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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should cap benefits at two children "
Should cap benefits at one kid , unless you lose your job , then if you have any more than the ones you already have it should be capped at however many you have
If your clever enough to claim benefits your clever enough to use birth control when your not working |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne. |
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"So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
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"Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
Absolutely. Sick, even for a posh boy who's out of touch. Plus the actions of the evil Philpott in no way indicate anything about others on benefit - do they? |
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done"
£500 a week? 
with no rent, redueced council tax, free school meals, free uniforms, free eye care, dental care and prescription, use of the PDSA if you have animals etc
suddenly I feel like a proper twat for bothering to go to work  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done
£500 a week?
with no rent, redueced council tax, free school meals, free uniforms, free eye care, dental care and prescription, use of the PDSA if you have animals etc
suddenly I feel like a proper twat for bothering to go to work "
It includes Housing Benefit. |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done
£500 a week?
with no rent, redueced council tax, free school meals, free uniforms, free eye care, dental care and prescription, use of the PDSA if you have animals etc
suddenly I feel like a proper twat for bothering to go to work "
I am not getting into a debate about unemployed and benefits, gawd knows it done to death on here...
But the 500 includes rent, as some greedy bastard private landlords charge that and much more a week......Why? Because they know it will be paid!
Not anymore it wont......
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"So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
Spot on cant believe Osborne would use the death of 6 kids in this way (well do believe it actually), Philpot is a class one wanker and would be with 1 pound or a million. |
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done
£500 a week?
with no rent, redueced council tax, free school meals, free uniforms, free eye care, dental care and prescription, use of the PDSA if you have animals etc
suddenly I feel like a proper twat for bothering to go to work "
If they're capping benefits... Personally think they should cap them at whatever the full time equivalent of the minimum wage is per person. Why should some people go out and work full time for less than half of what someone else gets on benefits and not working  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Philpott was and is a meglomaniac in his own little world. The same as Charles Manson. The crime has very little to do with benefits. Philpott was a parasite on society........ much the same as Lord Ashcroft. |
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"So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
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By (user no longer on site)
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The Tories will take every oppertuninty to screw the poor into the ground, even if it means using this to there example, i liken this goverment to the policing of the Hillsborough Disaster, eveyone but a few believed the police were right then, REASON being THE SUN said so, now is just another rich red top newspaper if you can call it that grinding the poor into the ground and doing the goverments work !!!!! |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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If they're capping benefits... Personally think they should cap them at whatever the full time equivalent of the minimum wage is per person. Why should some people go out and work full time for less than half of what someone else gets on benefits and not working "
Millions of unemployed would be over the moon if they were being given the equivalent of full time min wage!
Its about the rent being paid to private landlords.... |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9971393/George-Osborne-Why-should-the-taxpayer-fund-lifestyles-like-those-of-the-Philpotts.html
The man was asked a question because he happened to be in Derby today.
Listen to what he said...I think he only said what a lot of people think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should cap benefits at two children
Should cap benefits at one kid , unless you lose your job , then if you have any more than the ones you already have it should be capped at however many you have
If your clever enough to claim benefits your clever enough to use birth control when your not working "
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9971393/George-Osborne-Why-should-the-taxpayer-fund-lifestyles-like-those-of-the-Philpotts.html
The man was asked a question because he happened to be in Derby today.
Listen to what he said...I think he only said what a lot of people think."
Do you think for one minute Osbourne cared what happend to these poor children, co i dont, it blalent electionering, this goverment are on there knees, it an excuse for them to justifly there policys, and it takes the heat off the tax cuts for the rich |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Should cap benefits at two children
Should cap benefits at one kid , unless you lose your job , then if you have any more than the ones you already have it should be capped at however many you have
If your clever enough to claim benefits your clever enough to use birth control when your not working
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Do you think for one minute Osbourne cared what happend to these poor children, co i dont, it blalent electionering, this goverment are on there knees, it an excuse for them to justifly there policys, and it takes the heat off the tax cuts for the rich "
Can you back any of that up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done"
Double my annual salary for working full time, guess I'm a mug then |
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Do you think for one minute Osbourne cared what happend to these poor children, co i dont, it blalent electionering, this goverment are on there knees, it an excuse for them to justifly there policys, and it takes the heat off the tax cuts for the rich
Can you back any of that up?"
Of course i cant otherwise id be running the country, but history repetes its self everytime the Tories are in power, if you can remember that far back |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9971393/George-Osborne-Why-should-the-taxpayer-fund-lifestyles-like-those-of-the-Philpotts.html
The man was asked a question because he happened to be in Derby today.
Listen to what he said...I think he only said what a lot of people think.
Do you think for one minute Osbourne cared what happend to these poor children, co i dont, it blalent electionering, this goverment are on there knees, it an excuse for them to justifly there policys, and it takes the heat off the tax cuts for the rich "
I am guessing you didn't listen to it.
The man was asked a question, he answered. What does anyone want him to do? Say no I can't answer that question because people may not like it?
To be fair....he said what a lot of the posts about benefits say on this forum and that is they think scroungers shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
I suppose it depends on who says it as to how it will be welcomed. |
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wrong questions! This guy tried to kill two women before! He stabbed one 22 times and her mother once!He was imprisoned and released. He should of been identified as insane locked up and made to work everyday for the rest of his days! Instead he has been on two tv shows and allowed to protray himself as a system beater. Dont dam everyone punish those who break the rules affectively! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Of course i cant otherwise id be running the country, but history repetes its self everytime the Tories are in power, if you can remember that far back"
of course its always a tory thing...
one question though... out of curiousity
which party brought in the proposal to limit the wage rise of those in the public sector to a max of 1%... and a pay freeze for those earning over 19000....
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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in a sense I suppose the arguement would have been "how could they have coped on 50k?"
since it been revealed they were getting between 55-60k in benefits... plus remember this started because they wanted moving to a bigger house...... |
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Other than the £70 that gets paid in actual benefits, very little of that £26k is tangible, as has been said earlier !
It costs almost £500/week to keep someone in a homeless hostel, though I'm sure many people would rather they were back outside sleeping in doorways. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"wrong questions! This guy tried to kill two women before! He stabbed one 22 times and her mother once!He was imprisoned and released. He should of been identified as insane locked up and made to work everyday for the rest of his days! Instead he has been on two tv shows and allowed to protray himself as a system beater. Dont dam everyone punish those who break the rules affectively!"
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By (user no longer on site)
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I agree with this overarching generalisation by our glorious leaders and I for one will be giving my local post office a very wide berth on giro day for fear of being ripped limb from limb by these psychotic benefit scroungers. Mr Osbourne and Mr Cameron are fine upstanding men. Now if you will excuse me it's time for my medication and nap in my special room |
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The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up"
I think you already know I can. |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can."
How |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How "
The evidence presented in court, the judges summary and BBC news for the stats. |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How "
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it???? |
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about  "
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive. |
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Dont know how much it costs to run our wellfare system in the uk, but these stats seem pretty low to me in comparison
200 families claiming housing benefit have 10 or more children as taxpayers face £150million bill for 'benefit broods'
At least 40,000 families with five or more children are getting extra payouts
The total handouts to these parents come to £350million a year
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive. "
Ithink you did say that he seemed a pretty decent chap in one of your posts, was this after he nearly killed his previous partner |
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At one ? I've got 4 and I do pay maintenance every week but why should my kids suffer because of a failed long term relationship ? Me and my ex get on well now but too much water had gone under the bridge as so to speak and she does work part time so why should she suffer ? She never wanted to be in this situation of relying on the state like a lot of single parents |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????"
Oh dear... if you are going to just guess at least try a bit harder. |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????
Oh dear... if you are going to just guess at least try a bit harder."
I've just read what was presented at the court trial, and posted it up here, the artical WAS represented in the Daily Mail |
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive.
Ithink you did say that he seemed a pretty decent chap in one of your posts, was this after he nearly killed his previous partner "
What I actually said was that he came across as arrogant, but as I had no knowledge of any of his previous misdemeanors that I didn't think he was the type of guy to commit such a heinous crime. |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????
Oh dear... if you are going to just guess at least try a bit harder.
I've just read what was presented at the court trial, and posted it up here, the artical WAS represented in the Daily Mail "
I wouldn't know... I don't read tabloids. |
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive.
Ithink you did say that he seemed a pretty decent chap in one of your posts, was this after he nearly killed his previous partner
What I actually said was that he came across as arrogant, but as I had no knowledge of any of his previous misdemeanors that I didn't think he was the type of guy to commit such a heinous crime. "
"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
I have met him on a few occasions as has my housemate.
R.I.P little ones"
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????
Oh dear... if you are going to just guess at least try a bit harder.
I've just read what was presented at the court trial, and posted it up here, the artical WAS represented in the Daily Mail
I wouldn't know... I don't read tabloids."
Me too, i just googled it and there is was |
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What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!! |
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Of course I feel the same as most people have answered, that the benefits system should be revised regularly to ensure those in need are getting what they are entitled to and preventative measures in place to prevent scroungers abusing the system.
On the subject of Mick Philpott though, I don't think the crime he committed was solely benefit orientated. I believe the man was a control freak, treated his family like possessions, liked the status of being a virile man envied by having two women at his disposal who looked after him etc etc. I think the girlfriend removing 5 of his children and thereby upsetting the family unit that he saw himself head of, was the main catalyst behind the crime and not solely just to get a bigger house and retaining all the extra benefits. Indeed with the stabbing of an ex girlfriend many years before, shows that the man has problems with losing control. I believe this man was a nasty undesirable character regardless of whether he was in employment or not.
By all means the government should aim to look at the system regularly to ensure benefit is paid to those in need, but to shake up the system using this crime as an example seems unfair as I don't believe it was a crime committed solely to abuse the benefit system
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"So what will the government stance be on swinging?
What's the government stance on controlling men with a god-complex who like the limelight?
What's the government stance on helping abused women and their children to leave their abusers?
Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!"
Is everyone being tarred? |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!"
At least someone hasn't been smoking something tonight if Mr Osborne read this feed he would be getting ideas |
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"Of course I feel the same as most people have answered, that the benefits system should be revised regularly to ensure those in need are getting what they are entitled to and preventative measures in place to prevent scroungers abusing the system.
On the subject of Mick Philpott though, I don't think the crime he committed was solely benefit orientated. I believe the man was a control freak, treated his family like possessions, liked the status of being a virile man envied by having two women at his disposal who looked after him etc etc. I think the girlfriend removing 5 of his children and thereby upsetting the family unit that he saw himself head of, was the main catalyst behind the crime and not solely just to get a bigger house and retaining all the extra benefits. Indeed with the stabbing of an ex girlfriend many years before, shows that the man has problems with losing control. I believe this man was a nasty undesirable character regardless of whether he was in employment or not.
By all means the government should aim to look at the system regularly to ensure benefit is paid to those in need, but to shake up the system using this crime as an example seems unfair as I don't believe it was a crime committed solely to abuse the benefit system
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Very well said, but as youve seen, a few people beleive they should on here, god forbid anything ever happen to them, and they have to rely on the states help longterm |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!"
He didn't...have a listen to the inter_iew. |
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done
£500 a week?
with no rent, redueced council tax, free school meals, free uniforms, free eye care, dental care and prescription, use of the PDSA if you have animals etc
suddenly I feel like a proper twat for bothering to go to work "
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive.
Ithink you did say that he seemed a pretty decent chap in one of your posts, was this after he nearly killed his previous partner
What I actually said was that he came across as arrogant, but as I had no knowledge of any of his previous misdemeanors that I didn't think he was the type of guy to commit such a heinous crime.
"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
I have met him on a few occasions as has my housemate.
R.I.P little ones"
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Where then does it say "pretty decent chap"
Get your facts straight |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!"
And it takes the eyes off the fat cats/bankers/politicians etc etc who bleed us dry every day to a far greater degree than any benefit cheat, wrong as that is. |
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"He was driving round in a Mitsubishi GTO bi Turbo as well
This your mate your taking about
Who said he was my mate
I have met him a few times in the pub, but have not seen him for about 15 yrs. My housemate who also has the displeasure of knowing him, was doing some work next door and noticed what car was on the drive.
Ithink you did say that he seemed a pretty decent chap in one of your posts, was this after he nearly killed his previous partner
What I actually said was that he came across as arrogant, but as I had no knowledge of any of his previous misdemeanors that I didn't think he was the type of guy to commit such a heinous crime.
"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
I have met him on a few occasions as has my housemate.
R.I.P little ones"
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Where then does it say "pretty decent chap"
Get your facts straight "
i think the opertive word in your post is NOT, and i was being nice to you lol |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!
And it takes the eyes off the fat cats/bankers/politicians etc etc who bleed us dry every day to a far greater degree than any benefit cheat, wrong as that is."
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Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it"
Quite. He failed the first time so just had another go. All because they decided he should finally stand on his own two feet. |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it
Quite. He failed the first time so just had another go. All because they decided he should finally stand on his own two feet."
or the successful man who killed his
wife and daughter and shot all their horses
before burning his house down. maybe his
astute business skills were to blame |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it
Quite. He failed the first time so just had another go. All because they decided he should finally stand on his own two feet."
less of a bandwagon for some to jump on and bluster about maybe.. |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it"
people are more upset because it was so many kids that died in a horrible way. |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it
people are more upset because it was so many kids that died in a horrible way."
that isn't in question. neither was it the question |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it
people are more upset because it was so many kids that died in a horrible way."
The death of those poor children has hardly featured in the "let's cut off the money" arguments. In many posts there has been little thought for the children who will have to survive as their families hit the breadline. But it must be ok as it will stop others from thinking of having more than two children. |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it
Quite. He failed the first time so just had another go. All because they decided he should finally stand on his own two feet.
or the successful man who killed his
wife and daughter and shot all their horses
before burning his house down. maybe his
astute business skills were to blame"
both the above and the Philpot case were 'planned' by the perpetrators, dont think that Philpot intended to kill his children whereas the other two had murder in mind from the get go..
all are equally deplorable and vile acts..
all deserve (where applicable)the full penalty the law applies..
none should be used by anyone certainly in positions of power or influence to justify further attacks on the most needy in society or to influence future policy..
bet one will though.. |
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"Do the government have a stance on Stephen Seddon who was convicted of murdering his parents for a 250k inheritance a couple of weeks ago?
Does anyone? I certainly can't remember seeing endless threads about it"
Wonder what the uproar would be like if the gov suddenly decided to cap inheritence monies due to greedy in-laws? |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????"
The Daily Mail bashing is boring a d used to deflect any serious debate on this forum
How many hypocrites on this forum have used the deaths of these children to further a political point !!!! |
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"The guy used his kids as capital to generate income…. a scumbag of the highest order. If there is a flaw in the welfare system which makes this possible, should it not be stopped to prevent other scumbags doing the same?
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low, I can’t remember the exact total, but I do remember there are 40,000 with 5+ children. Personally I don’t care if it is 40,000 or 4. The system should not permit people to use breeding as a means to generate higher income…… it is not what the welfare state is there for.
Can you back that up
I think you already know I can.
How
Wouldnt be from an atical in the Daily Mail by any chance would it????
The Daily Mail bashing is boring a d used to deflect any serious debate on this forum
How many hypocrites on this forum have used the deaths of these children to further a political point !!!!"
But how can you have a serious debate when people are influenced by what they read in the rags, why do you think these and i say all these political parties place the imprortance of being in bed with them, look whats coming out about The Sun, and The News of the World closed because of it |
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I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits.."
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol |
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I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits..
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol "
ditto, one of my aunts had 11..
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"
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits..
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol "
yes but in your nannas day they didnt know any better and there was no birth control. |
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"
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits..
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol
ditto, one of my aunts had 11..
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my nan was the youngest of nine
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"
I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits..
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol
yes but in your nannas day they didnt know any better and there was no birth control."
Of course there was lol |
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I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though.
what about the actual individual circumstances..
each case on its merits..
i think its quite low tbh, if you go back to my nannas day, that was the norm lol
yes but in your nannas day they didnt know any better and there was no birth control.
Of course there was lol "
sorry i meant to say not as much birth control. |
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I know the number of unemployed with 10+ children is very low,
it's 30
still rather a lot though."
out of 18.2 Million families?. I wouldn't know how to work out the percentage |
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"Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne."
That's not what Osbourne said at all though is it. He said that a debate needs to be had about people LIKE Philpott who have umpteen children as a means to obtaining more and more benefits, although it is a bit of an own goal considering he's just capped benefits at £26k so it's a moot point really. |
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"all in all.... 6 kids never got to grow up.
very sad.
and he was asked a question, he answered "
You have confused the hell out of me on this thread....I am not sure wether you are changing your mind after reading what people have written or didn't read previous posts at all |
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"Using the death of six children as a way of presenting benefit cuts as a good thing is heinous, even for Osborne.
That's not what Osbourne said at all though is it.."
No. I did put the link in for people to have a look for themselves but it seems easier to just ignore the actual inter_iew to suit. |
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As much as Mick Phillpot is a detestable piece of scum who should be banged up for the rest of his life, I have been listening to all the rhetoric from both sides on this for the last few days and can't see where he actually 'abused' the system..
Would be nice if Gideon had come out and said 'we're going to change the system, remove the loopholes, and tighten it up so that no one can EXPLOIT the tax payer again', but he didn't, did he. He blamed Phillpot, not the 'system'.
Mick Phillpot certainly EXPLOITED the lack of 'control' (for want of a better word) in the system.
He is far from the only to do so and, all the time NO ONE ever gets fired from the Civil Service for allowing a system like that to persist, it will continue despite Gideon (et al's) best attempts to stir up anti-anyoneonbenefits feelings among the rest of the population. |
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Ridiculous and people wounder why there is no money when scroungers to lazy to work get more than the average wage what the hell is going on. I feel a mug for working. I best not go on to much lol. Yes there is genuine cases but most people are just abusing the system.
I have a degree and a fairly well paid job which requires it but cant afford a house of my own. |
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"Dont know how much it costs to run our wellfare system in the uk, but these stats seem pretty low to me in comparison
200 families claiming housing benefit have 10 or more children as taxpayers face £150million bill for 'benefit broods'
At least 40,000 families with five or more children are getting extra payouts
The total handouts to these parents come to £350million a year
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Well do the maths of 40 000 families on £26 0000 if that is all they where to get and you are talking silly money. There is also about 300 000 families who have never worked and claiming huge benefits. imagine what that would do for the deficit if they worked there would not be one. |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!"
£26K starving. I saw a program the other night on people in poverty but they all had designer cloths and big tv's and PlayStation and holidays but can't afford food so really we are not talking about letting kids stave with this kind of money. But the country has no money how can we afford it people need to get in the real world |
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"What a lot of bollocks some people spout! Limit the number of children people have!! Let the children starve by not paying for them!! What next? Force men to have the snip if they lose their job? Neuture women if they lose theirs? I thought we lived in a democracy, not some middle eastern country.
Sure, you get people who take advantage of the system, but there are a LOT more genuine people out there. But hey ho, lets tar EVERYBODY on benefits with the same brush just to make sure we get the FEW!!
£26K starving. I saw a program the other night on people in poverty but they all had designer cloths and big tv's and PlayStation and holidays but can't afford food so really we are not talking about letting kids stave with this kind of money. But the country has no money how can we afford it people need to get in the real world "
I'd afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick bud! They DON'T GET £26k in their pocket! That figure is only the cap regarding those families in huge houses requiring huge rents. Which the gov has capped at £500 per week! Not the joe bloggs down the street who gets £53 a week to live on! |
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done"
My daughter doesn't earn that as a nurse and can't afford to leave home.
Funny old world. |
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For years we were not allowed to discuss immigration, racists, bigots, prejudice, eugenics,Hitler, the master race etc etc, now finally we can discuss.
I am astounded that on this thread there are people who seem against debating the welfare state and Philpott. Its debate, for and against, is there a welfare factor in this, well I believe there is, we made Philpott but yes or no it needs debating and frankly its undemocratic to say otherwise.
Its NOT an attack on the poor or welfare claimants but a debate about a man who got rich of the state and killed his kids and drew money from the state at a level that most of us can only dream about,of course its relevant. |
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"well as of this week benefits are capped at £26k for the year (£500 per week) so I am not sure how much more can be done
My daughter doesn't earn that as a nurse and can't afford to leave home.
Funny old world."
I have a relative who does earn very close to that as a newish nurse. |
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