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Are they trying to drive customers away?
I was fined.. possibly twice.now for not asking in a bay. My mum is disabled and needs the room if there's no disabled parking. 60 quid now or 100 after two weeks.
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"Are they trying to drive customers away?
I was fined.. possibly twice.now for not asking in a bay. My mum is disabled and needs the room if there's no disabled parking. 60 quid now or 100 after two weeks.
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Private firms cannot issue FINES, only invoice you for breaching their contract.
Only the driver of the vehicle can be liable for parking infringments, tell them you don't remember the incident and ask them to prove the identity of the driver for you.
Alternatively, you could dispute the validity on the grounds of disability discrimination. The fact that no disabled bays were available sugests that the carpark has not been designed with enough capacity for people with accessibility needs. Your mum will have undoubtedly suffered undue discomfort in having to struggle over a longer distance to reach the shop, and would also have suffered undue stress over the parking infringment.
Personally, I would have probably unloaded mum at the shop and then gone and parked propperly, but that doesn't help your current situation.
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Take the fine.
No one should inconvenience disabled people with their 'entitled' parking attitude and that includes disabled people.
There are many ways around getting your mum into the supermarket and parking the car correctly. You just need to think of others. |
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"You can take the letter into the branch or email the shop explaining. They can then cancel the ticket.
You do need to give a receipt from the shop to say u were in the shop on that given day.
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How does showing a receipt prove you are entitled to park in a disabled bay ? |
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"You can take the letter into the branch or email the shop explaining. They can then cancel the ticket.
You do need to give a receipt from the shop to say u were in the shop on that given day.
How does showing a receipt prove you are entitled to park in a disabled bay ?"
Ok receipt and blue badge. No blue badge then pay up. |
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"You can take the letter into the branch or email the shop explaining. They can then cancel the ticket.
You do need to give a receipt from the shop to say u were in the shop on that given day.
How does showing a receipt prove you are entitled to park in a disabled bay ?"
I read it as he didn't use a bay at all |
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My 85 year old mum just got fined for parking in a disabled bay displaying her Blue Badge. She didn't realise it had expired a few days before. She didn't realise they expire but agreed it was her mistake and paid the fine. |
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"You can take the letter into the branch or email the shop explaining. They can then cancel the ticket.
You do need to give a receipt from the shop to say u were in the shop on that given day.
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Generally the shops will tell you that the private parking companies are nothing to do with them and instruct you to contact them directly
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"Are they trying to drive customers away?
I was fined.. possibly twice.now for not asking in a bay. My mum is disabled and needs the room if there's no disabled parking. 60 quid now or 100 after two weeks.
Private firms cannot issue FINES, only invoice you for breaching their contract.
Only the driver of the vehicle can be liable for parking infringments, tell them you don't remember the incident and ask them to prove the identity of the driver for you.
Alternatively, you could dispute the validity on the grounds of disability discrimination. The fact that no disabled bays were available sugests that the carpark has not been designed with enough capacity for people with accessibility needs. Your mum will have undoubtedly suffered undue discomfort in having to struggle over a longer distance to reach the shop, and would also have suffered undue stress over the parking infringment.
Personally, I would have probably unloaded mum at the shop and then gone and parked propperly, but that doesn't help your current situation.
Cal"
Yes it’s an invoice not a fine, just bin it.
You are right that only the driver could’ve received services from the company issuing the invoice but the DVLA still give them the automatic feed of registered keeper , Illegally in my view. The conditions that you have to pass to be eligible for an automatic DVLA feed actually make most of the companies not eligible they include things like no criminal records whereas we know most of the companies are run by people that used to do clamping and enforcement and most of them do you have criminal records |
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"My 85 year old mum just got fined for parking in a disabled bay displaying her Blue Badge. She didn't realise it had expired a few days before. She didn't realise they expire but agreed it was her mistake and paid the fine. "
I realised on Sunday last week that my Blue Badge expires on 19th of this month. I have done the renewal and am hoping it comes through because without it, I can't park anywhere at or near work  |
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"Take the fine.
No one should inconvenience disabled people with their 'entitled' parking attitude and that includes disabled people.
There are many ways around getting your mum into the supermarket and parking the car correctly. You just need to think of others. "
It's kinda hard when you are the disabled driver, Granny. Without either a Blue Badge bay or an end bay (where I have to get into my chair in amongst moving vehicles), I cannot park. An ordinary bay with cars parked either side is too narrow, it simply cannot be done. Even if I'm with Mr KC, he cannot drive so we always have to park up and I have to get out, before we go into a shop or whatever.
I just don't give my custom to places where I can't park. If they don't want to provide sufficient Blue Badge bays and the next place I can park is far away, I'll just fuck off somewhere else and do what I need to do.
That means I rarely frequent independent businesses, because they rarely have parking, let alone sufficient Blue Badge parking, and instead spend my money at soulless out of town shopping parks, the kind that everyone loves to hate, but that come with liberal Blue Badge parking, generally.
At the Trafford Centre (a brilliantly accessible place), we park RIIIIIIGHT at the furthest car park, which is usually next to empty, in an end bay and push/walk down the central walkway, because there are actually not enough Blue Badge bays and people misuse them on the regular. However, I forgive it because of the complete accessibility of the entire establishment. |
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"Are they trying to drive customers away?
I was fined.. possibly twice.now for not asking in a bay. My mum is disabled and needs the room if there's no disabled parking. 60 quid now or 100 after two weeks.
Private firms cannot issue FINES, only invoice you for breaching their contract.
Only the driver of the vehicle can be liable for parking infringments, tell them you don't remember the incident and ask them to prove the identity of the driver for you.
Alternatively, you could dispute the validity on the grounds of disability discrimination. The fact that no disabled bays were available sugests that the carpark has not been designed with enough capacity for people with accessibility needs. Your mum will have undoubtedly suffered undue discomfort in having to struggle over a longer distance to reach the shop, and would also have suffered undue stress over the parking infringment.
Personally, I would have probably unloaded mum at the shop and then gone and parked propperly, but that doesn't help your current situation.
Cal
Yes it’s an invoice not a fine, just bin it.
You are right that only the driver could’ve received services from the company issuing the invoice but the DVLA still give them the automatic feed of registered keeper , Illegally in my view. The conditions that you have to pass to be eligible for an automatic DVLA feed actually make most of the companies not eligible they include things like no criminal records whereas we know most of the companies are run by people that used to do clamping and enforcement and most of them do you have criminal records"
Unfortunately, the policy of just ignoring the payment demands just doesn't work. They WILL take it to court & it will cost more.
It is however their responsibility to prove who was liable. If "you" weren't driving, then you can't legally be compelled to identify the driver.
I personally think that there should be a limit on what they can charge. £100 to park in a shop carpark is not reasonable.
In this particular case, I do believe that arguing that there has been discrimination by not providing enough spaces that meet the needs of disabled customers is the best course of action |
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Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist. |
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By *4bimMan 26 weeks ago
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the council sold the car park which had a asda in it to a private firm.
they put up camera everywhere and even put a price on the motorbike parking spaces.
so, now i do not shop at asda. sainsbury less than a mile away doesnt charge for motorbikes.
they get my business |
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"You can take the letter into the branch or email the shop explaining. They can then cancel the ticket.
You do need to give a receipt from the shop to say u were in the shop on that given day.
How does showing a receipt prove you are entitled to park in a disabled bay ?"
It's a blue receipt
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as above with private land
but make sure its not council owned first
if its like a shopping precinct with multi shops it will be more on the private side of it, the same as shopping at tesco, asda or others |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist."
Apart from the ones that use CCTV and send you the pic of you driving your own car. |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist."
That's not correct there was a ruling a few years ago , the invoice will go to the registered keeper regardless of who was driving . Parking eye v Mr Beavis. He went to supreme court and lost setting a president for all the parking companies. You could end up with bailiffs clamping your car costing hundreds more than the invoice. |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist.
That's not correct there was a ruling a few years ago , the invoice will go to the registered keeper regardless of who was driving . Parking eye v Mr Beavis. He went to supreme court and lost setting a president for all the parking companies. You could end up with bailiffs clamping your car costing hundreds more than the invoice. "
They've been quoting BEAVIS for years. It's their only victory. Beavis' situation and yours will be different.
BEAVIS was quoted to me. Luckily I am able to make a distinction and don't panic easy ....... they've had their money's worth out of making BEAVIS so famous ..... that's at least 6/7 years ago ...
If they were successful they'd be using more recent quotes |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist.
That's not correct there was a ruling a few years ago , the invoice will go to the registered keeper regardless of who was driving . Parking eye v Mr Beavis. He went to supreme court and lost setting a president for all the parking companies. You could end up with bailiffs clamping your car costing hundreds more than the invoice. "
Me Beavis identified himself as the driver. His argument in court was that the £100 fee was unreasonable to charge for a parking debt. (Not a fine as a private company has no authority to fine).
The only president set in this case is the amount of money that they can charge for their debt recovery. |
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"Just looked BEAVIS up ......... 2015. Almost one decade ago ......
Fear not "
I know this case was years ago but it set a precedent for all parking companies at the supreme court. There ruling was the charge was enforceable and the charge not excessive. Thus setting a precedent for all the parking companies to follow. |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist.
That's not correct there was a ruling a few years ago , the invoice will go to the registered keeper regardless of who was driving . Parking eye v Mr Beavis. He went to supreme court and lost setting a president for all the parking companies. You could end up with bailiffs clamping your car costing hundreds more than the invoice.
Me Beavis identified himself as the driver. His argument in court was that the £100 fee was unreasonable to charge for a parking debt. (Not a fine as a private company has no authority to fine).
The only president set in this case is the amount of money that they can charge for their debt recovery."
It also set the president that the charges are enforceable, which is why the old 'just bin it' advice is the worst thing to do now, as this allows them to take it to court unchallenged. If there are grounds for appeal it's always best to do that now and then let them decide if they want to risk losing in court |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice."
Increasingly difficult, the vast majority of car parks round us are controlled or monitored by private parking companies. |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice."
If people didn't park like wankers or use them for all day parking the companies wouldn't need the parking people. |
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"Go to court. The contract is between the driver and the parking company, not the registered keeper. Deny being the driver and you are under no obligation to name the driver as this is a civil matter.
If everyone did this, the parking companies would cease to exist.
That's not correct there was a ruling a few years ago , the invoice will go to the registered keeper regardless of who was driving . Parking eye v Mr Beavis. He went to supreme court and lost setting a president for all the parking companies. You could end up with bailiffs clamping your car costing hundreds more than the invoice.
Me Beavis identified himself as the driver. His argument in court was that the £100 fee was unreasonable to charge for a parking debt. (Not a fine as a private company has no authority to fine).
The only president set in this case is the amount of money that they can charge for their debt recovery.
It also set the president that the charges are enforceable, which is why the old 'just bin it' advice is the worst thing to do now, as this allows them to take it to court unchallenged. If there are grounds for appeal it's always best to do that now and then let them decide if they want to risk losing in court"
Yes, I never said ignore it. I said go to court. |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice.
Increasingly difficult, the vast majority of car parks round us are controlled or monitored by private parking companies. "
Yes, this is true. But not all. |
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They changed the parking system at the local shopping centre, no barriers and have to enter your reg number, now the amount of money they have spent on all this, they could have paid for version of the payment system to recognise when you enter, like it will come up with the date, what your car is but nope! You have to try and remember when you arrived.
Went a few weeks ago and I got a fine in the post for £100, apparently I had already had other letters but I had not, saying I didn't pay, luckily I had proof from my bank but for that reason, I will not be using that car park again. |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice.
Increasingly difficult, the vast majority of car parks round us are controlled or monitored by private parking companies.
Yes, this is true. But not all. "
Even the hospital car parking is controlled by Parking Eye!! I can't not go to my hospital appointments, eh?
All the out of town retail parks that are accessible and with lots of blue badge parking, are controlled or owned by private parking companies. Councils sold off their car parks or control of them to NCP and the likes. If I don't use an NCP, I can't go to work because they are the only car parks within a reasonable push.
You cannot avoid them. |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice.
Increasingly difficult, the vast majority of car parks round us are controlled or monitored by private parking companies.
Yes, this is true. But not all.
Even the hospital car parking is controlled by Parking Eye!! I can't not go to my hospital appointments, eh?
All the out of town retail parks that are accessible and with lots of blue badge parking, are controlled or owned by private parking companies. Councils sold off their car parks or control of them to NCP and the likes. If I don't use an NCP, I can't go to work because they are the only car parks within a reasonable push.
You cannot avoid them. "
Your circumstances are different to mine, so I understand your point. I am lucky enough to be able to avoid them, which I do.
I am a firm believer in voting with my feet. It works for me.
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I got a fine for parking in a hotel car park while i was having dinner in their restaurant - i hadnt entered my reg at the reception desk.
I called the hotel after I received the parking charge notice and explained what had happened and they said they would contact the parking company and get it cancelled off.
Never heard any more. So probably worth nipping into customer service and having a word with them. They’re often really helpful - but in future as some others have highlighted - think of another solution like dropping mum at the shop and then parking up. |
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"If all people took their business away from companies who use these parking firms, they’d think twice.
Increasingly difficult, the vast majority of car parks round us are controlled or monitored by private parking companies.
Yes, this is true. But not all.
Even the hospital car parking is controlled by Parking Eye!! I can't not go to my hospital appointments, eh?
All the out of town retail parks that are accessible and with lots of blue badge parking, are controlled or owned by private parking companies. Councils sold off their car parks or control of them to NCP and the likes. If I don't use an NCP, I can't go to work because they are the only car parks within a reasonable push.
You cannot avoid them.
Your circumstances are different to mine, so I understand your point. I am lucky enough to be able to avoid them, which I do.
I am a firm believer in voting with my feet. It works for me.
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The retail park cinema we went to today? Private car park company.
Then the garden centre (independent)? Private car park company.
Local Co-op? Private car park company.
Even the three free house pubs in the area have car parks monitored by private parking companies. These are old coaching inns that look so twee and olde worlde yet you cannot park without punching your reg into a computer or getting a ticket. |
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As a previous post says it is the driver that it is actually issued to not the owner of the vehicle.
I got one a few weeks back but all the details they had were the make of the car and reg. No colour no model etc. And the picture just showed the number plate was a black and white picture and didn't show the driver.
There is a template on line which you can use.
Mine got cancelled within a couple of days of sending them the letter.
I was ready for a fight with them and the DVA because with living in Northern Ireland I was going to argue data protection because the DVA gave out the owners details not knowing if it was a security risk. |
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Gotta love forum advice! 
First things first, all parking companies care about is money, quick, easy money; nothing else!
You can debate with them all you like but ultimately it comes down to time and money!
If you don’t have the time then pay the fine, they simply won’t leave you alone and if you ignore it then it’s highly likely to become an enforceable debt via the county court, at that point it becomes “real money” which the parking company will enforce via bailiffs (if they choose) or sell this debt on and the new debt owner will enforce it to make their money.
You can try appealing and muddying the waters with a sad story, try your luck and see what happens; if not, then …..
If you do have the time and want the “sport”, simply ignore all requests for payment, this may go on for months or even years, however (and this is key), keep watching for the solicitors letter that may (or may not) land at some point in the often distant future. This is them gearing up for court and enforceable debt via a CCJ.
Ignore the lawyers letters and watch out for a county court summons, often on blue paper (not always) and in England typically from Northampton County Court (but not always); either way, it’ll have a county court warrant/stamp on the first page and the envelope often has a county court return address.
Do not ignore this letter!! If you do then you’re getting a CCJ, automatically and the parking firm have won; big time.
Instead, respond to this summons, fill in the form and tell the court you’re contesting the summons; you’ll get an immediate “stay” acknowledgment from the court and the summons is returned to the parking firm/solicitor for processing.
At this point they have a choice, spend their money on the chance they’ll win if you turn up and also obtain costs; or write it off!!
In almost every circumstance they’ll write it off at that point and this is the end!
I know for absolute fact this is the process, if I told you how I know I’d have to kill you 
But seriously folks, it’s about time and money, these cowboys assume you have the money and don’t have the time; the vast majority pay up hence it’s such lucrative business; but don’t ignore, typically it won’t go away and may cost a lot more than the £100 or whatever they wanted in the first place. |
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google it.
i was told only a policeman or traffic warden can issue a parking notice/fine
Apparently there not allowed to call it a penalty notice !
i was clamped once in a similar situation , i was within my rights to cut the padlock off the clamp so i did.
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"google it.
i was told only a policeman or traffic warden can issue a parking notice/fine
Apparently there not allowed to call it a penalty notice !
i was clamped once in a similar situation , i was within my rights to cut the padlock off the clamp so i did.
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I think you may have misread the OP’s and subsequent points. This isn’t about clamping which is a totally different area of civil law. |
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