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"Which species of bear? " One that shits in the woods. Which rules out a polar bear. | |||
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"Which species of bear? One that shits in the woods. Which rules out a polar bear." Kodiak it is then  | |||
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"Which species of bear? One that shits in the woods. Which rules out a polar bear. Kodiak it is then "How about a brown (grizzly), black, spectacled, sloth bear or giant panda? They all live in woods/forests... Sun bears and Andean bears don't really live in forests. Koala bears aren't actually bears. I think I'll take the bear anyway. Statistically, you're far more likely to be killed by a strange man in a wood than you are a wild bear. | |||
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"Which species of bear? One that shits in the woods. Which rules out a polar bear. Kodiak it is then
How about a brown (grizzly), black, spectacled, sloth bear or giant panda? They all live in woods/forests...
Sun bears and Andean bears don't really live in forests. Koala bears aren't actually bears.
I think I'll take the bear anyway. Statistically, you're far more likely to be killed by a strange man in a wood than you are a wild bear. "Might as well make it the pinnacle of apex predators on the bear scale if we are going to go to such a dramatic effect with regards to men too. | |||
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" Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. " Despite my jesting that statistic is hopelessly flawed. For a start, there are far more men than bears in North America; that includes the sum of all bear species there. There are about 165 million males in North America alone whilst there are only 200,000 brown bears worldwide. Even though they're much more populous there are only about 1 million black bears worldwide. On average, how many men does a woman need to encounter in her lifetime before something "bad" happened? That number would need to be compared against how many wild bears a woman would need to encounter in her lifetime before something "bad" happened. That would be statistically relevant. | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim? "So much this. I've had situations where people or animals have been nervous in my presence. I try to be non threatening. I don't bitch and moan. I assume they've had a bad experience and try to be better. | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim?
So much this.
I've had situations where people or animals have been nervous in my presence. I try to be non threatening. I don't bitch and moan. I assume they've had a bad experience and try to be better."I don’t know what to say but this hypothetical scenario has shown us a lot. Probably not a lot we didn’t know tbf | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim?
So much this.
I've had situations where people or animals have been nervous in my presence. I try to be non threatening. I don't bitch and moan. I assume they've had a bad experience and try to be better.
I don’t know what to say but this hypothetical scenario has shown us a lot. Probably not a lot we didn’t know tbf "Yeah. Same shit different day  | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim?
So much this.
I've had situations where people or animals have been nervous in my presence. I try to be non threatening. I don't bitch and moan. I assume they've had a bad experience and try to be better.
I don’t know what to say but this hypothetical scenario has shown us a lot. Probably not a lot we didn’t know tbf
Yeah. Same shit different day "Fucking snowflakes. Literally crying about everything. | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it?" I jested because the situation described is not a hypothetical scenario. My derision started due to the language being used; the "random unknown man" had morphed into a "strange man" within a couple of paragraphs. The quote also only gave the reasons women gave for choosing the "random unknown man" (who became a "strange man") over the bear. It did not include any reasons given by women who chose "the man" over the bear. It's a trick that has been used by politicians, dictators, monarchs etc. since antiquity. For example, "would you rather live next door to x or y when the worst x will do is this but just look at what y is capable of". It doesn't matter if the language is casting aspersions over an entire culture, race, religion or - as in this case - a single sex. The entire premise is that because a minority of men are prepared to do bad things to women it should be assumed that all men are potentially willing to do so. "if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim?" If women in general feel unsafe around men maybe all the scaremongering is partially to blame. Now, I'm not an idiot - I realise there are bad people in this world and there are many women whose experiences will forever leave them fearful of men in general. But if any fear is based on propagandist material then maybe the authors of that material should be brought to account? I don't feel like a victim at all; I just wanted to provide a balanced viewpoint. | |||
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"please be aware that bears are wild animals and have no logic to their thinking, in fact if you happen to come across a bear cub on its own believe me its best you run for your motherfriggin life because the mother bear will come after you even when you have innocent intentions if she feels her cub is in any danger or harm" Most bears - even brown bears - will actively avoid humans as they know we're "bad news". Only polar bears are known to intentionally hunt humans as they have little fear of us due to being marine mammals. But you're right - most bear attacks are female bears trying to defend their cubs against a perceived threat. Shoot the bloomin' lot of them, I say  | |||
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"I wouldn't go into the woods. I just find this whole scenario a tad annoying. I get it's meant to show how a lot of women feel about men, and people are completely justified in how they feel. To me it just feels a little "all men are evil". Which is a bit sad. " Damn, you've obviously got out the wrong side of bed, bring back the sarcastic, scathing, fiesty Raven (or her friend Elf, or...) | |||
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" I just find this whole scenario a tad annoying. I get it's meant to show how a lot of women feel about men, and people are completely justified in how they feel. To me it just feels a little "all men are evil". Which is a bit sad. " This exactly. I left out the first line as I quite often walk in the woods with my dogs. 
Oh and if I was asked to choose I would choose thean over the bear any day. | |||
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"Not sure if this been posted already, but I only read this properly this evening And unfortunately I would pick the bear. There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. Its been morphed a bit now that its been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear. Almost without fail posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more then a strange man. But here are the top 10 reasons woman have given for choosing a bear over a man: 10) No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me. 9) No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack 8) A bears motives are easier to understand. 7) A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them. 6) I would not be forced to carry the bears babies to term in 27 states. 5) The bear will either kill me or leave me alone there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me. 4) Bears do not traffic women. 3) A bears friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining its life. 2) No one will question if the bear attack really happened. 1) The bear sees me as a human being. But here are a few others that are sad but true: If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions. The bear did not pretend to be my friend for months before hand. A bear would not film it and send it to his friends. NOW lets talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are literally part of sect of men that are the reason we chose the bear. When this question was posed, man or bear, to woman 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. 9 out of every 10. We cannot agree about hair color, makeup, or Taylor Swift but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this. In fact when asked 7 out of 10 did not even take time to think the answer was instantly bear. We understand the bear may kill us. We understand there are fates worse then dying. A bear will simply kill us or ignore us. Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. - Credit to the respective author" Wow I wasn’t expecting that when I read the title and it’s heartbreaking to read. It is a very sad reflection of things for 90% of the woman to pick a bear. I don’t know if that would still be true in an actual real life situation but I do see where they’re coming from with the points made on how both how some view others as objects and how the system have failed those that have been attacked as they are very valid, important points even if overall it’s been taken out of context. I can see why some may get upset because of how it picks and choose important facts and then frames them in an unfair manner. With the way it’s presented I would choose the bear over a random guy as it promotes the sweeping statements about all guys or majority are sadistically cruel abusers that don’t see woman as people. What heartbreaking about that, is not the horrible and false light it paints men in but instead causes division between men and woman, who focus on and argue over the language or the way it’s presented as hateful than discussing dealing with the very important points made in their proper context. So context, well for starters, yes there will be more crimes committed against woman by men then bears. That is largely because the female population doesn’t live within a mass society, cohabit with etc with bears. If they did and not with men then the stats would be drastically different as most of the bear population will happily attack, harm and do worse for very little reason, especially the young. However on the other hand it is only a small part of the male population that commit these horrendous crimes which isn’t mentioned. It also fails to mention the system that has failed those abused is comprised of people that aren’t just chauvinistic men, it’s not just men who have failed victims in this regard. Regardless of whether people can accept it or not, the world is no longer a male only run/ controlled society on many levels in the majority of the world. Again it’s the context of how things are framed. The same applies with this need to paint this false picture of extreme violent behaviour towards woman as the common characteristic of most guys. Which is a misrepresentation of the majority as those that do commit those types of crimes are as alien and estranged to me as they are to woman and most men feel the same as well as vehemently hating those that do commit these crimes. However instead of been treated as an ally, another person who wants to help see it end. All guys get grouped in with the offenders, marginalised, painted in a false light and often attacked for getting involved in the debates about these issue which creates division and people walking away. It always seem to be the way these days, spiteful tit for tat or sexism and that’s the worse crime really. Silly as it sounds but as a society divided by gender, bitter and fuled with hate for the opposite sex. With so many eager to spread hate about the other gender and deminish the opposite sex’s struggles, being so busy fighting amongst themselves rather then focused on solving each other issues together, united. Things are left open the minority of loons to dictate the laws of the land. Does any one honestly think the majority of Americans are against abortion? Against stringent police vetting system that works so a girl isn’t taken, abused and worse by a police officer? No same person would be, however they happen because anyone with sense is to busy fighting against each other, when they’re not the enemy and it left to the nut cases to decide or fall by the waste side. One of the saddest points after the horrendous crime was committed by that police officer, was rather then talking publicly in-depth, in parliament and in the courts how he was still an office, why the system in place was ignored, with those who failed or ignored that system being publicly charged with manslaughter for contributing to what happened (I don’t know if it eventually did). At the time there was a public debate on whether there should be a parliamentary discussion on a curfew in place for all men in Briton. Division and hate that helps no one. Just gives the offender a big group to hide within while radicalising other. Anyway, I’m glad I read the post as it highlights and reminds some very important and horrifying issue woman face all of the world. Sorry for the ramble and I don’t mean to offend anyone, obviously I don’t know what the guys reply’s where to the moms on the other chats, only OP’s view of there comments. However I’d be equally disgusted if they were as bad it sounded they were. Thinking about the scenario though of Man or Bear, you would think those guys who was offended as they pictured themselves as the random guy. That they would twig, one bear, two people, no clue if the bear is a killer bear, starving, has rabbis, needs to feed its cubs etc. The other person is keep the bear occupied, you can just safely walk out of the woods without risk of being hunted by the bear, mauled etc, which is kind of doing you favour as it’s one less bear to worry about even if things go south as you don’t have to deal with it. You can just go back to your normal felon free life, back to your family etc safely. Nothing every full proof but just seems a better deal for the strange guy than for anyone else in that situation to be fair and leave them to it? | |||
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"I choose the man. Most men would just say hello. Some would even save from the bear. " And then expect you to show your gratitude 
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"I choose the man. Most men would just say hello. Some would even save from the bear. And then expect you to show your gratitude
Evie "Dunno this day and age I think a lot of men be just Nahhh swerve that I don’t want to accused of harassment for helping. Crack on with the bear on your own  | |||
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"The entire premise is that because a minority of men are prepared to do bad things to women it should be assumed that all men are potentially willing to do so. if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim? If women in general feel unsafe around men maybe all the scaremongering is partially to blame. Now, I'm not an idiot - I realise there are bad people in this world and there are many women whose experiences will forever leave them fearful of men in general. But if any fear is based on propagandist material then maybe the authors of that material should be brought to account? I don't feel like a victim at all; I just wanted to provide a balanced viewpoint. " Don’t want to quote it all because that is looooong. But I don’t think the idea that men are a danger to women is propagandist. It comes from woman’s experiences and it comes from a world that blames women and doesn’t protect them. The dangers that men present to women are real. The dangers that men present to other men are real too fwiw. And it’s not to say anything about all men. But it in the case of women it’s certainly something that we cannot pretend doesn’t exist and expect them to live pretending so. At uni I found out that 1 in 3 women experience SA on university campuses for example. That’s a real experience that leads to caution when out etc. in the news they were talking recently about spiking and they were talking about the victims overwhelmingly being women. That’s a real threat that means women should be aware of and cautious about. My point isn’t that this is going to happen in this HYPOTHETICAL scenario. It’s that essentially the scenario highlights that there is, for many women, a fear that exists of men. And that’s been in general. And that isn’t because of propaganda it’s because of real, valid experiences. When Laura Bates wrote ‘men who hate women’ it wasn’t for propaganda. It was real life. When we read reports about VAWG it’s not released for propaganda, it’s released because it’s the real life dangerous shit that women and girls are experiencing. And if as a man you (general you) care about women, why get upset that women are scared of men and make yourself the victim when you can be part of the solution and stand in solidarity AND do the work to stop this from happening and educating others about the reality of women’s experiences. | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? I jested because the situation described is not a hypothetical scenario. My derision started due to the language being used; the "random unknown man" had morphed into a "strange man" within a couple of paragraphs. The quote also only gave the reasons women gave for choosing the "random unknown man" (who became a "strange man") over the bear. It did not include any reasons given by women who chose "the man" over the bear. It's a trick that has been used by politicians, dictators, monarchs etc. since antiquity. For example, "would you rather live next door to x or y when the worst x will do is this but just look at what y is capable of". It doesn't matter if the language is casting aspersions over an entire culture, race, religion or - as in this case - a single sex. The entire premise is that because a minority of men are prepared to do bad things to women it should be assumed that all men are potentially willing to do so. " BTW I don’t entirely disagree with your first point. But I think that the final sentence is one that reminds me of a quote about Ken keeping women in a perpetual state of fear. Women have to be cautious because they do not know which men are good simply by looking at them. And sometimes not even by interacting with them. So the perpetual state of fear exists because some men are dangerous but they do not wear badges or identifiers. The only identifier is that they are men. And so caution is normal. It’s the same as why our children are encouraged to exercise caution around strangers. Not because every single stranger is going to attack them or take them etc. but the threat is real enough that they need to be careful and exercise caution. It’s a threat real enough that means that a minority are making us act carefully around the majority. I don’t hold my daughter close and keep an eye on her everywhere and not let her run around the park or playground without watching her because I think every single person in the world is going to do something to her but because someone might and I need to be aware and cautious as a result. | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear" This, this and all of this!! If you've ever been gaslighted because you wore a skirt/dressed provocatively so it's your fault. You spoke to them so you must have led them on. You were flirting - no just being friendly. Mrs | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear" A lot of this resonates with me. I get the premise of the question I still find it a little off though. | |||
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"Also for the dad's on the group - how many of you tell your daughters to be careful when they are going out, to be sure to stick together with their mates, watch their drinks and get a taxi home if they are alone... Or tell them to call you and you will pick them up In essence the unspoken bit is 'be carefu....of men' When what you should be saying to your sons is, don't harass or attack any women! Yes I'm sure you tell yourcsons to be careful too... But again... Of other men" That’s a good point, no one ever prepares for for abuse to come from woman. It blame the sones, blame the dads. It’s their fault for everything. Your not alone with the key thing either  | |||
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"Also for the dad's on the group - how many of you tell your daughters to be careful when they are going out, to be sure to stick together with their mates, watch their drinks and get a taxi home if they are alone... Or tell them to call you and you will pick them up In essence the unspoken bit is 'be carefu....of men' When what you should be saying to your sons is, don't harass or attack any women! Yes I'm sure you tell yourcsons to be careful too... But again... Of other men That’s a good point, no one ever prepares for for abuse to come from woman. It blame the sones, blame the dads. It’s their fault for everything. Your not alone with the key thing either "Looks like that that schools teacher who abused two buys might actually be properly prosecuted. Small miracles, male abuse being taken serious for a change | |||
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"My question is- why do men care about this hypothetical scenario? If you’re a good guy, why do you care? If you’re harmless, why do you care? I genuinely don’t get it? if women feel unsafe around men, why do you have to make yourself the victim? "Because it's statistically flawed, or there's not enough detail about the hypothetical bear or hypothetical woods, or because women don't know their own minds... While all the while missing the crucial point the majority of answers is making, irrespective of the hammy way the question is making it. | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear" I've had two of these things happen. Something not on that list more than once too, something a hell of a lot of men or women despite the scaremongering won't have happen to them. I have reason to be fearful of people, men and women, I fucking hate people. I'm still not letting those fears cloud the fact that I realise the odds of that person (man or woman) randomly being a threat to me based upon the number of safe interactions I have with people all day every day. | |||
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"I've read this statement in a few different places now but mostly the message and the conversation around it is the same. The women are expected to choose the bear and if they don't they are wrong. Men are expected to know they are the problem, how they are the problem and how to fix it even though they aren't the problem. It's a very warped way of looking at a hypothetical situation from one person's skwed viewpoint. Not all woman are scared, not all men are the problem. People CAN be cunts, they need to do better but we can't blame everyone for some people's behaviour. " I'm surrounded by women. Daughters, sisters, cousins, friends and work colleagues. A couple of those have been physically assaulted by their partners but not one of them including those who have been attacked, see themselves as potential victims or all men as potential aggressors. Since this scenario first appeared online I've probably asked 25-30 different women including some I only know casually through work for their opinion on the scenario and the thought process behind it. Every single one of those women said it was the biggest load of social media shite they had heard and was typical of how easily people are manipulated. I've only ever been angry once on fab. That was a few years ago when following the brutal death of a young Irish woman there was a massive campaign including multiple forum threads with the tagline "she was only going for a run" and the part that made me angry was how so many people claimed their opinions weren't manipulated and driven by the media. Exactly one week before, a young Irish man who was the same age as the young woman was murdered in broad daylight when walking to the shop. Simply because there was nothing to be gained and it wouldn't have the same traction the media completely ignored that young man's death. At the time I said as the father of 2 daughters I was angry over the death of the young woman. I was equally as angry over the young mans death but I was also angry at the fact so many would have to run off and Google who he was because of the silence and the media picking and choosing their campaigns. So for anyone pretending that much off this isn't media driven or propagandised, give your head a wobble and grow up. | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear I've had two of these things happen. Something not on that list more than once too, something a hell of a lot of men or women despite the scaremongering won't have happen to them. I have reason to be fearful of people, men and women, I fucking hate people. I'm still not letting those fears cloud the fact that I realise the odds of that person (man or woman) randomly being a threat to me based upon the number of safe interactions I have with people all day every day." I'm sorry you've experienced shitty behaviour.. People can better utter arseholes... I've had some very very unpleasant experiences at the hands of men... but I choose to believe that the vast majority of men are decent human beings.. | |||
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"Also for the dad's on the group - how many of you tell your daughters to be careful when they are going out, to be sure to stick together with their mates, watch their drinks and get a taxi home if they are alone... Or tell them to call you and you will pick them up In essence the unspoken bit is 'be carefu....of men' When what you should be saying to your sons is, don't harass or attack any women! Yes I'm sure you tell yourcsons to be careful too... But again... Of other men That’s a good point, no one ever prepares for for abuse to come from woman. It blame the sones, blame the dads. It’s their fault for everything. Your not alone with the key thing either
Looks like that that schools teacher who abused two buys might actually be properly prosecuted. Small miracles, male abuse being taken serious for a change "Side note as it never gets acknowledged. Woman aren’t the only ones to be groped or harassed by the opposite sex or worse. I and many blokes have experienced that it’s just treated differently. People of all shapes and sizes, genders are good and bad. It time to stop dumping it onto one lot and ignoring the rest. Not drill it into your sons head he a deviant that needs to change. Not turning a blind eye, treating with kid gloves and pretending any longer that just because it’s your daughter and not your son, they need to understand it’s not ok to harass and attack other men and woman if we actually want to solve abuse for everyone and not one group acting like they are the only victims to be at risk to horrendous crimes while painting the other group as a whole as the sole perpetrators of these crimes. It needs to stop | |||
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"Casually wanders in… what’s going on here then? " People are choosing bears... | |||
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"I walk my dog in the woods. I've seen plenty of random men but I've never seen a bear. I've seen squirrels, numerous birds, badgers, deer, countless dogs but never a bear. I'd like to see a bear" Actually, I wouldn't. My dog would go berserk! There's chaos if he just sees a fox... | |||
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""Looking For Men aged 34 to 56 only. Won't meet smokers" Guessing OP would prefer a bear instead of those men aged 18-33 and 57+ or those that smoke. I hear ya! Anyone outside of your preferences is uncouth." We are allowed preferences aren't we and been honest I'm not meeting anyone as my hearts not in it. | |||
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"And I do get it is social media etc pinning us against each other, I just was interested in people's take on the whole thing. " It’s done exactly the same thing that happened on social media. It’s started a pitched battle as these things always tend to. | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear" I have had a few of these things happen to me. One was horrific but I still would choose the man over the bear. Why because I refuse to a victim for my entire life and blame all men for what a couple of arseholes over the years did to me. This is all just the usual them against us crap that I refuse to take part in. I refuse to blame all men for the actions of a few. | |||
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"This was done to death a couple of weeks ago. Result: All men are rxpists and murderers. All women just need to be alone and will ask for help if required. Women good,men bad. Bear's hairy." *Left alone* | |||
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"I choose the bear. A bear is far more likely to be entirely uninterested or easily scared off" Yes! I saw a video the other day of a bear being scared off and a stitch pointing out how quickly the bear took no for an answer and left | |||
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" "And unfortunately I would pick the bear." Thats because your a misandrist. ... But here are the top 10 reasons woman have given for choosing a bear over a man: "10) No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me." Well, if you were wearing a bear suit, then the bear certainly will see that as a reason to atatck you. "9) No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack" Surely the most common female fantasy is to be attacked by a bear? "8) A bears motives are easier to understand. " Yes. It wants to kill you no matter what. A bear will never love you, save you, or give it's own life to protect you. "7) A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them." Yet you are happy to do that to men. You are happy to use us for money, or dinner. You are happy to seek us out, press up agasint us, promise us sex, and even take us home. If you then regret it, thats your problem. I ran a nightclub for many years and saw this play out every night. MY advice would be to not seek out the bear, harrass it then provoke it. Also, a great many bears are attacked, by women. "6) I would not be forced to carry the bears babies to term in 27 states." you would if the bear had impregnated you in those states. Also, that law was voted on my women & men. "5) The bear will either kill me or leave me alone there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me." Can you nam these 400 ways? Will the bear ever buy you flowers? dinner? A expensive ring? Willl it tell you are the prettiest women in all the woods? Will they spend their life admiring you, showering you with praise, or make you the centre of their life? I suspect not. The chance of being killed by a bear is close to 100%. The chance of being killed by a man is close to 0% "4) Bears do not traffic women. " No, but some women DO "3) A bears friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining its life. " And what are the chances a woman will falsly accuse a bear of attacking them without evidence? "2) No one will question if the bear attack really happened. " Because women never lie? Women never willing seek out and consent to sex, then change their mind afterwards? Women never manipulate or cause drama? Women are never vindicitive enough to ruin someones life? Of course we have to question you. Innocent until prven guily is tantamount to a proper functioning society. Without it we have witch trials and innocent people are sent to prison. There must always be evidence, otherwise a bear could accuse a woman of attacking, or harrasing it, and then she would be sent to jail. Is that the world you want to live in? "1) The bear sees me as a human being." No, it doesn't. Its a bear. It sees you as a threat, or food. The bear does not care about you, nor respect you. "NOW lets talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. " MEN. We are called, MEN. Also, why souldn't we be annoyed by this? We are constantly being lableed as violent rapist toxic mysogynists. We are being unfairly, and unjustly painted as simplistic monsters, incapable of emotions other than hate. This entire topic of Men vs Bear is more misandry broughut yup by toxic feminists out to destroy society. How you you feel if men were asked Whos better at driving? "women or Bat". With 9 out of 10 men sayign they would be safer with bats, then going on to list all the ways they hate women. Would you be happy? would you accept they are right to complain? Would you accept that you, as a woman, are more dangerous, and less intelligent than a bat? I doubt it. This is pure misandry. "We are safer with the bear. " Then, i suggest you enter some woods, or even london zoo, and see jhow safe you really are. Oh, and no man will come to your aide when the bear attacks you and leaves you for dead. " Jesus | |||
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"MEN. We are called, MEN. Also, why souldn't we be annoyed by this? We are constantly being lableed as violent rapist toxic mysogynists. We are being unfairly, and unjustly painted as simplistic monsters, incapable of emotions other than hate. This entire topic of Men vs Bear is more misandry broughut yup by toxic feminists out to destroy society. " ... I really hope you were attempting irony. But I lack faith in said hope  | |||
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" "And unfortunately I would pick the bear." Thats because your a misandrist. ... But here are the top 10 reasons woman have given for choosing a bear over a man: "10) No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me." Well, if you were wearing a bear suit, then the bear certainly will see that as a reason to atatck you. "9) No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack" Surely the most common female fantasy is to be attacked by a bear? "8) A bears motives are easier to understand. " Yes. It wants to kill you no matter what. A bear will never love you, save you, or give it's own life to protect you. "7) A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them." Yet you are happy to do that to men. You are happy to use us for money, or dinner. You are happy to seek us out, press up agasint us, promise us sex, and even take us home. If you then regret it, thats your problem. I ran a nightclub for many years and saw this play out every night. MY advice would be to not seek out the bear, harrass it then provoke it. Also, a great many bears are attacked, by women. "6) I would not be forced to carry the bears babies to term in 27 states." you would if the bear had impregnated you in those states. Also, that law was voted on my women & men. "5) The bear will either kill me or leave me alone there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me." Can you nam these 400 ways? Will the bear ever buy you flowers? dinner? A expensive ring? Willl it tell you are the prettiest women in all the woods? Will they spend their life admiring you, showering you with praise, or make you the centre of their life? I suspect not. The chance of being killed by a bear is close to 100%. The chance of being killed by a man is close to 0% "4) Bears do not traffic women. " No, but some women DO "3) A bears friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining its life. " And what are the chances a woman will falsly accuse a bear of attacking them without evidence? "2) No one will question if the bear attack really happened. " Because women never lie? Women never willing seek out and consent to sex, then change their mind afterwards? Women never manipulate or cause drama? Women are never vindicitive enough to ruin someones life? Of course we have to question you. Innocent until prven guily is tantamount to a proper functioning society. Without it we have witch trials and innocent people are sent to prison. There must always be evidence, otherwise a bear could accuse a woman of attacking, or harrasing it, and then she would be sent to jail. Is that the world you want to live in? "1) The bear sees me as a human being." No, it doesn't. Its a bear. It sees you as a threat, or food. The bear does not care about you, nor respect you. "NOW lets talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. " MEN. We are called, MEN. Also, why souldn't we be annoyed by this? We are constantly being lableed as violent rapist toxic mysogynists. We are being unfairly, and unjustly painted as simplistic monsters, incapable of emotions other than hate. This entire topic of Men vs Bear is more misandry broughut yup by toxic feminists out to destroy society. How you you feel if men were asked Whos better at driving? "women or Bat". With 9 out of 10 men sayign they would be safer with bats, then going on to list all the ways they hate women. Would you be happy? would you accept they are right to complain? Would you accept that you, as a woman, are more dangerous, and less intelligent than a bat? I doubt it. This is pure misandry. "We are safer with the bear. " Then, i suggest you enter some woods, or even london zoo, and see jhow safe you really are. Oh, and no man will come to your aide when the bear attacks you and leaves you for dead. " This is a really angry post.  | |||
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"If making my safety a number 1 priority makes me a misandrist then I guess I am one" Schroedinger's misandrist/ irresponsible. You should have been nice to him, he was a nice guy, not all men/ you should have been more careful, what did you expect was going to happen. Tale as old as time. | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway " Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. | |||
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"As men, we have so much more work to do. It would be funny how much we make ourselves the victims because women talk about their experiences if it wasn’t having consequences. " That's not fun though. Grievance culture is fun. | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject." IT IS A FUCK SITE!!! | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. IT IS A FUCK SITE!!!" What, like fuck that it's not worth the risk? | |||
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"As men, we have so much more work to do. It would be funny how much we make ourselves the victims because women talk about their experiences if it wasn’t having consequences. That's not fun though. Grievance culture is fun." We need to just stop being so 'offended' by everything and just accept the 'compliment' Swing. Anything else is misandrist propaganda | |||
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"As men, we have so much more work to do. It would be funny how much we make ourselves the victims because women talk about their experiences if it wasn’t having consequences. That's not fun though. Grievance culture is fun." I know you get it. It’s like mad depressing for me and I’m like, imagine being a woman speaking on this shit. Threads like this would be exhausting and hopeless (and I know that feeling on this website) | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. IT IS A FUCK SITE!!! What, like fuck that it's not worth the risk? "Ooooooor, like obviously this is about sex ONLY. | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject." Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks | |||
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"As men, we have so much more work to do. It would be funny how much we make ourselves the victims because women talk about their experiences if it wasn’t having consequences. That's not fun though. Grievance culture is fun. We need to just stop being so 'offended' by everything and just accept the 'compliment' Swing. Anything else is misandrist propaganda "Does that mean we think all men are safe, or take precautions? If we think all men are safe then some men aren't safe and stuff might happen to us. I suppose that's ok because not all men. But if we take precautions then we're assuming all men. Which is bad. OK. Does anyone sell a vaginal implant with steel teeth? If I'm going to have to assume all men are good people and all. Oh. And earplugs for when people are telling me I should have been more careful | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks " No. No it's not | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks " Come back to me when you have the understanding of a ten year old girl on the subject, there's a good lad. | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks " It's not though is it? | |||
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"Well yeah yeah it is , it’s saying you wouldn’t be safe being alone with any man and you’d be safer with a bear , is it not ? " It's quite clearly internet hyperbole demonstrating a long standing problem. Take a deep breath and try to listen to what people are saying without taking it personally. | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks Come back to me when you have the understanding of a ten year old girl on the subject, there's a good lad." So now your labelling all men sexual predators and pedos too , great | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks It's not though is it? " Well yeah it is  | |||
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"Who’s saying the guy would want to fuck the woman anyway Tell me you don't understand the subject without telling me you don't understand the subject. Understand that it’s trying to say that left with a man any woman would be subject sexual advances/asault etc , which is bollocks Come back to me when you have the understanding of a ten year old girl on the subject, there's a good lad. So now your labelling all men sexual predators and pedos too , great "A ten year old girl also has some understanding of the planet Mars, and I'm calling all men astronomers in exactly the same way as you imagine I'm calling them predators, for pity's sake | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports "I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports. Why should I? Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible. I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise? Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided? If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true. I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf. I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion. | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports "This actually made me Google the stats, fuck me I didn't think they would be so high...... Mr | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
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" I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion. One reason why is that talking about personal experiences of this nature is against Fab rules. For what it's worth." I’ve tried talking about my experiences on sensitive subjects. Wouldn’t recommend. | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
"Yes....statistics and figures based on personal experiences must never be used in any kind of discussion or debate. Only uninformed opinions
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
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" I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion. One reason why is that talking about personal experiences of this nature is against Fab rules. For what it's worth. I’ve tried talking about my experiences on sensitive subjects. Wouldn’t recommend. " I have too, and I can certainly take it (particularly given the example I'd give), but there's not a lot of point when it gets moderated. (Not a criticism of moderators. It's more, I'm trying to explain why I don't write about my own experience, I've learned that it doesn't stay up. I'm commenting on the nature of the forum and how it guides what I post) | |||
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"Also for the dad's on the group - how many of you tell your daughters to be careful when they are going out, to be sure to stick together with their mates, watch their drinks and get a taxi home if they are alone... Or tell them to call you and you will pick them up In essence the unspoken bit is 'be carefu....of men' When what you should be saying to your sons is, don't harass or attack any women! Yes I'm sure you tell yourcsons to be careful too... But again... Of other men That’s a good point, no one ever prepares for for abuse to come from woman. It blame the sones, blame the dads. It’s their fault for everything. Your not alone with the key thing either
Looks like that that schools teacher who abused two buys might actually be properly prosecuted. Small miracles, male abuse being taken serious for a change "Abused ... lets get it named correctly , she is a pedophile ...funny how the media goes out of their way to not use that term on her .. | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
I guess the stats are important here as they help to explain why so many women make the choice they make when confronted with this question."Behind every statistic is a story. (And some stories - mine included - don't even make the statistics. There's a whole set of criminological research about how to counteract the known social effects of underreporting) | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
This actually made me Google the stats, fuck me I didn't think they would be so high......
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More people should do this & maybe they'd have a better understanding.
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess" So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. | |||
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" I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion. One reason why is that talking about personal experiences of this nature is against Fab rules. For what it's worth. I’ve tried talking about my experiences on sensitive subjects. Wouldn’t recommend. " Same Someone will always try and belittle your experiences regardless how traumatic they are | |||
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
I don't even know what VAWG stands for and no I don't read any statistics or reports.
Why should I?
Based on this thread and many others that apparently makes me part of the problem but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that is possible.
I don't read reports or statistics on any subject so does that make me part of a much wider problem for those who tell me I should be educating myself on today's hot topic and when tomorrow's comes along I should do likewise?
Does carrying on as I've always done, treating every human being as an equal and having proper grown up conversations that aren't fueled by statistics really make me a bad person and someone to be avoided?
If so it's really strange that the opposite appears to be true.
I'm not angry or annoyed over how men are portrayed because it's not aimed at me and I don't waste energy getting annoyed on someone else's behalf.
I do find it hilarious though that every time any sensitive subject is discussed on fab people attempt to deflect with statistics rather than present their own opinion.
I guess the stats are important here as they help to explain why so many women make the choice they make when confronted with this question."You've spoken alot of sense on this and the other thread, are you sure you're a man? | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. " I love that you're at a stage where you can take individual people at face value but I think saying that you decided to "stop being a victim" is implying that those of us who are still wary are making ourselves victims isn't really very fair | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. I love that you're at a stage where you can take individual people at face value but I think saying that you decided to "stop being a victim" is implying that those of us who are still wary are making ourselves victims isn't really very fair " I'm not implying that at all.It was the only way I could think of phrasing how I feel. It was my choice on how I decided to continue my life. I refused and still refuse to let them ruin my life. How I deal with it and how others do can be completely different.It wasn't a slur on anyone. And of course I'm wary and take precautions probably more than I did before these things happened ,but do I live in constant fear no,nor do I think every man I meet is going to attack me. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. " ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. " Coming back to this comment because all I said was ignorant is bliss to a MAN that said he never looks at statistics or reads reports on any of these issues and laughed at the fact people on fab use them on ‘sensitive’ topics. And it’s somehow become this response.
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. " I don't need to educate myself as I've lived through the experiences and to me that counts a hell of a lot more than stats Ironically tho you have stated before that people can't have an opinion on something unless they have experienced it first hand.Yet my experience doesn't count it seems because I haven't read some stats that you have decided are the only thing that matters. I chose to reply with an essay as you call it because I can just like you chose to reply to me. You may not like people not having the same opinion as you but everyone has the right to state what they think. We do not however have to agree on things we are after all adults. And no one has bragged on this thread either. But there have been those like you who like to belittle others on here. | |||
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"Which species of bear? Wait! if it's a koala I'll choose the bear. Although, that will mean Australian spiders too." Koalas are more likely to give you chlamydia than the average man. Also they're not bears *grumpy Australian* | |||
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"Which species of bear? Wait! if it's a koala I'll choose the bear. Although, that will mean Australian spiders too. Koalas are more likely to give you chlamydia than the average man. Also they're not bears *grumpy Australian*" I think I can outrun a koala... maybe. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. Coming back to this comment because all I said was ignorant is bliss to a MAN that said he never looks at statistics or reads reports on any of these issues and laughed at the fact people on fab use them on ‘sensitive’ topics. And it’s somehow become this response.
Proof that you can say one thing and people will argue with ten things you didn’t say"Sigh what's the point really.The irony of this post is you have done exactly what you are claiming I did in your reply to that post.
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. I don't need to educate myself as I've lived through the experiences and to me that counts a hell of a lot more than stats Ironically tho you have stated before that people can't have an opinion on something unless they have experienced it first hand.Yet my experience doesn't count it seems because I haven't read some stats that you have decided are the only thing that matters. I chose to reply with an essay as you call it because I can just like you chose to reply to me. You may not like people not having the same opinion as you but everyone has the right to state what they think. We do not however have to agree on things we are after all adults. And no one has bragged on this thread either. But there have been those like you who like to belittle others on here. " There’s so much projection in this and in your previous comment. My first comment mentioned MEN. My response to the reply I got from RB was aimed at him, A MAN, that said he didn’t read any stats or reports on any of these topics. I’m not asking you to educate yourself if you’ve lived the experience of a woman? On issues that you have not lived the experience of, then yes, I would say it is incredibly important to educate yourself. As you’re alluding to other comments I’ve made I’ll be clear- when I’m talking about my lived experience and I’m talking about stats relating to it and research done on it, someone’s opinion when they haven’t lived it or haven’t researched it is a bit … I’ve not belittled anyone. I’ve not got any issue with people having different opinions to me. I have an issue with the way people on fab have treated me and talked about me when I’ve shared my lived experience and evidence about my lived experience. But if someone disagrees with me that missionary is the best sex position or whatever else they want to disagree with me on, I genuinely don’t care. What you’re doing is so familiar on here. But carry on. Do your thing. | |||
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"If you’ve never been taught to walk with keys protruding from your fist, in case you encounter a man while you’re out at night trying to exist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had to call someone else to assist, because you’ve said no three times but he has chosen to persist You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been followed home late at night, or stalked through your city in broad daylight You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a taxi driver run his hand up your thigh, or been touched in your sleep by someone you thought was a good guy You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never had a man send chills down your spine with the intensity of his stare, or caught a man taking pics up your skirt to view your underwear You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you’ve never been pinned to a bed and touched without giving consent, or had a man use you without permission only stopping when he was content You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears If you have never felt weaker than half the population, or been told your clothes are responsible for any aggravation You probably won’t understand why women are choosing bears *Poetry by Nia Speaks #ManvsBear #ichoosethebear" I can personally relate to a lot of that list. It's shit. I don't distrust every guy I come across because some guys in my life reveled their true selves. Yes I'm careful when I'm out alone etc but because people can be awful, not just men. The fact a work colleague cornered me with no escape didn't mean I immediately distrusted all my male colleagues or any future ones. Like too many women, I've been through shit that should never have happened but I'd still choose the man and I still don't agree with these kind of social experiments. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. " Where exactly was I bragging? I said above that I have spoken to many women on the subject of this thread and everyone of them dismissed it. I choose not to educate myself on many subjects not out of ignorance or burying my head in the sand but because they have zero relevance in my life. I don't know anyone from the gay community so educating myself on their experiences seems a little fruitless. Yes I may understand their experiences a little better but what do I do then? How do I help improve their lives by having that knowledge? As I said in my earlier post I don't know any women who are constantly living in fear so again how can I help change something that doesn't exist in my family or social circles? Every single day on fab someone makes a comment on a thread about how some men ruin it for the good guys on here and every single day they are told that is bullshit and they can only ruin it for themselves and can only be responsible for their own actions. So why does that not apply here? I don't spend my life looking for the next cause to champion because I've had enough shit in my own life to concern myself with. I don't deny for a second that abuse and assaults take place and people do live in fear as a result. I won't be told though by anyone that I'm ignorant,a lesser human being, disrespectful or a misogynist because I choose not to jump on every bandwagon that happens to be passing. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. Coming back to this comment because all I said was ignorant is bliss to a MAN that said he never looks at statistics or reads reports on any of these issues and laughed at the fact people on fab use them on ‘sensitive’ topics. And it’s somehow become this response.
Proof that you can say one thing and people will argue with ten things you didn’t say
Sigh what's the point really.The irony of this post is you have done exactly what you are claiming I did in your reply to that post.
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. I don't need to educate myself as I've lived through the experiences and to me that counts a hell of a lot more than stats Ironically tho you have stated before that people can't have an opinion on something unless they have experienced it first hand.Yet my experience doesn't count it seems because I haven't read some stats that you have decided are the only thing that matters. I chose to reply with an essay as you call it because I can just like you chose to reply to me. You may not like people not having the same opinion as you but everyone has the right to state what they think. We do not however have to agree on things we are after all adults. And no one has bragged on this thread either. But there have been those like you who like to belittle others on here. There’s so much projection in this and in your previous comment. My first comment mentioned MEN. My response to the reply I got from RB was aimed at him, A MAN, that said he didn’t read any stats or reports on any of these topics. I’m not asking you to educate yourself if you’ve lived the experience of a woman? On issues that you have not lived the experience of, then yes, I would say it is incredibly important to educate yourself. As you’re alluding to other comments I’ve made I’ll be clear- when I’m talking about my lived experience and I’m talking about stats relating to it and research done on it, someone’s opinion when they haven’t lived it or haven’t researched it is a bit … I’ve not belittled anyone. I’ve not got any issue with people having different opinions to me. I have an issue with the way people on fab have treated me and talked about me when I’ve shared my lived experience and evidence about my lived experience. But if someone disagrees with me that missionary is the best sex position or whatever else they want to disagree with me on, I genuinely don’t care. What you’re doing is so familiar on here. But carry on. Do your thing. " I intend to thanks for giving me permission though that's very kind of you. And I've never treated you in anyway like you are hinting at. I disagreed with you calling someone ignorant and how you took one part of a long post to call them that. But it seems you don't like to be called out on that. At no point did RB or most of the people answering on here say they thought it was okay that some women are scared of men,in fact most people agreed that's it's completely awful that they are due to experiences we have had. But the simple fact is it is those who are the predators and doing the abuse is to fault not anyone else. | |||
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" … Ignorance is bliss I guess … Where exactly was I bragging? I said above that I have spoken to many women on the subject of this thread and everyone of them dismissed it. I choose not to educate myself on many subjects not out of ignorance or burying my head in the sand but because they have zero relevance in my life. I don't know anyone from the gay community so educating myself on their experiences seems a little fruitless. Yes I may understand their experiences a little better but what do I do then? How do I help improve their lives by having that knowledge? … I won't be told though by anyone that I'm ignorant,a lesser human being, disrespectful or a misogynist because I choose not to jump on every bandwagon that happens to be passing. " ^^ It’s literally choosing to be ignorant of issues that you don’t experience or that aren’t relevant to your life. And that must be nice. But for people that live the things you choose not to learn about, they’re literally not able to choose to not want to know anything about these things. Because it’s their lives. I’m not calling you an ignorant person. I’m not belittling you. But I’m saying you are CHOOSING to be ignorant of people’s experiences and that ignorance must be bliss. Very bliss. Btw- these things, people’s experiences, are not bandwagons. | |||
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" Ignorance is bliss I guess So am I ignorant too because I haven't looked up these statistics. Not looking up statistics means absolutely nothing claiming people are ignorant because they don't is ignorant in itself. And I don't need to look it up because I was if you want to use that phrase a statistic at two points in my life. And as I said earlier it still hasn't made me view men as predators. Some are but the majority aren't . And having people lecture on it and try and take the moral high ground and get digs at others just because they don't need to look at stats is part of the problem. Yes some people are predators yes women need to take extra precautions at times. It's life it will never change no matter how much we want it to. Arguing the point on here and white knighting will make zero difference. Because the people who are predators won't and don't care. To be honest I don't know why I even read or joined in this thread because it's the same people sprouting the same stuff over and over. I personally made a decision not be a victim for all of my life because of a couple of arseholes. I also realised that most men are not like that and thank goodness to good far outweigh the bad. And no one not one single person apart from the predators are responsible for their actions. ignorance is bliss. If you choose not to be educated on the experiences of others, as the person was bragging about, that’s a wilful ignorance of the experience of others. And deciding not to know or understand those realities must really be bliss. Tbh if you’re proudly asserting that you’re the same and you wilfully decide not to educate yourself on the experience of others, then lol. If you’re not saying that you decide not to look at stats or read reports on issues you don’t experience then I have no idea why you sent me an essay in response to my comment. I don't need to educate myself as I've lived through the experiences and to me that counts a hell of a lot more than stats Ironically tho you have stated before that people can't have an opinion on something unless they have experienced it first hand.Yet my experience doesn't count it seems because I haven't read some stats that you have decided are the only thing that matters. I chose to reply with an essay as you call it because I can just like you chose to reply to me. You may not like people not having the same opinion as you but everyone has the right to state what they think. We do not however have to agree on things we are after all adults. And no one has bragged on this thread either. But there have been those like you who like to belittle others on here. There’s so much projection in this and in your previous comment. My first comment mentioned MEN. My response to the reply I got from RB was aimed at him, A MAN, that said he didn’t read any stats or reports on any of these topics. I’m not asking you to educate yourself if you’ve lived the experience of a woman? On issues that you have not lived the experience of, then yes, I would say it is incredibly important to educate yourself. As you’re alluding to other comments I’ve made I’ll be clear- when I’m talking about my lived experience and I’m talking about stats relating to it and research done on it, someone’s opinion when they haven’t lived it or haven’t researched it is a bit … I’ve not belittled anyone. I’ve not got any issue with people having different opinions to me. I have an issue with the way people on fab have treated me and talked about me when I’ve shared my lived experience and evidence about my lived experience. But if someone disagrees with me that missionary is the best sex position or whatever else they want to disagree with me on, I genuinely don’t care. What you’re doing is so familiar on here. But carry on. Do your thing. I intend to thanks for giving me permission though that's very kind of you. And I've never treated you in anyway like you are hinting at. I disagreed with you calling someone ignorant and how you took one part of a long post to call them that. But it seems you don't like to be called out on that. At no point did RB or most of the people answering on here say they thought it was okay that some women are scared of men,in fact most people agreed that's it's completely awful that they are due to experiences we have had. But the simple fact is it is those who are the predators and doing the abuse is to fault not anyone else. " ‘I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports ’
Was my original post. I then got his response to me which I +quoted and said ignorance is bliss.
In your attempt to call me out by making it about you, I clarified it’s not a reply to you or any woman on the thread.
I’ve replied to rb now clarifying that saying ignorance is bliss is not me belittling him.
I’m not arguing with him or you about whether it’s ok that women are scared of men. There’s no implication whatsoever that that’s the point rb is disputing with me so why are you bringing that up again?
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" I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports ’
Was my original post. I then got his response to me which I +quoted and said ignorance is bliss.
In your attempt to call me out by making it about you, I clarified it’s not a reply to you or any woman on the thread.
I’ve replied to rb now clarifying that saying ignorance is bliss is not me belittling him.
I’m not arguing with him or you about whether it’s ok that women are scared of men. There’s no implication whatsoever that that’s the point rb is disputing with me so why are you bringing that up again?
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"What about "chill bro"? " There is a popular Turkish Youtuber who says "relax bro". That works. But he's a barber and gives massages. Trying it during an argument? Less charming. Higher likelihood of blood | |||
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"What if I offer cake? " Might be seen as condescending. Sometimes you just gotta let it play out (or the mods to come in and smack heads together) btw if you hit the reply+quote button like I am, you can see more clearly who you're replying to. | |||
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"What if I offer cake? Might be seen as condescending. Sometimes you just gotta let it play out (or the mods to come in and smack heads together) btw if you hit the reply+quote button like I am, you can see more clearly who you're replying to." It's really good cake though | |||
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"What if I offer cake? Might be seen as condescending. Sometimes you just gotta let it play out (or the mods to come in and smack heads together) btw if you hit the reply+quote button like I am, you can see more clearly who you're replying to. It's really good cake though " I'm not even mad. I'm just saying - it might not end well. | |||
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"What if I offer cake? Might be seen as condescending. Sometimes you just gotta let it play out (or the mods to come in and smack heads together) btw if you hit the reply+quote button like I am, you can see more clearly who you're replying to. It's impossible to not end well if cake is involved. Just ask Marie Antoinette It's really good cake though I'm not even mad. I'm just saying - it might not end well." | |||
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"Yall need relax lol Telling people to calm down always ends well "Or telling them to get a room
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"Yall need relax lol Telling people to calm down always ends well
Or telling them to get a room
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"Yall need relax lol Telling people to calm down always ends well
Or telling them to get a room
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"Yall need relax lol Telling people to calm down always ends well
Or telling them to get a room
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"This is the new "if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best". Girl power y'all! Spice up ya life." I mean, it's probably more "if the bear kills me, no one will ask what I was wearing or if I asked for it", but references that are as hip and relevant as the youth's parents are fine too, I guess. | |||
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"It's nearer 100% of women and girls have experienced some sort of sexual assault/harassment. The overwhelming majority of that goes unreported. Most women have experienced multiple episodes. But people just don't talk about it because its traumatic. And as I was once told, that's how men are, get use to it. " That's sort of the crux of the issue. We're told we have to treat men that way because men are that way. Then men get upset when we mind our safety, because not all men. But if we do trust a man and something goes wrong, then why weren't you being more careful. It's the height of unwinnable, and yet somehow it's our fault for making men feel bad, because we're trying to navigate this stupidity. I hope girls today have a better experience than I did, but I fucking doubt it. #notallmen overrules #toomanyfuckingwomen | |||
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"Not sure, but I was in Yellowstone when a bear dragged a man from his tent and ate him, well a good part of him" Yeah, but I bet nobody was asking what the Man was wearing, whether he led the bear on or whether he clearly said "no" or "stop". It's an attack and it's left at that. | |||
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"I'll see if I can post this much. The thing that happened to me started with me being exactly where I was supposed to be. Covered from neck to wrists to feet in loose clothing. In daylight. And I instigated this incident - because it was, in fact, my fault - by politely giving an adult directions he'd asked for. Being blamed was more traumatic than the event itself." Was this in the UK? | |||
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"I'll see if I can post this much. The thing that happened to me started with me being exactly where I was supposed to be. Covered from neck to wrists to feet in loose clothing. In daylight. And I instigated this incident - because it was, in fact, my fault - by politely giving an adult directions he'd asked for. Being blamed was more traumatic than the event itself. Was this in the UK? " No. But the culture in Australia isn't wildly different to the UK on this. | |||
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" Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. - Credit to the respective author" If you are looking at statistics you need to compare like for like. In the last 4 years 7 women have come in close contact and been killed, we need to know how many came into close contact and walked away unharmed, then compare the same figures with close contact with men. Statistics will show both men and women are safer with men. | |||
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" Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. - Credit to the respective author If you are looking at statistics you need to compare like for like. In the last 4 years 7 women have come in close contact and been killed, we need to know how many came into close contact and walked away unharmed, then compare the same figures with close contact with men. Statistics will show both men and women are safer with men." Like for like becomes difficult when the majority of violence against women comes from men they already know. There isn't as much data on bears that the women already knew well. The stats and data can be interpreted in many ways. At the end of the day, it's a matter of the woman has said she'd rather a bear. And you don't see any bears screaming #notallbears at the ones who chose man. Because it's an opinion. A choice. And the reaction to it has been incredibly telling as to why that choice was made. | |||
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"So, Whilst I understand what SOME people are saying man or hear, i have to say man… 7 bear attacks world wide is way too On average, there are about 40 brown bear attacks that happen around the world every year. And tht is just brown bear. Most bears are recluse by nature, so therefore you are unlikely to ever meet a bear, especially in the uk. You are however way more likely to meet a man. There were 696 homecides in 2021 (office of national statistics) and 28% were female. So technically you are safer with a man than a bear as you are more likely to die from a bear meeting than bumping into a stranger in the woods… Who knows…if you meet me in the woods I might just save your ass from a bear attack lol" Stats here are open source data if you want to look | |||
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"As men, we have so much more work to do. It would be funny how much we make ourselves the victims because women talk about their experiences if it wasn’t having consequences. That's not fun though. Grievance culture is fun. I know you get it. It’s like mad depressing for me and I’m like, imagine being a woman speaking on this shit. Threads like this would be exhausting and hopeless (and I know that feeling on this website)" It is sadly hopeless as it falls into the classic trap of sticking all guys into group of abusers and worse. Naturally that will cause division and offence. The valid aspects becoming lost in the heated and also valid argument that these types of scenarios promote discrimination. People blinded by one set of facts and stats while ignoring other with nothing being resolved. Just more resentment, hate and division. What’s even more bemusing is, while this Man or Bear things been doing the rounds on the net. The British headlines has been covering another female teacher abusing two male minors and even getting pregnant by one. Then trying to manipulate sympathy from the court that she now a mother. At the same time there also another story released over the weekend of a guy killed and police mauled by a bear. Something I think clearly shows there a far bigger picture then what this bear or man thing that’s doing the rounds wants to acknowledge, let alone approach the topic of abuse open minded and inclusively to try and do some good. All it does is the exact opposite and feed prejudice to the point all reason and logic is lost. Has no one seen the reverence, which is tam in comparison to what a bear will really do if it decides to go for you. As someone rightly said above, it doesn’t respect or recognise you as anything other than a threat or food. They don’t feel any twinge of morality as they tare you apart often over a period of time in a series of attacks that use short bursts of energy. There just as good of a chance your still alive (though dying slowly) when they start to eat you if it’s for food or to play with like a kid pulling of the wings of a fly. It’s a wild and far more powerful animal then humans and just like humans it has light and dark to it nature. However unlike humans, it’s behaviour is dominated by instinct not reason or compassion as it libidos in a far more brutal world then people. Anything cruel or sadistic that happens in human society pales in comparison to how prolific those same horrific things happen in the animal world with the only exception being is, it’s normal, it’s their world and it’s just a part of nature and life. The horrors that go on in the wild dwarfs what happens in modern human society but not only are people silly enough to say their nature and world is safer but that all guys are far worse in comparison… Sorry got to call bs on that. That’s just hate speech and the people that picked a bear should try living in their world and be reminded of what life is really like for wild animals as well as learn some humility for their fellow humans. I like bears but their idea of dating is when they come across a female bear, kill any cubs she has and take her by force at any sign of resistance. There no concept of consent only the females ability to hold out and fight them off and not die from their injuries regardless of the outcome. There certainly no prosecution or moral outcry, no help by the public or emergency services. Just great suffering and pain on one side and just another day for other with no recourse or moral concept it did anything wrong! And that what people want to put their faith in over another person lol. Just for one moment, looking at the situation logically and not by biase. Fearing being attacked by another singular person or a bear. Unarmed and by myself, I don’t know about anyone else but I think my odds against the other person fair better then against a bear if they turn on me. Next another person lost in the woods, there also a bear about and so survival is key. I would place good money the priorities of the guy would also be on surviving, not getting their end away. Now do I choose the person that I can reason with, work with and problem solve to increase the chance to survive both a bear attack and making it out of the woods safe or do I pick the bear, that at best will ignore me and tolerate my presence for a limited time before things quickly escalate. Hmmmm…. Difficult choice, I’m sure if really faced with that dilemma people would pick the bear. I know movies aren’t real but that why you see Anthony Hopkins team up with the bear to take on Alex Baldwin in The Edge and not with a guy who he knows wants to kill him because that’s far more believable to the audience. People can relate to that when hypothetically picturing themselves in a similar situation?…. Come on. I’m sorry for going on and I strongly believe in the rights of woman, respect and admire the woman in my life as well as full heartedly understand and support the need for change from points made in the reasons given on why they picked the bear. Doing it through these narrow minded, man bashing thuggery constructs on anti men websites, creating further division and blindness to anyone else’s suffering is one of the major reasons nothing changes and it goes on the way it does. You want change then you need to include everyone, not unjustly attack. You want to end a injustice then you have to first be willing to recognise the same injustice happening to others and want change for everyone and not just for half of the population. Your not the only ones, the same issues effect those you throw into the same group of abusers, they just don’t have a voice that’s heard. You want empathy for your plight you have to be willing to listen, acknowledge and support the plight of others. All these types of scenario questions and the websites they crop up in, tv debates on if we (society) need men, social media vids on where all the good men gone, while other vids on girls chatting about why they enjoy cheating on good guys or why it should be exceptable for woman to cheat in society and the rest of the endless parade of similar guff is just so toxic. No wonder people walk away and just want to live out their own life in peace. That’s the real sadness, that good people wanting to build a better world are attacked, demonised and constantly told because of their gender their nature and existence is wrong and evil despite knowing in their heart and soul that’s rubbish they lose faith that there will ever be a time when society will be united enough to tackle the problem because for some it’s easier to just hate and discriminate one demographic for all their woes then face the insanely hard work ahead need to change things. I’m sure for those that prosper, unaffected or impeded while this goes on, get a real kick out of it. I know I’m not one of them or anyone I know. Sorry for the waffle all or if I caused any offence to anyone as that’s not my intention  | |||
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" Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. - Credit to the respective author If you are looking at statistics you need to compare like for like. In the last 4 years 7 women have come in close contact and been killed, we need to know how many came into close contact and walked away unharmed, then compare the same figures with close contact with men. Statistics will show both men and women are safer with men. Like for like becomes difficult when the majority of violence against women comes from men they already know. There isn't as much data on bears that the women already knew well. The stats and data can be interpreted in many ways. At the end of the day, it's a matter of the woman has said she'd rather a bear. And you don't see any bears screaming #notallbears at the ones who chose man. Because it's an opinion. A choice. And the reaction to it has been incredibly telling as to why that choice was made." Yeah it true, sadly stats can be framed and used to tell any story a person wants and is commonly missed used this way in politics to sell a favourable picture of a gov department or party. To be fair though you could also argue that because bears aren’t on the internet, aware of the debate, let alone care about it if they were able to comprehend it. That it says anything about people/ guys because they do. Curiously though, trying to think from a bear perspective on this scenario if they were capable of having one. I did come to the realisation, what make people think the bear would want to have anything to with them or any human. What’s makes people think they wouldn’t judge all humans with the same contempt and do stain for how human kind has treated wild animals. Who to say if they were able to intelligently asses and judge others on the deeds of a few, that they wouldn’t condemn all humankind, with humans in their eyes being far worse then any other animal. Regardless of the individual, they are all tard with the same brush. Viewed nothing more than soulless, evil creatures. The worse synod all living things in their eyes. What if they did have a say with who they teamed up with? What makes people think they would even want to be paired with a human and even if they were willing to pair with a human out of necessity, would they be eager to except a woman over a man? I saw an interesting vid where a lady recently argued, men have for generations been raised to see things through and stick things out to the end, to honour their word, lay down their life for others they don’t even know. Despite public view, many guys to this day still do that. Most of the messages told to girls related to priorities their own happiness. I can’t say if that true or not and not making any judgment but if it is then that’s not great in a survival situation really x | |||
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This actually made me Google the stats, fuck me I didn't think they would be so high......
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"I genuinely wonder how many men on this thread or on fab even read VAWG statistics or reports
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this entire premise of "men or bear" is a part of alarger anti male rhetoric, and it is dameging to society. Far morse than anything that tate wanker says or does.
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this entire premise of "men or bear" is a part of alarger anti male rhetoric, and it is dameging to society. Far morse than anything that tate wanker says or does.
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"Not sure if this been posted already, but I only read this properly this evening And unfortunately I would pick the bear. There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. Its been morphed a bit now that its been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear. Almost without fail posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more then a strange man. But here are the top 10 reasons woman have given for choosing a bear over a man: 10) No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me. 9) No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack 8) A bears motives are easier to understand. 7) A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them. 6) I would not be forced to carry the bears babies to term in 27 states. 5) The bear will either kill me or leave me alone there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me. 4) Bears do not traffic women. 3) A bears friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining its life. 2) No one will question if the bear attack really happened. 1) The bear sees me as a human being. But here are a few others that are sad but true: If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions. The bear did not pretend to be my friend for months before hand. A bear would not film it and send it to his friends. NOW lets talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are literally part of sect of men that are the reason we chose the bear. When this question was posed, man or bear, to woman 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. 9 out of every 10. We cannot agree about hair color, makeup, or Taylor Swift but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this. In fact when asked 7 out of 10 did not even take time to think the answer was instantly bear. We understand the bear may kill us. We understand there are fates worse then dying. A bear will simply kill us or ignore us. Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the r&&e/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/rxxing women? We are safer with the bear. - Credit to the respective author" They obviously know the wrong men | |||
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