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two 12 yr old boys convicted of murder - using a machete
a 14 and 15 yr old and two 16 yr olds have been arrested at the weekend in Nuneaton following fatal stabbing on one of the main roads in town !
the list is so long the number of knife murders by kids with knives!
how does a 12 yr old hide a machete under their bed or even in their house and it not been seen by parents?? they not small!
What is going on !
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The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently.
I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what . |
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By *rBobbMan 24 weeks ago
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"two 12 yr old boys convicted of murder - using a machete
a 14 and 15 yr old and two 16 yr olds have been arrested at the weekend in Nuneaton following fatal stabbing on one of the main roads in town !
the list is so long the number of knife murders by kids with knives!
how does a 12 yr old hide a machete under their bed or even in their house and it not been seen by parents?? they not small!
What is going on !
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That one in Nuneaton was to close to home. Sadly it's spreading everywhere |
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Kids are being groomed. They’re being targeted and groomed to get into a lifestyle that they know nothing about. They do it for money. For status. For all kinds of things. And the cuts to youth provisions and the difficulty for charity organisations to get funding make it harder to get support for these young people.
These young people are vulnerable. And tbh it’s not going to get any better for them once they’re involved with the criminal justice system. Their opportunities which are usually already slim are then cut in half or they’re non existent.
Having worked with young people and been friends growing up with people that have got involved with this life it’s sad to see that the problem isn’t getting any better. |
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To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
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New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. |
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. "
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12 year old are unfortunately not the slightly built innocent kids of yesteryear.
The victim in this horrendous case had the blade go right through his body, imagine the hate and strength that goes into that.
All to easily bought,sold and used.
One of the political parties announced they were banning MonsterDrinks to under 16s,fair enough but there's far more important issues out there .
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now.
An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. "
Exactly my point.
The current system has failed and a new approach is required.
But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action.
But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place.
Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place.
Making social media more responsible for the their involvement.
Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons.
For a start |
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now.
An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime.
Exactly my point.
The current system has failed and a new approach is required.
But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action.
But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place.
Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place.
Making social media more responsible for the their involvement.
Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons.
For a start "
And that's just the tip of the iceberg and let's not pretend that this is just an inner city issue this is a small town and village in middle Briton issue as much as big cities.
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now.
An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime.
Exactly my point.
The current system has failed and a new approach is required.
But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action.
But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place.
Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place.
Making social media more responsible for the their involvement.
Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons.
For a start "
I disagree with you almost completely but I don’t have the headspace to get into that rn
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now.
An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime.
Exactly my point.
The current system has failed and a new approach is required.
But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action.
But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place.
Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place.
Making social media more responsible for the their involvement.
Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons.
For a start
I disagree with you almost completely but I don’t have the headspace to get into that rn
Fair enough though "
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And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Really? I'm a single parent to two boys one the same age as these two one a bit younger, if this was either one of mine I'd feel as if I'd failed as a parent. There children and the parents are responsible for them , feed them clothe them and instill morals . But maybe that's an outdated view, nevertheless it's how I parent.
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If you really want horror shows like this to end, you have to end the horror show that is capitalism.
But we're not going to be in the mood for that level of change until things become far, far worse across every level of existence we take for granted.
Every comfort - no longer comfortable.
Every assumption - no longer sustainable.
For anyone directly involved as a victim of violence or abuse - they always have my sympathy. Always.
For anyone who commits these acts, when a clear run of existing under different socio-economic conditions has failed and eluded them, they have my political intention to change EVERYTHING.
And once we've changed EVERYTHING, if monsters still exist (they probably will...no reason why a human can't be born a monster - but it's probably 1% of current "monsterness") - then I have no reason to hate them. I can't hate COVID for existing in a way that kills. I just manage its reality.
Likewise, anyone born as "monster'...ain't their fault, but they sure as hell don't get to live in a way to hurt others. I have no need to punish them. I have every need to keep everyone safe from them.
We make monsters (apart from that 1% born that way).
Capitalism is a monster-making machine.
It's about time we overhauled everything about it.
And that goes further than anything 99.9% of people want to grapple with.
But it's coming - because that "monster" capitalism has to turn and feed off the rest of you now - it has exhausted its other food supplies. |
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently.
I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what . "
They get them at the school gates. |
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently.
I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what .
They get them at the school gates."
Get what ? Free passes to cause misery. |
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"It was probably hidden in a shed or selling someone’s else house, gangs normally hide things also, so was it hand associated violence or just a malignant act?"
nope it was located under the bed (for the 12 year olds) |
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"It was probably hidden in a shed or selling someone’s else house, gangs normally hide things also, so was it hand associated violence or just a malignant act?
nope it was located under the bed (for the 12 year olds)"
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parenting is not easy at the best of times, and yea single parenting is even harder - it takes a village to raise a child? surely we all have a responsibility to our communities? But god knows how you fix something that is so broken.
The 10 yr old kids by me jump in front of cars and try to terrorise the neighbourhood, and shout grass at those residence that call the police on them, yet run them over - yea it would be the drivers fault. I once tried speaking calmly to the father of one charming little specimen - and his dad said - i have taught him to stick up for himself ! no mate you have taught him to be rude.
There seems to be an attitude to do as you please and as someone said, the amount of force that these two cases show was used against a living breathing person to actually do the damage they have.
I dont know what the answer is but i as hell dont like the society that is developing - and the lack of manners and common curtesy.
I had to do a home conditions report for a house in Birmingham, the police suggested that we could search the older child's room as there was a third party report of a machete in his room, and as it was a 3rd party report they would not be allowed to go in and search without consent, which we knew the parent would not give. I refused - the system is broken
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"two 12 yr old boys convicted of murder - using a machete
a 14 and 15 yr old and two 16 yr olds have been arrested at the weekend in Nuneaton following fatal stabbing on one of the main roads in town !
the list is so long the number of knife murders by kids with knives!
how does a 12 yr old hide a machete under their bed or even in their house and it not been seen by parents?? they not small!
What is going on !
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Generally hidden in plain sight for easy access out of the house |
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently.
I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what .
They get them at the school gates.
Get what ? Free passes to cause misery. "
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"To answer your question OP.
The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked.
Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services.
So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something.
Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in
1983.
The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero.
So if they catch a child carrying a machete?
Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves.
A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head.
It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes.
I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences.
New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable.
And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one.
Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now.
An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. "
I have to agree with pickle, people who think deterrence is the answer, don't understand the problem.
To understand it, watch the TV series The Wire. It was ground breaking. You can't provide a proper solution till you understand the problem. |
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If deterrence worked they wouldn't have scrapped borstal. You can't teach civility with barbarism, you can only teach barbarism.
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How about making it more difficult to get hands on knives??,, they are too easy to buy,, from most hardware shops and then you have the specialist shops both physical and online that sells any sort of blade imaginable! Legally selling dangerous weapons on the street in plain sight - most would say they sell responsibly but there are ones that would make a sale just for the shear greed of a sale |
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"How about making it more difficult to get hands on knives??,, they are too easy to buy,, from most hardware shops and then you have the specialist shops both physical and online that sells any sort of blade imaginable! Legally selling dangerous weapons on the street in plain sight - most would say they sell responsibly but there are ones that would make a sale just for the shear greed of a sale"
No 12yo or 18yo is buying a knife legally. I don't think high street shops are the issue.
Also, accepting that most people don't use machetes in the kitchen, young people don't have to look far in most homes to find some kind of knife, if they really think they "need" one. It's one of those weapons we cannot wholly ban, like we can guns and other things that do not have a legit daily function for pretty much all of us. |
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