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Gerald Ratner, the new operational boss at Manchester United, once the best club in Manchester, has ordered staff back into the office or face redundancy next week. Time the Government did the same with civil servants. It all over the news |
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"So he’s still in the overpriced crap business then?
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"So he’s still in the overpriced crap business then?
* disclaimer I know nada about footsoccerball.
You fell into Tom's web Glow...you fell...xxx
I’m like a sniper Nicky, or a Luton prozzie…I see a head pop up I’m on it. So to speak. "
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"Gerald Ratner, the new operational boss at Manchester United, once the best club in Manchester, has ordered staff back into the office or face redundancy next week. Time the Government did the same with civil servants. It all over the news"
Jim Ratcliffe, not Gerald Ratner. |
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"Gerald Ratner, the new operational boss at Manchester United, once the best club in Manchester, has ordered staff back into the office or face redundancy next week. Time the Government did the same with civil servants. It all over the news"
Gerald ratner? Are you sure?
The “return to office” order at United is largely unenforceable, large numbers of their employees joined in recent years on hybrid contracts or contracts that entitle them to work from home, so any threat of redundancy for those individuals would be a nailed-on constrictive dismissal case.
Also, I’m pretty sure they don’t have enough office space for all of their employees, so the proposal is unworkable. |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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"So he’s still in the overpriced crap business then?
* disclaimer I know nada about footsoccerball.
You fell into Tom's web Glow...you fell...xxx
I’m like a sniper Nicky, or a Luton prozzie…I see a head pop up I’m on it. So to speak. "
Don't do Luton down, not now Chris Martin has immortalised it with his new song 'Orange'  |
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" The “return to office” order at United is largely unenforceable, large numbers of their employees joined in recent years on hybrid contracts or contracts that entitle them to work from home, so any threat of redundancy for those individuals would be a nailed-on constrictive dismissal case.
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I like the thought of constrictive dismissal, but when put with a football club I start thinking about those 1970s football shorts (it's enough to make you turn 'Fab straight')  |
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" The “return to office” order at United is largely unenforceable, large numbers of their employees joined in recent years on hybrid contracts or contracts that entitle them to work from home, so any threat of redundancy for those individuals would be a nailed-on constrictive dismissal case.
I like the thought of constrictive dismissal, but when put with a football club I start thinking about those 1970s football shorts (it's enough to make you turn 'Fab straight') "
Constructive dismissal … |
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Gerald Ratner lost his business for crass comments made at a televised dinner, his Samuals jewely
Empire went down the pan …., in a v patronising speech about this buying public etc and the quality of “tat” they sold !
Jim Ratcliff avoids paying uk tax allegedly!
Just thought that was a bit relevant ( ok a tiny bit) |
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"Gerald Ratner lost his business for crass comments made at a televised dinner, his Samuals jewely
Empire went down the pan …., in a v patronising speech about this buying public etc and the quality of “tat” they sold !
Jim Ratcliff avoids paying uk tax allegedly!
Just thought that was a bit relevant ( ok a tiny bit) "
Ratner was asked how his stiff was so cheap, and he said “because it’s crap”
… actually, maybe he would be a good general manager for United “because they’re crap” |
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Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal |
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal"
People still shop and have coffee … but they use local outlets in villages and towns instead of cities.
And the emission savings from reduced travel levels has to be a positive |
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By *lynJMan 25 weeks ago
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal"
Lots of companies were downsizing office space and expecting employees to work from home some of the time even before COVID struck. |
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By (user no longer on site) 25 weeks ago
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I think the last I heard, they were offering voluntary resignations for people to take so assume they would get some sort of pay off if they decided to accept.
Personally, I don't see how getting workers back into the office provides a way to give structure to the footballing side of Manchester United and very much seems like a way to force people to quit so they can cut costs and reduce potentially redundant roles. |
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"I hope not .. i still have Kin to watch, rewatch the Soprano's and finish Still Game! I also like a bit of homes under the hammer ... any other good tv worth a watch ?"
I enjoyed Kin. Sounds like we won’t be seeing a series 3 though, which is a shame |
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By *ean counterMan 25 weeks ago
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I work in pretty much Central London. From my office window I can see in to quite a few large open plan offices over several floors of high rise buildings and they are all empty! I think the covid working from home thing has made many companies realise that they don't need an expensive office in a big city anymore. (Bean Counter-Working from home  ) |
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"Gerald Ratner, the new operational boss at Manchester United, once the best club in Manchester, has ordered staff back into the office or face redundancy next week. Time the Government did the same with civil servants. It all over the news
Gerald ratner? Are you sure?
The “return to office” order at United is largely unenforceable, large numbers of their employees joined in recent years on hybrid contracts or contracts that entitle them to work from home, so any threat of redundancy for those individuals would be a nailed-on constrictive dismissal case.
Also, I’m pretty sure they don’t have enough office space for all of their employees, so the proposal is unworkable. "
What do all these people do?
Is it sending apology letters to all the fans?  |
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Our NHS area has closed an office and released a floor in our building and merged those staff into one. If everyone came back, there wouldn't be enough desks. Not going to happen any time soon with us and so not in our news!!! |
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal
Lots of companies were downsizing office space and expecting employees to work from home some of the time even before COVID struck."
When you need your employees to work in the office then the pool of people to choose from is limited by how easy it is to commute. If you can work from home the pool of employees is national. This is happening in Australia where they are losing jobs because employees can work from anywhere. I know someone who moved to Northern Ireland and still kept their job in the southeast. That job would be up for grabs by locals if they had to be in an office. Soon if this trend increases then you'll be applying for work across the country and competing with others that choose to do the same. |
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal
Lots of companies were downsizing office space and expecting employees to work from home some of the time even before COVID struck.
When you need your employees to work in the office then the pool of people to choose from is limited by how easy it is to commute. If you can work from home the pool of employees is national. This is happening in Australia where they are losing jobs because employees can work from anywhere. I know someone who moved to Northern Ireland and still kept their job in the southeast. That job would be up for grabs by locals if they had to be in an office. Soon if this trend increases then you'll be applying for work across the country and competing with others that choose to do the same. "
Being able to live in cheaper locations and not have commuting costs is pretty attractive.
Doesn’t work well for all jobs or industries, or all stages of certain careers, but there are some huge upsides to being able to work from home |
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal
People still shop and have coffee … but they use local outlets in villages and towns instead of cities.
And the emission savings from reduced travel levels has to be a positive "
On the other hand, reduced social interaction must be having a negative impact on people's mental health.
Also most people working from home are not visiting small local businesses instead of the high-street, they are shopping online and visiting their own kitchen instead. A large number of villages don't even have a shop or a café.
There is also the fact that people are paying to heat & light their homes all day when they would otherwise have been at the office, saving companies a fortune at the expense of their workforce. |
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"Gerald Ratner, the new operational boss at Manchester United, once the best club in Manchester, has ordered staff back into the office or face redundancy next week. Time the Government did the same with civil servants. It all over the news"
I feel many of his first team have been working from home this season. |
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By *mo512Man 25 weeks ago
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The only arguement for a return to office working is, for me anyway, the negative impact on younger workers and grads.
There is a lot more to learn and understand for these workers by being in an office where there is access to more experienced employees. And it's not just the work itself, it's softer skills about how to conduct yourself etc etc. |
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So apart from the convenience, improved capacity for work life balance, supporting people whom have children or carers. People with disabilities. The reduced traffic hence improved efficiency and economic multiplier effect, road accidents, road maintenance, environmental impact and increased availability of building for housing, welfare, NHS, arts and entertainment.
Other than that I think working from home is a ridiculous idea. |
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By *lynJMan 25 weeks ago
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"So apart from the convenience, improved capacity for work life balance, supporting people whom have children or carers. People with disabilities. The reduced traffic hence improved efficiency and economic multiplier effect, road accidents, road maintenance, environmental impact and increased availability of building for housing, welfare, NHS, arts and entertainment.
Other than that I think working from home is a ridiculous idea."
You forgot the reduced costs to companies because they don't need big offices.
You also forgot about the logical extension which is "why employ people to work remotely in the UK when they could employ people to work remotely in cheaper locations abroad?” |
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"So apart from the convenience, improved capacity for work life balance, supporting people whom have children or carers. People with disabilities. The reduced traffic hence improved efficiency and economic multiplier effect, road accidents, road maintenance, environmental impact and increased availability of building for housing, welfare, NHS, arts and entertainment.
Other than that I think working from home is a ridiculous idea.
You forgot the reduced costs to companies because they don't need big offices.
You also forgot about the logical extension which is "why employ people to work remotely in the UK when they could employ people to work remotely in cheaper locations abroad?”"
They're good but they don't quite fit in with flow of the 'what have the Romans ever done for us' theme I was aiming for. |
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal
People still shop and have coffee … but they use local outlets in villages and towns instead of cities.
And the emission savings from reduced travel levels has to be a positive
On the other hand, reduced social interaction must be having a negative impact on people's mental health.
Also most people working from home are not visiting small local businesses instead of the high-street, they are shopping online and visiting their own kitchen instead. A large number of villages don't even have a shop or a café.
There is also the fact that people are paying to heat & light their homes all day when they would otherwise have been at the office, saving companies a fortune at the expense of their workforce. "
I’m pretty sure the light and heat are still on in the offices … |
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"The guy who managed to wipe £500million off his company's value many moons ago after slagging off the company products? That guy? Yeah I'm sure he knows what he's talking about "
That was Gerald ratner, who has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. |
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"The guy who managed to wipe £500million off his company's value many moons ago after slagging off the company products? That guy? Yeah I'm sure he knows what he's talking about
That was Gerald ratner, who has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. "
He might join in yet. |
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By *lynJMan 25 weeks ago
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"Personally, I think that people being at work in company offices is beneficial, especially when those offices are near town centers & places with shops & eateries. It would boost the trade in highstreets etc...
On the other hand, many people enjoy not having to spend hours commuting.
Also, many organisations have raken the opportunity to downsize their offices, leaving considerably less seats than bums.
Cal
People still shop and have coffee … but they use local outlets in villages and towns instead of cities.
And the emission savings from reduced travel levels has to be a positive
On the other hand, reduced social interaction must be having a negative impact on people's mental health.
Also most people working from home are not visiting small local businesses instead of the high-street, they are shopping online and visiting their own kitchen instead. A large number of villages don't even have a shop or a café.
There is also the fact that people are paying to heat & light their homes all day when they would otherwise have been at the office, saving companies a fortune at the expense of their workforce.
I’m pretty sure the light and heat are still on in the offices … "
Not ours. They close 2 of the 3 floors on Monday and Friday. No lights on (motion detector) either day. Heating? What's that? |
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"The guy who managed to wipe £500million off his company's value many moons ago after slagging off the company products? That guy? Yeah I'm sure he knows what he's talking about
That was Gerald ratner, who has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. "
That's who the OP named, yes. |
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