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By (user no longer on site) OP 20 weeks ago
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Hi guys/admin- quick question… what is the site policy in relation to cyberflashing? This is a sex site, so surely this doesnt apply for fab?x
Honest and genuine question- just because if it applies, people should be made aware to stop unsolicited images? X |
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Cyberflashing rules apply anywhere where UK Law applies. Including here. Unsolicited PM messages with nudity etc technically are cyberflashing yes. Accessing the site and seeing nudity is not cyberflashing because you are actively choosing to access adult content. It's the unsolicited nature of images/videos where it's an issue. |
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Just because it's a sex site doesn't exclude it from the law! Yes you expect to see some explicit images.
Photos we chose to see on profiles are very much different to having them spammed in a private inbox where they aren't asked for, if not consented to then privately messaging someone your cock is cyber flashing. |
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"Just because it's a sex site doesn't exclude it from the law! Yes you expect to see some explicit images.
Photos we chose to see on profiles are very much different to having them spammed in a private inbox where they aren't asked for, if not consented to then privately messaging someone your cock is cyber flashing."
Serious Q ......
Are avatars with any level of nudity considered to be cyberflashing?
I'm going to root out a definition I think |
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"Just because it's a sex site doesn't exclude it from the law! Yes you expect to see some explicit images.
Photos we chose to see on profiles are very much different to having them spammed in a private inbox where they aren't asked for, if not consented to then privately messaging someone your cock is cyber flashing.
Serious Q ......
Are avatars with any level of nudity considered to be cyberflashing?
I'm going to root out a definition I think "
I would expect not, Granny, as by entering the site, you're signing up to view adult images/material. But I could be wrong. |
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"Just because it's a sex site doesn't exclude it from the law! Yes you expect to see some explicit images.
Photos we chose to see on profiles are very much different to having them spammed in a private inbox where they aren't asked for, if not consented to then privately messaging someone your cock is cyber flashing.
Serious Q ......
Are avatars with any level of nudity considered to be cyberflashing?
I'm going to root out a definition I think "
As we've agreed to see adult images I suspect not as we have the option to hide them if we so wish we've chosen not too, however that doesn't hide explicit pics in messages. |
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By *8on33Man 20 weeks ago
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what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ? |
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This is from a law firm.....
Cyberflashing is the act of intentionally sending someone an unsolicited sexual image from your device to another person’s device, without their consent. This can occur via social media, Bluetooth, AirDrop, or any other electronic means.
You must intend for the other person to see the genitals and be caused alarm, distress or humiliation. Alternatively, you can be guilty of this offence if you send the photograph or video with the intention of obtaining sexual gratification and are reckless as to whether the recipient will be caused alarm, distress or humiliation.
Cyberflashing is an either-way offence with a sentence of up to 2 years imprisonment.
Is 'here' Device to Device ? 'Does it come from your comp to my comp ? Seems to me it comes from a website ..... and not device to device
The 'offender' couldn't send if you weren't on here ...... so it's not device to device as such....
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?"
If you are browsing the forums there is a certain level of expectation that some people will have nudity in their avatar. Likewise, there is a certain expectation that nudity will show up in your searches.
Receiving unsolicited nudes from strangers that you haven’t interacted with is completely different.
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By *8on33Man 20 weeks ago
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"This is from a law firm.....
Cyberflashing is the act of intentionally sending someone an unsolicited sexual image from your device to another person’s device, without their consent. This can occur via social media, Bluetooth, AirDrop, or any other electronic means.
You must intend for the other person to see the genitals and be caused alarm, distress or humiliation. Alternatively, you can be guilty of this offence if you send the photograph or video with the intention of obtaining sexual gratification and are reckless as to whether the recipient will be caused alarm, distress or humiliation.
Cyberflashing is an either-way offence with a sentence of up to 2 years imprisonment.
Is 'here' Device to Device ? 'Does it come from your comp to my comp ? Seems to me it comes from a website ..... and not device to device
The 'offender' couldn't send if you weren't on here ...... so it's not device to device as such....
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I would say 'here' isn't device to device so the law doesn't cover this site ,wouldn't you ? |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
If you are browsing the forums there is a certain level of expectation that some people will have nudity in their avatar. Likewise, there is a certain expectation that nudity will show up in your searches.
Receiving unsolicited nudes from strangers that you haven’t interacted with is completely different.
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol"
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ? |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?"
I'm analogue  |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
If you are browsing the forums there is a certain level of expectation that some people will have nudity in their avatar. Likewise, there is a certain expectation that nudity will show up in your searches.
Receiving unsolicited nudes from strangers that you haven’t interacted with is completely different.
This "
I don't This this cos I see this as exactly the same thing. |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?
I'm analogue "
I heard you've still got steam valves  |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?"
Are friends electric? |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?
I'm analogue
I heard you've still got steam valves "
Yes, one must shovel coal into my hole to keep me steaming  |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?
Are friends electric? "
They could be from a family full of eccentrics. |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?"
If you send it from a device and is recieved by a device it doesn't matter if it was air dropped, WiFi, Bluetooth etc etc.
It still goes from device to device.
Really isn't rocket science to work out lol
Judge, it's ok I sent it from my whatsapp on my computer to someone's mobile. I'm exempt Lol |
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"Device to devise
Means can be sent from your device comp/mobile to another person's comp/mobile.
It doesn't have to be mobile to mobile, comp to comp lol
I get the C4V..... but web to web.....isn't device to device. At the bottom it said 'or by any electronic means' ... so I guess we are electric are we not ?
If you send it from a device and is recieved by a device it doesn't matter if it was air dropped, WiFi, Bluetooth etc etc.
It still goes from device to device.
Really isn't rocket science to work out lol
Judge, it's ok I sent it from my whatsapp on my computer to someone's mobile. I'm exempt Lol"
It's definitely not rocket science that someone putting a pic on here does not send it to my device. |
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From Gov CPS site
Cyberflashing typically involves sending an unsolicited sexual or nude image to victims via social media or dating apps, but can also take place through data sharing services with strangers such as Bluetooth and Airdrop – something which commonly happens on the transport network. The Online Safety Act has criminalised this behaviour and the Crown Prosecution Service will now be able to hold offenders to account through the court of law.
Would anyone put FAB in the dating site category ? |
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"You must intend for the other person to see the genitals and be caused alarm, distress or humiliation. Alternatively, you can be guilty of this offence if you send the photograph or video with the intention of obtaining sexual gratification and are reckless as to whether the recipient will be caused alarm, distress or humiliation."
Most people on here won't be sending pictures hoping to cause alarm, distress or humiliation. They're doing it to try and get you interested for sex.
I admit some photos might cause alarm, but is that due to the recklessness of the sender? Maybe for some extreme photos. But generally most pictures of an erect penis seem unlikely to be classed as cyber flashing. |
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"You must intend for the other person to see the genitals and be caused alarm, distress or humiliation. Alternatively, you can be guilty of this offence if you send the photograph or video with the intention of obtaining sexual gratification and are reckless as to whether the recipient will be caused alarm, distress or humiliation.
Most people on here won't be sending pictures hoping to cause alarm, distress or humiliation. They're doing it to try and get you interested for sex.
I admit some photos might cause alarm, but is that due to the recklessness of the sender? Maybe for some extreme photos. But generally most pictures of an erect penis seem unlikely to be classed as cyber flashing. "
The Revised Act makes clear that the crimes are punishable and : intent , harm , sexual gratification, distress , humiliation etc are now erroneous...... it's do it and die..... it's punishable on it's own. |
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The only time we will get a definitive answer is when someone from FAB is taken to court and a ruling is given.
We can all read the laws and say how it should be interpreted but a Judge making a ruling is where it actually gets real. |
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"Just because it's a sex site doesn't exclude it from the law! Yes you expect to see some explicit images.
Photos we chose to see on profiles are very much different to having them spammed in a private inbox where they aren't asked for, if not consented to then privately messaging someone your cock is cyber flashing."
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?"
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes. |
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"Hi guys/admin- quick question… what is the site policy in relation to cyberflashing? This is a sex site, so surely this doesnt apply for fab?x
Honest and genuine question- just because if it applies, people should be made aware to stop unsolicited images? X"
Can I just say…
If anyone wants to cyberflash me with naughty images of their willys, lady bits, bums or boobs then I give my full consent!
I love seeing pics of nice big willys and love the pang of jealousy I feel when I see a pic of a woman with lovely curves bums and boobs .
Just saying !
Mind I studied fine art at uni so I am allowed to admire the human form  |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes."
When someone messages you, you can see that there's an attachment. You could choose to delete any messages with a pic attached, without opening |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes.
When someone messages you, you can see that there's an attachment. You could choose to delete any messages with a pic attached, without opening "
So I can never see a face pic? that's not a great idea is it. |
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By *a LunaWoman 20 weeks ago
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Fab has the option to hide all explicit images so I’m not sure. The defence could be that you joined Fab (knowing what the site is) and chose not to click the “hide all explicit images” which is the equivalent of an adult safe search button when setting up your profile, so therefore you actually consented to having said images be viewable to you because you did not actually consent NOT to have them viewable. So not sure there would be any argument as to the profile pics.
Sending/receiving them will of course be different. |
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"Hi guys/admin- quick question… what is the site policy in relation to cyberflashing? This is a sex site, so surely this doesnt apply for fab?x
Honest and genuine question- just because if it applies, people should be made aware to stop unsolicited images? X
Can I just say…
If anyone wants to cyberflash me with naughty images of their willys, lady bits, bums or boobs then I give my full consent!
I love seeing pics of nice big willys and love the pang of jealousy I feel when I see a pic of a woman with lovely curves bums and boobs .
Just saying !
Mind I studied fine art at uni so I am allowed to admire the human form "
Maybe there should be a tick box that allows graphic images to be received and marks profile ok to get xxx pics |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes.
When someone messages you, you can see that there's an attachment. You could choose to delete any messages with a pic attached, without opening
So I can never see a face pic? that's not a great idea is it."
If you're chatting to someone you could easily request one. |
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"Hi guys/admin- quick question… what is the site policy in relation to cyberflashing? This is a sex site, so surely this doesnt apply for fab?x
Honest and genuine question- just because if it applies, people should be made aware to stop unsolicited images? X
Can I just say…
If anyone wants to cyberflash me with naughty images of their willys, lady bits, bums or boobs then I give my full consent!
I love seeing pics of nice big willys and love the pang of jealousy I feel when I see a pic of a woman with lovely curves bums and boobs .
Just saying !
Mind I studied fine art at uni so I am allowed to admire the human form
Maybe there should be a tick box that allows graphic images to be received and marks profile ok to get xxx pics "
This is the obvious solution, those that want to can opt out. |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes.
When someone messages you, you can see that there's an attachment. You could choose to delete any messages with a pic attached, without opening
So I can never see a face pic? that's not a great idea is it.
If you're chatting to someone you could easily request one."
I don't want to spend my time chatting to someone without one upfront. Time is precious. |
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"what's the difference between an explicit pic as an avatar which you can see and accept and an explicit pic in your inbox ?You don't know that person either way so how does it make it different if they inbox you bearing in mind you've seen the pic before it's his avatar?
You can say you haven't given permission for it to be sent but you can see it ?
You can choose to hide avatars you can't choose to hide inboxes.
When someone messages you, you can see that there's an attachment. You could choose to delete any messages with a pic attached, without opening
So I can never see a face pic? that's not a great idea is it.
If you're chatting to someone you could easily request one.
I don't want to spend my time chatting to someone without one upfront. Time is precious."
This. |
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