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My life is soooo much better without news.
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"You could cut through the tension with a knife. The passion simmering. Millions of politically informed and empowered citizens all ready to contribute to the future of the country by expressing their views through the democratic process. I can barely contain my excitement at the prospect of a new leader to guide us into the utopian promised land of almond milk and sugar-free honey." Have I got to get the hamsters and salad cream out again?
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"I look forward to feeling as happy as I did in 97, but given the constraints imposed by the last 14 years, I think change is unlikely. I look forward to JRM, Truss, Claverley and Hint*** having their assessment whipped. " Hunt not Hint, and spelt with a 'C' | |||
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"Apathy. Lethargy. A feeling that not one political party is a better option than the other really, but that they’ll just have to do. It’s pretty miserable. " Pretty much sums it up I think, won’t actually be bothering with it this time. | |||
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"....think the last 5-ish days before the GE will feel like? I don't mean in the obviously political sense (or I'd post this under "Politics"). I mean the vibe, the "geist", the general moods you're picking up on? Tetchy, relaxed, holding breath, celebration, fear, ennui, apathy, lethargy, excitement etc. Have you already noticed any particular vibes? That's all." It’s up to you as an individual. I ignore it and get along with my normal life, so don’t notice any “vibes”, and don’t know what “geist” is. | |||
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"I've not heard much this time round but I miss the silly promises. Last time it was how many trees they'll both plant. What is on trend this election?" The major trends I'm picking up on are "Vote Labour. We're a bit less shit than the Tories", and the far-more interesting short/medium term effects of the Tories potentially imploding beyond repair. That makes space for something further right-wing to emerge, which in turn forces something more left-wing to emerge as well (over a few years). I'm tempted to go all Hegelian on this...but the short version is all this apathy and chaos combined are creating new forms. Ugly, pretty, weird, unusual forms. It's all hyper-stimulating in its consequences, whilst being highly apathetic at the same time. | |||
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"I've not heard much this time round but I miss the silly promises. Last time it was how many trees they'll both plant. What is on trend this election? The major trends I'm picking up on are "Vote Labour. We're a bit less shit than the Tories", and the far-more interesting short/medium term effects of the Tories potentially imploding beyond repair. That makes space for something further right-wing to emerge, which in turn forces something more left-wing to emerge as well (over a few years). I'm tempted to go all Hegelian on this...but the short version is all this apathy and chaos combined are creating new forms. Ugly, pretty, weird, unusual forms. It's all hyper-stimulating in its consequences, whilst being highly apathetic at the same time." Reform party out in force in St Leonards? | |||
"....think the last 5-ish days before the GE will feel like? I don't mean in the obviously political sense (or I'd post this under "Politics"). I mean the vibe, the "geist", the general moods you're picking up on? Tetchy, relaxed, holding breath, celebration, fear, ennui, apathy, lethargy, excitement etc. Have you already noticed any particular vibes? That's all." Of all the elections I've experienced.. This one had nobody I trust with my vote, no policies, not a single policy I trust them to honour or be capable to deliver. It's quite scary. I feel for our younger generation who generally seem disengaged or poorly informed about it's significance and just as likely to vote for love island as a politician. So to answer your post... I'll be anxious, tetchy and concerned that nobody is anything close to earning my vote and yet I must vote. | |||
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"I've seen the Labour promotional vid on YT - more houses, cheaper energy, more police etc. etc. I haven't seen any from the Tories - but I expect it will contain similar lies. Whilst our politicians are mostly career politicians I don't suppose much will change. K. " You see, I'm looking at this through a psychological, behavioural, and historical lens (great upheavals). In essence, I agree that nothing will change much on the surface. A bit better, but only a bit. The bigger problem is that we are in an epoch that is changing (beneath the surface) in a way we haven't really been through for centuries. So the underlying tremors are all about change (nothing but change - enormous change), but our answers are either "not changing" (business as usual with Starmer, but a bit less "mad" than the last 8 years), or the madness we have exhibited in the last decade, which seems like the wrong sort of mad to grapple with the different sort of mad underlying everything. This election is just one event from within a whole series of unfurling chaos. Apathy masks the chaos, but the chaos is the only constant, and won't exhaust itself for many decades before establishing a new equilibrium (which itself always contains seeds of future chaos, but much more beneath the surface after an equilibrium is established). | |||
 well I suppose it could be worse and we could have Trump or Biden to choose from!
no idea - the local reform leader looks like he should be with Worzel Gummage and Aunt Sally! The local Labour candidate, well I havent had much hope in them from when I asked if they could help with the ASB and was told 'it would ruin our electoral profile'
My kid wants to vote blue because the Tory guy's son is pretty hot and she went to school with him! see reasoning there !! 
maybe just go and tick them all | |||
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"Uncomfortable. " Yeah. Covers a lot of ground that word, doesn't it x | |||
"Our local reform candidate is a man I have known for 20 years. Never says anything outright racist, but brings race and nationality into everything, it’s always there, always an undercurrent, and comments about “foreigners”. As a “foreigner” myself he always makes me feel deeply uncomfortable " A BNP canvasser many years ago told my wife we were the "right kind" of immigrant when she pointed out we were foreign immigrants. Reform as just the latest iteration. When they run out pf the "wrong kind" to other, then they'll turn on the "right kind". Anyway, the lack of Tory effort in this format Tory safe seat is staggering. I'll not be sad if the seat goes LD, but I'm still voting Green. | |||
"Uncomfortable. Yeah. Covers a lot of ground that word, doesn't it x" So does acreage.  | |||
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"Uncomfortable. Yeah. Covers a lot of ground that word, doesn't it x So does acreage. "
And manure  . | |||
"Uncomfortable. Yeah. Covers a lot of ground that word, doesn't it x" It most certainly does. | |||
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"I get the distinct impression people just want them to hurry up and finish rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, so everyone can get on with their lives. "  yes, me too. | |||
"I get the distinct impression people just want them to hurry up and finish rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, so everyone can get on with their lives. yes, me too. "Me 3. Even though we're all on the Titanic with them. | |||
"I get the distinct impression people just want them to hurry up and finish rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, so everyone can get on with their lives. yes, me too.
Me 3. Even though we're all on the Titanic with them."I'm running up and down the deck looking for a piece of drift wood to cling to | |||
"I get the distinct impression people just want them to hurry up and finish rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, so everyone can get on with their lives. yes, me too.
Me 3. Even though we're all on the Titanic with them.
I'm running up and down the deck looking for a piece of drift wood to cling to"Big Harold - wood enough for everyone to cling to . | |||
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"Already voted Tv is off Not listening to it on the radio Can't be arsed having conversations about it either or having debates with others. " I thought you LOVED a mass debate Boo . | |||
"Already voted Tv is off Not listening to it on the radio Can't be arsed having conversations about it either or having debates with others. I thought you LOVED a mass debate Boo ."Not on this subject no | |||
"Already voted Tv is off Not listening to it on the radio Can't be arsed having conversations about it either or having debates with others. I thought you LOVED a mass debate Boo .
Not on this subject no "MP Bukkake? 30 of Westminster's "finest" unloading on Boo's tits and torso? No? Why not? xxxx | |||
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"Already voted Tv is off Not listening to it on the radio Can't be arsed having conversations about it either or having debates with others. I thought you LOVED a mass debate Boo .
Not on this subject no
MP Bukkake?
30 of Westminster's "finest" unloading on Boo's tits and torso?
No?
Why not? xxxx"Shouldn't this be in the politics section anyway? And it's a no for the above idea | |||
"Turned very childish now." Well you started it .
And Boo - yeah, maybe.
Although I was after "feelings" about change more than the obviously party political stuff...which I put in the opener.
If it gets moved by the mods, I couldn't be too upset. | |||
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"My neighbour is standing for the green party but stands no chance against the very very safe labour incumbent. He got his bike tyres and car tyres slashed." That's pretty grim. | |||
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"It’ll feel like every other day because most people don’t have the time to care or the will to engage " not sure that's true. I think finally a lot of people care very much about the people who get the privelage to form a government on our behalf | |||
"It’ll feel like every other day because most people don’t have the time to care or the will to engage not sure that's true. I think finally a lot of people care very much about the people who get the privelage to form a government on our behalf " And if people don't care and can't be bothered to take some time and understand, then they really can't complain when they get something they don't like. | |||
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"My neighbour is standing for the green party but stands no chance against the very very safe labour incumbent. He got his bike tyres and car tyres slashed." That's absolutely despicable. | |||
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The 2019 vibe was all "Get Brexit Done" - and led to a Tory landslide.
The 2024 vibe is "We're so fucked off with the Tories", and likely to lead to a Labour landslide.
And that's the vibe - landslides only occur on shaky ground, and these two landslides (one not certain yet) indicate enormous swings, enormously unsettled ground.
I'm not including NI, Scotland, and Wales in this thread, but any of those is capable of breaking the status quo over the coming decade.
And what about that status quo? It's teetering. If Tories get less than 100 seats, and Reform get half a dozen, how stable is the Tory party?
If Corbyn keeps Islington North as an Indy, the Greens get 3 or 4 seats, LibDems are/or close to Official Opposition, does Labour, with an enormous majority (likely) fragment into two parties over the coming years - Starmer's centrist and an eco-left new party, to challenge the Reform/Right Tory fragmentation?
An eco-left Labour party fragmentation has been on the cards for almost a decade. Excessive victory can be the impetus for creating it, rather than solidifying the majority. Some majorities are too big to be sustainable.
A word used above was "uncomfortable" - I've been "uncomfortable" since the financial crash - an entire world turned upside down personally, with my lovely million pound London home and swanky niche BMW Diplomatic career exchanged for being psychic, homeless, and poor.
Because I "see" earthquakes, not just landslides.
So that's my vibe. Whatever we get, nothing is settled. We are in unsettled, uncomfortable times, for a few decades yet.
That doesn't even include global politics (USA/China, Israel, Russia), and climate change.
If you want to read a good book on predicting the seemingly unpredictable, get yourself Tim Palmer's "Geometry of Chaos". He headed up the Met Office prediction systems after the Michael Fish 1987 hurricane fiasco, and using the physics/maths of non-linear systems he, and others, have established systems that not only provide better predictions of outlier events in meteorology, but it's increasingly applied across conflict prediction, disaster relief, economics/behavioural economics, and pandemic modelling.
We'll know the results of the GE this time tomorrow, but not the consequences.
I'm sticking with the crazy psychic stuff (partly because it's horribly consistent with cutting edge physics, but goes a lot further), and I look forward to being wrong about the utterly seismic changes in the 21st Century.
I hope we find a settled nation(s) and settled-enough world over this century.
If I weren't me, I would earnestly hope that that crazy guy Nicky K is wrong about it all.
It won't be much fun if I'm right. Even partially right.
So - that vibe?
What looks like a huge victory for Labour tomorrow is no more real than the huge victory for the Tories in 2019.
The times are bigger than the human's capacity to decipher the information, we're hoping for answers, but we're not asking the right questions. If such a thing even exists.
However, regardless of how "justifiable" the concepts of questions and answers are, we can still find ways to live productively.
I just very much doubt that the modern period, the pre- and post-Enlightenment modes of thinking, are up to the job.
So long, and thanks for all the fish,
Nick xxxxxx
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"Will there be cheap chips? " They'll be a similar price to now. Until climate change affects thr global distribution of foodstocks, at which point they'll become too expensive. After we all run around losing our heads, some smart humans will institute fully automated luxury queer space psychic meditative communism. That will institute vertical farming en masse, increasing spud yields 20 fold, and then your chips become cheap. It's a behavioural process x. | |||
"ooh and free chocolate - our Labour MP doesnt like mowing the grass and was on the parish council and turned everything over to nature - haha this is going to be fun!! " See spuds/chips above x | |||
"ooh and free chocolate - our Labour MP doesnt like mowing the grass and was on the parish council and turned everything over to nature - haha this is going to be fun!! See spuds/chips above x" that was too complicated - yes would have done | |||
"So... The morning after the night before. My only real change of "vibe". The Tory loss was not as seismic as it could have been (if 70 MPs, they were dead as a party. Over 100, they limp on). Which means that we're revisiting the shaky ground more. The ground is shaking, seismic pressure continues building, and we're still not changing at the same rate as the environment around us is changing. Labour only got 2% more of the total votes than 2019 I think? (correct me), but over double the seats. First Past The Post is one of those "shaky anachronisms". So - the vibe. We are still, for a few more decades, on very, very, shaky ground. It will shake us beyond our ability to process...and it's only after the impending decades-long earthquakes have satisfied their need for release that we will finally, long overdue, change everything about ourselves to match that new paradigm. Those who are neurodiverse, neurospicy, genderless or differently gendered - you are in a better place for this new paradigm than those who cling to tradition, because tradition has revealed itself to be no longer fit for purpose, and will do so ever-more frequently this century. The aliens can't wait for Queer Humanity to join their party. It's a good one, and overdue. Because traditional humanity - that will destroy our species before we have a chance to enjoy the stars. We still cling, desperately, to those traditions. They are opposed to reality. Starmer's Labour will feel like some sense of normality, some sense of stability. We need that deep breath, because we are traumatised. But, sadly, it's only an illusion. The pressures, the tremors beneath our feet, are not done with us yet. The chaos has barely even started. Morning bitches ."It's interesting that Labour, with only 1.6% more if the vote, achieved a landslide victory, but corbyn lost heavily with only 1.6% less of the vote... Go figure first past the post | |||
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"Whilst I am happy with the election results, and I won't lie - I am grinning like a Cheshire cat with pure schadenfreude at the demise of the conservative party - I have a sense of disbelief at how many voted Conservative and reform. Reform got 4,000,000 votes acquiring 4 seats! What does this say about our election system? That we should have Proportional Representation? Or are our citizens simply too stupid to be entrusted with the vote? There's a real right wing element in this country isn't there, let's not forget though this is the government that fought to keep first past the post, so it's kind of ironic if they were to bleat about its merits now." Are you equating reform with right wing? And if there is a "right wing element" what does that mean? Isn't representation of all a healthy democracy? I'm not sure left or right has much relevance any longer. It was more a vote of anyone but the tories than an endorsement of Labour, who even with such a bunch of self serving lying fucks in charge only managed to increase their vote by 1.6% over when corbyns party lost heavily. It's concerning when any govt has such a majority they can't possibly be held to account (see the last govt)... But it's a new govt,let's hope they can fix the things that matter most to the most people. They are in theory there to serve us. | |||
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"Whilst I am happy with the election results, and I won't lie - I am grinning like a Cheshire cat with pure schadenfreude at the demise of the conservative party - I have a sense of disbelief at how many voted Conservative and reform. Reform got 4,000,000 votes acquiring 4 seats! What does this say about our election system? That we should have Proportional Representation? Or are our citizens simply too stupid to be entrusted with the vote? There's a real right wing element in this country isn't there, let's not forget though this is the government that fought to keep first past the post, so it's kind of ironic if they were to bleat about its merits now. Are you equating reform with right wing? And if there is a "right wing element" what does that mean? Isn't representation of all a healthy democracy? I'm not sure left or right has much relevance any longer. It was more a vote of anyone but the tories than an endorsement of Labour, who even with such a bunch of self serving lying fucks in charge only managed to increase their vote by 1.6% over when corbyns party lost heavily. It's concerning when any govt has such a majority they can't possibly be held to account (see the last govt)... But it's a new govt,let's hope they can fix the things that matter most to the most people. They are in theory there to serve us. " Nicky has pretty much answered the question about reform and the right wing, I would agree with that, there's little for me to add. To answer your other point about all views being represented in a democracy. I would agree so your point feels a bit like a potential straw man. For clarity I am a firm supporter of proportional representation, and not just when it suits. My point is that it's a bit rich now it no longer suits the conservative agenda to become pro PR, after they fought to keep first past the post over a decade ago. I would go further than accountability of the incumbent government and increase direct democracy by involving the citizenship more in decision making, on the issue by issue basis that and suggest that this would be the pathway away from simplistic left - right polarised debate. I don't think the purpose of government is to simply fix the things most care about. It is also to protect the rights of the minority. I appreciate your sentiment though and I agree they are there as elected representatives and any power they hold over us is only granted by our consent. | |||
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"It’ll feel like every other day because most people don’t have the time to care or the will to engage not sure that's true. I think finally a lot of people care very much about the people who get the privelage to form a government on our behalf " Just seen this and the turnout shows sadly I’m right | |||
"It’ll feel like every other day because most people don’t have the time to care or the will to engage not sure that's true. I think finally a lot of people care very much about the people who get the privelage to form a government on our behalf Just seen this and the turnout shows sadly I’m right " 60% turnout... Which shows most people did engage and choose to vote. | |||
"Our local reform candidate is a man I have known for 20 years. Never says anything outright racist, but brings race and nationality into everything, it’s always there, always an undercurrent, and comments about “foreigners”. As a “foreigner” myself he always makes me feel deeply uncomfortable A BNP canvasser many years ago told my wife we were the "right kind" of immigrant when she pointed out we were foreign immigrants. Reform as just the latest iteration. When they run out pf the "wrong kind" to other, then they'll turn on the "right kind". Anyway, the lack of Tory effort in this format Tory safe seat is staggering. I'll not be sad if the seat goes LD, but I'm still voting Green. "Exact same experience here, with ukip and reform candidates telling me that my “kind” aren’t the problem, and that we would probably be allowed to stay. | |||
