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I think justice wasn't really served on their behalf with manslaughter, however, it is at least something | |||
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"I know this is wrong of me, but I can't help hoping that something bad happens to them in prison." You and me both  | |||
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"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime. "Do you and I know the same man? Are you sure you meant to put in the word 'not'? | |||
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"Rest In Peace to the 6 children
I think justice wasn't really served on their behalf with manslaughter, however, it is at least something "
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"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
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"he actually set out to kill his children?? i thought it was an insurance job that went wrong " Not insurance - he wanted to be re-housed. | |||
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"he actually set out to kill his children?? i thought it was an insurance job that went wrong Not insurance - he wanted to be re-housed." I thought he wanted to blame the mother of his other children so she'd go to jail and he'd get custody ..... and the cash benefits which come with the children. | |||
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"he actually set out to kill his children?? i thought it was an insurance job that went wrong Not insurance - he wanted to be re-housed. I thought he wanted to blame the mother of his other children so she'd go to jail and he'd get custody ..... and the cash benefits which come with the children." That too. I am sure I read early on in this case that he wanted a larger property to go with the custody and benefits. A father of 17 children thinking of any plan that puts any of them even in the smallest amount of danger is just too horrible. | |||
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"all the best to the remaining children, may they have a good life. and rest in peace the lost ones. no words for the parents." Didn't think any survived ? | |||
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" Not when I met him, prejudjement is a wonderful thing "How does one prejudge when the person is known to another person and has been known for 18+ years?? | |||
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"all the best to the remaining children, may they have a good life. and rest in peace the lost ones. no words for the parents. Didn't think any survived ? " did he not father loads, they need to live with the impact | |||
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" Didn't think any survived ? " I believe Mr had 17 children. | |||
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" Didn't think any survived ? I believe Mr had 17 children." 17 with 5 mothers | |||
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"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
Do you and I know the same man? Are you sure you meant to put in the word 'not'?
Not when I met him, prejudjement is a wonderful thing "When you met him, was that before or after he went to jail for repeatedly stabbing a former girlfriend and her mother? | |||
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"all the best to the remaining children, may they have a good life. and rest in peace the lost ones. no words for the parents. Didn't think any survived ? did he not father loads, they need to live with the impact " Ahhh sorry I did not read that bit only about the ones who died , sorry. | |||
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"What breed of human beings are they?? ....." Swingers apparently. | |||
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"all the best to the remaining children, may they have a good life. and rest in peace the lost ones. no words for the parents. Didn't think any survived ? did he not father loads, they need to live with the impact Ahhh sorry I did not read that bit only about the ones who died , sorry. " | |||
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"Mick Philpott is not the type of guy you would have thought to have committed such a heinous crime.
Do you and I know the same man? Are you sure you meant to put in the word 'not'?
Not when I met him, prejudjement is a wonderful thing
When you met him, was that before or after he went to jail for repeatedly stabbing a former girlfriend and her mother?"Before and I knew little of his previous life, other than he had a few kids and liked a pint. I have not seen him for about 15 yrs so cannot comment about anything recent, even though I live about 10 mins walk away from where the tragedy happened  | |||
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"Keep the scum alive as long as possible so they can feel the pain of what they've done to there own flesh and blood every day of there pathetic lives " | |||
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"Keep the scum alive as long as possible so they can feel the pain of what they've done to there own flesh and blood every day of there pathetic lives " But thats it, he doesnt feel pain or remorse, ive just watched the documentary. They went to have sex after their babies had died. They went round friends joking, they where going to renew their wedding vows. How is any of that showing remorse. I feel sorry for anyone that is associated with them in anyway, imagine having to live with that person having the same blood as you | |||
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"Keep the scum alive as long as possible so they can feel the pain of what they've done to there own flesh and blood every day of there pathetic lives " sadly i dont think they probably gave a fuck about their kids.. they most likely had them for the benefits and then to use them in such a manner for other gain, notoriety or any reason.. tells me they are selfish and disgusting individuals.. no matter what happens to them inside and it will, it can never compensate for what they did to the children.. | |||
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"The only blessing in it all is that 5 of the children died through smoke inalation whilst still asleep so didnt know what was happening" not sure that they all would have done tbh.. | |||
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It's all over the local and national news. I avoid driving past that place
Sentencing shouldn't be too much longer now, I hope all 3 rot in jail (even at our expense) | |||
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"The truth is that the Philpotts say nothing about anyone, except for themselves, just as the serial murderer GP Harold Shipman said nothing about middle-class professionals. There are, and have always been, a small minority of individuals capable of breathtaking cruelty. The Philpott case relates in no way to people on benefits in this country. Of 1.35 million families with children in which at least one adult claims out-of-work benefit, there are 190 with more than 10 children; and, of course, those large families are not headed by killers. Most people on benefits have recently been in work: indeed, one in six of the workforce has claimed Jobseekers' Allowance at some point in the past two years." Owen Jones. | |||
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"I must admit one thing did make me almost laugh.... the bit where he stated he hadn't washed for 12 weeks as part of his defence." Probably haddent looking at hin  | |||
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"I know this is wrong of me, but I can't help hoping that something bad happens to them in prison." Not a bad thought at all! Monsters they are.. proud mum to my 6 ..  | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then?" it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding. | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding." It wasn't the Welfare State who made him do it though. He would have ended up doing something nasty at some point. | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding." I recall suggesting on here a while back that Child Benefit should be limited to the first x kids. It was not a popular suggestion. | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding." It isn't to blame at all. The Daily Mail are accusing The Welfare State of being an accomplice. That's like accusing concrete companies being responsible for Fred West. Its an absurd comparison because it's an absurd belief | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding." The welfare system does have to take some of the blame. With 6 kids at £50 per week in benefits plus other top ups means he was onto a "nice little earner", would he have wanted custody if the state was giving him nothing? As a parent I could not see my kids as a cash cow, the benefits helped in the lean times, but that was not the reason for having them. I think benefits should be paid for the first 2 kids and any more that come along should be funded from their own pocket. The religions who have rejected contraception would soon find their followers rejecting their teachings if the children borne to them faced poverty and hardship due to the state refusing to fund their extended families. | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding. The welfare system does have to take some of the blame. With 6 kids at £50 per week in benefits plus other top ups means he was onto a "nice little earner", would he have wanted custody if the state was giving him nothing? As a parent I could not see my kids as a cash cow, the benefits helped in the lean times, but that was not the reason for having them. I think benefits should be paid for the first 2 kids and any more that come along should be funded from their own pocket. The religions who have rejected contraception would soon find their followers rejecting their teachings if the children borne to them faced poverty and hardship due to the state refusing to fund their extended families."  | |||
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"using the same absurd idea that the welfare state is in any way shape or form patially culpable in this vile act is a cop out and an insult to the memory of those poor innocent children.. using the same theory then all cars should be limited to 20mph, all sharp instruments shortened to a none lethal length.. ludicrous and just indicative of a narrow minded outlook.. just my opinion.. " And you are entilted to have your say, the problem with people is that they have free will, the unique ability to think and act as they wish disregarding every bit of common sense and reason they should listen to. My neighbour works within the paediatrics dept of one of manchesters larger hospitals, she often stops for a chat and I do odd jobs for her when its something she cannot do herself. A few months back she was chatting about a new case she was working on, its a man who has a genetic flaw which is passed on to his children, it only effects the male line so the hospital is obliged to check out each and every one of them for this defect, all 9 of them, his 5 daughters will be free of the defect but may pass it on if they have male children. He (Dad) is now unemployed and therefore everything his kids need will be provided gratis by the state, the benefits he claims amount to approx £60K per year, he will not seek work because as a gas service engineer he cannot earn this amount by being in employment. Benefits is not a trap to this guy or a safety net, it is a way of life. If he was only able to get benefits for 2 kids I dont believe he would have had more kids, so now he would be back in employment instead of sponging off the state. | |||
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rip 2 the children ,,, | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding. The welfare system does have to take some of the blame. With 6 kids at £50 per week in benefits plus other top ups means he was onto a "nice little earner", would he have wanted custody if the state was giving him nothing? As a parent I could not see my kids as a cash cow, the benefits helped in the lean times, but that was not the reason for having them. I think benefits should be paid for the first 2 kids and any more that come along should be funded from their own pocket. The religions who have rejected contraception would soon find their followers rejecting their teachings if the children borne to them faced poverty and hardship due to the state refusing to fund their extended families." DWP so job seekers/income support/ esa does NOT pay a penny to/towards children. It pays a very basic rate towards adults only. Tax credits (children's tax credits not working tax credits) HMRC pays for children and then child benefit, Child benefit is not a set amount for each child, the first child gets a higher rate, then the second a lower, I am not sure about the rate for 6/11. But it wont be more than £16 per child, per week. How you can say benefits pay someone to have children, when that stopped Years ago, is just wrong. HMRC and DWP are 2 very different things. Without working tax credits, many families would not be able to survive. | |||
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"Daily Mail readers are an absolute disgrace." Of course you know them all ? | |||
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"I know this is wrong of me, but I can't help hoping that something bad happens to them in prison." Oh I am sure it will. | |||
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"he actually set out to kill his children?? i thought it was an insurance job that went wrong Not insurance - he wanted to be re-housed. I thought he wanted to blame the mother of his other children so she'd go to jail and he'd get custody ..... and the cash benefits which come with the children." You thought right, he tried to frame an innocent person to line his pockets | |||
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"I know this is wrong of me, but I can't help hoping that something bad happens to them in prison. You and me both "Me too | |||
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"she didnt die ,he stabbed her and her mother ,why did he end up being released then!!that was attempted murder !!!" Oops, soz, i thought the article i read said she died and her mum survived. | |||
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"4 the likes of him ,shud hang him upside down by his feet in the street were he lived n let justice be done ,doesnt deserve a warm place 2 eat sleep n b waited on ,,,,,, rip 2 the children ,,,"That would be a lovely sight for the local kids. Oh dear. | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then?" Well someone has to be to blame and of course it couldn't possibly be the scumbag with the petrol and a match!! There is no excuse and no where else to put the blame for this. Whatever sentence they get it will not be enough as what they did is so appalling there just aren't the words to describe it. I'm still amazed it's only manslaughter as they must have known there was at least a risk of injury to the children. As for the whole dogging/swinger stuff that got brought up...what does that have to do with the death of their children? Were they were trying to use it to deflect attention away from what they did...to me it just showed that they felt no remorse or guilt for what they did when they can try to turn it into some kind of sordid sex scandal when the important thing is that 6 children will never grow up because of their actions | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. " The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! | |||
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"no they both survived according to the documentry last night." I didn't watch it. I hate watching things like that, too sad! | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. " | |||
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"I don't get why, if they didn't plan to kill the kids and did want to 'save' them to look like a hero, that they didn't feel remorse afterwards when their plan 'went wrong'?!" I struggle with that too. | |||
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"I don't get why, if they didn't plan to kill the kids and did want to 'save' them to look like a hero, that they didn't feel remorse afterwards when their plan 'went wrong'?! I struggle with that too. " Because they are fucked in head! | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! " No it doesn't and they were being hugely disrespectful putting the childrens photograph under that headline. I had very little time for the Mail I wouldn't use it to wipe my arse on now. | |||
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"I don't get why, if they didn't plan to kill the kids and did want to 'save' them to look like a hero, that they didn't feel remorse afterwards when their plan 'went wrong'?! I struggle with that too. Because they are fucked in head! " This can be the only explanation. | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! " | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. " I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! | |||
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"I couldn't believe they had a 3some with the other guy whilst staying in the hotel following the fire...." Words failed me. Poor kids didn't really stand a chance did they? | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!!" no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it. | |||
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"just my opinion.. And you are entilted to have your say, Why thank you.. My neighbour works within the paediatrics dept of one of manchesters larger hospitals, she often stops for a chat and I do odd jobs for her when its something she cannot do herself. A few months back she was chatting about a new case she was working on, its a man who has a genetic flaw which is passed on to his children, it only effects the male line so the hospital is obliged to check out each and every one of them for this defect, all 9 of them, his 5 daughters will be free of the defect but may pass it on if they have male children. He (Dad) is now unemployed and therefore everything his kids need will be provided gratis by the state, the benefits he claims amount to approx £60K per year, he will not seek work because as a gas service engineer he cannot earn this amount by being in employment. Benefits is not a trap to this guy or a safety net, it is a way of life. If he was only able to get benefits for 2 kids I dont believe he would have had more kids, so now he would be back in employment instead of sponging off the state." so based on second hand gossip your happy to lable someone a sponger.. 
2nd hand gossip from someone who is clearly breaching patient confidentiality, data protection and trust..
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it." "the sort of people who shouldn't be having kids at all when you think about" isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? Now you've thought about it what 'sort of people are we talking about'? | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it." I'm sorry, but what has people that have lots of kids for whatever reason got to do with this? NOTHING!! He is a murdering, deranged, evil bastard that wanted to look a hero after he saved his kids! He would have been the SAME if he worked in a well paid job. | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it. I'm sorry, but what has people that have lots of kids for whatever reason got to do with this? NOTHING!! He is a murdering, deranged, evil bastard that wanted to look a hero after he saved his kids! He would have been the SAME if he worked in a well paid job. " | |||
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"..........Now you've thought about it what 'sort of people are we talking about'?" The sort of people who invite Ann Widdecombe into their lives. | |||
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"They will get a long sentance and if you have noticed recently the Courts have been handing out 30 or 40 years for Murder, good bye to the rubbish. " They've not been done for murder though...only manslaughter. Not sure which bit of setting fire to the house where the children were sleeping wasn't premeditated? | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it." So only council dwelling people on benefits kill their kids?!!  Wow: who knew! | |||
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"They will get a long sentance and if you have noticed recently the Courts have been handing out 30 or 40 years for Murder, good bye to the rubbish. They've not been done for murder though...only manslaughter. Not sure which bit of setting fire to the house where the children were sleeping wasn't premeditated?" The available disposals are, I believe, the same. | |||
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"That Daily Mail headline is an absolute disgrace. The headline actually made me sad. A despicable couple kill their children. The fact they happen to be on benefits doesn't mean everyone on benefits is an arsonist/murderer! no not everyone on benefits are murderers, but he had all those kids just so he could have an easy life and get paid well for it. I daresay there are people who use their children as cash cows. They don't kill the geese that lay the golden eggs though do they?!! no not usualy, but people like them have kids for the wrong reasons. they dont bring them up properly, they are the sort of people who shouldnt be having kids at all if you think about it. So only council dwelling people on benefits kill their kids?!! Wow: who knew! "no i dont think so. | |||
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"They will get a long sentance and if you have noticed recently the Courts have been handing out 30 or 40 years for Murder, good bye to the rubbish. They've not been done for murder though...only manslaughter. Not sure which bit of setting fire to the house where the children were sleeping wasn't premeditated? The available disposals are, I believe, the same." Just been having a look and it seems there is no set/maximum term for manslaughter so will see what happens tomorrow when the judge passes sentence. Still feel it should be murder myself but guess there will be some kind of technicality preventing that from being the case. Either the way I can't imagine any sentence that will be enough | |||
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"..........Now you've thought about it what 'sort of people are we talking about'? The sort of people who invite Ann Widdecombe into their lives." and Jeremy Kyle ! | |||
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"Just watched the programme about it...To be honest I had not followed the case.. I am disgusted with it all.. He was a vile control freak... I Think he brainwashed his mrs however I believe she of course is just as much to blame. They never meant to kill their children that is clear but greed took over any thinking in this case..." What kind of greed? | |||
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"They will get a long sentance and if you have noticed recently the Courts have been handing out 30 or 40 years for Murder, good bye to the rubbish. They've not been done for murder though...only manslaughter. Not sure which bit of setting fire to the house where the children were sleeping wasn't premeditated? The available disposals are, I believe, the same. Just been having a look and it seems there is no set/maximum term for manslaughter so will see what happens tomorrow when the judge passes sentence. Still feel it should be murder myself but guess there will be some kind of technicality preventing that from being the case. Either the way I can't imagine any sentence that will be enough " I thought they said on the news this morning that manslaughter has a maximum of 25 years. But 6 of those to run consecutively should do nicely! | |||
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"Just watched the programme about it...To be honest I had not followed the case.. I am disgusted with it all.. He was a vile control freak... I Think he brainwashed his mrs however I believe she of course is just as much to blame. They never meant to kill their children that is clear but greed took over any thinking in this case... What kind of greed?" He was a greedy man in all sense from money to women getting what he could by any means.... | |||
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"Just watched the programme about it...To be honest I had not followed the case.. I am disgusted with it all.. He was a vile control freak... I Think he brainwashed his mrs however I believe she of course is just as much to blame. They never meant to kill their children that is clear but greed took over any thinking in this case... What kind of greed? He was a greedy man in all sense from money to women getting what he could by any means.... " Well, he'll be someone's shower bitch pretty soon and I hope they rip him to pieces. Not that I favour any kind of state sanctioned murder but if he slips on a bar of soap and somehow accidentally lands on an upturned knife, so be it. | |||
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"Just watched the programme about it...To be honest I had not followed the case.. I am disgusted with it all.. He was a vile control freak... I Think he brainwashed his mrs however I believe she of course is just as much to blame. They never meant to kill their children that is clear but greed took over any thinking in this case... What kind of greed? He was a greedy man in all sense from money to women getting what he could by any means.... " | |||
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"Just watched the programme about it...To be honest I had not followed the case.. I am disgusted with it all.. He was a vile control freak... I Think he brainwashed his mrs however I believe she of course is just as much to blame. They never meant to kill their children that is clear but greed took over any thinking in this case... What kind of greed? He was a greedy man in all sense from money to women getting what he could by any means.... Well, he'll be someone's shower bitch pretty soon and I hope they rip him to pieces. Not that I favour any kind of state sanctioned murder but if he slips on a bar of soap and somehow accidentally lands on an upturned knife, so be it." | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then? Well someone has to be to blame and of course it couldn't possibly be the scumbag with the petrol and a match!! There is no excuse and no where else to put the blame for this. Whatever sentence they get it will not be enough as what they did is so appalling there just aren't the words to describe it. I'm still amazed it's only manslaughter as they must have known there was at least a risk of injury to the children. As for the whole dogging/swinger stuff that got brought up...what does that have to do with the death of their children? Were they were trying to use it to deflect attention away from what they did...to me it just showed that they felt no remorse or guilt for what they did when they can try to turn it into some kind of sordid sex scandal when the important thing is that 6 children will never grow up because of their actions" I think the CPS/police went for a manslaughter charge because they knew it would be very difficult to get a jury to convict them of murder, as there wasn't a clear intent to kill the children. Their reckless actions caused the children's deaths, so they went for manslaughter charge instead. Hopefully the judge will use the maximum tariff open to him and set his term to at least 20 years. | |||
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"using the same absurd idea that the welfare state is in any way shape or form patially culpable in this vile act is a cop out and an insult to the memory of those poor innocent children.. using the same theory then all cars should be limited to 20mph, all sharp instruments shortened to a none lethal length.. ludicrous and just indicative of a narrow minded outlook.. just my opinion.. And you are entilted to have your say, the problem with people is that they have free will, the unique ability to think and act as they wish disregarding every bit of common sense and reason they should listen to. My neighbour works within the paediatrics dept of one of manchesters larger hospitals, she often stops for a chat and I do odd jobs for her when its something she cannot do herself. A few months back she was chatting about a new case she was working on, its a man who has a genetic flaw which is passed on to his children, it only effects the male line so the hospital is obliged to check out each and every one of them for this defect, all 9 of them, his 5 daughters will be free of the defect but may pass it on if they have male children. He (Dad) is now unemployed and therefore everything his kids need will be provided gratis by the state, the benefits he claims amount to approx £60K per year, he will not seek work because as a gas service engineer he cannot earn this amount by being in employment. Benefits is not a trap to this guy or a safety net, it is a way of life. If he was only able to get benefits for 2 kids I dont believe he would have had more kids, so now he would be back in employment instead of sponging off the state." It might be a good idea if your friend stopped gossiping about individual cases. | |||
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"I hope whats her face gets sent to Holloway... She will soon have to grow a pair.. She reminds me slightly of Ian Huntley's mrs... She was another that was brainwashed by a complete cunt of a bloke. However she was aware of her actions. She knew what she was doing.. I do however feel slightly sorry for her. It was clear though she did not want to leave but that is the case in most abusive relationships.. " I wish you could make your mind up and come off the fence. One minute shes brainwashed but the next she knew what she was doing? Mairead Philpott knew EXACTLY what she was doing! What mother (she doesn't even deserve that name) would let herself be 'brainwashed' into doing that to her kids? She is as evil, depraved and murderous as the other two scumbags!! | |||
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"using the same absurd idea that the welfare state is in any way shape or form patially culpable in this vile act is a cop out and an insult to the memory of those poor innocent children.. using the same theory then all cars should be limited to 20mph, all sharp instruments shortened to a none lethal length.. ludicrous and just indicative of a narrow minded outlook.. just my opinion.. And you are entilted to have your say, the problem with people is that they have free will, the unique ability to think and act as they wish disregarding every bit of common sense and reason they should listen to. My neighbour works within the paediatrics dept of one of manchesters larger hospitals, she often stops for a chat and I do odd jobs for her when its something she cannot do herself. A few months back she was chatting about a new case she was working on, its a man who has a genetic flaw which is passed on to his children, it only effects the male line so the hospital is obliged to check out each and every one of them for this defect, all 9 of them, his 5 daughters will be free of the defect but may pass it on if they have male children. He (Dad) is now unemployed and therefore everything his kids need will be provided gratis by the state, the benefits he claims amount to approx £60K per year, he will not seek work because as a gas service engineer he cannot earn this amount by being in employment. Benefits is not a trap to this guy or a safety net, it is a way of life. If he was only able to get benefits for 2 kids I dont believe he would have had more kids, so now he would be back in employment instead of sponging off the state." The other problem with people is that they have the unique ability to spread gossip and hearsay! Do you personally know this guy that you are talking about? If not, you don't know what your talking about!! | |||
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"I hope whats her face gets sent to Holloway... She will soon have to grow a pair.. She reminds me slightly of Ian Huntley's mrs... She was another that was brainwashed by a complete cunt of a bloke. However she was aware of her actions. She knew what she was doing.. I do however feel slightly sorry for her. It was clear though she did not want to leave but that is the case in most abusive relationships.. I wish you could make your mind up and come off the fence. One minute shes brainwashed but the next she knew what she was doing? Mairead Philpott knew EXACTLY what she was doing! What mother (she doesn't even deserve that name) would let herself be 'brainwashed' into doing that to her kids? She is as evil, depraved and murderous as the other two scumbags!!" Ermmm I am not on the fence.. I stated in both my posts that she was brainwashed and in both post stated she was aware of what she was doing... I am seeing it from all sides and no way sitting on any fence.. | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system "By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm. We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background. | |||
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"Benefits ARE an issue here because he wiuldn't have 17 kids if he had to pay for them himself, and the arson plot was motivated by the fact he (correctly) thought he'd be given a bigger house if he burnt down the one the taxpayer had already provided for him free of charge. No new house, no arson plot. It doesn't however lead on to sweeping generalisations about people on benefits, but it IS relevant in this one off case. He has become the man he is because we have given him everything he has free of charge and he still wanted more from us"
Absolutely correct.
Philpott was an extreme example of what is wrong in the benefit system, and killing his kids pretty much makes him a one off. However in his milking of the system he is not unique, there are thousands (if not tens of thousands) like him. On the other side of the coin there are also tens of thousands of people claiming benefit who are in genuine need of the welfare safety net.
The welfare state proposed by Beverage and implemented by Attlee was supposed to fight the "five giant evils" of want, squalor, disease, ignorance, and idleness, and provide a minimum standard of living "below which no one should be allowed to fall"
On squalor and disease the system has pretty much done its job (with one or two notable exceptions) but neither Beverage or Attlee could have envisaged that within a few years "want" would include play stations, flat screen TV's and 2 weeks in Benidorm (as spouted by Kevin Maguire only the other day) As for ignorance and idleness I'm afraid that as illustrated by the Philpott case and others it is a resounding FAILURE
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background. "Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive. | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background.
Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive.
"Money was his motive. It could have been different, for example, if he had an elderly aunt who had put him in her will and was threatening to cut him off. It just so happens that he was on benefits. Being on benefits did not make him the person he is - he was on benefits because he was that person already. | |||
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"Breaking news 1101: Mick Philpott is jailed for life for the manslaughter of six children in a house fire in Derby last May. " Minimum 15years to serve. | |||
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"Breaking news 1101: Mick Philpott is jailed for life for the manslaughter of six children in a house fire in Derby last May. Minimum 15years to serve." Takes the piss 15 years aint life | |||
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"Breaking news 1101: Mick Philpott is jailed for life for the manslaughter of six children in a house fire in Derby last May. Minimum 15years to serve. Takes the piss 15 years aint life " They were not being tried for murder, however, only manslaughter. That is the longest tariff, I think for that charge. And it does say a minimum - so, it is possible he could do longer. | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background.
Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive.
Money was his motive. It could have been different, for example, if he had an elderly aunt who had put him in her will and was threatening to cut him off. It just so happens that he was on benefits. Being on benefits did not make him the person he is - he was on benefits because he was that person already."Of course benefits made him into the monster that he is. Do you think he would have fathered 17 kids if he had to work and pay for them himself? He didn't kill an elderly aunt for an inheritance, the same as he didn't rob a bank, or mug an old lady in the street. He killed six kids to try and get more benefit, full stop. | |||
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"All three found guilty, sickening." Thought it was the first rule of being a parent, to care and look after your children. To keep them out of harms way. He has seventeen children and not one brain cell, let him rot in there. He makes me sick to the bottom of my soul that he could even think of doing that, no matter what reason he thinks he has | |||
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"not read the whole thread but is this the guy who burnt down his council house in order to get a bigger one so he could move 5 more of his kids in for the extra benefits and killed 6 children in the process?" not quite... he had split of with one of the women.. and she had taken her 5 kids with her, so the plan was to start the fire... him rescue the kids and look like the hero, whilst framing her for the attempt at arson... | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background.
Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive.
Money was his motive. It could have been different, for example, if he had an elderly aunt who had put him in her will and was threatening to cut him off. It just so happens that he was on benefits. Being on benefits did not make him the person he is - he was on benefits because he was that person already.
Of course benefits made him into the monster that he is. Do you think he would have fathered 17 kids if he had to work and pay for them himself?
He didn't kill an elderly aunt for an inheritance, the same as he didn't rob a bank, or mug an old lady in the street. He killed six kids to try and get more benefit, full stop."He was convicted of trying to kill a former partner by stabbing her and attacking her mother. He was 21 - way before he had 17 children 'on the welfare'. He was already a monster. Benefits do not make people evil. Full Stop! | |||
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"not read the whole thread but is this the guy who burnt down his council house in order to get a bigger one so he could move 5 more of his kids in for the extra benefits and killed 6 children in the process?" Yep that's him, although Fabios version is nearer the mark. | |||
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"not read the whole thread but is this the guy who burnt down his council house in order to get a bigger one so he could move 5 more of his kids in for the extra benefits and killed 6 children in the process? Yep that's him, although Fabios version is nearer the mark." I only read it quick in the papers this morning before work so only got the outline, one said he did it to get a bigger house and more money but then papers are known to glorify things | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background.
Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive.
Money was his motive. It could have been different, for example, if he had an elderly aunt who had put him in her will and was threatening to cut him off. It just so happens that he was on benefits. Being on benefits did not make him the person he is - he was on benefits because he was that person already.
Of course benefits made him into the monster that he is. Do you think he would have fathered 17 kids if he had to work and pay for them himself?
He didn't kill an elderly aunt for an inheritance, the same as he didn't rob a bank, or mug an old lady in the street. He killed six kids to try and get more benefit, full stop.
He was convicted of trying to kill a former partner by stabbing her and attacking her mother. He was 21 - way before he had 17 children 'on the welfare'. He was already a monster. Benefits do not make people evil. Full Stop!"Already a monster yes, but the benefit system made him into a much more sinister one. Benefits don't make people evil, quite true, but they do give people like Philpott the opportunity to become more and more depraved by encouraging their fickle and totally useless lifestyles. | |||
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"Benefits ARE an issue here because he wiuldn't have 17 kids if he had to pay for them himself, and the arson plot was motivated by the fact he (correctly) thought he'd be given a bigger house if he burnt down the one the taxpayer had already provided for him free of charge. No new house, no arson plot. It doesn't however lead on to sweeping generalisations about people on benefits, but it IS relevant in this one off case. He has become the man he is because we have given him everything he has free of charge and he still wanted more from us" | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system "with that logic when a bank gets robbed it must be the banks fault. what with all the money they keep there | |||
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"Did the welfare state directly kill his kids? NO. Did the welfare state create Mick Philpott and give him the motive to be a child killer? A resounding YES. To those of you who think that no blame should be attached to the benefit system, think about this. Philpott's only motive for starting the fire was to milk more money from the system by A) blaming his ex girlfriend for the fire and regaining custody of the other 5 kids (and the benefits that came with them) and B) By setting fire to the house he thought that the local council would give him a larger (state funded) house. And still some people think that this case had nothing to do with the benefit system
By your logic then, are we saying had he gone different path in life and become a lawyer or doctor he would not have been the inherently evil person he is? He has plenty of form over the last twenty plus years, including grievous bodily harm.
We always seem to have to have something to blame. No doubt he was motivated by what he could get dishonestly. But he'd be the same evil soul, no matter what his background.
Evil yes. But maybe if he had a job and 2 kids he would never have had a motive, and as much as many would like to gloss over, or even deny it. Benefit WAS his motive.
Money was his motive. It could have been different, for example, if he had an elderly aunt who had put him in her will and was threatening to cut him off. It just so happens that he was on benefits. Being on benefits did not make him the person he is - he was on benefits because he was that person already.
Of course benefits made him into the monster that he is. Do you think he would have fathered 17 kids if he had to work and pay for them himself?
He didn't kill an elderly aunt for an inheritance, the same as he didn't rob a bank, or mug an old lady in the street. He killed six kids to try and get more benefit, full stop.
He was convicted of trying to kill a former partner by stabbing her and attacking her mother. He was 21 - way before he had 17 children 'on the welfare'. He was already a monster. Benefits do not make people evil. Full Stop!
Already a monster yes, but the benefit system made him into a much more sinister one.
Benefits don't make people evil, quite true, but they do give people like Philpott the opportunity to become more and more depraved by encouraging their fickle and totally useless lifestyles."And before the Welfare State there were no feckless, idle useless people of course. And no one was evil and no one was a murderer. | |||
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"Benefits ARE an issue here because he wiuldn't have 17 kids if he had to pay for them himself, and the arson plot was motivated by the fact he (correctly) thought he'd be given a bigger house if he burnt down the one the taxpayer had already provided for him free of charge. No new house, no arson plot. It doesn't however lead on to sweeping generalisations about people on benefits, but it IS relevant in this one off case. He has become the man he is because we have given him everything he has free of charge and he still wanted more from us" Pretty much this! | |||
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"According to the mail today the welfare state is to blame. nothing to do with the fact he's just a nasty evil piece of shit then?" "it is partly to blame though for rewarding idiots like him for breeding." I heard on a radio program, lbc I think that the total family income was £60,000 per annum = £100,000 wage, perhaps there is some truth in the Daily Mail headline. He had money, car, sex, booze, did not have to work and absolutely everything supplied to him by the state, perhaps over a period of time we do make people like this and like some successful criminals they begin to feel untouchable. | |||
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