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Reports that a baby abandoned in London by a mother and found wrapped in blankets in a shopping bag has two siblings who were both abandoned, years apart, in similar fashion, in the same part of London, where Sadia Khan is the Mayor.
Police have linked them all by DNA testing however they do not know who the mother is. It is likely that Mums DNA is not on the police database which means that mum has either not committed a crime or never been caught. To lose one baby in this way be be misfortune but to lose three looks like carelessness. What is going on here? It's all over the news |
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These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this. |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this. "
Also this!! |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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The parents didn't lose these babies, they abandoned them. And those children will have that impact them for the rest of their lives.
Whatever is behind this decision I am sure it's a very sad and difficult situation that has nothing to do with any political figures..... although the cuts to mental health support, loss of sure start centres doesn't help and that's central government funding issue.
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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Is baby alive?
If baby is wrapped in blankets I'd say mum was trying to keep baby alive long enough for someone to find and rescue it 
If this is the 3rd time I'd say something is very wrong, once is very wrong but 3 times 
Mum needs to be found, to make sure shes ok, what the circumstances are, mental health check and how to prevent a 4th time.
Without context nobody should be playing judge jury & executioner
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My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
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The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived. |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived."
I know. But if she's in sex work of some kind, then I doubt very much any man making use of such services will care. Blunt, but that's what I think.
I am making assumptions, but it's my instinct that she's in a coercive situation where she is not making decisions herself. |
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Sadiq Khan can't control every decision of every individual. This could have happened in any city regardless of who the mayor is. Policies can't stop every bad action by every individual.
I notice that you specifically singled out Khan. Why did you do that instead of point out this happened under a Conservative government? |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived.
I know. But if she's in sex work of some kind, then I doubt very much any man making use of such services will care. Blunt, but that's what I think.
I am making assumptions, but it's my instinct that she's in a coercive situation where she is not making decisions herself. "
The three children are full siblings, so I think the father is very much involved. My first thought was an abusive relationship too. |
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I watched a series with Davina McCall about foundlings, it was so interesting to watch.
I haven't looked for the story but would be nice to know if they will grow up together, lots of foundlings don't get this chance, at least they will have each other x |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived.
I know. But if she's in sex work of some kind, then I doubt very much any man making use of such services will care. Blunt, but that's what I think.
I am making assumptions, but it's my instinct that she's in a coercive situation where she is not making decisions herself. "
I have no idea what her situation is. Davina McCall did a series on foundlings and I was surprised by how many had full siblings who had also been abandoned...by both parents |
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It could be a trafficked girl.
It happens.girls as young as 13 are trafficked from Roma communities in Eastern Europe first to Germany then into the UK to work as sex workers. If they have babies they are taken from them and normally sold. |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this. "
Absolutely this!
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Truly terrifying. Full siblings three times, and no reports of a pregnant woman with no baby afterwards. Mum has clearly had zero access to medical services. Makes cases of captive women come to mind, especially in 'close family' cases. |
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"It could be a trafficked girl.
It happens.girls as young as 13 are trafficked from Roma communities in Eastern Europe first to Germany then into the UK to work as sex workers. If they have babies they are taken from them and normally sold."
This is what it feels like to me, or something very similar. |
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"It could be a trafficked girl.
It happens.girls as young as 13 are trafficked from Roma communities in Eastern Europe first to Germany then into the UK to work as sex workers. If they have babies they are taken from them and normally sold.
This is what it feels like to me, or something very similar. "
That wouldn't make sense though as it's the same father in all 3 cases, years apart. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 25 weeks ago
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I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother? |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?"
Well we don't know the full facts and Tom does not like to jump to any conclusions. Tom does like to flower up his reports with extra information that some, and of course not all, will find interesting. Mr Khan is of course the Crime Commissioner for London and despite his re-election is seeing crime spiral and motorists punished. A labour man too, we understand. |
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It annoys me immensely that the discussion focuses around the mother being the one abandoning the babies. The most recent one was estimated to be about ONE HOUR OLD at the time of being left according to the articles. I doubt very much that this poor woman (or maybe even girl, ugh) was having a little stroll around immediately post-birth. If assumptions are going to be made (as that's what we're all doing) then surely it is more likely, given the timing, that someone other than the mother is the one leaving the babies somewhere. |
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But let's not be distracted here. At least three babies have been found but we don't know if others have been abandoned, sold or even killed. Some interesting theories though and we don't know if she acted alone or if a man was involved. Also, we don't know if there is a man involved, what relationship he has with this lady. |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?"
In the BBC report there is no mention of Sadiq Khan, rather they say baby Elsa was found in January in Newham, and the two other babies that were found were baby Harry in Plaistow (2017) and baby Roman also in Newham (2019). It is hardly appropriate to mention Sadiq Khan in connection with three children from the same parents being abandoned in London, just cos he is the Mayor of the city. |
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"She conceived the babies with her lesbian partner Tom  "
Is Tom a Lesbian - now I need to know when he transitioned and is he one of these people that Kemi Badenoch was talking about yesterday |
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By *nnCeeWoman 25 weeks ago
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I've just read the report on the BBC News website.
How very sad that these poor babies are being abandoned in such a way. Poor little mites.
It says the first two, from 2017 and 2019, have been adopted. Let's hope that baby Elsa is also taken by a loving family.
I also hope that the mother is OK. |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?
In the BBC report there is no mention of Sadiq Khan, rather they say baby Elsa was found in January in Newham, and the two other babies that were found were baby Harry in Plaistow (2017) and baby Roman also in Newham (2019). It is hardly appropriate to mention Sadiq Khan in connection with three children from the same parents being abandoned in London, just cos he is the Mayor of the city. "
Could there have been another baby around 2021 - 2022 and if so what has happened to that baby.... |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?
In the BBC report there is no mention of Sadiq Khan, rather they say baby Elsa was found in January in Newham, and the two other babies that were found were baby Harry in Plaistow (2017) and baby Roman also in Newham (2019). It is hardly appropriate to mention Sadiq Khan in connection with three children from the same parents being abandoned in London, just cos he is the Mayor of the city.
Could there have been another baby around 2021 - 2022 and if so what has happened to that baby...."
Good point, well made |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?
In the BBC report there is no mention of Sadiq Khan, rather they say baby Elsa was found in January in Newham, and the two other babies that were found were baby Harry in Plaistow (2017) and baby Roman also in Newham (2019). It is hardly appropriate to mention Sadiq Khan in connection with three children from the same parents being abandoned in London, just cos he is the Mayor of the city.
Could there have been another baby around 2021 - 2022 and if so what has happened to that baby...."
Let's very much hope not Tom! And if there was then it's unlikely they'd have been a live abandoned baby, as all 3 children were placed around the same area, and were clearly out in the open to be found. Although there could be loads more information going on behind the scenes that cannot be released. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 25 weeks ago
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?
Well we don't know the full facts and Tom does not like to jump to any conclusions. Tom does like to flower up his reports with extra information that some, and of course not all, will find interesting. Mr Khan is of course the Crime Commissioner for London and despite his re-election is seeing crime spiral and motorists punished. A labour man too, we understand. "
The last time you "flowered" your report up you connected an innocent person to a convicted peadophile.
If you want to discuss two different things then maybe start two different threads. |
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"I am still trying to figure out what it has to do with Sadiq Khan...he seems to get blamed for anything and everything...is this going to be the same? If so what connection does he had with the mother?
Well we don't know the full facts and Tom does not like to jump to any conclusions. Tom does like to flower up his reports with extra information that some, and of course not all, will find interesting. Mr Khan is of course the Crime Commissioner for London and despite his re-election is seeing crime spiral and motorists punished. A labour man too, we understand.
The last time you "flowered" your report up you connected an innocent person to a convicted peadophile.
If you want to discuss two different things then maybe start two different threads. "
Tom will be more careful Milady. His apologies |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
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This is where my thoughts went too |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this. "
Did the father know he'd gotten someone pregnant and leave? Or was he unaware he'd fathered a child.
I know people who were never told they'd gotten the lady pregnant is all, the two situations are very different! |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived.
I know. But if she's in sex work of some kind, then I doubt very much any man making use of such services will care. Blunt, but that's what I think.
I am making assumptions, but it's my instinct that she's in a coercive situation where she is not making decisions herself. "
I agree there are many plausible situations, she could be being abused or a victim of sex trafficking. It would seem to me that she has a reason to be afraid of being identified. For someone to abandon a baby in this way, it suggests that reason is quite a substantial one. |
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It's very sad but at the same time quite alarming.. With all the access to birth control it makes you wonder and worry if theirs something more sinister going on.
I don't believe for one minute she was pregnant 3 times (that we know of) gave birth 3 times without medical assistance and abandoned 3 babies and the father of the babies was unaware.
I hope they find the mother and get her whatever help she needs.. |
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Maybe it's the mother's way of protecting these babies...
I'm not saying this is the right way to go about it, but it's possible she has little or no access to contraception and I'm guessing the same with regards to antenatal care and knows what her home situation is. Homelessness or DV could be at the root of this...
It's a sad situation |
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"It could be a trafficked girl.
It happens.girls as young as 13 are trafficked from Roma communities in Eastern Europe first to Germany then into the UK to work as sex workers. If they have babies they are taken from them and normally sold.
This is what it feels like to me, or something very similar.
That wouldn't make sense though as it's the same father in all 3 cases, years apart. "
The father could be her father. Her pimp. Her trafficker. It could easily be a coercive situation.
Someone above has made the very good point that if at least one baby was abandoned within an hour or so of birth, it's highly unlikely the mother hot footed it to the park without assistance (from the father of the babies, who knows?)
It sounds like a very unpleasant situation for the mother as well as for the babies and I hope the mother can be identified and provided with the support she almost certainly desperately needs. |
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By *irthandgirthMan 25 weeks ago
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this. "
That's an assumption the father knew the mother was pregnant. Therr is also a lack of info in the OP. Were the children only related on the matrilinear side or both? |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this.
That's an assumption the father knew the mother was pregnant. Therr is also a lack of info in the OP. Were the children only related on the matrilinear side or both? "
The news articles state they are full siblings. Also when 'Baby Elsa' was abandoned it was stated that the mother was sighted leaving the park half an hour before the baby was found. There may have been CCTV footage to link that together, although it may not have even been the birth mum. It could have been another woman linked to the situation. There's obviously not many answers, certainly not that the police have anyway. It's interesting that it's now been released to the press that all 3 children are siblings though. As presumably this was information that was probably linked between the 1st two babies back in 2019. Very sad case whatever the situation may turn out to be. |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this.
That's an assumption the father knew the mother was pregnant. Therr is also a lack of info in the OP. Were the children only related on the matrilinear side or both? "
This baby and her two siblings have the day father and mother |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this.
Did the father know he'd gotten someone pregnant and leave? Or was he unaware he'd fathered a child.
I know people who were never told they'd gotten the lady pregnant is all, the two situations are very different! "
Who knows but she's had three children with him. It seems highly unlikely that he's unaware |
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"It annoys me immensely that the discussion focuses around the mother being the one abandoning the babies. The most recent one was estimated to be about ONE HOUR OLD at the time of being left according to the articles. I doubt very much that this poor woman (or maybe even girl, ugh) was having a little stroll around immediately post-birth. If assumptions are going to be made (as that's what we're all doing) then surely it is more likely, given the timing, that someone other than the mother is the one leaving the babies somewhere."
was looking for this comment. Exactly this. There are clearly other things going on. And I don’t understand why the man is being given such a pass. But I’m not shocked that he is.
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Contemplate for a minute the situation. Has the mother been complicit in this? What situation is she in? Does she need medical attention?
If the father is the same in all 3 cases then that seems “shady”.
Whilst I cannot begin to understand the situation that has led to this, all three children are “safe”. The victim here may be the very person being vilified. |
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By *irthandgirthMan 25 weeks ago
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this.
That's an assumption the father knew the mother was pregnant. Therr is also a lack of info in the OP. Were the children only related on the matrilinear side or both?
The news articles state they are full siblings. Also when 'Baby Elsa' was abandoned it was stated that the mother was sighted leaving the park half an hour before the baby was found. There may have been CCTV footage to link that together, although it may not have even been the birth mum. It could have been another woman linked to the situation. There's obviously not many answers, certainly not that the police have anyway. It's interesting that it's now been released to the press that all 3 children are siblings though. As presumably this was information that was probably linked between the 1st two babies back in 2019. Very sad case whatever the situation may turn out to be. "
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
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Exactly this, it feels coercive - forced sex work or some poor woman kept in a secret basement. It’s just awful |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say "
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. |
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"My first instinct is that the mother is in some kind of coercive relationship. She might be in forced sex work and becomes pregnant and is forced to abandon the babies. It is exceptionally unlikely that she is abandoning babies because she's heartless and thinks it's the right thing to do. Yes, there are two parents but if my instinct is right, it's highly doubtful that the male parent is involved.
It's a horrible and very sad situation and should not be made light of in silly internet posts.
The male parent/s were involved at the time they made the decision to have unprotected sex. There can't be many adults unaware that there's a possibility that would lead to a child being conceived.
I know. But if she's in sex work of some kind, then I doubt very much any man making use of such services will care. Blunt, but that's what I think.
I am making assumptions, but it's my instinct that she's in a coercive situation where she is not making decisions herself. "
Same father also. |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye."
on your high horse again are you? |
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"These babies have been abandoned by both parents, not just their mother, let's get that clear.
I hope all three children are ok.
As to their parents I don't know what's caused them to leave their babies like this.
Did the father know he'd gotten someone pregnant and leave? Or was he unaware he'd fathered a child.
I know people who were never told they'd gotten the lady pregnant is all, the two situations are very different! "
We know the same man had sex with the mother at least three times since approximately 2016/17 |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you? "
Again?
At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts! |
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Terribly sad I hope all of the babies can grow up within happy, loving families and eventually find eachother. I’m sure the circumstances of them being abandoned are very complex but hope the parents are found and the mother gets the support she needs to ensure it doesn’t happen again. |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you?
Again?
At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts!"
yeah high horse every thread you post or contribute to you try & belittle people I’m not the only one that thinks this to |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you?
Again?
At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts! yeah high horse every thread you post or contribute to you try & belittle people I’m not the only one that thinks this to "
also dimming someone else’s light doesn’t make yours shine any brighter it just shows the kind of person you really are |
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"Reports that a baby abandoned in London by a mother and found wrapped in blankets in a shopping bag has two siblings who were both abandoned, years apart, in similar fashion, in the same part of London, where Sadia Khan is the Mayor.
Police have linked them all by DNA testing however they do not know who the mother is. It is likely that Mums DNA is not on the police database which means that mum has either not committed a crime or never been caught. To lose one baby in this way be be misfortune but to lose three looks like carelessness. What is going on here? It's all over the news"
Sadia? |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye."
Very true.
Jumping to ill-informed judgments without knowing any of the facts doesn’t feel like the best route to go down |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you?
Again?
At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts! yeah high horse every thread you post or contribute to you try & belittle people I’m not the only one that thinks this to "
I can’t see who the poster has attempted to belittle. I just see fair comment suggesting that people not jump to conclusions about a very sad situation without knowing the basic facts |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you?
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At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts!
yeah high horse every thread you post or contribute to you try & belittle people I’m not the only one that thinks this to "
Really? Good job your opinion doesn't matter to me then  . And others can speak for themselves. |
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"She needs to get herself sterilized the heartless bitch it’s all I got to say
How do you know her actions haven't saved their lives?
How do you know that her culture/religion denies contraception?
It's an awful case where there's more to it than meets the eye. on your high horse again are you?
Again?
At least I'm consistent with not liking judgemental posts! yeah high horse every thread you post or contribute to you try & belittle people I’m not the only one that thinks this to also dimming someone else’s light doesn’t make yours shine any brighter it just shows the kind of person you really are "
And when in the history of asking questions can it be deemed as belittling? You could just easily have stated that you hadn't considered those points. |
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"Here's a jumping to conclusions idea.
What if, both parents deliberately had the babies, registered them, claimed the child benefit/child tax credits, then abandoned them but kept the money.
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Is that what happened? |
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"Here's a jumping to conclusions idea.
What if, both parents deliberately had the babies, registered them, claimed the child benefit/child tax credits, then abandoned them but kept the money.
Is that what happened? "
No. Jumping to conclusions means I have absolutely no idea what happened and I'm making it up. |
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I hope the babies get tge opportunities to know each other and that they all find kind loving families to nurture them.
The parents, i hope the female who gave birth is well,i cannot imagine, potentially doing it all alone with no support. And 3 times.
I cant see why the press felt it necessary to press the court to make this public, its not the 1st case of abandoned siblings,the reporter wanting a pat on the back?
I have no judgement on parents, we gave no information to be able to judge. Walk a mile in my shoes x
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"Here's a jumping to conclusions idea.
What if, both parents deliberately had the babies, registered them, claimed the child benefit/child tax credits, then abandoned them but kept the money.
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I mean, it's possible, but seems like a right old faff and putting one's body through such trauma, when other forms of fraud are much easier and safer. Child benefit isn't a lot and isn't it capped now anyway? They wouldn't have birth certificates to prove the babies existed either, considering they were abandoned within hours of birth and it usually takes several days or weeks to get an appointment at the registry office, where the mother has to attend in person to register the birth, or it can be done in a hospital registry office, where concealing a birth is essentially impossible.
I'm going to say that's low on the plausibility list, to be honest. |
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"There lucky foxes didnt see the babies like ivar the boneless baby otherwise mummy will be doing doing life terms "
I suspect she already is, just in some man’s house rather than in a formal jail |
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