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The NHS isn't drowning it's dead? Thoughts?
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I hugely value the hard work that the hard working people of the UK have put into keeping the NHS floating, staff working long shifts, early & lates , trying to keep patients safe and healthy but I don't think it's drowning, I think it dead.
People are dying because of huge appointment times. A&E has 20h wait times or more in some places and the care can only be so good when we have Healthcare workers who are only capable of doing so much in one day.
I think we as the British public should be absolutely appalled at what is happening to this fantastic healthcare we have payed out tax money into for our entire lives, when its your mother, child or loved one desperate for help we should all be able to get help when we need it! And the staff are absolutely fantastic I have to reiterate. But there is only so much they can do even with the fantastic individuals we have working in the NHS.
Honestly there's no solution, I don't have a fix! It's more of a moan! We can blame GPs for not doing more perhaps but they have their own issues! It's the government and private industry that want you paying insurance fees that will benefit from the NHS going down! It's so sad to see I just wish there was more we could do today save it! I guess this is a rant and I apologise if I step on anyone's toes with this but it needs talking about |
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My partner was taken ill on Wednesday and ambulance arrived with in 30mins. The paramedics were brilliant they got her in to a&e and was seen within an hour. She was admitted to a ward and they are doing a wonderful job. So I don't agree that the NHS is dead  |
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"My partner was taken ill on Wednesday and ambulance arrived with in 30mins. The paramedics were brilliant they got her in to a&e and was seen within an hour. She was admitted to a ward and they are doing a wonderful job. So I don't agree that the NHS is dead "
That is fantastic news! I'm not saying there is no edge case where service can't be excellent, I just think on average it seems to be hard to get it back up and running , I have family and friends who work in various hospitals and they are all really struggling with the workload and hours. I'm really glad there is some light from your response though |
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We pay pennies from working tax into the NHS, like literally. And it's a service that'll pay thousands for everything from checking your blood pressure to giving you a heart transplant for free in this country, and yet folk still bitch... If you're not happy with the level of your free national health care? Then pay private, because you have that choice vs countries where it's the only choice  |
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By *ruffle888Woman 34 weeks ago
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Nhs nurse 30yrs..
Exhausted
I can't fix all your problems, so please when you see a gp nurse don't come in with a shopping list of problems.
Worse I've seen it.
I phoned for 999 ambulance for a pt, was put in hold and told unsure when one could turn up (pt had chest pains).
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By *oxy jWoman 34 weeks ago
somerset |
too many over bloated wages for non medical staff ... alot of money is wasted too ... they money is there its just not spent right ... bank work for instance is shocking no wonder some only do bank work ...
needs who ever gets in next needs to give it a shake get rid of the parasites that feed off it get back to doing the job it was intended for looking after sick people...
the mental health side of it is a real shit show |
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By (user no longer on site) 34 weeks ago
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We are lucky to have it but the cultures are circling.
How do you prime something for a take over? You make it so that the only alternative is that it has no choice but to go private.
We already have a two tier system in the UK.
It’s fantastic to hear of NHS success stories but without the people who hold it together ( and I don’t mean the government) it wouldn’t exist |
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My mate moved to the US and her partner with no health care payed 20k for a broken wrist... If you want to pay 20 thousand pounds for a very straight forward treatment then move there OP. Personally I do not, and if it takes 20hrs waiting time for me not to pay 20k, I'm good with that  |
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What was it's excuse 5 years ago. My GP had appointment wait times of 7 weeks at a minium it was usually toward 8, by which time you were either better or the illness you did have couldn't be treated.
The same went for prescriptions, lead times of 5 days. It's actually improved now where pharmacy's are getting them in 24 hrs but to order prescriptions so far in advance was a minefield.
Thinking about it, I was going private 5 yrs ago as a simple cough wasn't be seen to. A persistent cough for 2 years and not one xray.
NHS in crisis is a catchphrase (half brought on from a pay issue), the patient experience isn't a modern phenomena - and neither are NHS Drs doing private medicine, which is where half the wait times stem from I'd say. |
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I think it's a reason that the conservatives are looking unlikely to be reelected. A majority of people realise what they have done to it. Things were better prior to 2010.
It's partly about education and having a long term plan, so that staff levels aren't so precariously low.
There's no quick fix but I think the population are reasonable for tax rises, to resource it to a more realistic level, for our current and future needs. |
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I have seen both sides...I have has issues myself which to be fair have been addressed by some wonderful individuals and the care I received was exemplary, however my daughter is a sister in a London hospital and tears her hair out onca daily basis!
The NHS is a wonderful thing with wonderful, dedicated staff but the management and governing bodies are atrocious. I hope it survives but have my doubts. |
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Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently  |
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"I think it's a reason that the conservatives are looking unlikely to be reelected. A majority of people realise what they have done to it. Things were better prior to 2010.
It's partly about education and having a long term plan, so that staff levels aren't so precariously low.
There's no quick fix but I think the population are reasonable for tax rises, to resource it to a more realistic level, for our current and future needs. "
The issue is it's such a huge complex issue, and tax rises may seem like a great easy fix! But let's face it they have mucked up this HS2 project and that should be something a modern government can handle! Others certainly can? the government financial illiteracy and corruption is enough to make anyone wince at the thought of them suggesting to just tax us more even at this point if it was morally right they will find a way to syphen it off somewhere else. |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently "
I don't understand your comments? Id really like to and I'm hoping we can have a good conversation where we can understand eachother a little better?
Yes it's fantastic that we have this free resource. But it isn't actually free? We contributed our entire lives through taxation, some people are dying on waiting lists for treatment and saying just go private isn't a reality for most working class people? Perhaps for some but not for all and the reality for allot of people they are dependent and desperate for help and the NHS cannot cater to them as it doesn't have the resources. You seem angry at the discussion and anyone who bashes the NHS? But none of us hate it we all love it and appreciate it's staff but the mismanagement of the finances is atrocious and staff are overworked for little benefit to themselves it's set up to fail and telling others to go private if you don't like it isn't productive or possible for allot of people.
I'd like to reiterate we fund the NHS it's not free your taxed pay for all these brilliant benefits and myself and allot of others would like they to continue but your type of argument will be the exact reason the government and people in power will claim just go private and pay and privatise this brilliant utility we have contributed to our entire lives! |
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I have had a mixed experience of the NHS. Overall it's been good though.
I don't know what the answer is apart from increased funding and a huge overhaul of management, recruitment and spending. I think easier access to health care within the community would help emergency medicine massively.
I see private health care being introduced by stealth one tiny step at a time though |
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When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
I don't understand your comments? Id really like to and I'm hoping we can have a good conversation where we can understand eachother a little better?
Yes it's fantastic that we have this free resource. But it isn't actually free? We contributed our entire lives through taxation, some people are dying on waiting lists for treatment and saying just go private isn't a reality for most working class people? Perhaps for some but not for all and the reality for allot of people they are dependent and desperate for help and the NHS cannot cater to them as it doesn't have the resources. You seem angry at the discussion and anyone who bashes the NHS? But none of us hate it we all love it and appreciate it's staff but the mismanagement of the finances is atrocious and staff are overworked for little benefit to themselves it's set up to fail and telling others to go private if you don't like it isn't productive or possible for allot of people.
I'd like to reiterate we fund the NHS it's not free your taxed pay for all these brilliant benefits and myself and allot of others would like they to continue but your type of argument will be the exact reason the government and people in power will claim just go private and pay and privatise this brilliant utility we have contributed to our entire lives! "
My earlier comments stated that we pay for it via taxes. As you're 29 vs my 45yrs I've been paying for it for longer than you, and I've probably used more of it services than you too. I'm not sure how you think an over utilised, and under funded service can/will continue to run long term though? The main issue is people take the piss because it's a free service, and so they treat it like one. If we started implementing fees for false call outs, and those who legit waste time and resources with stuff that's treatable via a chemists, or paying 90p for a packet of aspirin from the supermarket, it'd help a lot. |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. "
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I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS |
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It's crazy though - I paid nearly £200 for my cats last treatment at the vets. My friend is paying £85pmth for their dogs prescribed medication. I'd be fuming if I had to pay for that for myself!... Yet we bitch about the NHS?  |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
I don't understand your comments? Id really like to and I'm hoping we can have a good conversation where we can understand eachother a little better?
Yes it's fantastic that we have this free resource. But it isn't actually free? We contributed our entire lives through taxation, some people are dying on waiting lists for treatment and saying just go private isn't a reality for most working class people? Perhaps for some but not for all and the reality for allot of people they are dependent and desperate for help and the NHS cannot cater to them as it doesn't have the resources. You seem angry at the discussion and anyone who bashes the NHS? But none of us hate it we all love it and appreciate it's staff but the mismanagement of the finances is atrocious and staff are overworked for little benefit to themselves it's set up to fail and telling others to go private if you don't like it isn't productive or possible for allot of people.
I'd like to reiterate we fund the NHS it's not free your taxed pay for all these brilliant benefits and myself and allot of others would like they to continue but your type of argument will be the exact reason the government and people in power will claim just go private and pay and privatise this brilliant utility we have contributed to our entire lives!
My earlier comments stated that we pay for it via taxes. As you're 29 vs my 45yrs I've been paying for it for longer than you, and I've probably used more of it services than you too. I'm not sure how you think an over utilised, and under funded service can/will continue to run long term though? The main issue is people take the piss because it's a free service, and so they treat it like one. If we started implementing fees for false call outs, and those who legit waste time and resources with stuff that's treatable via a chemists, or paying 90p for a packet of aspirin from the supermarket, it'd help a lot. "
You see this is where we have some middle ground! I agree with this! Some people do take the piss! And I totally agree with those comments! I'm not suggesting the NHS can function long term when it's over used and under funded that was the point of my post!  I think we the people talking like this is the best thing we can do to try and push for better solutions than roling over and accepting tax as the solution or privatisation. Your suggestions are what is needed to be totally honest. I believe if you have payed into the NHS for 45 years when you need it it should be there for you as best it can and the case for many is its simply not anymore which is why I claimed the systems dead and not dying. |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. "
I 100% agree with this.
I don’t think the NHS is irreparably broken but it is highly dysfunctional and not joined up from a patients perspective at all. |
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"It's crazy though - I paid nearly £200 for my cats last treatment at the vets. My friend is paying £85pmth for their dogs prescribed medication. I'd be fuming if I had to pay for that for myself!... Yet we bitch about the NHS? "
You pay that because we don't all contribute to universal vet care! The reason we get free healthcare and people in other countries dont is because we pay for it via our taxes and they don't! ! If we all contributed Via taxs to vet care you'd have no bills for your pets like we don't for our healthcare bills. |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. .
I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS "
Nobody knew how Covid was going to go? Would you have preferred they'd done jack shit and potentially millions could have died? In my humble opinion the country did a bloody good job considering how they thought it would play out. And we weren't daft, every other country did the same measures. Or did you have some inside knowledge, or a crystal ball that World wide health officials didn't? |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. .
I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS
Nobody knew how Covid was going to go? Would you have preferred they'd done jack shit and potentially millions could have died? In my humble opinion the country did a bloody good job considering how they thought it would play out. And we weren't daft, every other country did the same measures. Or did you have some inside knowledge, or a crystal ball that World wide health officials didn't? "
I don't understand this message? Can you please explain? I didn't have a crystal ball?
I'm saying funds were miss managed and equipment that was desperately needed wasn't given to front line staff for months when they were afraid and desperately needed it? Yet the companies paid to supply these items were paid huge amounts and didn't deliver on their promises! I'm saying corruption of the financial aspects from governments to privatisations of healthcare equipment are the issue! Not the people not the workers! I don't understand how this is controversial to you? |
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"It's crazy though - I paid nearly £200 for my cats last treatment at the vets. My friend is paying £85pmth for their dogs prescribed medication. I'd be fuming if I had to pay for that for myself!... Yet we bitch about the NHS?
You pay that because we don't all contribute to universal vet care! The reason we get free healthcare and people in other countries dont is because we pay for it via our taxes and they don't! ! If we all contributed Via taxs to vet care you'd have no bills for your pets like we don't for our healthcare bills. "
Of course we'd still have pet health care bills. Not everyone has pets?! Do you think my neighbour without ones would like to pay for mine? And yes, it's good that we all pay towards the NHS, because I'm bloody sure I'd not be wanting to pay 800 quid for my coil to prevent pregnancy like they have to in the US. |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. .
I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS
Nobody knew how Covid was going to go? Would you have preferred they'd done jack shit and potentially millions could have died? In my humble opinion the country did a bloody good job considering how they thought it would play out. And we weren't daft, every other country did the same measures. Or did you have some inside knowledge, or a crystal ball that World wide health officials didn't?
I don't understand this message? Can you please explain? I didn't have a crystal ball?
I'm saying funds were miss managed and equipment that was desperately needed wasn't given to front line staff for months when they were afraid and desperately needed it? Yet the companies paid to supply these items were paid huge amounts and didn't deliver on their promises! I'm saying corruption of the financial aspects from governments to privatisations of healthcare equipment are the issue! Not the people not the workers! I don't understand how this is controversial to you? "
Right, could you single handly have done a better job then? Or could you overhaul the NHS, or taxes? If you think you can then apply to be an MP. There are soo many failings in this country, but we're still so lucky compared to some. |
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By (user no longer on site) 34 weeks ago
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One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. .
I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS
Nobody knew how Covid was going to go? Would you have preferred they'd done jack shit and potentially millions could have died? In my humble opinion the country did a bloody good job considering how they thought it would play out. And we weren't daft, every other country did the same measures. Or did you have some inside knowledge, or a crystal ball that World wide health officials didn't?
I don't understand this message? Can you please explain? I didn't have a crystal ball?
I'm saying funds were miss managed and equipment that was desperately needed wasn't given to front line staff for months when they were afraid and desperately needed it? Yet the companies paid to supply these items were paid huge amounts and didn't deliver on their promises! I'm saying corruption of the financial aspects from governments to privatisations of healthcare equipment are the issue! Not the people not the workers! I don't understand how this is controversial to you?
Right, could you single handly have done a better job then? Or could you overhaul the NHS, or taxes? If you think you can then apply to be an MP. There are soo many failings in this country, but we're still so lucky compared to some. "
No I couldn't have single handly done a better job no one could? And I don't think you're understanding my point? I have no argument that we are better off than other countries I'm sure people in Africa or the congo or other nations would love our NHS that's not even an argument? I'm saying we are a first world nation that have a HUGE amount of taxation and we deserve better than to let out working class suffer through diseases cancers and pandemics because of the failings of rich men is suits! I don't think we are going to come to any agreement at this point I'm starting to believe your more interested in winning whatever this is than having a productive chat so have a wonderful evening and all the best |
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"Honestly there's no solution, I don't have a fix! It's more of a moan! We can blame GPs for not doing more perhaps but they have their own issues! It's the government and private industry that want you paying insurance fees that will benefit from the NHS going down! It's so sad to see I just wish there was more we could do today save it! I guess this is a rant and I apologise if I step on anyone's toes with this but it needs talking about "
its certainly not your local gp to blame
only people that you can blame is the gov for farming it out to the private sector more and more.
they want the american system here where you get it if you work, if you dont its everyone at the hypermarket just to get some sort of health care.
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"One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
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It's not due to not a lack of NHS dental nurses. It's due to the privatisation of all dental treatment. It's now big business, and it's not financially lucrative for dentists to not be private clients only. The average waiting list for NHS new patients is nearly 2yrs. So when folk moan about the NHS this is where we are heading long term in regards to all health care. We will end up at a state where we're 'emergency point of contact treatment'. Which will mean we'll get seen whilst having a heart attack, but we will get discharged as soon as we're stable, and if we can't pay for medication after then it's tough. |
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"When things work well it is wonderful and there are lots of hard working and amazing caring individuals. Not always though and some staff and especially consultants think they are gods gift, have no empathy and can't get rid of you quickly enough when you eiventually manage to see them. Then when you go back for your next appointmentn, it is someone else with no clue as they never read notes before your appointment. These are the sort of issues people I know have faced and that is disheartening after months, if not years of waiting to be seen which is also a big issue as everypne knows. As others said, I rather we fix it even if it means more direct taxes for it than to have the alternative. I want a society where people are treated equally when it comes to their health care so I don't believe in the two tier system. I gave up my private health insurance I had from work years back. It might sound stupid to some but we are all different and that is fine. You can see what happened to dental treatment. I don't want the rest to go the same way. Nornally I do not post on this sort of threads on here but for me education and the health of the nation are two things that we must do everything we can to ensure that everyone has free and equal access to. .
I think this is brilliant and definitely something I support! My only concern is taxation being the solution, I don't trust this or any government personally to manage a merry go round! Funds seem to magically go missing for everything that goes through the system, MP's friends get to take on work they shouldn't and I just see this being a hole that a tax solution cannot fill other than hurting working class people more? In the middle of a cost of living crisis! We managed to waste millions or even billions on equipment that was never used in COVID that was desperately needed and it was all the fault of a corrupt government and my concern is we agree to tax rises to solve this issue and it's just mismanaged yet again and politicians managed to pockrf finds we thought were going to fix our NHS
Nobody knew how Covid was going to go? Would you have preferred they'd done jack shit and potentially millions could have died? In my humble opinion the country did a bloody good job considering how they thought it would play out. And we weren't daft, every other country did the same measures. Or did you have some inside knowledge, or a crystal ball that World wide health officials didn't?
I don't understand this message? Can you please explain? I didn't have a crystal ball?
I'm saying funds were miss managed and equipment that was desperately needed wasn't given to front line staff for months when they were afraid and desperately needed it? Yet the companies paid to supply these items were paid huge amounts and didn't deliver on their promises! I'm saying corruption of the financial aspects from governments to privatisations of healthcare equipment are the issue! Not the people not the workers! I don't understand how this is controversial to you?
Right, could you single handly have done a better job then? Or could you overhaul the NHS, or taxes? If you think you can then apply to be an MP. There are soo many failings in this country, but we're still so lucky compared to some. "
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"One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
It's not due to not a lack of NHS dental nurses. It's due to the privatisation of all dental treatment. It's now big business, and it's not financially lucrative for dentists to not be private clients only. The average waiting list for NHS new patients is nearly 2yrs. So when folk moan about the NHS this is where we are heading long term in regards to all health care. We will end up at a state where we're 'emergency point of contact treatment'. Which will mean we'll get seen whilst having a heart attack, but we will get discharged as soon as we're stable, and if we can't pay for medication after then it's tough. "
It is due to the lack of NHS dental nurses, mainly because it's more lucrative for these professionals to treat private patients only. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people suffering who can not afford to go private, hence the calls to 111. The government needs to step up and give the dental nurses some incentive to treat NHS patients x
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"One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
It's not due to not a lack of NHS dental nurses. It's due to the privatisation of all dental treatment. It's now big business, and it's not financially lucrative for dentists to not be private clients only. The average waiting list for NHS new patients is nearly 2yrs. So when folk moan about the NHS this is where we are heading long term in regards to all health care. We will end up at a state where we're 'emergency point of contact treatment'. Which will mean we'll get seen whilst having a heart attack, but we will get discharged as soon as we're stable, and if we can't pay for medication after then it's tough.
It is due to the lack of NHS dental nurses, mainly because it's more lucrative for these professionals to treat private patients only. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people suffering who can not afford to go private, hence the calls to 111. The government needs to step up and give the dental nurses some incentive to treat NHS patients x
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That's basically what I'd said. And the government isn't going to do jack shit. Dentists get I believe £33 per treatment ish from the NHS, vs £90 ish vs private patients. There's no way they're going back, personally I'd be happy to pay £50 more a month in taxes from my pay towards a better class of health care. But there would be many who would not, or bitch that it was too much. Or still complain their free health care in this country isn't good enough |
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"One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
It's not due to not a lack of NHS dental nurses. It's due to the privatisation of all dental treatment. It's now big business, and it's not financially lucrative for dentists to not be private clients only. The average waiting list for NHS new patients is nearly 2yrs. So when folk moan about the NHS this is where we are heading long term in regards to all health care. We will end up at a state where we're 'emergency point of contact treatment'. Which will mean we'll get seen whilst having a heart attack, but we will get discharged as soon as we're stable, and if we can't pay for medication after then it's tough.
It is due to the lack of NHS dental nurses, mainly because it's more lucrative for these professionals to treat private patients only. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people suffering who can not afford to go private, hence the calls to 111. The government needs to step up and give the dental nurses some incentive to treat NHS patients x
That's basically what I'd said. And the government isn't going to do jack shit. Dentists get I believe £33 per treatment ish from the NHS, vs £90 ish vs private patients. There's no way they're going back, personally I'd be happy to pay £50 more a month in taxes from my pay towards a better class of health care. But there would be many who would not, or bitch that it was too much. Or still complain their free health care in this country isn't good enough "
There are so many things that could be done to support our NHS, but there are also a lot of people who wouldn't agree to changes that cost them money x |
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By *u78Woman 34 weeks ago
NORTHAMPTON |
I work in the NHS, in a department with 10+ people on 40k each. They sit and do fuck all each day whilst I am run ragged as am in a low paid job. There is enough money put into the NHS, but a lot of bloody wastage. It's disgusting |
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"One of our children is a 111 call handler.
There is a high percentage of calls made to 111 for mental health and dental issues.
This is due to the lack of support in mental health and not enough NHS dental nurses.
Think the NHS needs a huge revamp.
Dedicated mental health lines.
Encouragement for people to become dental nurses.
Our child often says their shift is over manned. Dread to think how much money is wasted.
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Could they send some of the surplus 111 people to our area then? On the few occasions we've used 111, we've been advised that response times are longer than typical due to lack of staffing. |
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I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ? |
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ? "
Cancer treatment is insane! 100k plus easy!
My mum bitched about paying £4.86 a week top up on carers 
And she was a nurse! I think folk forget how good we have it here a lot. There's folk in other countries getting fuck all |
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ? "
The NHS is funded by general taxation, national insurance, prescription charges and NHS dentistry charges. So while a person who needs a lot of treatment might not have paid the equivalent amount in, the cost is still covered by the tax and national insurance pot. |
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ?
Cancer treatment is insane! 100k plus easy!
My mum bitched about paying £4.86 a week top up on carers
And she was a nurse! I think folk forget how good we have it here a lot. There's folk in other countries getting fuck all "
But when you get told your problem needs surgery but we are not doing elective surgeries so a consultant might be in contact in 9 months. Just wait. That to me is getting fuck all treatment. But am still paying in to the said pot.
And all the money is spent on other thing's, like sex change, and IVF. |
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My elderly neighbour was collapsed on the kitchen floor. I could see him through the kitchen window. I couldn't get inside, the house was locked. He was naked and only able to make deep grunt noises to let me know he was alive. I obviously called 999 for a ambulance. At which point I was told it wasn't an emergency because he was conscious. I was to wait for a call back.
Utterly panicked I called 999 again for the fire brigade to come brake in, a hour later they was at the house, door opened, ordering a ambulance. In total it took 3 hours.
Turns out he'd had a stroke, 83 years old, alone on the floor all night, almost 24 hours from start to finish. He died last week, 2 days after. I'm still waiting for the call back.
If a elderly man, naked, on the floor, unable to move and communicate isn't an emergency I don't know what is. We are stunned, unbelievably sad and angry. Theres no hope now a days, I'm frightened about how the nhs can move forward, if at all.
They don't delay taking our 41% tax every month tho 
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I think the two biggest causes of the issues.
1: the amount of bureaucracy and red tape is just ridiculous money wasted with stupid policies and procurement, and a top heavy management structure.
2: people using the service who don't pay into it and never have.
I'm not talking about people with a disability or learning disability or no fault issues.
I'm talking about people who have never worked, never intend to work and are usually the ones who complain the loudest.
Let's be honest the Tory party have been intentionally causing red tape to foul up the system to justify private medical care forcing us to pay whilst still paying NI , example why is the GP service in such a state of disarray?
It's a shambles
Example:
I did an econsult for it took them almost two weeks to reply then to be told that there's a minimum 4 week wait to be GIVEN an appointment and then another 4+ weeks wait once I get an appointment so that's almost 3 months for a routine appointment.
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ?
Cancer treatment is insane! 100k plus easy!
My mum bitched about paying £4.86 a week top up on carers
And she was a nurse! I think folk forget how good we have it here a lot. There's folk in other countries getting fuck all
But when you get told your problem needs surgery but we are not doing elective surgeries so a consultant might be in contact in 9 months. Just wait. That to me is getting fuck all treatment. But am still paying in to the said pot.
And all the money is spent on other thing's, like sex change, and IVF."
I'm pretty sure the NHS doesn't fund either of those things? |
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'Rightie' fifth columninists with a disruptive agenda are putting about stories of the failure of the NHS whilst toadying up to their capitalist taskmasters who are intent on destroying it as part of there(sic) right whingers(sic) agenda. They want us to loose(sic) it! |
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Unfortunately this is a political decision we’ve taken as a society over the last 13 years. We could fund and manage public services properly but we choose not to. Every time the majority elected the current bunch of numpties they made a decision to further push the NHS to its doom. The Tories stand for a small state and the benefit of the asset owning class. They are ideologically opposed to the existence of public institutions like the NHS or the BBC.
They want to eradicate both.
Now the political pendulum has swung so far away from the NHS that labour are adopting the same bs.
We’ll end up with an American privatised healthcare system in a few parliaments.
Where’s the money coming from then? I hear you say.
At the moment someone earning 38k is in the same tax bracket at someone earning 100k+. Does this seem sensible?
We’ve got countless massive global corporations earning billions in the uk without hardly paying a pound in tax.
We’ve got a whole landlord class siphoning up all the property in this country and worsening a housing crisis for the majority.
How about we take back some of the colossal wealth from the undeserving and give it back to the working poor?
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ?
Cancer treatment is insane! 100k plus easy!
My mum bitched about paying £4.86 a week top up on carers
And she was a nurse! I think folk forget how good we have it here a lot. There's folk in other countries getting fuck all
But when you get told your problem needs surgery but we are not doing elective surgeries so a consultant might be in contact in 9 months. Just wait. That to me is getting fuck all treatment. But am still paying in to the said pot.
And all the money is spent on other thing's, like sex change, and IVF."
Well that's simply not true and a flame thrower of a comment isn't it. If your surgery is elective then it's not life threatening is it?
All the money is spent os sex changes and IVF? What's your real agenda here?
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All we hear are when things go wrong. I have never had an issue getting a GP appointment and anything that may, just may be cancer then I have seen a consultant within the 14 days. Too many people attend A & E when there is no need.
In France the system is fantastic no matter what the issue, however, we pay more and even a visit to the GP costs a euro. |
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"Unfortunately this is a political decision we’ve taken as a society over the last 13 years. We could fund and manage public services properly but we choose not to. Every time the majority elected the current bunch of numpties they made a decision to further push the NHS to its doom. The Tories stand for a small state and the benefit of the asset owning class. They are ideologically opposed to the existence of public institutions like the NHS or the BBC.
They want to eradicate both.
Now the political pendulum has swung so far away from the NHS that labour are adopting the same bs.
We’ll end up with an American privatised healthcare system in a few parliaments.
Where’s the money coming from then? I hear you say.
At the moment someone earning 38k is in the same tax bracket at someone earning 100k+. Does this seem sensible?
We’ve got countless massive global corporations earning billions in the uk without hardly paying a pound in tax.
We’ve got a whole landlord class siphoning up all the property in this country and worsening a housing crisis for the majority.
How about we take back some of the colossal wealth from the undeserving and give it back to the working poor?
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Freedom for Tooting (fist) |
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Can we just agree that whenever someone says it's free, we know they mean free at point of use and are absolutely aware that they pay for the NHS through their taxes. I can't think of anyone living in the UK that isn't aware of this and it would save the OP's thumbs having to keep stating it |
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"I think a lot of people who post on here . Do not realise costs of actual NHS treatments. If compared to private costs or if in another country ?
As others have said apart from prescriptions. NHS is free no matter if go to hospital say for a bad cut or need something serious like heart attack.
If in other countries you will get massive charges if do not have insurance that covers ?
Yes people say they pay thru taxes and national insurance. Does the amount paid say by a person in a lifetime cover ( if needed) cost of say cancer treatment ?
Cancer treatment is insane! 100k plus easy!
My mum bitched about paying £4.86 a week top up on carers
And she was a nurse! I think folk forget how good we have it here a lot. There's folk in other countries getting fuck all
But when you get told your problem needs surgery but we are not doing elective surgeries so a consultant might be in contact in 9 months. Just wait. That to me is getting fuck all treatment. But am still paying in to the said pot.
And all the money is spent on other thing's, like sex change, and IVF.
Well that's simply not true and a flame thrower of a comment isn't it. If your surgery is elective then it's not life threatening is it?
All the money is spent os sex changes and IVF? What's your real agenda here?
Evie "
No it the fact I live now in physical pain like so meany do just waiting and lots is spent on other non life threatening services.
A friend of some one I know has had 2 free goes and is due one more.
My point is is the service now not up to demands I am looking at going private. But at what cost.. |
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"We pay pennies from working tax into the NHS, like literally. And it's a service that'll pay thousands for everything from checking your blood pressure to giving you a heart transplant for free in this country, and yet folk still bitch... If you're not happy with the level of your free national health care? Then pay private, because you have that choice vs countries where it's the only choice "
My experience is private is cheaper and better for everything except the really bad stuff.
Even between contracts with no healthcare you spend a fraction on cash plans, but if sinethibg really bad happens or you have no income or family to help them the nhs can be useful |
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"We pay pennies from working tax into the NHS, like literally. And it's a service that'll pay thousands for everything from checking your blood pressure to giving you a heart transplant for free in this country, and yet folk still bitch... If you're not happy with the level of your free national health care? Then pay private, because you have that choice vs countries where it's the only choice
My experience is private is cheaper and better for everything except the really bad stuff.
Even between contracts with no healthcare you spend a fraction on cash plans, but if sinethibg really bad happens or you have no income or family to help them the nhs can be useful "
Fascinated as to how private can be cheaper. Must check that out re dentists and opticians.
Or, are we talking about hospital car parking? |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently "
Well said and totally agree 100% |
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I am very lucky to have private health care through my husband's work (couldn't afford it otherwise).
I recently had a lump near my boob, I didn't go to the NHS about it, because I almost knew it wasn't anything sinister but linked to my Hidradenitis Suppurativa, doughnut of course was worried it could be something else, so I went private to get it scanned etc because I wasn't going to take away a slot on the NHS for something I was almost certain just a sac of fluid near my boob. Now I sound like I have money to flitter away, it cost us £100 as it was my first claim for the year but for £100 to take a little strain of the NHS and fit peace of mind, I'd say it was money well spent x |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
Well said and totally agree 100% "
This sums up the problem with public perception of the NHS : the notion that it's 'free' (it isn't - far from it). So people tolerate a third rate service saying "but it's free". NO!! What we want is an effective healthcare service in which you can get an appointment and get-follow-up treatment promptly and effectively. A bit like everywhere else in the developed world. |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
Well said and totally agree 100%
This sums up the problem with public perception of the NHS : the notion that it's 'free' (it isn't - far from it). So people tolerate a third rate service saying "but it's free". NO!! What we want is an effective healthcare service in which you can get an appointment and get-follow-up treatment promptly and effectively. A bit like everywhere else in the developed world."
Yes well if people started to take responsibility for their health by not booking GPs for minor things like coughs and colds...people who actually needed to see a GP would be able to and not end up clogging up the emergency departments. Not to mention the number of appointments which are wasted by people booking appointments then not turning up for them. Couple that with the fact that people these days are by and large entitled and rude and think they're entitled to speak to staff like shit then what you have is people no longer wanting to work in such a shit environment... leading to staff shortages, further drain on the staff who are left causing burn out and numerous mental health issues. |
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By *assy69Man 34 weeks ago
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I’ve only ever really needed the NHS twice in my life for anything serious, one potentially life changing, the other potentially fatal. I admit that my most recent interaction was 7 years ago now, but I have nothing but admiration for the speed of the ambulance, the quick thinking of paramedics and the dedicated care of the nurses and the doctors they do a fabulous job making the best of what they have. Does the NHS need an overhaul? Quite probably, it is an outdated system not designed for the world in which we now find ourselves living with life expectancy increased and the associated problems around this, never mind all of the other health issues that are so much more prevalent now…… but as OP said at the start, there is no easy solution as far as I can see |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
Well said and totally agree 100%
This sums up the problem with public perception of the NHS : the notion that it's 'free' (it isn't - far from it). So people tolerate a third rate service saying "but it's free". NO!! What we want is an effective healthcare service in which you can get an appointment and get-follow-up treatment promptly and effectively. A bit like everywhere else in the developed world.
Yes well if people started to take responsibility for their health by not booking GPs for minor things like coughs and colds...people who actually needed to see a GP would be able to and not end up clogging up the emergency departments. Not to mention the number of appointments which are wasted by people booking appointments then not turning up for them. Couple that with the fact that people these days are by and large entitled and rude and think they're entitled to speak to staff like shit then what you have is people no longer wanting to work in such a shit environment... leading to staff shortages, further drain on the staff who are left causing burn out and numerous mental health issues. "
I fully agree. But the mindset is "why bother looking after your health when fixing the problem is free"? As for staff burn-out, well ALL jobs are tough, that's why people are paid to do jobs on our behalf. |
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By *luefire2Couple 34 weeks ago
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I got referred to the emergency eye hosp 2 months ago after a routine eye test.
I was in the next day, seen to, treated and put on the urgent list for trabeculectomy surgery on my left eye. I had my surgery last Wed and I can't fault the NHS at all! I am so grateful for the speedy treatment and all of the post op care I am getting now.
I just wish that those who work in the NHS were paid what they deserve and treated better x
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By *oozleMan 34 weeks ago
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Personally for me, as i care for my elderly mother, I have both good and bad experiences, though mostly the good.
The problem with the NHS is due to lack of investment, contract costs, mismanagement of funds at high level etc. we need to figure out a way to improve the pay for the people that do the work such as nurses, junior doctors etc.
The important thing to note though, is that in a world where most people still struggle to afford a basic human right such as a healthcare, the NHS still shines a bright torch for me. |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
Well said and totally agree 100%
This sums up the problem with public perception of the NHS : the notion that it's 'free' (it isn't - far from it). So people tolerate a third rate service saying "but it's free". NO!! What we want is an effective healthcare service in which you can get an appointment and get-follow-up treatment promptly and effectively. A bit like everywhere else in the developed world.
Yes well if people started to take responsibility for their health by not booking GPs for minor things like coughs and colds...people who actually needed to see a GP would be able to and not end up clogging up the emergency departments. Not to mention the number of appointments which are wasted by people booking appointments then not turning up for them. Couple that with the fact that people these days are by and large entitled and rude and think they're entitled to speak to staff like shit then what you have is people no longer wanting to work in such a shit environment... leading to staff shortages, further drain on the staff who are left causing burn out and numerous mental health issues.
I fully agree. But the mindset is "why bother looking after your health when fixing the problem is free"? As for staff burn-out, well ALL jobs are tough, that's why people are paid to do jobs on our behalf. "
That mindset needs to change.... some jobs are tougher than others... |
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I'm a healthcare worker and I go to various departments in the nhs to work. One thing that strikes me is how appointments are abused and wasted.
People don't turn up or cancel the appointments and they could be given to other people who are desperately having to wait longer times.
Or they just stroll in late and expect everyone to fit round them, then get arsey when told no, because there's people who came on time waiting for their slots.
I don't know what the answer is, but there's no consequences at the min if you do just not turn up, even if you've done it before.
It's very selfish to do.
Also as people above have mentioned, management on big salaries walking round with clipboards during shifts, but not actually doing much to help the areas that are really short staffed.
I'd have much more respect for them if they put on some ppe and actually mucked in to help out, even for half an hour or so.
It does need some improvements, but we are very lucky to have the nhs. In other countries you pay to even see a gp for an appointment, so some can't afford to get ill.
Whoever gets in next will have a job on their hands trying to undo all the damage from this last 14 years. |
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"We pay pennies from working tax into the NHS, like literally. And it's a service that'll pay thousands for everything from checking your blood pressure to giving you a heart transplant for free in this country, and yet folk still bitch... If you're not happy with the level of your free national health care? Then pay private, because you have that choice vs countries where it's the only choice
My experience is private is cheaper and better for everything except the really bad stuff.
Even between contracts with no healthcare you spend a fraction on cash plans, but if sinethibg really bad happens or you have no income or family to help them the nhs can be useful
Fascinated as to how private can be cheaper. Must check that out re dentists and opticians.
Or, are we talking about hospital car parking?"
I’m just going on what I spend - since feb I’ve not had any healthcare cover, It was costing around £10,000 a year I’ve just decided not to bother renewing as I wasn’t working.
Since then I’ve been to the doctors twice at $15 a time and I’ve been to the dentist and that was about $70. I’ve got some tablets for migraine for less than $5 And I got an IV vitamin shot for $30 when I had a bad hangover
I’ve not had to book for any of those just walk straight in brilliant service fast and efficient |
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"Many countries do not have free health care. We are a tiny country really. With free health care, subsidised this that and the other, free payments for those that either can't or don't want to work. Prescription prices capped for those that pay... I mean what's the issue, really? We are beyond lucky compared to some countries. Yet it's not enough apparently
Well said and totally agree 100%
This sums up the problem with public perception of the NHS : the notion that it's 'free' (it isn't - far from it). So people tolerate a third rate service saying "but it's free". NO!! What we want is an effective healthcare service in which you can get an appointment and get-follow-up treatment promptly and effectively. A bit like everywhere else in the developed world."
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