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Is a term coined by some Australians who have been called pushy or even hysterical while being treated as patients by the Australian Health system and claim that men's pain is taken more seriously. Is this true in England also? Certainly men have higher pain thresholds generally. It's all over the news |
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It's quite common for doctors to assume that women are exaggerating pain. I believe there are studies that hear this out although I can't point you to any.
I have certainly been asked "can't you just soldier on?" When I was in unbearable agony from spinal stenosis because the doctor thought I wanted time off work to go Christmas shopping .
He begrudgingly changed his mind when after several attempts, hitting harder each time, he couldn't find a reflex in my left ankle.
A woman doctor later told me that I am less likely to be believed because I 'present well'. Whatever that means |
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"It's quite common for doctors to assume that women are exaggerating pain. I believe there are studies that hear this out although I can't point you to any.
I have certainly been asked "can't you just soldier on?" When I was in unbearable agony from spinal stenosis because the doctor thought I wanted time off work to go Christmas shopping .
He begrudgingly changed his mind when after several attempts, hitting harder each time, he couldn't find a reflex in my left ankle.
A woman doctor later told me that I am less likely to be believed because I 'present well'. Whatever that means"
Because we look good/well kempt. I've had this so many times... They expect you to look like you've been dragged through a hedge backwards and not washed for a week if you're in pain. |
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"Well I've heard giving birth can make a woman wince a bit.
But it ain't man 'flu, that's for sure."
Being kicked in the bollocks is a worse pain than childbirth.
I know loads of people with 2 or more children.
I've never heard a bloke asking to be kicked in the spuds again.
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I don't know about the pain threshold thing but women's health in general is taken less seriously. We are always told to just take some Paracetamol or exercise more, or that we are overreacting, hysterical or emotional or imagining it. |
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"Well I've heard giving birth can make a woman wince a bit.
But it ain't man 'flu, that's for sure.
Being kicked in the bollocks is a worse pain than childbirth.
I know loads of people with 2 or more children.
I've never heard a bloke asking to be kicked in the spuds again.
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Couldn't agree more.
I have 3 kids.
Didn't feel a thing. |
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"Read Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez.
The gender data gap is a real thing.
Healthcare inequality is just one result.
Mrs TMN x"
Agreed entirely. Data gaps cut across race, sexual preferences, and other "knowledge-power" axes as well.
Grab a bit of Michel Foucault too for a chance to de-colonise cognitive biases from the way "Enlightenment Europe" set the game up the last 500 years.
And Woman At The Edge Of Time by Marge Piercy - one of my favourite books. |
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"Read Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez.
The gender data gap is a real thing.
Healthcare inequality is just one result.
Mrs TMN x
Agreed entirely. Data gaps cut across race, sexual preferences, and other "knowledge-power" axes as well.
Grab a bit of Michel Foucault too for a chance to de-colonise cognitive biases from the way "Enlightenment Europe" set the game up the last 500 years.
And Woman At The Edge Of Time by Marge Piercy - one of my favourite books."
Thanks, will investigate!
Mrs TMN x |
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By *orny PTMan 13 weeks ago
Peterborough |
Is it women who pluck, wax and epilate more than the men?What about wearing really uncomfortable shoes with heels that can cripple?
This is before we get into spanking and impact play.
None of this really sounds pain free: so based on this, I would say "no thanks, this hurts too much".
I have had fillings with out anaesthetic, because the first five needless failed to work, plus the deep muscle massages are really nice. So I'm not a complete wuss.
On the scientific note, pain can't be measured like heat or electrical signals. |
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By *batMan 13 weeks ago
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" On the scientific note, pain can't be measured like heat or electrical signals."
I think there's a bit of research done around this. I believe one of the tests was how long can you keep your hand in a bucket of almost freezing water. The longer you can keep it in, the more resistant to pain you are.
But I accept that pain might feel completely different to different people.
On a similar note, when you see the colour red, how do you know that's what everybody else sees when they see the colour red?
Blimey! I need a cup of tea!
(Lapsang souchong, lemon juice not milk. See other thread).
Gbat |
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By *indergirlWoman 13 weeks ago
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It is a reality, classic example... man has a vasectomy, he's given local anaesthetic and packed off woth painkillers to go home with.....
Woman goes for a coil change/smear/colposcopy etc, no local anaesthetic given, no painkillers given all because some doctor years ago claimed we have no nerve endings there....we bloody well do. I gave birth naturally with no pain relief and I would rather do that again over the above, I almost keeled over with the pain. |
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"Is it women who pluck, wax and epilate more than the men?What about wearing really uncomfortable shoes with heels that can cripple?
This is before we get into spanking and impact play.
None of this really sounds pain free: so based on this, I would say "no thanks, this hurts too much".
I have had fillings with out anaesthetic, because the first five needless failed to work, plus the deep muscle massages are really nice. So I'm not a complete wuss.
On the scientific note, pain can't be measured like heat or electrical signals."
Have you seen the videos of men screaming like banshees when they're being waxed?
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Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what?  Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby  |
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By *lynJMan 13 weeks ago
Morden |
"Well I've heard giving birth can make a woman wince a bit.
But it ain't man 'flu, that's for sure.
Being kicked in the bollocks is a worse pain than childbirth.
I know loads of people with 2 or more children.
I've never heard a bloke asking to be kicked in the spuds again.
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Try kidney stones. The medical professionals describe the pain as worse than childbirth. |
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By *orny PTMan 13 weeks ago
Peterborough |
" On the scientific note, pain can't be measured like heat or electrical signals.
I think there's a bit of research done around this. I believe one of the tests was how long can you keep your hand in a bucket of almost freezing water. The longer you can keep it in, the more resistant to pain you are.
But I accept that pain might feel completely different to different people.
On a similar note, when you see the colour red, how do you know that's what everybody else sees when they see the colour red?
Blimey! I need a cup of tea!
(Lapsang souchong, lemon juice not milk. See other thread).
Gbat "
You are right, this is a known test.
There is no SI unit for pain, like there is for electrical voltage, resistance, current, magnetic force etc.
The colour red has a a designated wave length, frequency, RGB, CMYK, HEX and Pantone number etc. This is easy to work out as we are starting from a fixed starting point. Think colour blind testing.
As someone who has a plastic lens (post cataract surgery) in my left eye, UV is more visible in my left eye and the right is like looking through a dirty car winscreen..
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"Turning pain into a gender competition doesn't seem like the best way to actually address the issue "
Unfortunately, it is necessary as many men in the medical profession simply don't believe women when they say they are in pain. Or simply don't take them seriously.
I saw a gynecologist about a lump and he suggested that I was mistaking my clitoris for a lump 
He was very lucky that the response was just condescending ... I was too shocked. |
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By *orny PTMan 13 weeks ago
Peterborough |
"Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what? Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby "
How much natural pain relief does a woman's body produce in labour? Has this been measured? |
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"Is it women who pluck, wax and epilate more than the men?What about wearing really uncomfortable shoes with heels that can cripple?
This is before we get into spanking and impact play.
None of this really sounds pain free: so based on this, I would say "no thanks, this hurts too much".
I have had fillings with out anaesthetic, because the first five needless failed to work, plus the deep muscle massages are really nice. So I'm not a complete wuss.
On the scientific note, pain can't be measured like heat or electrical signals.
Have you seen the videos of men screaming like banshees when they're being waxed?
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Nah, experimented with getting waxed. It's no big deal  |
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"Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what? Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby
How much natural pain relief does a woman's body produce in labour? Has this been measured?"
Not enough, pal. Not enough!  |
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"Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what? Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby
How much natural pain relief does a woman's body produce in labour? Has this been measured?
Not enough, pal. Not enough! "
Childbirth I will admit is a whole other level of pain I do not want to experience according to the tales of wife, gf and sisters who left me in no unclear misconceptions. |
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"Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what? Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby
How much natural pain relief does a woman's body produce in labour? Has this been measured?"
You think we get natural pain relief? |
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"Turning pain into a gender competition doesn't seem like the best way to actually address the issue
Unfortunately, it is necessary as many men in the medical profession simply don't believe women when they say they are in pain. Or simply don't take them seriously.
I saw a gynecologist about a lump and he suggested that I was mistaking my clitoris for a lump
He was very lucky that the response was just condescending ... I was too shocked. "
I'm sorry a clitoris? Not sure what that is...
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By *batMan 13 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
" The colour red has a a designated wave length, frequency, RGB, CMYK, HEX and Pantone number etc. This is easy to work out as we are starting from a fixed starting point. Think colour blind testing.
As someone who has a plastic lens (post cataract surgery) in my left eye, UV is more visible in my left eye and the right is like looking through a dirty car winscreen..
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Yeah, but how do you know my brain processes that wavelength data the same as yours? Every time you look at Pantone No. X you see XXX but when I look at it, I see yyy.
Who knows?
Gbat |
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By *orny PTMan 13 weeks ago
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" The colour red has a a designated wave length, frequency, RGB, CMYK, HEX and Pantone number etc. This is easy to work out as we are starting from a fixed starting point. Think colour blind testing.
As someone who has a plastic lens (post cataract surgery) in my left eye, UV is more visible in my left eye and the right is like looking through a dirty car winscreen..
Yeah, but how do you know my brain processes that wavelength data the same as yours? Every time you look at Pantone No. X you see XXX but when I look at it, I see yyy.
Who knows?
Colour blind test science will have some answers for you.
Gbat"
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"Men have a higher pain tolerance. Sorry what? Have you seen a dude squirm and whinge when having his eyebrows plucked or get waxed? Or the way they fold like a pretzel when hooked up to those period cramp simulator machines? Lol.
My ex whinged his hand hurt from me squeezing too much while I was in the middle of pushing out our baby
How much natural pain relief does a woman's body produce in labour? Has this been measured?"
Not sure how something like that could be measured? Women aren't built from the same blueprint so measurements would be different for everyone surely |
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