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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone..
How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots?"
They hit it twice, luckily it's only got a badly cut leg, why not call a local farmer it's not like calfs can't be rounded t |
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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone..
How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots?
They hit it twice, luckily it's only got a badly cut leg, why not call a local farmer it's not like calfs can't be rounded t"
Maybe they did?
Course they can but if it's in panic and it had already ran into traffic that's a different ball game..
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable "
You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it |
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable
You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it "
Was it a greyhound? |
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable
You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it
Was it a greyhound?"
It was a foxhound |
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By (user no longer on site) 24 weeks ago
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When I thought you said run into a calf I thought you meant a jogger? I did the same last week humm...tried for the cyclist but this bloody jogger got in the way! Anyway..that's another story...btw...is road kill cow legal to take home? |
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By (user no longer on site) 24 weeks ago
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"If you watch the video frame by frame, just before the police van hits it you can see the cow trying to throw something away."
What exactly do you mean? Like drugs?
I can't believe county lines are now using pantomime costumes?
Watch out! He's behind you! No he isn't?
Doesn't work for me. Fake news!! |
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand
It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad "
Of course there were options, they didn't even try and handcuff it |
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By (user no longer on site) 24 weeks ago
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand
It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad
Of course there were options, they didn't even try and handcuff it "
That's just silly. Cows don't have hands. |
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By (user no longer on site) 24 weeks ago
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand
It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad "
I don't understand what the beef was about this? |
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By *batMan 24 weeks ago
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How would you have dealt with it Samantha?
[Your answer will ideally include realistic time frames and access to legitimate resources, (not just a regurgitation of a "heartbeat"episode), whilst minimising danger and inconvenience to other road users]
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I’m not sure to be honest…. tranquiliser dart… the area being closed off and the cow being gradually closed in on, in order to be caught safely? Of course the safety of pedestrians and road users is important but I can’t say I’m bothered about their ‘inconvenience’, especially if is is being prioritised over the suffering of an animal. |
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I have seen a couple of videos of this. Now from reading online the calf had already damages cars ? , plus chasing members of public in area.
Other posters have said use tranquilliser gun. This not as easy as sounds. First finding a vet who has said tranquilliser drug and also someone who has expertise to use. ( police marks persons may not be trained in use) ?
Shooting with a bullet in area with public with a gun police carry. Again public outcry?
Now also whoever owns the animal can be liable for any damage to property, persons it damages.
So my thought as someone who has been on farms etc. If calf say weighs approx half a ton. They are very very powerful. Which could be moving at ten mile an hour . Will cause a lot if damage to people property. Not easy to stop. You also have a problem of noise . People shouting , cars etc. which again will spook the calf. ?
How do you stop a calf which could weigh about half a ton damaging property , people?
Footage is very very distressing . I would like to know how this actually started in the first place.
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By *ister_EMan 23 weeks ago
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I used to live in Staines until about a year ago. And know a lot of the local officers. I can only Imagine that this was a desperate act of last resort for them.
Staines is just within the M25 and most of the officers there would be completely out of their depth when dealing with livestock.
Finding a cattle farmer capable of handling that animal would not be a simple matter in that area. And I promise you that the local Vets are not trained or equipped to deal with this either. The local practice could hardly handle an enraged Cat in a cage, never mind rampaging livestock!
Also having grown up on a farm and worked with cattle, I can tell you that even with years of experience, that would not have been an easy situation to handle.
Even a small cow poses significant danger to pedestrians and cyclists. And if struck by a fast moving car (30mph) can easily roll over the bonnet and smash through the windshield. (This is not an exaggeration, I have actually been in a vehicle when this happened.)
Staines on a Friday night is sometimes full of kids and d*unk and high teens and it only gets worse as the pubs start to empty out, which it something these officers would know.
I'm not saying that they couldn't have handled it a lot better, I'm just saying that good people can easily make wrong choices, in high pressure, life or death situations.
I would view this as an opportunity for learning and training, rather than the time to call for individual officer's heads to roll.....
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Absolutely disgraceful handling by Surrey police. It was only a calf and in the footage I have seen, it appeared relatively calm and was just trotting along. Ramming into it at speed, causing it to go flying across the road and then hitting it again, appearing to trap its head under the car. Such unnecessary brutality. The calf has apparently been moved to a nearby farm, has been named ‘Beau’ and is receiving treatment for an injured leg  |
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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone..
How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots?
The calf is definitely burgers now.  "
It's fine..
Had treatment, owner now located and its recovering.. 
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Bloody awful! Surely they have farmers and veterinary staff in Surrey who would have had more experience, tools and knowledge
Poor animal, I hope the Police involved are unvestigated and prosecuted |
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"I used to live in Staines until about a year ago. And know a lot of the local officers. I can only Imagine that this was a desperate act of last resort for them.
Staines is just within the M25 and most of the officers there would be completely out of their depth when dealing with livestock.
Finding a cattle farmer capable of handling that animal would not be a simple matter in that area. And I promise you that the local Vets are not trained or equipped to deal with this either. The local practice could hardly handle an enraged Cat in a cage, never mind rampaging livestock!
Also having grown up on a farm and worked with cattle, I can tell you that even with years of experience, that would not have been an easy situation to handle.
Even a small cow poses significant danger to pedestrians and cyclists. And if struck by a fast moving car (30mph) can easily roll over the bonnet and smash through the windshield. (This is not an exaggeration, I have actually been in a vehicle when this happened.)
Staines on a Friday night is sometimes full of kids and d*unk and high teens and it only gets worse as the pubs start to empty out, which it something these officers would know.
I'm not saying that they couldn't have handled it a lot better, I'm just saying that good people can easily make wrong choices, in high pressure, life or death situations.
I would view this as an opportunity for learning and training, rather than the time to call for individual officer's heads to roll.....
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So I do agree with everything you have said. Cattle can be a nightmare and expecting city people (ie non rural) to understand how to handle them is crazy. That said - why didn’t they try to pen it in? Car at one end of a road, car at the other end and it isn’t going anywhere. |
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By *igman_UKMan 23 weeks ago
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It is very easy to jump to conclusions and opinions based on a short video lasting how long...a couple of minutes at most? From what I've read, the police had been trying recapture and contain the cow for a couple of hours.
A couple of hours using how many resources that could not then respond to other incidents or what some press would say "catching real criminals" on a Saturday night?
If a person had been injured or killed by a cow running into them or their car, would everyone be still saying it was disproportionate? It's easy to judge from home without all the facts based on an effective snapshop of a bigger long lasting incident. |
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car "
Agree It was so upsetting to watch |
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand "
Haven't seen it. But sounds like we need to press reset on how we as humans expect everything at our easiest convenience. Still guess they had some nice veal for lunch at the cop shop. |
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car "
The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available..
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car
The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available..
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they have training in animal rescue, but not in 'chasing down the road' situation. And who has equipment for that!
They big heavy creatures, even one that young. Have seen cattle go through proper stock fencing when something set them off, and nothing was getting in front of them until they decided to stop!
Cannot be prepared for every single situation. It's certainly a training requirement and a think out of the box situation.
 Would love to see the incident report and the vehicle damager report on that one!! |
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car
The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available..
they have training in animal rescue, but not in 'chasing down the road' situation. And who has equipment for that!
They big heavy creatures, even one that young. Have seen cattle go through proper stock fencing when something set them off, and nothing was getting in front of them until they decided to stop!
Cannot be prepared for every single situation. It's certainly a training requirement and a think out of the box situation.
Would love to see the incident report and the vehicle damager report on that one!! "
Some have animal rescue training yes, not fully up to speed on Surrey's but I know they used to carry horse slings which we needed once on a job near the border..
Very much a thinking as you get there incident and as usual if it's ok then fine and if not lots of criticism from some who are unaware of the reality of the limitations.. |
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I still can't get my head around the fact that one cow (a baby cow) couldn't be contained....
Recently a lorry carrying cattle overturned on the A5 near me, one of the busiest roads in the area, animals hurt and loose.
The police managed to block the roads and secure the area while vet surgeons from around the area deployed to help with the rounding up and rescue mission. Yes some where euthanased because they were too hurt but the majority rescued and taken to local farms...
If other areas can manage it then why can't Surrey?
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I wasn't there. I don't know why the officers concerned made the decision they did.
I'm sure it will be thoroughly investigated, the officers either disciplined or given training then they'll be sent back out to face people with knives, pick up after fatal rtc and intervene in violent domestic disputes but it won't make national news |
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The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog "
The Farmers girlfriend has been chatting to the press. Seems she thinks it's a disgrace, police should lose their job. Should have rang her to deal with it (how they'd know it was her boyfriends cow I do not know). Only a small cow (32st)... No comment from her boyfriend who owns the cow 
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Statement from Surrey Police:
“I fully appreciate the distress our handling of this incident has caused and will ensure that it is thoroughly and diligently investigated. In addition to an internal referral to our Professional Standards Department, we have also referred the matter to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) for independent consideration.
"At this time, the officer who was driving the police car has been removed from frontline duties pending the outcome of these investigations.
"I know there is much concern around the current welfare of the cow. She is now back with her owner and recuperating with her herd. She did sustain a large cut to one leg and cuts and grazes. She continues to be monitored by a vet and our rural officers are staying in contact with the owner for updates.
"I can confirm that on the night, efforts were made to contact local vets without success and efforts were simultaneously being made to identify the owner. Why these were unsuccessful and what more could and should have been done will form a key part of the investigation.
"As well as our overriding duty to protect the public, the welfare of animals is important to us and we know people want answers about how this happened and what led up to it. I am committed to ensuring that we have a full understanding of what took place and why, and we will fully support any investigation. I have also briefed the Home Office on what action we are taking and we are liaising with several animal charities that have been in touch with us about this incident.
"We will continue to provide both our local communities and the wider public with updates as investigations into this matter continue and will also publish these on our website” |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog
The Farmers girlfriend has been chatting to the press. Seems she thinks it's a disgrace, police should lose their job. Should have rang her to deal with it (how they'd know it was her boyfriends cow I do not know). Only a small cow (32st)... No comment from her boyfriend who owns the cow
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Not to mention that the owner of stray cattle are liable for any damage they cause….no wonder he’s keeping quiet. |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog "
You are absolutely right Granny, the owner or keeper of the cattle are responsible for ensuring they do not stray and are liable in the case of damage to persons or property.
Specific insurances are available for these circumstances.
Should it be proven that the cattle strayed due to actions of a third party, eg, walker leaving gate not shut or someone maliciously causing damage to fences etc, the owner would still be liable and would have to pursue a claim against any third party to try and recoup costs.
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"Statement from Surrey Police:
“I fully appreciate the distress our handling of this incident has caused and will ensure that it is thoroughly and diligently investigated. In addition to an internal referral to our Professional Standards Department, we have also referred the matter to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) for independent consideration.
"At this time, the officer who was driving the police car has been removed from frontline duties pending the outcome of these investigations.
"I know there is much concern around the current welfare of the cow. She is now back with her owner and recuperating with her herd. She did sustain a large cut to one leg and cuts and grazes. She continues to be monitored by a vet and our rural officers are staying in contact with the owner for updates.
"I can confirm that on the night, efforts were made to contact local vets without success and efforts were simultaneously being made to identify the owner. Why these were unsuccessful and what more could and should have been done will form a key part of the investigation.
"As well as our overriding duty to protect the public, the welfare of animals is important to us and we know people want answers about how this happened and what led up to it. I am committed to ensuring that we have a full understanding of what took place and why, and we will fully support any investigation. I have also briefed the Home Office on what action we are taking and we are liaising with several animal charities that have been in touch with us about this incident.
"We will continue to provide both our local communities and the wider public with updates as investigations into this matter continue and will also publish these on our website”"
I personally think that's shocking! Some poor bastard who isn't a vet/farmer, has now been suspended? Because someone videoed this 30sec issue, after ongoing hours of trying to resolve it... They'll probs lose their job, over an animal that now has 'a name', but at some point will presumably go to slaughter regardless! It's shocking! It's shit! And all us 'animal lovers', will likely be tucking into cuts of it's cousin this Sunday  |
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And I'm not a farmer... But fire & rescue did turn up to haul a relatives bull from a ditch. It was dragged out, under distress, a very heavy animal. It couldn't stand unaided, it was 'placed against a wall'... Died the next day, after being stood in the rain all night... They should have put a bolt gun to the calfs head. But because it was stressed probs couldn't get close! It's not someone pet. They did the best they could. And I'm sorry, but if you think you know better to deal with a 32st stressed animal? Then crack on eh  |
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By *ister_EMan 23 weeks ago
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"Surely a road block would have sorted the situation better  "
I've seen dairy cows jump 5 foot fences from a standing start.
If the cow panicked and tried to jump the car, it could potentially go through the windshield and hurt itself or officers very badly.
Also cows are actually very intelligent when it comes to evasion tactics, and it would be far more difficult than you think |
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Always the cops fault eh
Love to see how anyone would handle any stressed animal larger than a mouse. Imagine if the cops were busy on the phone trying to find a cow catcher (Hmm another term used in Oz for crash bars on vehicles lol) or trying to round up cars to try and box in the cow and it managed to run, Bull Doze, over some people or worse kids. |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog "
Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog
Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? "
it wasnt the Calf's fault - but unfortunately the calf - which now has a name to act on the sympathies of the public, was out of control and a police officer took a decision to stop it - ok it probably wasnt the best decision, but he was there and on the spur of the moment trying to decide what to do, they probably had a discussion about 'stopping it with the car'. It was an on the spot decision and potential lives were at risk. Not everyone has to make these decisions, and yea they not always perfect.
I dont think anywhere in the police training centre's do they cover - this is what you do with an animal that could crush you!!
The calf is ok and will be fattened and on the table in a few months and no one will remember that it was run over by a car! |
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By *8on33Man 23 weeks ago
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog
Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible?
it wasnt the Calf's fault - but unfortunately the calf - which now has a name to act on the sympathies of the public, was out of control and a police officer took a decision to stop it - ok it probably wasnt the best decision, but he was there and on the spur of the moment trying to decide what to do, they probably had a discussion about 'stopping it with the car'. It was an on the spot decision and potential lives were at risk. Not everyone has to make these decisions, and yea they not always perfect.
I dont think anywhere in the police training centre's do they cover - this is what you do with an animal that could crush you!!
The calf is ok and will be fattened and on the table in a few months and no one will remember that it was run over by a car!"
I like pulled pork though not crushed calf . |
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The farmer is liable for any damage an escaped animal causes. Look up online . This even if someone leaves a gate open. Basically farmers to ensure where animals kept cannot get out into public areas. |
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"The cow was spooked.
The cow did not want to be caught
The cow was on a very busy road
The police made efforts to stop the cow
The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed.
Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code.
In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog
Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? "
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Anyways, they didn't shoot it so fair play
There must have been a kinder way to deal with it than that.
