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Do you think the world will get better or worse in the next decade?
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"The only way the world will get better is if 99% of the population is wiped out and we start again. " This.... | |||
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"The same just the challenges will change. " Just got to say your body is insanely good | |||
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"The only way the world will get better is if 99% of the population is wiped out and we start again. " Yup. | |||
"I think there'll be little bits of better, but on an ever downward slope. Assuming we don't do WW3 beforehand, I'm expecting "peak fucking awful" some time around 2060-2080, a lot of climate stuff "coming home to roost". The fantastic news is....if we get around the whole WW3 thing, and get sensible (and highly creative) around the climate stuff...there's a strong possibility that the 21st Century will be a step into a whole new mode of ethical being-ness. Neurodiversity at the forefront of a global compassion - aka fully automated queer luxury space psychic communism. I know these things - the aliens and the dead people chat with me about it an awful lot of the time. It'll be a bit better under the coming 10-15 years of Starmer's Labour for most people, but the UK probably doesn't have more than 20-30 years before NI and Scotland go, England will undergo some sort of cultural cerebral haemorrhage in consequence, and after that shitshow - the really good stuff starts. It's not Utopia - that actually means "no place" as well as "good place" - a deliberate pun by its author (Thomas More) around 500 years ago. Yours, fully mad but probably right, Nick xx" no totally wrong sorry i think the ice age will resurface under the next conservative government and that they will bring in maximum 2 children to try and get control of the population, immigration will stop so that each of the over populated coutries will have to bring in sanctions to control their out of control populations and walking will become the new in passtime, pubs will be outlawed and Ibiza will become a no go for Brits oh and the retirement age will be 80 taking into consideration the increasing age of humans, diesel fuel will still be being used in the next century and we will have a pill for orgasms | |||
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"Hopefully not ^ what they’re saying. Hopefully we get rocket boots to zoom about in "Maybe the orgasm pill. Hopefully that’s true | |||
"Hopefully not ^ what they’re saying. Hopefully we get rocket boots to zoom about in
Maybe the orgasm pill. Hopefully that’s true "fact | |||
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"Do you think we'll all either be wiped out by climate change or working in Amazon forced labour camps or are you more hopefull for the worlds prospects?" 95% | |||
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"I’ll tell you one thing for sure. The flying car and rocket pack I was promised by vintage sci-fi are never bloody coming." I want the hover boots. Stat | |||
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"I’ll tell you one thing for sure. The flying car and rocket pack I was promised by vintage sci-fi are never bloody coming." I'd settle for decent local public transport | |||
"I’ll tell you one thing for sure. The flying car and rocket pack I was promised by vintage sci-fi are never bloody coming." I am quite aggrieved about this too. They lied to us. | |||
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"The same just the challenges will change. Just got to say your body is insanely good " Oh  . Thank you | |||
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"Looking at the immigration problem England has In 10 years we will be over run and the country will be like a third world country " I hear Rwanda is the place to go for your ilk so bubye. | |||
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There will be some good things but we're getting closer to depravity and destruction | |||
"The same just the challenges will change. Just got to say your body is insanely good " Isn't it just ! | |||
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"I am glad I will be leaving the world in the next 20 or so years, but worry for my adult kids who will have to try and live in the mess we have made." This is kinda my issue. I'm sure I'll be fine, I'm pretty sure my kid will be fine, I'm semi sure her kids will be fine... Beyond that? I just don't know, and their future possible descendants? It's a worry! | |||
"I am glad I will be leaving the world in the next 20 or so years, but worry for my adult kids who will have to try and live in the mess we have made. This is kinda my issue. I'm sure I'll be fine, I'm pretty sure my kid will be fine, I'm semi sure her kids will be fine... Beyond that? I just don't know, and their future possible descendants? It's a worry! " This !! | |||
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"It'll get better. There'll be pockets of crap, there always is, but the good far outways the bad. People are ingenuous, resourceful, and problem solvers." I'm not that convinced to be honest. I think we all know the damage that we're doing/have done to the planet. But it's rarely down to a few individuals who actively make a difference? I mean even if I chose to litter on a daily basis (obviously I don't), but if I did. It's not going to have that much of a massive impact as companies continuing to mine for resources, or over fishing, plastic waste pollution. Or those many, many other issues that are big businesses essentially fucking up the planet who give no fucks because they'll be long dead before it impacts them on a personal level. All of us popping our recyclable waste in the right bin so our Tesco bag will end up on a bloody landfill in another country anyways (because they often do), makes no difference anyway? If they disbanded making plastic bags/bottles it'd be a start? But they'll not do that because it's convenient, and people want quick consumerism, and can't be arsed to recycle a pop bottle, or if we used glass and couldn't buy a drink in the shop there and then, or god forbid had to drop it somewhere other than the nearest bin (or floor). We're a bunch of lazy twats who live in a world of expectations that things will be done for us. And then bitch that things are looking bleak | |||
"It'll get better. There'll be pockets of crap, there always is, but the good far outways the bad. People are ingenuous, resourceful, and problem solvers. I'm not that convinced to be honest. I think we all know the damage that we're doing/have done to the planet. But it's rarely down to a few individuals who actively make a difference? I mean even if I chose to litter on a daily basis (obviously I don't), but if I did. It's not going to have that much of a massive impact as companies continuing to mine for resources, or over fishing, plastic waste pollution. Or those many, many other issues that are big businesses essentially fucking up the planet who give no fucks because they'll be long dead before it impacts them on a personal level. All of us popping our recyclable waste in the right bin so our Tesco bag will end up on a bloody landfill in another country anyways (because they often do), makes no difference anyway? If they disbanded making plastic bags/bottles it'd be a start? But they'll not do that because it's convenient, and people want quick consumerism, and can't be arsed to recycle a pop bottle, or if we used glass and couldn't buy a drink in the shop there and then, or god forbid had to drop it somewhere other than the nearest bin (or floor). We're a bunch of lazy twats who live in a world of expectations that things will be done for us. And then bitch that things are looking bleak " This is a valid point as “us” as a consumer are forced to buy our goods as they are packaged aren’t we. Even buying products in recyclable packaging doesn’t help as it’s entire bottles etc that are getting washed up on beaches. To answer the OP’s question is it going to get better or worse is difficult to put a finger on and I agree with some of the posts above. It may get worse before it gets better and trust me if war does break out none of us will be concerned about our recycling like we are at the minute as WW3 would be appalling and as a race we can’t seem to stop killing each other let only care about the environment. Not wanting to get too deep on the subject but just a few facts regarding Mother Nature and how she dictates. If human kind was to end tomorrow it would only take 30,000 years before any evidence of our existence was left. A small and frightening amount of time really isn’t it. The estimations of how long we will continue to live for are rather ranging. The lowest estimation is about 250 million years with the upper estimation about 7.8 billion years. I know to some this will seem absolute madness so to put it into a way that everyone can understand as it is hard to comprehend. We have all seen the sunrise and felt the heat hit our faces. The time that takes is about 8 minutes. The sun is 93 million miles away. !!! Mother Nature will win the battle everytime we can only change how we treat one another. Basic but fact x | |||
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"Do you think we'll all either be wiped out by climate change or working in Amazon forced labour camps or are you more hopefull for the worlds prospects?" If you stand back and look at the world as a whole, there is fantastic progress on hunger, poverty, disease etc. . Massive positive changes, and I think these will continue | |||
"The only way the world will get better is if 99% of the population is wiped out and we start again. Agreed Nature (or a laboratory) will come up with something. " | |||
"The thing that's struck me most about this post, is somehow (it's a rhythm, read between the lines thing) all those who probably fall within a neurodivergent/spicy/dyslexia etc banner (often the most insightful, yet saddest and most broken comments)....well...they feel to me like they're "the hope". The beacons of strange light during and after the oncoming storm. That's what struck me most here. The sheer cascade of chaos this century is beyond neurotypical minds (the 07/08 financial crash is a simple example of poor predictive techniques and traditional probability measurements failing spectacularly). Neurospicy however...may be mad enough to grapple with an even madder reality. PS - We're really not overpopulated. There's enough space and resource for 50 billion humans. We are, however, stuck in "scarcity protection chimp-brain" mode, poor understanding of economics, production, and distribution, and we bitch about leaders, but we're too lazy to aim for direct democratic responsibility. Leadership is always tainted with psychosis...if we ask for leaders...we invite psychosis. The more desperate we are for leaders when times are weird/tough, the more psychosis we invite in. Trump, Johnson, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. And I'd suggest "leadership" correlates with neurotypicality, whereas "spiciness" has a lot more wiggle room for new thinking. So....after the shit during this century, we have to "be" differently if we are to "be" at all." Evolution dear chap too many people copulating not enough naturally grown vegetables to go round | |||
"The thing that's struck me most about this post, is somehow (it's a rhythm, read between the lines thing) all those who probably fall within a neurodivergent/spicy/dyslexia etc banner (often the most insightful, yet saddest and most broken comments)....well...they feel to me like they're "the hope". The beacons of strange light during and after the oncoming storm. That's what struck me most here. The sheer cascade of chaos this century is beyond neurotypical minds (the 07/08 financial crash is a simple example of poor predictive techniques and traditional probability measurements failing spectacularly). Neurospicy however...may be mad enough to grapple with an even madder reality. PS - We're really not overpopulated. There's enough space and resource for 50 billion humans. We are, however, stuck in "scarcity protection chimp-brain" mode, poor understanding of economics, production, and distribution, and we bitch about leaders, but we're too lazy to aim for direct democratic responsibility. Leadership is always tainted with psychosis...if we ask for leaders...we invite psychosis. The more desperate we are for leaders when times are weird/tough, the more psychosis we invite in. Trump, Johnson, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. And I'd suggest "leadership" correlates with neurotypicality, whereas "spiciness" has a lot more wiggle room for new thinking. So....after the shit during this century, we have to "be" differently if we are to "be" at all.Evolution dear chap too many people copulating not enough naturally grown vegetables to go round "Oh Fred....you really haven't thought this through. England's population pro-rata'd to global landspace = 50 billion people. Poor land use (meat). Vertical farming = 20 x yield Ice cap meltings = re-irrigation of desert possibilities. Hemp - 3 times the yield of trees, 3 times the C02 absorption, biodegradable plastics from hemp, building materials etc You've jumped to conclusions...without digging the data in the ribs. What do you know about lab grown meat - avoids the ethical issues, gives me my kebabs (I ain't doin' no revolution without my kebabs). You're "thinking" the way we've thought for the last 12,000 years. Tut-tut Fred - could do better Mr LeatherCock   .
Of course, I've only got a postgrad in the topic...so what would I know, eh? | |||
"Without doubt it will be worse. It makes me relieved /glad that I don't have children to worry about " Same. I think things will go to shit before my life is through. | |||
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"This is a serious Q ....... What do you mean by 'the world' And in what way do you mean 'better' It matters " Are you at the shops Granny? | |||
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"This is a serious Q ....... What do you mean by 'the world' And in what way do you mean 'better' It matters " A lot of posters seem to have taken “the world” to mean “England” | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here." No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. | |||
"This is a serious Q ....... What do you mean by 'the world' And in what way do you mean 'better' It matters A lot of posters seem to have taken “the world” to mean “England” " It's the world to many of us or the one that matters. | |||
"There’s only one thing that will destroy this world and that my friend is America, they’ve already convinced the world that you can identify as a lamppost and compete in the Paralympics, because there bulb is broken, even though they’re able bodied. The mr " Eh? | |||
"This is a serious Q ....... What do you mean by 'the world' And in what way do you mean 'better' It matters A lot of posters seem to have taken “the world” to mean “England” It's the world to many of us or the one that matters. " … it’s one tiny part of the world. | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens." So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? | |||
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"This is a serious Q ....... What do you mean by 'the world' And in what way do you mean 'better' It matters Are you at the shops Granny?" No. Why ? | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented?" Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. " What would you refer to it as? | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. " So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing  | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. What would you refer to it as? "A fuck-up. But doesn’t matter what headline-grabbing name you come up with, all that matters is identifying a practical solution … like when we had the hole in the ozone layer. Panicking everyone they the planet is fucked, and that there are no practical global solutions … well, that hasn’t got us very far, has it! | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing "Where did I say “do nothing”? Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere | |||
"So much better the way technology is going we won't have to walk soon "I walk more than ever these days. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere "OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet. Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation. | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation. "No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted. Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t. I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism "If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour? I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation. "“The fall of civilisation” … that’s the sort of doom-mongering that I find unhelpful | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
“The fall of civilisation” … that’s the sort of doom-mongering that I find unhelpful "I'm sorry if facts hurt your feelings. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes."I never said you condone activist behaviour. And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
“The fall of civilisation” … that’s the sort of doom-mongering that I find unhelpful
I'm sorry if facts hurt your feelings."I never said that anything had hurt my feelings. Another invention, I’m afraid! ?? As for it being a “fact”, well, it isn’t | |||
"The ageing humanity will get older as medicine improves more people living in Brighton, parking will improve no more yellow lines all that paint saved eco friendly and the abolision of smoking lungs will be reborn to do the job they were intended for "Medical and technological advances will have far greater impacts in other countries and continents. Britain already has very high life expectancy, for example. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode "Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment? Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?! Fuck me this is puerile. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens." Every climate scientist on the planet worth their salt is telling us we should be crapping ourselves. That's got nothing to do with control and increasing taxes. They differ in their opinions on what we can still do about it, but they're united in their analysis of it's severity. Depending on where you live in the world, winters will be cold - sometimes in places that don't get cold winters; summers are already hot - in some places, unliveably hot; spring will be wet - with increased rainfall and floods. In other parts of the world, the combination will be different, but it'll all be increasingly extreme. It's already happening, faster, and stronger than predicted. If you think it's about "controlling" you, or increasing your taxes, then you really aren't paying attention. Best you get to the shop for more tinfoil for your hat. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile."I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully. | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. Every climate scientist on the planet worth their salt is telling us we should be crapping ourselves. That's got nothing to do with control and increasing taxes. They differ in their opinions on what we can still do about it, but they're united in their analysis of it's severity. Depending on where you live in the world, winters will be cold - sometimes in places that don't get cold winters; summers are already hot - in some places, unliveably hot; spring will be wet - with increased rainfall and floods. In other parts of the world, the combination will be different, but it'll all be increasingly extreme. It's already happening, faster, and stronger than predicted. If you think it's about "controlling" you, or increasing your taxes, then you really aren't paying attention. Best you get to the shop for more tinfoil for your hat. " The thing that I think is a closer threat - not a bigger threat, but a closer threat - is the rise of contrarianism and minority viewpoints disguised as official science. And people don't know the difference. It was fucking hilarious when it was creationists finding scientists who say we rode dinosaurs a couple of thousand years ago (check out the Steve project sometime - the response to this. More people just with a variation on the name of Steve, who are scientists of some form, saying that evolution is valid). It's less fucking funny when we can already see changes in our crops (olive oil is really expensive now. why? magic?) and the warnings just get ever more dire about the world going to shit unless we get our act together. But Joe "support me on my Patreon to overcome the Deep State so you can still go on holiday" Schmoe says that it's all a scam by the global elite, therefore it's all hyperbole. I feel for any child born into this century. It's all a bit shit. | |||
"The ageing humanity will get older as medicine improves more people living in Brighton, parking will improve no more yellow lines all that paint saved eco friendly and the abolision of smoking lungs will be reborn to do the job they were intended for
Medical and technological advances will have far greater impacts in other countries and continents. Britain already has very high life expectancy, for example. "I didn't specify a country, the worldwide populations will get larger and put a huge strain on the British health service | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully. "OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings. You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz? | |||
"The ageing humanity will get older as medicine improves more people living in Brighton, parking will improve no more yellow lines all that paint saved eco friendly and the abolision of smoking lungs will be reborn to do the job they were intended for
Medical and technological advances will have far greater impacts in other countries and continents. Britain already has very high life expectancy, for example. I didn't specify a country, the worldwide populations will get larger and put a huge strain on the British health service "Fair enough. With the referring Brighton, I thought you might be referring to the uk. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?"You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings. I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings. You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true. You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted. Please calm down and post respectfully. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?"Re activists, I don’t question them raising concerns, but I am heavily critical of their methods, which have alienated many potential supporters. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully. "Respect is earned. Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision. If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
Re activists, I don’t question them raising concerns, but I am heavily critical of their methods, which have alienated many potential supporters. "Well I would have supported environmentalists, but because they were so rude, then fuck the planet | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. Every climate scientist on the planet worth their salt is telling us we should be crapping ourselves. That's got nothing to do with control and increasing taxes. They differ in their opinions on what we can still do about it, but they're united in their analysis of it's severity. Depending on where you live in the world, winters will be cold - sometimes in places that don't get cold winters; summers are already hot - in some places, unliveably hot; spring will be wet - with increased rainfall and floods. In other parts of the world, the combination will be different, but it'll all be increasingly extreme. It's already happening, faster, and stronger than predicted. If you think it's about "controlling" you, or increasing your taxes, then you really aren't paying attention. Best you get to the shop for more tinfoil for your hat. The thing that I think is a closer threat - not a bigger threat, but a closer threat - is the rise of contrarianism and minority viewpoints disguised as official science. And people don't know the difference. It was fucking hilarious when it was creationists finding scientists who say we rode dinosaurs a couple of thousand years ago (check out the Steve project sometime - the response to this. More people just with a variation on the name of Steve, who are scientists of some form, saying that evolution is valid). It's less fucking funny when we can already see changes in our crops (olive oil is really expensive now. why? magic?) and the warnings just get ever more dire about the world going to shit unless we get our act together. But Joe "support me on my Patreon to overcome the Deep State so you can still go on holiday" Schmoe says that it's all a scam by the global elite, therefore it's all hyperbole. I feel for any child born into this century. It's all a bit shit." At the risk of just saying "I agree with _naswingdress", I totally agree with you. My daughter was born in 2002 - I dread what the state of the world will be when she's the age I am now. I'm afraid "oh, it'll all work out, because it always has", is wilful ignorance! And finding "alarmist rhetoric" "unhelpful" is missing the point that the reasonable approach isn't moving the dial far or fast enough when it comes to societal or political reaction to this issue. My hat's off to climate activists - for them is reserved the ire and bile that always comes the way of the brave who stand up to tell the Emperor he's naked. I have no faith in humanity as a species to overcome this. It's depressing. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully.
Respect is earned.
Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision.
If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality."All I have asked is that you stop making things up and attributing them to me, but you keep doing it. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
Re activists, I don’t question them raising concerns, but I am heavily critical of their methods, which have alienated many potential supporters.
Well I would have supported environmentalists, but because they were so rude, then fuck the planet "I never said that. Another fabrication … | |||
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"Anyway, who’s getting their tits out? " Fair point. If there was more of that in the next decade that would definitely help | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully.
Respect is earned.
Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision.
If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality.
All I have asked is that you stop making things up and attributing them to me, but you keep doing it. "OK. I think your argument is pathetic. People are so weak, so uncaring, so unable to love their children, that the word "emergency" will stop them dead in their tracks, and might even make them do harm to the cause. If people are defeated by mere words, to the point where they don't take action against an existential threat to their own lives or the lives of their children, then they are so far beneath contempt that they're approaching the earth's core. I know you'll tell me you didn't say any of that. I am telling you that that is what I think of what you've said. That the word "emergency" is so strong, so powerful, that it stops people giving a shit about the possibility that their children will live a long healthy life. That's beyond pathetic. I can also tell you that every movement has been told to be more nice. To be more accommodating to the ruling classes. Work 8 hours a day? Some people back then were other than nice. Benefit from birth control outside of marriage? Some people back then were other than nice. Etc forever. Fuck nice. Maybe people should grow up, feel their feelings, and not be cowed by fucking words. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully.
Respect is earned.
Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision.
If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality.
All I have asked is that you stop making things up and attributing them to me, but you keep doing it.
OK.
I think your argument is pathetic. People are so weak, so uncaring, so unable to love their children, that the word "emergency" will stop them dead in their tracks, and might even make them do harm to the cause. If people are defeated by mere words, to the point where they don't take action against an existential threat to their own lives or the lives of their children, then they are so far beneath contempt that they're approaching the earth's core.
I know you'll tell me you didn't say any of that. I am telling you that that is what I think of what you've said. That the word "emergency" is so strong, so powerful, that it stops people giving a shit about the possibility that their children will live a long healthy life. That's beyond pathetic.
I can also tell you that every movement has been told to be more nice. To be more accommodating to the ruling classes. Work 8 hours a day? Some people back then were other than nice. Benefit from birth control outside of marriage? Some people back then were other than nice. Etc forever.
Fuck nice. Maybe people should grow up, feel their feelings, and not be cowed by fucking words."So you think the “panic panic emergency” approach is working then? My view is that if you make people feel despondent, they give up. If you give them hope, you energise them. I also respect your opinion and your right to express it. It would be nice if you afforded others the same courtesy. | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully.
Respect is earned.
Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision.
If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality.
All I have asked is that you stop making things up and attributing them to me, but you keep doing it.
OK.
I think your argument is pathetic. People are so weak, so uncaring, so unable to love their children, that the word "emergency" will stop them dead in their tracks, and might even make them do harm to the cause. If people are defeated by mere words, to the point where they don't take action against an existential threat to their own lives or the lives of their children, then they are so far beneath contempt that they're approaching the earth's core.
I know you'll tell me you didn't say any of that. I am telling you that that is what I think of what you've said. That the word "emergency" is so strong, so powerful, that it stops people giving a shit about the possibility that their children will live a long healthy life. That's beyond pathetic.
I can also tell you that every movement has been told to be more nice. To be more accommodating to the ruling classes. Work 8 hours a day? Some people back then were other than nice. Benefit from birth control outside of marriage? Some people back then were other than nice. Etc forever.
Fuck nice. Maybe people should grow up, feel their feelings, and not be cowed by fucking words.
So you think the “panic panic emergency” approach is working then?
My view is that if you make people feel despondent, they give up. If you give them hope, you energise them.
I also respect your opinion and your right to express it. It would be nice if you afforded others the same courtesy. "Oh, so robust disagreement is censorship now? Bless your little cotton picking socks. You can say whatever the hell you want, and me disagreeing doesn't stop you (last I checked. Do I have superpowers I'm unaware of or something?). I can also feel however I want about what you say, and say so (within site rules etc) | |||
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"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. So we should pretend everything is fine? Yay. The children will thank us when there's mass starvation and influxes of refugees, because we kept on doing nothing
Where did I say “do nothing”?
Please don’t twist what I have posted or invented things I haven’t said. That gets us nowhere
OK, we should pat people on the head and tell them it's fine, because calling it an emergency isn't working. That way people who give a shit won't be worried, and we can leave it to our kids to deal with mass deaths and new uninhabitable parts of the planet.
Kids have it too easy, so we should tell the adults to keep going on holiday because calling things an emergency doesn't work, enrich ourselves, and let them deal with the fall of civilisation.
No, I didn’t suggest patting anyone on the head or tell them it’s fine. Please stop twisting what I have actually posted.
Please feel free to express your own views, but there is no benefit in pretending that I have said things that I haven’t.
I’m all for promoting and incentivising positive actions, simplifying ideas, presenting solutions. But as I said, jumping uk and doesn’t saying it’s the end of the world and it’s too late to do anything isn’t proving a very effective strategy. Nor is activist behaviour that borders on terrorism
If we're going to play that game, why are you suggesting that I condone or participate in said activist behaviour?
I've just done what I can - I don't have children, I don't drive, and I don't go on planes.
I never said you condone activist behaviour.
And I didn’t blame you for introducing the word “emergency” either. I blame the activists, politicians, writers etc who have inflamed language on this topic, made people feel defeatist, and desensitised many people to the topic. There’s only so long you can be in “emergency” mode
Have you tried doing something about it, petitioning people to do something about it, considering your impact on the environment?
Nah. It's the activists' fault for using this language (which brings in a feeling of defeatism, which is the core of your argument, when you say you have no feelings). How dare people tell the truth?! How dare they make the people who could do something about it look bad?!
Fuck me this is puerile.
I said I have no feelings? For the last time, please stop making up lies about me. Please post respectfully.
OK, nitpicker, you said nothing had hurt your feelings.
You're just playing whackamole with technicalities, aren't you? It's fun when you're five. I'm a bit old for this nonsense. I'm more worried about a habitable planet being around in a couple of decades, but the activists make people feel bad, so guess there's nothing we can do. How dare they want to stop unnecessary starvation and forced migration. Fucking monsters. Don't they know that telling the truth might give us the sadz?
You invented the idea that “facts” had hurt my feelings.
I posted that I didn’t say any comments had hurt my feelings.
You then invented the idea that I had said I don’t have feelings. I never said that, and clearly it isn’t true.
You are becoming increasingly abusive, and continually make things up that I haven’t posted.
Please calm down and post respectfully.
Respect is earned.
Your nitpicking is scarcely worth my derision.
If you believe that I am posting outside the rules, report me. I don't believe I am posting outside of the rules. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your ideas and your argument from technicality.
All I have asked is that you stop making things up and attributing them to me, but you keep doing it.
OK.
I think your argument is pathetic. People are so weak, so uncaring, so unable to love their children, that the word "emergency" will stop them dead in their tracks, and might even make them do harm to the cause. If people are defeated by mere words, to the point where they don't take action against an existential threat to their own lives or the lives of their children, then they are so far beneath contempt that they're approaching the earth's core.
I know you'll tell me you didn't say any of that. I am telling you that that is what I think of what you've said. That the word "emergency" is so strong, so powerful, that it stops people giving a shit about the possibility that their children will live a long healthy life. That's beyond pathetic.
I can also tell you that every movement has been told to be more nice. To be more accommodating to the ruling classes. Work 8 hours a day? Some people back then were other than nice. Benefit from birth control outside of marriage? Some people back then were other than nice. Etc forever.
Fuck nice. Maybe people should grow up, feel their feelings, and not be cowed by fucking words.
So you think the “panic panic emergency” approach is working then?
My view is that if you make people feel despondent, they give up. If you give them hope, you energise them.
I also respect your opinion and your right to express it. It would be nice if you afforded others the same courtesy.
Oh, so robust disagreement is censorship now? Bless your little cotton picking socks. You can say whatever the hell you want, and me disagreeing doesn't stop you (last I checked. Do I have superpowers I'm unaware of or something?). I can also feel however I want about what you say, and say so (within site rules etc)"Re site rules, “it’s supposed to be a bit of fun”. Telling a poster, amid a torrent of swearing, that their opinions are “beneath contempt” doesn’t quite fit that description. Peace out | |||
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"https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules In summary: If you treat other people with respect, you can't go far wrong. Don't forget that the forums are meant to be fun, if you find yourself fuming and writing long angry messages you're probably best taking a break from it." Noted. Thank you | |||
"There's no two ways about it. We're locked into a climate emergency with all the collateral problems that includes. It's only downhill from here. No we're not, it's manipulation to support control & increased taxes. Sun will come up & go down every day, winters will be cold, spring wet & summer hot as always happens. So do you think there is no climate problems whatsoever or that the current information is over represented? Not sure he said that. But constantly labelling every issue as an “emergency” just leaves people numb and desensitised. What would you refer to it as?
A fuck-up.
But doesn’t matter what headline-grabbing name you come up with, all that matters is identifying a practical solution … like when we had the hole in the ozone layer.
Panicking everyone they the planet is fucked, and that there are no practical global solutions … well, that hasn’t got us very far, has it!
"I mean fair enough, I dunno if it hasn't got us far, it has had some noticeable effects, but it's not like it's a recent thing. I remember reading the "captain eco" comic back when I was 6. I think it just feels more now due to how rapidly our news cycle...cycles. There are some drastic challenges heading our way outside of "just" the drastic shift in temperatures the last 5 years. Which on their own have been pretty bad. Phosphates are running out, which won't change unless we switch to more efficient agricultural practices. But there isn't the will to do much about it, regardless if we call it an emergency or not. I dunno, it's more than a fuck up, we are entering a period of climate uncertainty that doesn't have a precedent outside of major geological shifts, which would usually take place over a much longer period. Instead our actions have accelerated it by a factor of 200. It's not so much a case of "fixing it", even if we all stopped using fossil fuels, removed plastics, toxic chemicals and switched to sustainable agricultural practices tomorrow we wouldn't be able to fix it. We needed to do that 20 -30 years ago. All we can do now is mitigate what's coming. Turn it from what will be an extinction event, to something survivable. That's the best outcome now. Just seems like that's an emergency is all. | |||
"Do you think we'll all either be wiped out by climate change or working in Amazon forced labour camps or are you more hopefull for the worlds prospects?" I’ve just read we got snow coming next week! There’s no doubt about we’re fucked | |||
"The ageing humanity will get older as medicine improves more people living in Brighton, parking will improve no more yellow lines all that paint saved eco friendly and the abolision of smoking lungs will be reborn to do the job they were intended for
Medical and technological advances will have far greater impacts in other countries and continents. Britain already has very high life expectancy, for example. I didn't specify a country, the worldwide populations will get larger and put a huge strain on the British health service
Fair enough. With the referring Brighton, I thought you might be referring to the uk. "now that was referenced to the aged | |||
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"Do you think we'll all either be wiped out by climate change or working in Amazon forced labour camps or are you more hopefull for the worlds prospects? I’ve just read we got snow coming next week! There’s no doubt about we’re fucked" Snow? In Oxford? Sounds like your weather forecast is fucked. Was it the Oxford in Nova Scotia perhaps? | |||
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