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A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
Quite possibly |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
Dunno.
Thinks that’s really the only answer there is Todge. |
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By *igR93Man 21 weeks ago
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
I’m definetly agnostic
I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know |
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By *unchalMan 21 weeks ago
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
No god. |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
Dunno.
Thinks that’s really the only answer there is Todge. "
I was more hoping for dunno Todge but i sent pics of my tits to your inbox - to stop you worrying!!   |
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By (user no longer on site) 21 weeks ago
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Yay for me 
My religion has brought me a lot of comfort over the past few months and I feel lucky for that. I haven’t had an easy 8 years or so; and while I’m not contributing my new found recovery to religion, because it was all the hard work of me and only me, I do feel a lot more peaceful with God in my life, especially my Bible. |
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"It definitely all came from a big bang."
im more in this camp but what caused it… does something just spontaneously explode? Where did the matter that exploded come from … originally? Is Brian Cox on here?? |
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"If God is real then he's got some explaining to do...
We did he feel the need to bump me down to from a D to a B-cup after having children I miss my boobies "
So it's you I need to thank, I must have yours cos mine went the other way and a bit more after having mine.
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
Dunno.
Thinks that’s really the only answer there is Todge.
I was more hoping for dunno Todge but i sent pics of my tits to your inbox - to stop you worrying!! "
Oh I have some England tits! I shall send those  |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
I’m definetly agnostic
I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know "
Look up Tom Campbell the nasa physicist
It’s been my area of intense interest  |
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"It definitely all came from a big bang. im more in this camp but what caused it… does something just spontaneously explode? Where did the matter that exploded come from … originally? Is Brian Cox on here?? "
Expanding and Contracting theory???
Mrs x |
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By (user no longer on site) 21 weeks ago
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The answer is LUCA, and cellular evolution.
I question how a God would have walked on Earth if they/he/she wasn’t created somehow, and then who created them?
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"If God is real then he's got some explaining to do...
We did he feel the need to bump me down to from a D to a B-cup after having children I miss my boobies So it's you I need to thank, I must have yours cos mine went the other way and a bit more after having mine.
Mrs x"
can you give them back please I've still kept some of my old nice bras living in hope that one day they will return |
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"It definitely all came from a big bang.
But what created the Big Bang?
They say big bang .... but it's really more of a big bounce.
The cause 'meh?' too much stuff in too small a space ..... "
And my question is where did that ‘stuff’ come from ? The big bang isn’t ground zero in this case - it is a start point we can track but where did that matter that compressed come from. If we concede that it was just always there… the argument that God - has always been there - can’t be challenged - can it? |
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know "
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists |
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"It definitely all came from a big bang. im more in this camp but what caused it… does something just spontaneously explode? Where did the matter that exploded come from … originally? Is Brian Cox on here?? Expanding and Contracting theory???
Mrs x"
Filth!! You’re very very naughty now go to my room young lady!! |
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists "
That, Mrs x |
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists "
Im genuinely fascinated by this stuff - even though at some point my brain goes - never mind that - where’s the waffles? Im going to be doing some research later - see what some of the porn sites have to offer for a search term of ‘big bang!’ |
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I don't believe that any religion I've ever heard of can justify the claims it makes about the world without exempting itself from the rules of evidence we use for everything else. On that basis I have to say no.
I do draw inspiration from various religions (and elsewhere) for my own moral code.
To each their own, but that's just where I stand. |
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Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Taoism and aspects of Hinduism have been quite influential to my beliefs and values alongside Christianity.
I am not religious as such, I don't think you need to be in order to read the conclusions of 1000s of years of Philosophical thought and gain something from it. |
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists "
In January 2022, researchers at the National Graphene Institute led by Andre Geim and a number of other collaborators reported the observation of an analog process between electrons and holes at the Dirac point of a superlattice of graphene on hexagonal boron nitride (G/hBN) and another one of twisted bilayer graphene ...
Yeah It all makes sense now
They should rename at the Big Bang Law surely if it’s been proven ?
You either put your faith in science , not real science, Dawkins and the new atheists , or you put it in something else that you are have observed and experienced |
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"It definitely all came from a big bang. im more in this camp but what caused it… does something just spontaneously explode? Where did the matter that exploded come from … originally? Is Brian Cox on here?? "
Don’t know , but am sure there’s a Brian that loves cox on here |
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists
In January 2022, researchers at the National Graphene Institute led by Andre Geim and a number of other collaborators reported the observation of an analog process between electrons and holes at the Dirac point of a superlattice of graphene on hexagonal boron nitride (G/hBN) and another one of twisted bilayer graphene ...
Yeah It all makes sense now
They should rename at the Big Bang Law surely if it’s been proven ?
You either put your faith in science , not real science, Dawkins and the new atheists , or you put it in something else that you are have observed and experienced"
With those instructions i don’t fancy building that wardrobe!!! |
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"There are a number of high level scientist types who have been led to faith by the evidence of their science. "
Yes Funch. that is true... but they were not led to have faith in a beardy bloke with a bad attitude |
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"There are a number of high level scientist types who have been led to faith by the evidence of their science.
Yes Funch. that is true... but they were not led to have faith in a beardy bloke with a bad attitude"
Ive shaved that off… |
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By (user no longer on site) 21 weeks ago
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A couple of questions.
Is your god a man or a woman?
Was the earth created in 7 days
Where does god reside
Why does god allow disease illness and disaster?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
I think Mr Fry has a point
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God knows!  My grandfather was a C of E Curate, so I had it rammed down my throat until I was 18, then I abandoned it all.
But, having been through two bereavements in the last 3 months - one of them a suicide - I'd like to think that there is some kind of afterlife, a place they've gone to, where they can literally rest in peace  |
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Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God. |
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"Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God. "
We are one. |
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"God knows! My grandfather was a C of E Curate, so I had it rammed down my throat until I was 18, then I abandoned it all.
But, having been through two bereavements in the last 3 months - one of them a suicide - I'd like to think that there is some kind of afterlife, a place they've gone to, where they can literally rest in peace "
I think it's very common to desire an overarching structure, protection, and something to bring back what we've lost.
I hope you find what it is you need, and I wish you peace. |
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"Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God.
We are one. "
Exactly. |
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"You got to believe in something.
At a time of pain, suffering and war even those who do not believe will pray for help in their darkest hour "
When people pray in their darkest hour they are simply repeating phrases they have heard before..... they are hoping... hope is all they have
I'm a staunch atheist but when I stump my toe I say God!
It's just common terminology |
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"You got to believe in something.
At a time of pain, suffering and war even those who do not believe will pray for help in their darkest hour
When people pray in their darkest hour they are simply repeating phrases they have heard before..... they are hoping... hope is all they have
I'm a staunch atheist but when I stump my toe I say God!
It's just common terminology"
In exactly the same way that so many people call out 'Oh God' when they're about to orgasm! |
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"Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God.
We are one.
Exactly. "
Advaita vedanta is consistent with that view. And one I share too.
But can our entire essence, our consciousness be reduced to what is material? Or is it a limitation of the human capacity to effectively observe and measure the universe? Is it even within the realms of the human mind to know? |
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By (user no longer on site) 21 weeks ago
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I love religion. Gives me something to laugh at.
*it’s a joke.
I actually respect people that have a faith. I just don’t respect the preaching that comes along with it.
There’s lots of fundamental goodness with a lot of religions, there is a bit in a lot of them which forbid you to do certain things. Now that sounds a bit bossy for me. |
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"Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God.
We are one.
Exactly.
Advaita vedanta is consistent with that view. And one I share too.
But can our entire essence, our consciousness be reduced to what is material? Or is it a limitation of the human capacity to effectively observe and measure the universe? Is it even within the realms of the human mind to know?"
Do we have to assume divinity is panoptic? That consciousness extrapolates? Or can it be one room with many visitors, seen from a single fixed lens? |
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"God knows! My grandfather was a C of E Curate, so I had it rammed down my throat until I was 18, then I abandoned it all.
But, having been through two bereavements in the last 3 months - one of them a suicide - I'd like to think that there is some kind of afterlife, a place they've gone to, where they can literally rest in peace
I think it's very common to desire an overarching structure, protection, and something to bring back what we've lost.
I hope you find what it is you need, and I wish you peace."
I appreciate your words, thank you. But I'm not looking for anything. I already have what I need, and I am very much at peace |
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Religion is for the intelligent.
Once you start looking into science you understand that it runs out of answers quite quickly.
Philosophy, again all roots back to an understanding of theology. And without it sounding to arbitrary statements on how we use to view the world and our own presence and validation within these confines we all have to remember that this is indeed a sex site and not one for discussing implied rules of arbitration to a life less lived within constraints.
Right, I'm off to the gym.
The body trains the mind.
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"Everything in the universe is of the universe. There is no more or less matter than the start of existence to now. Each on of us is actually billions of years old, made of the matter which formed the universe.
We are, in fact, God.
We are one.
Exactly.
Advaita vedanta is consistent with that view. And one I share too.
But can our entire essence, our consciousness be reduced to what is material? Or is it a limitation of the human capacity to effectively observe and measure the universe? Is it even within the realms of the human mind to know?
Do we have to assume divinity is panoptic? That consciousness extrapolates? Or can it be one room with many visitors, seen from a single fixed lens? "
No I don't think we do (I appreciate the irony in the last statement). What you have presented is a good summary of what science has revealed to us about the material universe. Through the lens of human perception. But as Karl Popper put it science is only concerned with questions that are falsifiable and there are questions that are not. That's not to say those questions are not pertinent ones, they simply cannot, at least at this time be demonstrated to be false.
I can't falsify your particular flavour and I have no desire or need to. It can co-exist with my own, perhaps even influence it, if I try to understand why it resonates for you. Or I can take the Camusian view that to believe anything, even to choose not to believe, is still a leap of faith. Remain open to learning instead of believing I have the answer, accept the aporia of standing on the cusp of the abyss.
I used to say I'll find out when I die, now I can do without that reassurance too. I can say I will be very surprised if I meet a beardy man in the clouds, though. |
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"Religion is for the intelligent.
Once you start looking into science you understand that it runs out of answers quite quickly.
Philosophy, again all roots back to an understanding of theology. And without it sounding to arbitrary statements on how we use to view the world and our own presence and validation within these confines we all have to remember that this is indeed a sex site and not one for discussing implied rules of arbitration to a life less lived within constraints.
Right, I'm off to the gym.
The body trains the mind.
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That was just word salad, but the point on science is a category error. It shows a misunderstanding of the fundamental basis of knowledge by the scientific method.
No gods, no masters in as succinct as I can be with my view of religion. |
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Religion is the route to evil. It hurt and killed so many over the years not to mention other cover ups inculding the Church of England who have only just paid off the dept owed. As you can guess I don’t follow any region just my own veiws on what’s right and wrong. |
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"...They should rename at the Big Bang Law surely if it’s been proven ?
...or you put it in something else that you are have observed and experienced"
Not really, a law and a theory are different things. A theory explains how something happens, a law really just states a pattern, usually in the form of an equation. Of course, both can actually turn out to be wrong. E.g. Newton described gravity as a law, objects of mass attract each other), it's pretty close, but not exactly correct, something that Newton actually knew as he couldn't explain the phases of Mercury. In the end his only explanation was 'that's the way God wanted it'. Then Einstein came along with not a law, but a theory to explain gravity. A lot of people didn't like it, but nobody could deny that it fixed a lot of observed problems with Newton's law. We are even more sure of it now, as no doubt all of you use GPS, e.g. Google maps. Those calculations use Einstein's equations to correctly calculate your position. You'd be out by quite a margin if they used Newton's maths. And the best bit, Einstein was wrong too, but that's another issue, there is a Nobel prize awaiting anyone who can describe quantum gravity.
Your own observations and experiences are generally one of the worst ways of discovering the truth to be honest. In the best of cases people often see things that aren't there. Even in a court of law, witness observations are always regarded with a high degree of scepticism. |
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If people want to believe that's fine if make's them happy that's fine... what isn't fine is when they start trying to inflict it on other people...that ain't interested..it's like I'm a great fan of motorhead but I don't go round knocking on people's doors trying to convert them to liking motorhead..  |
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If people want to believe in their own imaginary friend that's fine... But it's when they want everyone else to believe and live by those rules where I have my problem.
To paraphrase the late great Christopher Hitchens, "You can play with your toys and share them with others who want to play with the toys. You are not going to make me play with the toys" |
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By *ascaIMan 21 weeks ago
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The thought of there being something else after death is comforting. Even if it’s hell I’m sure there’d be a decent bunch down there. But I’m not much of a believer.
I’d prefer reincarnation. Coming back as a Shitzu would do me. |
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"You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
Who said they fell out of a tree?"
lol it’s just a quote I really like and I had it right on the tip of my tongue as I was reading this thread-it’s just the way to quote goes  |
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"You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
Who said they fell out of a tree?
lol it’s just a quote I really like and I had it right on the tip of my tongue as I was reading this thread-it’s just the way to quote goes "
I'm not sure it's a fair characterisation of what anyone believes. |
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"You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
Who said they fell out of a tree?
lol it’s just a quote I really like and I had it right on the tip of my tongue as I was reading this thread-it’s just the way to quote goes
I'm not sure it's a fair characterisation of what anyone believes. "
I’m not following, sorry  |
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"You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
Who said they fell out of a tree?
lol it’s just a quote I really like and I had it right on the tip of my tongue as I was reading this thread-it’s just the way to quote goes
I'm not sure it's a fair characterisation of what anyone believes.
I’m not following, sorry "
Perhaps I'm not following either, although it might have helped if you had indicated that you were quoting someone.
I don't believe anyone - religious or otherwise - believes they "just fell out of a tree". I'm not sure of the utility of the quote if no one actually believes it. |
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I don't believe in a personal God that many religions propose. But I do enjoy reading the metaphysical theories of religions. Haven't been following any particular religion as such. So I guess I am an agnostic.
As for others, I respect people who follow a religion for their own spiritual fulfilment. But anyone who uses religion to take away my personal rights is going to get a rough treatment from me. |
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"You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
Who said they fell out of a tree?
lol it’s just a quote I really like and I had it right on the tip of my tongue as I was reading this thread-it’s just the way to quote goes
I'm not sure it's a fair characterisation of what anyone believes.
I’m not following, sorry
Perhaps I'm not following either, although it might have helped if you had indicated that you were quoting someone.
I don't believe anyone - religious or otherwise - believes they "just fell out of a tree". I'm not sure of the utility of the quote if no one actually believes it."
It’s just a quote- in the original quote Harris was speaking to a crowd. There’s a whole paragraph before it. I was just quoting the part I really like. |
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"...They should rename at the Big Bang Law surely if it’s been proven ?
...or you put it in something else that you are have observed and experienced
Not really, a law and a theory are different things. A theory explains how something happens, a law really just states a pattern, usually in the form of an equation. Of course, both can actually turn out to be wrong. E.g. Newton described gravity as a law, objects of mass attract each other), it's pretty close, but not exactly correct, something that Newton actually knew as he couldn't explain the phases of Mercury. In the end his only explanation was 'that's the way God wanted it'. Then Einstein came along with not a law, but a theory to explain gravity. A lot of people didn't like it, but nobody could deny that it fixed a lot of observed problems with Newton's law. We are even more sure of it now, as no doubt all of you use GPS, e.g. Google maps. Those calculations use Einstein's equations to correctly calculate your position. You'd be out by quite a margin if they used Newton's maths. And the best bit, Einstein was wrong too, but that's another issue, there is a Nobel prize awaiting anyone who can describe quantum gravity.
Your own observations and experiences are generally one of the worst ways of discovering the truth to be honest. In the best of cases people often see things that aren't there. Even in a court of law, witness observations are always regarded with a high degree of scepticism."
Scientific theories are empirical. No empirical theory can ever be proven to be 100% right. We follow science because it's a great approximation of the world we observe. But it can never ever explain the nature completely. |
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"Yay for me
My religion has brought me a lot of comfort over the past few months and I feel lucky for that. I haven’t had an easy 8 years or so; and while I’m not contributing my new found recovery to religion, because it was all the hard work of me and only me, I do feel a lot more peaceful with God in my life, especially my Bible. "
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By *unchalMan 21 weeks ago
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"There are a number of high level scientist types who have been led to faith by the evidence of their science.
Yes Funch. that is true... but they were not led to have faith in a beardy bloke with a bad attitude"
Why? This is definitely becoming bullying. Leave me alone. |
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By *unchalMan 21 weeks ago
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"To control people in my opinion, probably thousands of years ago they put the fear of God into people and they didn’t have TV and radio that time, but it’s still carried on throughout centuries"
Karl Marx said it best. Religion is the Opium of the masses. |
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If God made the earth then man, where were we when the dinosaurs roamed the earth? And if it was a meteor that killed them, how come we survived? I'm no a believer, I think religion is no more than old fashioned laws. The deadly sins? Just a way to make you behave yourself years ago. |
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By *ty31Man 21 weeks ago
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"To control people in my opinion, probably thousands of years ago they put the fear of God into people and they didn’t have TV and radio that time, but it’s still carried on throughout centuries
Karl Marx said it best. Social Media is the Opium of the masses. "
Updated for 21st Century |
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As a Christian, I'm thankful to my faith for giving me perspective and guidance in my life.
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By *unchalMan 21 weeks ago
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"To control people in my opinion, probably thousands of years ago they put the fear of God into people and they didn’t have TV and radio that time, but it’s still carried on throughout centuries
Karl Marx said it best. Social Media is the Opium of the masses.
Updated for 21st Century "
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As a Christian, I'm thankful to my faith for giving me perspective and guidance in my life.
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I take it being a Christian you won’t be coveting your neighbours wife? |
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As a Christian, I'm thankful to my faith for giving me perspective and guidance in my life.
I take it being a Christian you won’t be coveting your neighbours wife?"
Yes. I don't yearn to possess my neighbours wife.
I do accept that promiscuous behaviour and Christianity can be seen as being a contradiction to some. |
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I find the mystical traditions that underlie religious orders very interesting.
Most seem to have the same goal; Raising human consciousness to godhead.
Gnosticism, Yoga, Kabbalah, Sufism and the rest all have the same goal.
What's really interesting is that these 'inner orders' often have goals that appears to be at odds with the 'outer' order.
Obey God or realise All is God.
Britain was an absolute hotbed of secret mystical orders in the 1900's and much what the western world knows about eastern mystical practices came through people like Madame Blavatsky, Dion Fortune, Alistair Crowley and WB Yeats. |
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As a Christian, I'm thankful to my faith for giving me perspective and guidance in my life.
I take it being a Christian you won’t be coveting your neighbours wife?
Yes. I don't yearn to possess my neighbours wife.
I do accept that promiscuous behaviour and Christianity can be seen as being a contradiction to some."
Covet is not possession.
Christianity and contradiction..........surely not? |
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"I find the mystical traditions that underlie religious orders very interesting.
Most seem to have the same goal; Raising human consciousness to godhead.
Gnosticism, Yoga, Kabbalah, Sufism and the rest all have the same goal.
What's really interesting is that these 'inner orders' often have goals that appears to be at odds with the 'outer' order.
Obey God or realise All is God.
Britain was an absolute hotbed of secret mystical orders in the 1900's and much what the western world knows about eastern mystical practices came through people like Madame Blavatsky, Dion Fortune, Alistair Crowley and WB Yeats."
I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger. |
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger."
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio. |
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"Each to their own - it brings a lot of comfort to some... anxiety, misery, persecution and death to others "
What midnight says.
That said the god squad were out in force in Manchester today preaching an impending end to the world. I am watching the betting patterns very carefully! |
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I’m a Christian. Yes I believe in a god. I don’t think they’re a bearded man on a cloud but something beyond my understanding at this point.
I’ve thought long and hard about my religion and it’s right for me. |
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger.
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio."
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio."
Good Heavens my current go to literature is
Razzle May 2024 edition with readers wives from Wales
Viz
And back editions of the Beezer |
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio.
Good Heavens my current go to literature is
Razzle May 2024 edition with readers wives from Wales
Viz
And back editions of the Beezer "
Many many people have had religious experiences with these publications of which you speak. |
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio.
Good Heavens my current go to literature is
Razzle May 2024 edition with readers wives from Wales
Viz
And back editions of the Beezer
Many many people have had religious experiences with these publications of which you speak. "
I do especially viewing Mrs May from the Rhonda |
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I think it was created as a way to create law and order among certain societies to keep them in line and a result, created a set of beliefs for people to follow. As societies and science evolved, as did the laws with less reliance on religion.
I think it can still provide relief for those who feel they need that structure in their lives and will always respect their beliefs even if they don't correlate with my own |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God??? |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God??? "
God's God. It's an infinite chain |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God???
God's God. It's an infinite chain "
Like GranomnipresentbeingGod? |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God???
God's God. It's an infinite chain
Like GranomnipresentbeingGod?"
Ok that went right over my head |
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I believe in Science and Math's so religion is not my thing at all.
But saying that, there have been some strange things happen when I was a lot younger lol. Playing the Ouija board game. So I think something is out there but not god of any kind.
Physics explains a lot of how the Universe began albeit still many theories and even what we know is still to be worked out. All of science proves pretty much everything in the bible to be false, please don't ask me to reference it lol I had to sit through Sunday Schools and bible studies all the way through school and my opinion is it's all false.
So yes more and more questions regarding it all but I'm all on the No God No Religion side. |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God???
God's God. It's an infinite chain
Like GranomnipresentbeingGod?
Ok that went right over my head "
Gods Granpa or GranGod |
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"Religion is for the intelligent.
Once you start looking into science you understand that it runs out of answers quite quickly.
Philosophy, again all roots back to an understanding of theology. And without it sounding to arbitrary statements on how we use to view the world and our own presence and validation within these confines we all have to remember that this is indeed a sex site and not one for discussing implied rules of arbitration to a life less lived within constraints.
Right, I'm off to the gym.
The body trains the mind.
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger.
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio."
I have very mixed feelings about Alan Watts...... The Taboo against Knowing who You Are is a great read tho ........ |
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By *mma29Couple 21 weeks ago
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So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven? "
Do I believe in God and religion? Heavens no.
If I had to pick something I'd guess we are a simulation because it just makes sense to me. A very advanced simulation of course.
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Yes Funch. that is true... but they were not led to have faith in a beardy bloke with a bad attitude
Why? This is definitely becoming bullying. Leave me alone. "
No you. GOD...... Jesus talk about an ego |
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By (user no longer on site) 21 weeks ago
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"...I absolutely refuse to believe something came from absolutely nothing
There had to be something before but it’s an answer we will never know
The Schwinger effect was proven in 2022, I.e. on a quantum level, something was created from nothing
There's also a problem with the word 'before'. The human brain can't really process it, but once you go back to a singularity, time has no real meaning.
According to the theory devised by Hawking and Hartle, time, as it is currently observed, diverged from a three-state dimension after the universe was in the age of the Planck time. We may never know the full truth, but we do already have several working theories to a lot of it.
Part of the problem is the general misunderstanding of the 'big bang', which was originally a derogatory term (by the British astronomer Hoyle) for the theory devised by Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk. Of course the amusing thing now is that the world has flipped. No longer do the scientists scoff at a strange theory devised by a Christian, but the Christians now scoff at a thory now accepted by most scientists
Im genuinely fascinated by this stuff - even though at some point my brain goes - never mind that - where’s the waffles? Im going to be doing some research later - see what some of the porn sites have to offer for a search term of ‘big bang!’ "
Why is it always waffles?
Does no-one believe in crumpet anymore? ?? |
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As a Christian, I'm thankful to my faith for giving me perspective and guidance in my life.
Me too I only recently became religious but I feel more peaceful now "
Have you been dunked ?
I was 33, But can still remember that feeling and all those Jesus Culture , Vineyard & Hillsong gigs! |
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By *ndycoinsMan 21 weeks ago
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"I believe in Science and Math's so religion is not my thing at all.
But saying that, there have been some strange things happen when I was a lot younger lol. Playing the Ouija board game. So I think something is out there but not god of any kind.
Physics explains a lot of how the Universe began albeit still many theories and even what we know is still to be worked out. All of science proves pretty much everything in the bible to be false, please don't ask me to reference it lol I had to sit through Sunday Schools and bible studies all the way through school and my opinion is it's all false.
So yes more and more questions regarding it all but I'm all on the No God No Religion side."
Ouija Board = Ideo Motor reflex. |
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I recommend you a book - "What's life?" By Erwin Schrödinger. The second part of the book is called "On Mind and Matter". He actually believes in some mystical and Vedic schools of thought of oneness of all our Minds and makes a strong argument for it. It's interesting to read such opinions from a physicist as accomplished as Schrödinger.
Thanks. My current go too's are Alan Watts and Ram Dass on audio.
I have very mixed feelings about Alan Watts...... The Taboo against Knowing who You Are is a great read tho ........"
Watts is new on my list and I usually fall asleep within minutes of turning him on! First impression is that he's a little bland and a little arrogant. He does seem have an encyclopaedic knowledge of Taoist and Buddhist texts though and paraphrases them in a way I can digest so it's a decent listen for me to cherry pick those bits that spark that aha moment.
Thanks for the book recommendation. I'll check it out. |
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"A safe place to examine serious theological concerns and fundamental questions about belief. Posting of tits and snarky comments also welcome.
So… did God create everything or… did something explode and do both have questions to answer that can’t be proven?
If there is a God and he created all the funky stuff, who created God???
God's God. It's an infinite chain
Like GranomnipresentbeingGod?
Ok that went right over my head
Gods Granpa or GranGod "
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There is no god.
It's about as likely as the colour 9 creating it all.
Or toe fungus.
Or carpet.
Or that one neutrino right now out by Betelgeuse.
That one - damn - it's disappeared again.
But there is an awful lot of uncertainty about everything, which means creating gods is a fairly understandable position to take historically. It seemed like some form of answer, it provided comfort, it coalesced disparate tribes into cohesive political units, it created economic stability, and terrifying bloodshed and instability.
That's the last 50,000 or so years of human historical development.
Now, we have to get beyond our god phase of galactic evolution - it's part of the globally destructive cycle now rather than a unification concept - and grapple with the ethics and ontology of uncertainty in different ways.
Religion is the lesser ally.
Science is a better ally.
Some form of paradoxical poetic science, beyond the limits of current science, and way, way, way beyond religion, is knocking on the doors of physics and philosophy, and that can be better still.
Definitely not the final word on reality though - that may be impossible to understand, because an "understanding" is a mental action, and the deeper levels of reality may exist beyond action and thought (in which case, our sensory equipment can't "touch" them. Even psychic people, like me, are only one stage further on, when there may be innumerable further stages of witnessing reality).
I'm certainly uncertain of this  .
But god can go fuck herself. |
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