really over thinking this."
I'm not. I'm correcting a factual question. I don't care what school people went to (whisper it, but I might be one of the 7%), but if you can't see a lack of broad representation is an issue then that's on you. Not to mention not delving into the widest possible talent pool! |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms?
I am a member at LCC and without those supporting county cricket then the test circuit would die. That’s my point white ball cricket is just a quick fix designed by the marketeers to appease the great unwashed. That might offend the more histrionic fabsters who find my opinion unpleasant but I really don’t care. And I played with a corky, joe pads helmet or gloves.
I don't get your point. So you don't "appease the great unwashed" - aka, broaden the game's appeal - and let it die off but keep the purists happy? Surely there's room for both!"
It’s my opinion.........I have no desire to watch nonsense cricket as it’s just baseball with bowlers that run! |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms?
I am a member at LCC and without those supporting county cricket then the test circuit would die. That’s my point white ball cricket is just a quick fix designed by the marketeers to appease the great unwashed. That might offend the more histrionic fabsters who find my opinion unpleasant but I really don’t care. And I played with a corky, joe pads helmet or gloves.
I don't get your point. So you don't "appease the great unwashed" - aka, broaden the game's appeal - and let it die off but keep the purists happy? Surely there's room for both!
It’s my opinion.........I have no desire to watch nonsense cricket as it’s just baseball with bowlers that run!"
Cool. Don't watch then, and leave it to those that like it. Easy. |
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By (user no longer on site) 20 weeks ago
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators
I mostly came to enjoy it by playing in the backyard, etc
Didn't we all, I read the autobiography of Javed Miandad, apparently he was so poor they couldn't afford batting pads so he became an expert at wicket keeping and batting in order not to be hurt. When needs must
And fast cricket allied with a kfc is what the conglomerates want the great unwashed to desire!
Dancing idiots on the boundaries, idiot musical interludes power plays and teams sponsored by crisp companies and fast food outlets. Is that cricket?
It's a form of cricket, yes. And surely better to try and attract new fans to the game than let it wither on the vine with barely anyone watching? Have you seen the attendance figures for the county championship vs the short forms?
I am a member at LCC and without those supporting county cricket then the test circuit would die. That’s my point white ball cricket is just a quick fix designed by the marketeers to appease the great unwashed. That might offend the more histrionic fabsters who find my opinion unpleasant but I really don’t care. And I played with a corky, joe pads helmet or gloves.
I don't get your point. So you don't "appease the great unwashed" - aka, broaden the game's appeal - and let it die off but keep the purists happy? Surely there's room for both!
It’s my opinion.........I have no desire to watch nonsense cricket as it’s just baseball with bowlers that run!
Cool. Don't watch then, and leave it to those that like it. Easy."
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?"
Stuart broad? |
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"Cricket historically wasn't as elite as say golf or tennis.
As a team sport they needed the great unwashed to do the mundane hard slog.
Tho I have to say that the paywall in the UK has destroyed interest in the sport. Very short term thinking by the administrators"
Any sport it seems with rules that are adhered to and values that are appreciated by supporters is now labelled by the cheap and inaccurate trope elitism. Go visit the village cricket clubs around Lancashire and Yorkshire and see who is playing cricket. Of all the sports cricket is the least elite. What seems to trouble some people is that many (not all) elite players have spent more time having better coaching. This is true of all sports. But if people really want to make it they can. There's inspiring individuals to be found in all sports. |
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"I love it.
Taking cricket discussion out of the other thread before I really irritate people
Is trying to make professional cricket a thing in America a genius move, or trying to make fetch happen?"
Not sure how much was spent promoting the game in USA, but I know tv coverage was very limited, apparently only on some specialist sports sites, not sure they will know the impact for a wile |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago.
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc.
They're just the 2 you can think of. A quick Google will tell you it's been much higher than that. No skin off my nose, but an article this year says 57% of the players used this year went to private school. Given only about 7% of the population do, that's a big over representation."
Maybe, it does sound like an issue. |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
The stats really don't bare that out, certainly not for the England cricket team. "Elite" is obviously subjective, but if you use private schooling as one measure (and there are private schools and there are private schools, obviously), privately educated men have been heavily over represented in the England cricket team for decades.
Access to cricket in the state system is part of this of course and not blaming the players - they don't choose their schools! There was a whole report on it a couple of years ago.
It's true probably at the club level, I can only think of David Gower and maybe Alastair Campbell who in recent years may have come from such a background. Most of the other England greats were commoners like Fred Truman, Botham, or imports from south Africa like Allan lamb, robin smith, or imports from elsewhere, Devon Malcolm etc.
They're just the 2 you can think of. A quick Google will tell you it's been much higher than that. No skin off my nose, but an article this year says 57% of the players used this year went to private school. Given only about 7% of the population do, that's a big over representation.
Maybe, it does sound like an issue."
I believe many of the West Indies team also go to private schools |
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
Stuart broad? "
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"Surely most of the cricket greats came from the great unwashed, I mean how many elite types were actually good cricketers.
I can't think of a single one in the last 30 years, can you name any?
Stuart broad?
Zak Crawley"
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