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....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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What does the badge say? |
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By *ambertMan 26 weeks ago
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I don't think it would have any effect on me whatsoever if I'm honest |
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Whatever the person feels like their pronouns are I imagine.
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
Feels like progress! |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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Dick/dickhead
I'd be alright with that I guess.
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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I have a blue Peter badge so am exempt from those silly identity games 
Thanks, Anthea. |
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I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody  |
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Wouldn't bother me in the slightest, but I highly doubt anyone would bother reading it |
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody "
Walking advertisement |
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I'd tell them to do one! Sorry but why would they want you to? |
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I suppose if the person wanted to wear one to stop accidental misgendering then that's kinda fair.
I've heard it's like a knife to the heart |
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I already do, by choice.
If I'd been asked to, it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest |
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I'd say no, I don't feel the need I'm quite obviously a man
And if you don't believe me , tough shit
There is only male and female.
As for anything else that's a personal thing, and I will respect others choices. I'd prefer to just have my name on my badge, gender should have no place in the workplace, we are just people |
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody
Walking advertisement "
well thats what they want obviously for you to advertise their business, in fact more and more businesses because they pay you think they own you |
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My local council (including the schools) all have pronouns on their emails. |
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody
Walking advertisement well thats what they want obviously for you to advertise their business, in fact more and more businesses because they pay you think they own you "
My old papa use to say that if I ever wore name brand stuff, I tried wearing a burlap sack but he accused me of trying to promote chip shops |
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I just googled it so i guess if you're a guy but want to identify as a woman then you wear one |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
Why would they do that?
Did your employer ask you to? |
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I'd reserve pronouns for those that wish to wear them. It isn't a collective thing, and it will just cause issues and segregate where the focus should be on bringing people together. You do that by choice. You can respect someone who has chosen to wear a badge that resolves ambiguity, but if everyone is asked to wear one it will be 'because of them!!'
It's obvious that I am 'he/him.' a pronoun badge is therefore unnecessary but it's unambiguous. If someone chooses to wear one however, then power to them |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that?
Why would they do that?
Did your employer ask you to? "
No |
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I think its unnecessary but adding it to an email signature does the job. |
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Doubt my company would ask, but wouldn't bother me. Though I don't really think it's necessary unless someone specifically wanted to wear one. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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I guess it’s just such a small easy thing to do; that might just make life less hard for someone.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"Dick/dickhead
I'd be alright with that I guess.
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Pls send me a copy of that one  |
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The same way I felt about wearing a lanyard with my name on it. It identified me as who I am. How could I feel anything but ok about that? |
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I'd prefer if companies used adjective badges.
Tired/lazy
Enthusiastic/annoying
Indifferent/apathetic
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By *emidemiWoman 26 weeks ago
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I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too |
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Wouldn't bother me.
It would take no effort to wear one ,has no effect on me and might make someone else more comfortable so why not. |
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I'd have a word with my boss (myself) on the insanity of an identifying badge when I work from home and don't interact with people in meatspace. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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Let the folk who what to wear them but dont force others to simple |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too "
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? |
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I’d feel more upset about my job trying to impose a uniform.
I wouldn’t give a shit about the pronouns. |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? "
Everyone does  |
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If Amy job I had ever tried to force me to wear a badge of any kind I would tell them where to put it |
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By *EAT..85Woman 26 weeks ago
Nottingham |
My work place updated the name badges so that those that wish to state their pronouns can and those that don't don't have to. Simples. |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? "
"you" is a pronoun. |
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"My work place updated the name badges so that those that wish to state their pronouns can and those that don't don't have to. Simples. "
Yes it should always be a choice and not a requirement |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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We can add pronouns to our online id (zoom/email/teams etc)
It wouldn't be a big deal if they were added to our physical id cards if they were ever reissued |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun."
I identify as you |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you"
Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for?
I is also a pronoun. btw |
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By *emidemiWoman 26 weeks ago
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? "
In an ideal world, yes |
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I have visited places where the pronouns are on thier badges, but I usually call everyone luv or mate. Coming from Merseyside, you can get away with it. |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
In an ideal world, yes"
The dumb thing is, everyone does.
Even the people in here saying that it's obvious what their pronouns are... are using pronouns. Both as an identifier and in their grammatical sense.
Quite why this is a culture war issue I don't know. |
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"I have visited places where the pronouns are on thier badges, but I usually call everyone luv or mate. Coming from Merseyside, you can get away with it."
Yeah I still use mate and buddy or in Wales it's butt |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too "
If someone got my gender wrong, I'd much rather gently correct them. And move on. Not a chance I'd wear a badge. All feels a little entitled |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
If someone got my gender wrong, I'd much rather gently correct them. And move on. Not a chance I'd wear a badge. All feels a little entitled "
I feel like a badge is less intrusive than a correction. It's there, you can look it, or you can not look at it. (I wouldn't have one for work because I sit at home alone. My houseplant doesn't use pronouns) |
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Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
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I choose to wear one, and in reality, even in the DEI industry these badges are almost always optional.
My pronouns are to most self evident, but I wear a badge as an act of allyship for those who may feel uncomfortable asking to be addressed by alternative pronouns.
If you can make someone feel included just by working a little harder, why wouldn't you?
Ps Gender and sexuality are completely separate. |
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"I choose to wear one, and in reality, even in the DEI industry these badges are almost always optional.
My pronouns are to most self evident, but I wear a badge as an act of allyship for those who may feel uncomfortable asking to be addressed by alternative pronouns.
If you can make someone feel included just by working a little harder, why wouldn't you?
Ps Gender and sexuality are completely separate. "
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
I'd refuse! |
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Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. "
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) "
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product)
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes!"
I grew cress |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
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What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
My job asks me to do a lot of unreasonable things so a pronoun badge meh wouldn’t bother me although the risk of it being ripped of and stabbed with it is high!!!  |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product)
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress "
So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed. |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product)
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress
So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed."
Actually my spelling is impeccable.
My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us.
I'll never forget how horrible that cress was |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product)
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress
So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed.
Actually my spelling is impeccable.
My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us.
I'll never forget how horrible that cress was"
Apologies, you might be unfamiliar with the concept that "writing" has more than one meaning. In this case it doesn't mean penmanship, it means construction of sentences - syntax and grammar.
I imagine you tended to it too much if you were not given basic English lessons in lieu of tending to it. |
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I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used "
I remember being about eight and being screamed at by some parent because some other parent (not mine!) had gotten a divorce and had become "Ms Maidenname". Apparently feminism was ruining everything and Ms x was bitter and divorced and this would lead to chaos, chaos I tell you!
Even at that impressionable age, I kinda wondered what Mrs Tradition had lodged up her butt and if the doctor could treat it. |
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I wore a prefect and house captain badge / does that count ?
*No didn’t think so … |
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied.
Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they.
Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it.
Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product)
Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better.
Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress
So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed.
Actually my spelling is impeccable.
My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us.
I'll never forget how horrible that cress was
Apologies, you might be unfamiliar with the concept that "writing" has more than one meaning. In this case it doesn't mean penmanship, it means construction of sentences - syntax and grammar.
I imagine you tended to it too much if you were not given basic English lessons in lieu of tending to it."
I suppose that's what happens when you skip school to grow horrible vegetables (???) |
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It's also really interesting to note that in discussions like these, the term "heterosexual" was strongly rejected in culture war terms when it came about, around the turn of the 20th century. They too believed that they were correct and there could be no other way of being than whatever the fuck they thought was normal. |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used "
So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" |
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My name badge has my name on, we could have our pronouns on if we requested it but I didn't ask for them, we can also have them on our emails and stuff if we wanted too, if they insisted we did I wouldn't have a problem with it but it's not something I am going to insist on x |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used
So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" "
Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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Are we talking pin badge or lanyard? The pronoun thing doesn't bother me but both are inconvenient as fuck. |
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
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What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
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So would you not just use their name in an email back?
If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them.
A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway.
If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name.
The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read.
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By *nnCeeWoman 26 weeks ago
East of Eden, West of Hell |
Today I identify as a goat - I want to eat things and headbutt anyone I feel like.
On the subject of pronouns, some people where I work have added them to email signatures, some haven't. If that's what they want to do, then that's cool with me. If I was asked to wear a badge, I might. I'm supposed to wear my ID card round the building, but I normally don't (unless I'm leaving the floor, in which case I take it with me, so I can access the doors). If doing something makes you happy, go for it (as long as its not illegal, or means everyone else things you're a complete knob). |
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
K
What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
So would you not just use their name in an email back?
If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them.
A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway.
If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name.
The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read.
K"
If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time.
Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?"
as opposed to
"I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc" |
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
K
What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
So would you not just use their name in an email back?
If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them.
A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway.
If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name.
The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read.
K
If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time.
Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?"
as opposed to
"I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc""
Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate".
It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me. |
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Badge yep no worries. That being said I have trouble wearing my work lanyard. For months I've been wearing someone else's who left with her name and photo id on as I need it to get into different blocks. If I HAD to wear a badge I imagine the same would happen! |
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
K
What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
So would you not just use their name in an email back?
If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them.
A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway.
If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name.
The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read.
K
If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time.
Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?"
as opposed to
"I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc"
Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate".
It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me."
I understand that it's pretty difficult for people to adjust to. I wouldn't even start to try and explain this to my dad for instance it would just confuse him. He's desperately worried about one of his male great grandchildren who has long hair for instance, if I start trying to get him to understand this he'd explode  . It'll take time but I suspect that most of the people being born in this decade won't even question it. |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used
So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus"
Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. "
You're right, I'll just call her mate |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used
So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus"
Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it.
You're right, I'll just call her mate "
Do, we often call each other 'mate' |
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We don’t use pronouns talking directly with people so I don’t see the utility of badges with pronouns other than to make people more of a target is customer service or retail jobs. |
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me.
K
What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen
So would you not just use their name in an email back?
If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them.
A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway.
If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name.
The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read.
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If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time.
Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?"
as opposed to
"I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc"
Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate".
It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me.
I understand that it's pretty difficult for people to adjust to. I wouldn't even start to try and explain this to my dad for instance it would just confuse him. He's desperately worried about one of his male great grandchildren who has long hair for instance, if I start trying to get him to understand this he'd explode . It'll take time but I suspect that most of the people being born in this decade won't even question it."
Yeah, I'm less worried about the elderly, and more worried about people who aren't elderly causing a big hoo ha about... almost nothing? Like, you're not going to untrans someone by being rude to them. Being rude is just being rude, and people who use pronouns (including those who identify as their gender assigned at birth) can quickly identify those who choose to be rude, and take appropriate defensive action. |
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used
So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus"
Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it.
You're right, I'll just call her mate
Do, we often call each other 'mate'"
But never her actual name.
I always found calling my lady by her name felt weird, referring to her by name but saying hey Maria always felt off |
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^^ I think there needs to be an adjustment period.
If someone who I'm used to calling 'him' asks me to use 'her' I'm going to take a while to adjust and I will make mistakes.
For no other reason than I'll just forget or I'm so used to using him that it'll just slip out. I hope people will understand that |
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"^^ I think there needs to be an adjustment period.
If someone who I'm used to calling 'him' asks me to use 'her' I'm going to take a while to adjust and I will make mistakes.
For no other reason than I'll just forget or I'm so used to using him that it'll just slip out. I hope people will understand that"
I think the online hand wringing is actually worse than it is in practice. It's usually obvious when someone is trying to be a jerk as opposed to not knowing. And most people are gracious at the first (even second) mistake, particularly when people go to correct themselves (sign of sincerity).
It's the people who go around going "Swing, he he he he HE did this, oh he's so uppity thinking he can tell me what to do, and I'm going to tell HIM to his face". At that point I'm thinking, ok edgelord, and I walk away. |
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By *alcon77Man 26 weeks ago
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I'd say no chance.
Then I'd get all my colleagues to chain ourselves to the workplace building, in protest.
Then the police would be called.
Then when the police arrived they'd have to call the fire brigade to unchain us.
We'd still not go though.
So then the army would be called in.
When the army finally removed us, the police would take us to the cells in custody, ready for sentencing.
Whilst the we're all in prison I'd send a message out for the WHORONS to come break us out. The WHORONS are an alien life form. I've read about them, they are already here.
Then jordan peterson would highlight our cause.
I think he's the best man that ever lived.
(I think he's even better than the WHORONS.) |
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Fine although it's irrelevant to me whatever they want it to say. |
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Function of how well they are paying me. |
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I'd be confused as I work for myself |
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By *eavilMan 26 weeks ago
Stalybridge |
Is it just pandering to the attention seeking (and shit stirring) minority. |
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Fortyswitch
F**king C**t
Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule! |
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I'm my own boss I work from home, I'd be giving my head a wobble.
If I was asked at a job location where people would meet me off happily wear one if that was part of the uniform - although I hate having my full name on my name badge I stuck to practicing in my maiden name. |
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Fortyswitch
F**king C**t
Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!"
You've just used several pronouns. |
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"Is it just pandering to the attention seeking (and shit stirring) minority."
adverts do it why shouldn't they |
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I'll wear a badge that says pretty much anything if I get a pay rise and only have to wear it for work....I'm a tramp like that  |
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I’m very surprised my work haven’t put it on our id badges yet. I’ll be sure to be checking my emails tomorrow as well |
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"Wouldn't bother me.
It would take no effort to wear one ,has no effect on me and might make someone else more comfortable so why not."
This, and I already have my pronouns in my email signature block |
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By *iss.ddWoman 26 weeks ago
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I'm the gaffa and whilst I wouldn't force anyone to do it, I applaud my employees who choose to do it of their own free will whether that's to make their situation clear or make others feel comfortable.
I have however been on site with clients and had to wear my pronouns on an access badge. Doesn't bother me either way if it potentially helps others feel safe / brave to share |
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By *929Man 26 weeks ago
newcastle |
I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them "
Why? |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that?
Why would they do that?
Did your employer ask you to?
No"
Why would they?
Or are you asking a question about a hypothetical situation that you don’t even think might happen? |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them "
What pronouns would be ridiculous then? |
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Fortyswitch
F**king C**t
Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!"
You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that |
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In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? |
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If it helps just one person to feel better about themselves and included, then yes I'd wear the badge as it's not going to effect my life in anyway at all. Must have a pretty sad empty life if things like this would bother you. |
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By *929Man 26 weeks ago
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then? "
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find |
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I spend most of my time being a physical advertising hording, but then it is my company |
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"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? "
People who work in education, quite a lot of retail staff and loads of admin jobs |
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I've worn them at group socials.
An easy way to recognise people.
Especially those who's face you haven't seen.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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No.
When I applied for my current job I skipped the whole section on pronouns. Apparently that helped me get the job so having them on applications makes a good filter as to who to avoid  |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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For me I'd not be surprised, for him I think lots of people would be missing a spouse tonight! |
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By *iss.ddWoman 26 weeks ago
Leeds + Newcastle |
"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? "
Most corporate jobs that require photo id to be worn at all times |
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Thank goodness for small mercies of not wearing a moto a day badge.
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"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? "
Health care professionals. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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Wouldn’t be bothered in the slightest |
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Wouldn’t have a problem with it. It’s the overtime that goes unnoticed that I have a problem with. |
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I don't usually comment 9n such matters but as someone who has been in charge of policy I certainly would not ask. However I would leave it open to individuals if they wanted to. Now that you asked though, I might check if I can wear an MB badge. It will be rather interesting having to explain what it stands for |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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No different to wearing a name badge.. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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How big would it have to be for someone to be able read it across a meeting room?
If the employee has a preference just tell the person. I don't need to know in advance.
Or how about using people's actual names?
You could put them on a badge , I think I've hit on something there.
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By *aizyWoman 26 weeks ago
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Wouldn't bother me. |
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If everyone had to wear one, sure. If it's optional or targeted at me, then no. |
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I'd tell she/her/herself to bloody do one!!  |
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As long as everyone called me m’lord I would be fine with it. |
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By *oozleMan 26 weeks ago
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How many times have you been asked by someone to ask their pronouns though?, personally I haven’t ever - so I wouldn’t want to wear a badge, rather go by my name than any other label… |
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Sure, it hurts no one and helps some. |
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"How many times have you been asked by someone to ask their pronouns though?, personally I haven’t ever - so I wouldn’t want to wear a badge, rather go by my name than any other label…"
We went through a phase at work a couple of years where a few of the younger members of staff were _very_ keen to make sure we all understood their pronouns. That only lasted a few months and they don’t seem to care anymore. |
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By *essTTWoman 26 weeks ago
Birmingham |
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest, although I know it would encourage some people to cause a (negative) fuss over it |
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Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
It wouldn't be any skin off our noses. The students get everyone's pronouns wrong anyway so I'd still get called him/Mr/Sir on the regular.
We're encouraged, but not mandated, to have pronouns in our email signature. |
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"How many times have you been asked by someone to ask their pronouns though?, personally I haven’t ever - so I wouldn’t want to wear a badge, rather go by my name than any other label…"
It would have your name too. I don't think anyone anywhere is suggesting we go about calling each other he or she and not using names. |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then? "
Neo pronouns
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I'd not really care. Jobs policy to do so, it's not going to harm or affect me in any way by this rule change. It won't make my job any more difficult.
However if they request and it's optional (of no consequence) that I go out of my way to do so. Meh, if I remember and can be arsed to have it on display I might, but it's on my lowest of low job priorities to do so for something optional. |
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It wouldn't bother me. If people want to know whether to call me 'miss' or 'sir', I'm very happy to make it clear for them. But to be honest if I'm being asked to display my pronoun, then presumably my actual name will be on display as well, and I'd much prefer people call me by my given name than by my preferred pronoun. In the same way that I object to being labelled by my marital status... But that's a whole different thread there! |
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I never liked wearing a name badge when I worked in retail and would try and get away without wearing one as often as I could. It seemed to give men a convenient excuse to stare at my tits If given the choice, I wouldn’t have my pronouns on a name badge (as I think it would be unnecessary for me) but if others would like their pronouns added, then that’s up to them and have no problem with it |
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Doesn't bother me in the slightest and if it helps others, I'm all for it. |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
what i found more in my previous roles was that they were putting this on the bottom of emails |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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It should be a personal choice. For me it’s a no and you should not be forced to wear a badge. If you really want to wear a badge then great that is your choice and I will back your right to wear it but I have a right to not to x |
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"It should be a personal choice. For me it’s a no and you should not be forced to wear a badge. If you really want to wear a badge then great that is your choice and I will back your right to wear it but I have a right to not to x"
True. But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ?
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I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ? |
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My company gave us the option to do this on emails. I didn't do it because I personally believe it is a load of ballix. |
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" But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ?
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I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ?"
When you were brought up to address people as Sir/Madam, how did you decide which to use, because I’m guessing most were not wearing a badge telling you which to use. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"It should be a personal choice. For me it’s a no and you should not be forced to wear a badge. If you really want to wear a badge then great that is your choice and I will back your right to wear it but I have a right to not to x
True. But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ?
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I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ?"
I agree with what you are saying but it’s going to be obvious how you address me just have a look at my profile picture. What I am trying to say is yes if you want to be addressed in a certain way wear a badge and put it on the bottom of your email.
And I will fight for your right to do that! I just think that I should not be forced to wear a badge or declare a pronoun when it is not an issue for me in any way! |
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I have to wear a building pass with my name and photo on, which is fine. I'd feel it rather unnecessary to add a pronoun as its quite obvious I'm female. And someone calling me Sir/mr/he wouldn't bother me, I'd just giggle.
Plus, you CAN address someone directly without referring to their preferred pronouns ie. "Excuse me, can you help me?" So I'd argue is it necessary? |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"I have to wear a building pass with my name and photo on, which is fine. I'd feel it rather unnecessary to add a pronoun as its quite obvious I'm female. And someone calling me Sir/mr/he wouldn't bother me, I'd just giggle.
Plus, you CAN address someone directly without referring to their preferred pronouns ie. "Excuse me, can you help me?" So I'd argue is it necessary? "
I think that is what I am trying to say but you said it much better than me x
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" But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ?
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I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ?
When you were brought up to address people as Sir/Madam, how did you decide which to use, because I’m guessing most were not wearing a badge telling you which to use. "
Well, obviously by visual clues as to their gender. However those days are gone and I'm quite happy with that. So I assume nothing these days, and I'm fine with that too. |
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I agree with what you are saying but it’s going to be obvious how you address me just have a look at my profile picture. "
That's the dilemma though, isn't it ? I cannot assume you identify as a male just by looking at your photo. My default setting is now "Undetermined, until either told or I ask".
Not everyone is comfortable asking, and not every tells either.
I think I'll default to "Hello Earthling".
Though I do worry the next time I use it, someone might whisper conspiritationally to me, "Shssh ! Are you one of us?". In which case they've just outed themselves as not an Earthling. Which would be amusing, since neither am I |
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Fine not a problem. Doesn't matter to me |
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Fortyswitch
F**king C**t
Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!
You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that "
IT was in a meeting. And no, it wasnot a sackable offence. Why would you think otherwise? What reason would you have for sacking?
the point raised, and later discussed was if you demand I use your pronouns, then you must also use mine. And mie might be quite offensive. Otherwise, we all just peoples naes instead. |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find "
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer? |
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Fortyswitch
F**king C**t
Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!
You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that
IT was in a meeting. And no, it wasnot a sackable offence. Why would you think otherwise? What reason would you have for sacking?
the point raised, and later discussed was if you demand I use your pronouns, then you must also use mine. And mie might be quite offensive. Otherwise, we all just peoples naes instead. "
The words you used are not pronouns though.
Seriously, in any work environment I’ve been in, I would sack someone for behaving like that in the workplace.
They would be free to object, and free to discuss, but I would definitely sack someone for that sort of conduct. And I have worked in a range of industries, in several countries. |
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"What are pronouns? "
You honestly don’t know? |
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I’d say shove it where the sun doesn’t shine |
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It’s amazing how people are so defensive about using pronouns or simply expressing theirs. What are folks so angry and defensive about exactly?
To answer the OP, I would do and I express them when I can anyway. It normalises the process for others that use different ones and it helps to make people feel comfortable |
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You honestly don’t know? "
This whole thread shows how few people understand pronouns - and how common courtesy has been turned into a fury wank. |
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I already do, it's says my name. |
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By *929Man 26 weeks ago
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer? "
So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns? |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer?
So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?"
That's up for you to determine. The vast majority of people pick from the pronouns that already exist - neopronouns have largely fallen into disuse, although I'm sure there are exceptions. The usual formulation of pronouns, when presented, are (subject singular)/ (possessive). For example, he/him, she/her, they/their (and sometimes mixed up from our traditional grammar books, such as she/their).
Pronouns are a function of how you identify - not what you identify as. Someone could want to be called Peter and have pronouns of she/her if she wanted to. They're not just random words. |
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For people who don't know and not everyone does, there's no shame in not knowing something.
A pronoun is a word that you use instead of a noun. So instead of saying
"Do you know Sue? I like Sue"
You use the pronoun *her*
"Do you know Sue? I like her"
Or whatever pronoun Sue prefers. |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer?
So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?
I realise that often when people say things like that, they’re endeavouring to point out how ridiculous they think that self identification is. "
When I was younger, a lot of kids came over from countries where English was not the first language, and the children's given names were difficult for English speakers to pronounce. The children were often allowed to choose their own names, with unfortunate/ hilarious results.
I'll admit I laughed in private, because it was jarring, but I took cues from Happy, Sunshine, Rainbow, etc as to how they wanted to be treated and addressed, and moved forward that way. I would have laid into someone who mocked them for the names they chose, even though the names were (at least culturally) ridiculous. |
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I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a man, so wouldn't be wearing one. |
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I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a man, so wouldn't be wearing one. |
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Some work colleagues have it on their emails. I don’t think it’s necessary, but each to their own |
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Don’t think I would wear one, the point is so that people know beforehand what your chosen pronouns are so there is now embarrassment if they get them wrong.
I really couldn’t care less what pronoun someone used to address me. |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
Wouldn't bother me at all. |
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? "
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I'll be feeling more about the annual increase in salary that I'm negotiating with them than anything around pronouns. I'm happy with pronouns. I've been using them since pre-school. |
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A lot of these conversations remind me very much about the possibility of recognising same sex couples legally.
One, the idea that if we give this accommodation, all hell will break loose. I must say, living near a church, it is rather painful watching the bride and groom's family fight so viciously when cats marry dogs three times a day.
Two, that it's giving away too much information. I especially like it when, in a culture where it's increasingly normalised to talk about the details of conception and pregnancy (and long may that continue), Dave introducing his partner Brad was thereby telling his office that he was banging Brad bareback in his arse all night long. Meanwhile Danielle talking about vaginal secretions, timing conception (and all those juicy creampies), sperm quality, showing off pee sticks, is totally normal, and no one even questions that her wedding ring probably implies that she fucks Phil. |
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Showing trans people respect for how they wanted to be treated is the same thing as calling people what they want to be called.
Imagine a new colleague who introduces himself as Dave. You call him David. He says, oh, call me Dave, I prefer it. You say, I don't give a shit what you want, David.
Or those occasional people who go by a middle name rather than a first name (I went to one of those insanely religious schools where teh ghey and blue hair was destroying society. No one batted an eyelid when Andrew Smith wanted to be called James Smith. Who the fuck cares)
Or respecting people whose surnames change due to marriage, divorce, etc.
No. Your birth certificate says your name is Joe Bloggs. I shall not call you Peter Smith, that is denying reality!  |
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer?
So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?"
I’m not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that Boeing AH-64 apache is a gender?
If so, then your pronoun is probably “it”.
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them
What pronouns would be ridiculous then?
Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find
I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them …
Can you please answer?
So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?
I’m not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that Boeing AH-64 apache is a gender?
If so, then your pronoun is probably “it”.
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It's interesting. Due to the dehumanising connotations of it, the default for gender neutral/ non-conforming tends to be "they/their".
Which, before all the grammar nuts get upset, was only used by the recent, terrible, monstrous, long since forgotten butcher of the English language... William Shakespeare. |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you
Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for?
I is also a pronoun. btw"
You want me to refer to you as “I”? That could get confusing |
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"What are pronouns?
You honestly don’t know?
This whole thread shows how few people understand pronouns - and how common courtesy has been turned into a fury wank."
Agreed. Some people don’t even seem to know what a pronoun is.
And others seem to have very extreme reactions to pronouns even being mentioned |
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My dog (male) has a pink studed collar as since his op he identifies as non binary. |
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you
Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for?
I is also a pronoun. btw
You want me to refer to you as “I”? That could get confusing "
Me? No. Generally one uses third person pronouns in this instance. But that doesn't mean that first and second pronouns don't exist. I look forward to how the culture war gets mad at I/my you/your we/our. (In some languages there are more - not including the duplication of you in singular and plural. Ancient Greek, for example, has pronouns in dual)
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One of the funniest things about this thread is that every person saying that they wouldn't be labelled with their pronouns, quite literally is in every single one of their posts
The top line of every post gives the name of the poster (that they have chosen themselves, is not what appears on their birth certificate, but they do expect to be called by), and next to it is a lovely green arrow pointing to the word man, woman, couple, or tv/ts. Implying pronouns he/him, she/her, they/them, or please-look-at-profile-for-further-information.
Furthermore, the gender implied by that word has been self-identified by the profile owner! Even when doing photo verification, the mods don't insist on performing a close up examination of genitals! (Okay yes, plenty of folk here do actually show views that might shock even their gynacologist, but that's voluntary self-identification, you know the thing that so many declare would destroy society if people at large were allowed to do it  ) |
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