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I really don't mean to ruffle any feathers with this one and I get it's totally dependent on your individual views but I just personally wanted to hear others opinions?
Would you consider the act of swinging or behaviour such as having lots of partners or gay or group sex sinful?
I mean as far as I am aware it's been happening for all of human history, we have always wanted to explore experiment and have fun? The Romans had huge orgies?
I mean we are all here playing so we must justify it somehow I just sometimes feel is this wrong? I get thats my personal thing to query but I wanted to see if it was mirrored by any others? I crave and want group fun bisexual fun orgies etc I just sometimes feel guilty for wanting it? |
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Sin is a religious term to denote doing something against the instructions of a God. I don't believe in a God, therefore I don't believe there is any such thing as sin because I don't believe there is a God there to be angry with us. |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,  |
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …, "
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The whole concept of sin is bollocks. Never feel guilty for living your life, providing all involved are consenting and no one is harmed
The sun's going to engulf the earth anyway, might as well enjoy ourselves for a bit |
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,
Damnit Woody thanks for the earworm "
I’ve decided to answer threads in song from now on  |
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,
Damnit Woody thanks for the earworm
I’ve decided to answer threads in song from now on "
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"If you were guilty you wouldn't have signed up to this site, let alone ponder the question.
No. It's not a sin."
This guys a liar^
I was brought up a Catholic boy and this place is definitely a sin.
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"Sin is a religious term to denote doing something against the instructions of a God. I don't believe in a God, therefore I don't believe there is any such thing as sin because I don't believe there is a God there to be angry with us. "
Agreed |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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For years I have felt guilt for my sexual desires and needs and wants (and, as such, I haven’t had sex for nearly 5 years, but that’s a story for another day.) I sexually repressed myself to the point where the guilt was eating me up; I couldn’t do anything without that little voice at the back of my head telling me I’m a terrible and horrible person and that I’m going to hell.
My depression has ceased recently and I’ve come to realise that mental health played a big part in my reasoning of why I felt so terrible. I was depressed which made my mind believe I was a terrible person which in turn made me believe I was a terrible person for experiencing normal feelings (happiness, sexual desires, sadness, etc.)
My sexuality has also played a big part in it. Coming to terms with my sexuality has helped massively.
But the biggest thing of all that’s helped is my body confidence. I think it’s the main thing people struggle with.
This is a long winded way of saying: I understand what you mean, and I have been there, but there’s nothing wrong with this. There’s nothing wrong with just wanting sex, a simple hook up or something more committed. There’s nothing wrong with having gay sex or bisexual sex when you aren’t either of those things because truly, labels are made up, and no one’s going round with a clipboard telling you off.
Just embrace it friend |
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P.S: I also recently became religious, and while I believe in God etc, even the most devout Christian’s have sex. If that makes you feel any less alone lol |
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"For years I have felt guilt for my sexual desires and needs and wants (and, as such, I haven’t had sex for nearly 5 years, but that’s a story for another day.) I sexually repressed myself to the point where the guilt was eating me up; I couldn’t do anything without that little voice at the back of my head telling me I’m a terrible and horrible person and that I’m going to hell.
My depression has ceased recently and I’ve come to realise that mental health played a big part in my reasoning of why I felt so terrible. I was depressed which made my mind believe I was a terrible person which in turn made me believe I was a terrible person for experiencing normal feelings (happiness, sexual desires, sadness, etc.)
My sexuality has also played a big part in it. Coming to terms with my sexuality has helped massively.
But the biggest thing of all that’s helped is my body confidence. I think it’s the main thing people struggle with.
This is a long winded way of saying: I understand what you mean, and I have been there, but there’s nothing wrong with this. There’s nothing wrong with just wanting sex, a simple hook up or something more committed. There’s nothing wrong with having gay sex or bisexual sex when you aren’t either of those things because truly, labels are made up, and no one’s going round with a clipboard telling you off.
Just embrace it friend "
This is a lovely message and actually addressed some of my worries and feelings so thank you!
I guess you are right we made up these labels and sexual acts and enjoyment is all pretty damn natural! I don't feel overly religious but I think we had to come from somewhere and I see how some religions treat people who sin? Not in our country but it's very real to be killed for such a thing elsewhere so I value other swinger's opinions |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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"If there is no God then there's no sin.
Exactly, sinning is a Christian construct....So if you're not a god botherer then you don't sin."
Thank god for that! |
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"Sin is a religious term to denote doing something against the instructions of a God. I don't believe in a God, therefore I don't believe there is any such thing as sin because I don't believe there is a God there to be angry with us. "
This! |
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The heteronormatove ideal of loving only one person forever and building a family is something most of us were raised with.
Some people continue to have issues accepting that any other way can be right.
But it's so fucking right for me  |
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Two consenting adults sharing pleasure with other consenting adults, nobody is getting hurt or harmed everyone is having fun and enjoying the lifestyle, it couldn't be further away from a sin IMHO. |
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By *hoirCouple 25 weeks ago
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A sin is something defined by God. If you believe in something as such and have read the bible then yes, swinging is a sin by it's many aspects; it's hedonistic, adulterous (adultery doesn't have to be unknown or unwanted to be adultery), lustful - take your pick.
Do I care? Not one jot
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"I really don't mean to ruffle any feathers with this one and I get it's totally dependent on your individual views but I just personally wanted to hear others opinions?
Would you consider the act of swinging or behaviour such as having lots of partners or gay or group sex sinful?
I mean as far as I am aware it's been happening for all of human history, we have always wanted to explore experiment and have fun? The Romans had huge orgies?
I mean we are all here playing so we must justify it somehow I just sometimes feel is this wrong? I get thats my personal thing to query but I wanted to see if it was mirrored by any others? I crave and want group fun bisexual fun orgies etc I just sometimes feel guilty for wanting it? "
Religion is bullshit we're just glorified "intelligent" cells. Go fuck who you like and how you like (legally) |
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …, "
It's a, it's a, it's a........... |
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,
It's a, it's a, it's a........... "
That's it you and Woody need to do karaoke together at the MLS and sing this |
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"For years I have felt guilt for my sexual desires and needs and wants (and, as such, I haven’t had sex for nearly 5 years, but that’s a story for another day.) I sexually repressed myself to the point where the guilt was eating me up; I couldn’t do anything without that little voice at the back of my head telling me I’m a terrible and horrible person and that I’m going to hell.
My depression has ceased recently and I’ve come to realise that mental health played a big part in my reasoning of why I felt so terrible. I was depressed which made my mind believe I was a terrible person which in turn made me believe I was a terrible person for experiencing normal feelings (happiness, sexual desires, sadness, etc.)
My sexuality has also played a big part in it. Coming to terms with my sexuality has helped massively.
But the biggest thing of all that’s helped is my body confidence. I think it’s the main thing people struggle with.
This is a long winded way of saying: I understand what you mean, and I have been there, but there’s nothing wrong with this. There’s nothing wrong with just wanting sex, a simple hook up or something more committed. There’s nothing wrong with having gay sex or bisexual sex when you aren’t either of those things because truly, labels are made up, and no one’s going round with a clipboard telling you off.
Just embrace it friend
This is a lovely message and actually addressed some of my worries and feelings so thank you!
I guess you are right we made up these labels and sexual acts and enjoyment is all pretty damn natural! I don't feel overly religious but I think we had to come from somewhere and I see how some religions treat people who sin? Not in our country but it's very real to be killed for such a thing elsewhere so I value other swinger's opinions"
Religious guilt can be brutal, but you aren’t your religion; you’re a human being first. I’m not a diehard Christian (Catholic), so I haven’t repented for my former sins, but does God not want us to feel pleasure? If sex was a sin, Christian’s wouldn’t wait until marriage: they just wouldn’t have it at all, y’know?
The way I see it, when it’s my time, God isn’t going to care about who I spent the night with or who I let inside me; God cares about us as followers. |
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I imagine it depends on what code or religion you subscribe to. Christianity, almost certainly. Other major religions, also reasonably likely.
I don't subscribe to any particular religion, I think about what harm my actions might cause. I don't think swinging harms anyone.
(For the record, the Romans were massive prudes about sex in practice) |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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It's about time we left the middle ages in the middle ages.
We've moved on from this bollox, or should have by now.
The imaginary sky faires are not in control.
Only humans are in control |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 25 weeks ago
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It is!
All you swingers! Sodom and Gomorrah! (I quite like to gomorrah what they had in Sodom)
You're all going to the warm place! It's going to be a hell of a party with all those swingers down there!
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By *ambertMan 25 weeks ago
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We're forever gonna have a fucking reason to sin
Let me leave my soul to burn and I'll be breathing it in
I'm addicted to the feeling
Getting higher than the ceiling
And we're never gonna want this fucking feeling to end
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,
Damnit Woody thanks for the earworm "
Snap |
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"I really don't mean to ruffle any feathers with this one and I get it's totally dependent on your individual views but I just personally wanted to hear others opinions?
Would you consider the act of swinging or behaviour such as having lots of partners or gay or group sex sinful?
I mean as far as I am aware it's been happening for all of human history, we have always wanted to explore experiment and have fun? The Romans had huge orgies?
I mean we are all here playing so we must justify it somehow I just sometimes feel is this wrong? I get thats my personal thing to query but I wanted to see if it was mirrored by any others? I crave and want group fun bisexual fun orgies etc I just sometimes feel guilty for wanting it? "
It’s your own issue to come to terms with OP and I’d say there’s sometimes no need to get that deep, it pretty much is what it is. I’d leave the deeper thoughts at the door in terms of fab. |
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"It's an absolutely ginormous sin. I'm descending to hell anyways.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun..."
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BS. You're just saying that because you've got "swing" in your name and you can't change it.  |
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"It's an absolutely ginormous sin. I'm descending to hell anyways.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun...
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BS. You're just saying that because you've got "swing" in your name and you can't change it. "
Are you blaspheming against Billy Joel? |
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I assume that most organised religions have been developed and perpetuated as an easy way to control people. Having an all seeing God was CCTV before technology existed. Having people police themselves, feeling guilty etc, was free and didn't rely on paying snitches. We did their own workz for free and harmed our wellbeing.  . It was effective.
But it relied on consent. I don't. Have no imposed or assumed guilt or shame for adult consensual sex |
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"Sex outside of marriage, children out of wedlock, living together unmarried... I'm already heading to the hot place so why not add swinging into the mix as well
Tinder"
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She also works for VisionExpress™ ... ^ which is bad enough. |
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"It's an absolutely ginormous sin. I'm descending to hell anyways.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun...
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BS. You're just saying that because you've got "swing" in your name and you can't change it.
Are you blaspheming against Billy Joel?"
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He's before my time.  |
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From the OED
sin
noun
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
"a sin in the eyes of God"
So I’d say if you are religious yes as it’s a religious term. If you’re not religious (I’m not) then no.
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"It's natural
It's chemical (let's do it)
It's logical
Habitual (can we do it?)
It's sensual
But most of all
Sex is something that we should do
Sex is something for me and you" |
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"Sex outside of marriage, children out of wedlock, living together unmarried... I'm already heading to the hot place so why not add swinging into the mix as well
Tinder
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She also works for VisionExpress™ ... ^ which is bad enough."
You wash your mouth out! I'm bad but not that bad
Tinder |
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Defining sin can be very complicated (though sinning is quite easy) and it differs from one religion to another and from one culture to another. Language also complicates things further, so for instance there are different meanings of the word sin in Hebrew and Greek (sorry just dealing with Judeo-Christian concepts).
For instance it could just be missing the mark (so maybe those who spaff on someone's tits rather than their fooff are sinning), could also be missing the goal (so most of the season CPFC fell into that category - and on Fab many men will, cos we fail to meet our goal of avoiding a dry May [or year or decade]).
Another is to fail - bugger, again that may be many of the men.
A further meaning is to go astray - oops, that is those who many in the forum (in totally non-judgemental ways) refer to as 'cheaters'.
Probably enough or I will get banned, but like the Eskimos have lots of words for snow, in Hebrew and Greek there are quite a few different words for sin.
It's the guilt that gets you though (unless of course you can get away with a few Hail Marys)  |
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"Defining sin can be very complicated (though sinning is quite easy) and it differs from one religion to another and from one culture to another. Language also complicates things further, so for instance there are different meanings of the word sin in Hebrew and Greek (sorry just dealing with Judeo-Christian concepts).
For instance it could just be missing the mark (so maybe those who spaff on someone's tits rather than their fooff are sinning), could also be missing the goal (so most of the season CPFC fell into that category - and on Fab many men will, cos we fail to meet our goal of avoiding a dry May [or year or decade]).
Another is to fail - bugger, again that may be many of the men.
A further meaning is to go astray - oops, that is those who many in the forum (in totally non-judgemental ways) refer to as 'cheaters'.
Probably enough or I will get banned, but like the Eskimos have lots of words for snow, in Hebrew and Greek there are quite a few different words for sin.
It's the guilt that gets you though (unless of course you can get away with a few Hail Marys) "
Hallelujah!!!! |
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Hallelujah!!!!
Get that tambourine out sister
If you meant rabbit I’m in.. I mean it’s it … I mean praise the lord "
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LOL
So the definition of Sin
An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law:
"a sin in the eyes of God"
Personally I believe in the laws of Physics. I only believe in what I can determine using mathematical theories and testing them. Everything in religion is un-proven. But, if I was to choose a religion, I would choose Catholic lol.
Saying that, I also believe in some of the 10 Commandments, i.e Thy shall not kill etc. As a kid I played the dreaded Glassy Glassy as we knew it back then better known as the Ouija Board. Very cynically minded here lol but those games made me believe there is something strange out there lol.
But back to the subject. If there is a god and he created us, the mere fact that the human race could not have evolved without sex, then it has to be normal for us to have sex in what ever way our bodies desire.
So No its not a Sin |
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Yes, its a sin as defined by any one of the Abrahamic religions.
For those of us who don’t believe in God, it is inconsequential.
The issues worth debating are around the morality of swinging in modern UK where the norm is only to have one sexual partner, typically linked and part of a monogamous relationship.
The other topic is those suggesting that it is OK to sleep with multiple partners, provided you primary partner consents …. If the other person is unaware, then this becomes defined as immoral.
The litmus test is, are you happy for your lifestyle to be known by the PTA?
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"When I look back upon my life It's always with a sense of shame.
I've always been the one to blame for everything I long to do.
No matter when or where or who …,
It's a, it's a, it's a...........
That's it you and Woody need to do karaoke together at the MLS and sing this "
Buy more raffle tickets or we sing!!!!! |
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"I really don't mean to ruffle any feathers with this one and I get it's totally dependent on your individual views but I just personally wanted to hear others opinions?
Would you consider the act of swinging or behaviour such as having lots of partners or gay or group sex sinful?
I mean as far as I am aware it's been happening for all of human history, we have always wanted to explore experiment and have fun? The Romans had huge orgies?
I mean we are all here playing so we must justify it somehow I just sometimes feel is this wrong? I get thats my personal thing to query but I wanted to see if it was mirrored by any others? I crave and want group fun bisexual fun orgies etc I just sometimes feel guilty for wanting it? "
Interesting thread. Like every action. There are consequences. For yourself and for others. I'm not sure it's sinful, I'm not sure it's wholesome and healthy for mind, body and soul. |
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You sound very conflicted OP, so I would tread carefully. If you feel it may be wrong, it might suit heavily on you. I would think hard as to why you might think it's a sin. Can you challenge that in your mind until it suits comfortably with you? It may be that you hadn't such ingrained patterns of thinking, probably from religion, that this lifestyle isn't for you. Sin is an abstract construct entirely invented by people in the way distant past. Before contraceptives and antibiotics, this lifestyle probably wouldn't have been a good idea as disease would have been inevitable. But now, with condoms and regular testing, you can keep yourself pretty safe. So it us up to you and your conscience what you think of the scene. |
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Well in the 10 commandments is Thou shalt not cover thy neighbours ox
Which a lot of people seem to get wrong and say though shalt not cover your neighbours wife
Based on the latter then yes it's a sin
Although never seen anything about though shalt not have an orgy so maybe that's ok? |
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"I spent waaaay too many years worrying about what other people think.
You have one life.
Embrace the freedom of being your true self and enjoy the opportunities that come from that.
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Sin.
Back in the day was a word used as a way to control the masses. But ask your selves how did each and every one of us get here and what were your parents actually doing when your mum got pregnant, unless you found the video hidden away and your parents, you may never know? Im pretty sure the only part of of religion that was involved was the words "oh god!"
So sin and religion or sex?
Opens golden envelope...
And the winner is...
SEX.
If you want to swing go for it we say. And don't let anybody tell you it's wrong, and most wouldn't really know what their own parents got upto in the bedroom or anywhere else that took their fancy. |
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Sin doesn’t really exist, even if god we’re to exist.
The notion that an all powerful being has a list of stuff it doesn’t want you to do, yet doesn’t actually use its powers to prevent you from doing any of those things is counter intuitive.
The idea of sin and the things that one might class as sins, just like god, was invented by man to control other people.
Morals are similar. Different people have different ideas of what’s morally right and wrong. And some people would like to impose their morality on others, but you’ll be a lot happier living by your own. |
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"Not swinging related but when in Salt Lake City I noticed Grinder was huge! My travelling chum had a great time there 
Evidently you can be a Mormon and have lots of indiscriminate sex."
Not according to the actual rules of the Mormon church |
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Short answer: nope. I don't.
I mean if you look at how we all started if you believe all that, it was all a bit "family" wasn't it, one could say that's more sinful than most things, I was gonna say if it feels good, then just go with it and not stress about it but stealing cars might make you feel good and stealing us a sin, so what do I know lol. |
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If you think about it, everything is technically sinfull.
Just a few examples:
Anger
Burying our Talents: Not making wise use of what God gave us
Complaining
D*unkness
And so on.
Those I mention above are probably the most common.
Religions normally use the word "sin" so it applies to others and doesnt apply to the relgion itself or the person representing that religion such as priests.
As an example:
Murder is a major sin however back in the time of the crusades alot of people were killed in the name of god and the church but wasnt considered a sin which does not really make sense.
Personally I wouldnt get too nervous about sinning as we all do iton a daily basis.
I would be more concerned about being a good person and bettering myself, you can be a good person with or without a religion.
My advise to you, just do what makes you happy.
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