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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015....." Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?  | |||
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"Don't they trust women to run the country? "the last one put them off.. | |||
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" pretty much all of the PLP wanted David over Ed, as did most of the clp's.. he is probably more intellectual, media savvy etc and much more 'leader' like.. " I think you're spot on there and even though I'm a Tory I do/did like David. He came across as someone who knew his stuff, but the Unions fucked him over in favour of his bro who, it appears, had done some back deal shenanigans to secure the Union block votes. Stabbed his own bro in the back.  | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country? "Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her. You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends.... | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not "This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE. | |||
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" pretty much all of the PLP wanted David over Ed, as did most of the clp's.. he is probably more intellectual, media savvy etc and much more 'leader' like.. I think you're spot on there and even though I'm a Tory I do/did like David. He came across as someone who knew his stuff, but the Unions fucked him over in favour of his bro who, it appears, had done some back deal shenanigans to secure the Union block votes. Stabbed his own bro in the back. "listening to r4 and it appears that had he gotten just 4 more votes from Labour MP's then David would have walked it.. feeling was he was a bit arrogant.. and a blairite.. | |||
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" pretty much all of the PLP wanted David over Ed, as did most of the clp's.. he is probably more intellectual, media savvy etc and much more 'leader' like.. I think you're spot on there and even though I'm a Tory I do/did like David. He came across as someone who knew his stuff, but the Unions fucked him over in favour of his bro who, it appears, had done some back deal shenanigans to secure the Union block votes. Stabbed his own bro in the back. "Or....they realised that no modern era opposition leader has won an election after being in charge of their party for Five years....and put in a nightwatchman | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country? "I don't think they do. Yvette Cooper would be my choice but she and Ed Balls seem to have made some sort of agreement that his ambitions should lead. I don't think Labour will win in 2015 but not just because Milli Jnr is not the most electable of the brothers but simply because they are not moving fast enough on selling any policy ideas. | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE."But NEVER after they have alienated Millions of the electorate over a Five year period....some things can't be brought back with cheap gimmicks | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE."yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. think there will be a lot more angry folk in 2 yrs time.. on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.. | |||
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"Simply: Ed Miliband is unelectable as a potential Prime Minister. How do I know? His own brother has quit politics because he couldn't serve under his brother. Does that mean that David can't stand Ed? Not at all, but I think David is realistic to know that Ed can't win a general election and if David then took over as party leader he wouldn't want the ignominy of belonging to a family with TWO general election losers. That's why I believe Ed Miliband can't win in 2015. "Right result but wrong answer | |||
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" on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.." Riots again this summer? If it's a hot summer then that's very possible..... | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE.
yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them..
think there will be a lot more angry folk in 2 yrs time..
on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.."This summer if the _umours are to be believed. I fear it won't be well articulated to show this is about the political climate. It's up to us to show our displeasure. | |||
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" on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.. Riots again this summer? If it's a hot summer then that's very possible....." there just seems to be a lack of protest, of anger against the shafting that a lot of the youngsters are taking and will do so for yrs.. ah the 70's.. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends.... "Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it? | |||
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" on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.. Riots again this summer? If it's a hot summer then that's very possible....." Quiet summer it is then, ! all rioters sheltering from the hot summer rain | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.." Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends....
Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it?"So do you trust a female political leader?... | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would." Yes indeed | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would. Yes indeed " bugger off to netto ! | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would." That's not quite the right analogy for tax incentives offered in a budget. I'm not well off at the moment but on your analogy I'm not entirely selfish as I am adding £10 of extra shopping to go in the food bank box. I'd rather this was not necessary as I pay taxes and would like them used sensibly for those in need. | |||
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"Simply: Ed Miliband is unelectable as a potential Prime Minister. How do I know? His own brother has quit politics because he couldn't serve under his brother. Does that mean that David can't stand Ed? Not at all, but I think David is realistic to know that Ed can't win a general election and if David then took over as party leader he wouldn't want the ignominy of belonging to a family with TWO general election losers. That's why I believe Ed Miliband can't win in 2015. "More likely Ed wants to take the party in a different (non- New Labour direction) and David (as a New Labour type) feels he needs to get out of the way, or that he just doesn't believe in that direction. Saying that he's quit because he doesn't believe Ed can win and this would somehow shame their family so much he could never run himself...that doesn't make much sense. There's a long way to go before 2015. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends....
Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it?
So do you trust a female political leader?..."A Labour one? No. A Tory one? Maybe. A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha... | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends....
Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it?
So do you trust a female political leader?...
A Labour one? No.
A Tory one? Maybe.
A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha... "Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak. | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would. That's not quite the right analogy for tax incentives offered in a budget. I'm not well off at the moment but on your analogy I'm not entirely selfish as I am adding £10 of extra shopping to go in the food bank box. I'd rather this was not necessary as I pay taxes and would like them used sensibly for those in need." I'm not talking about generic charitable donations, which I believe is a mechanism for making people feel good about themselves (the donators). If we really knew the truth about charity money and how much gets syphoned off we'd stop donating. There always seems to be someone suffering somewhere doesn't there, yet millions upon millions has been raised over the years that was supposed to put a stop to it. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends....
Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it?
So do you trust a female political leader?...
A Labour one? No.
A Tory one? Maybe.
A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha...
Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak."I didn't think the question was aimed at a current female MP. I thought it meant generally at some time in the future. Cameron's job is safe for another 8 years but I fear if he wins in 2015 there will be a few people lining up to push him out so they can have their bite at the cherry (incidentally, I don't believe a sitting PM should be ousted without there being a general election. I didn't like Major doing it to Thatcher, not Brown to Blair - although I now believe Blair played him like a kipper and got out before being thrown out by the electorate) | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would. That's not quite the right analogy for tax incentives offered in a budget. I'm not well off at the moment but on your analogy I'm not entirely selfish as I am adding £10 of extra shopping to go in the food bank box. I'd rather this was not necessary as I pay taxes and would like them used sensibly for those in need. I'm not talking about generic charitable donations, which I believe is a mechanism for making people feel good about themselves (the donators). If we really knew the truth about charity money and how much gets syphoned off we'd stop donating. There always seems to be someone suffering somewhere doesn't there, yet millions upon millions has been raised over the years that was supposed to put a stop to it." I do know the 'truth' about charity money and have written about it on here many times. Your analogy of someone asking for their shopping to be paid in the supermarket is one of asking for charity. I couldn't see how you were making it fit with a) selfishness or b) taxation and the budget sweeteners offered before an election. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Did you trust Thatcher?...because you have admitted you never voted for her.
You change your political allegiance more often than Bill Wyman changes his teenage girlfriends....
Yup, it's called democracy. Heard of it?
So do you trust a female political leader?...
A Labour one? No.
A Tory one? Maybe.
A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha...
Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak."Theresa Villiers ! I would  | |||
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"So do you trust a female political leader?... A Labour one? No. A Tory one? Maybe. A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha...
Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak.
I didn't think the question was aimed at a current female MP. I thought it meant generally at some time in the future. Cameron's job is safe for another 8 years but I fear if he wins in 2015 there will be a few people lining up to push him out so they can have their bite at the cherry (incidentally, I don't believe a sitting PM should be ousted without there being a general election. I didn't like Major doing it to Thatcher, not Brown to Blair - although I now believe Blair played him like a kipper and got out before being thrown out by the electorate)"So any female Tory would be a better PM than any Labour or LibDem one. Even though they rarely get a front bench position? | |||
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"yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them.. Aren't we all selfish to a degree? What would you say to someone who tapped you on the shoulder in Sainsburys and asked you to pay for their modest basket of groceries cos they were a bit skint? You'd tell them to get fucked, like 99.9% of all people would. That's not quite the right analogy for tax incentives offered in a budget. I'm not well off at the moment but on your analogy I'm not entirely selfish as I am adding £10 of extra shopping to go in the food bank box. I'd rather this was not necessary as I pay taxes and would like them used sensibly for those in need. I'm not talking about generic charitable donations, which I believe is a mechanism for making people feel good about themselves (the donators). If we really knew the truth about charity money and how much gets syphoned off we'd stop donating. There always seems to be someone suffering somewhere doesn't there, yet millions upon millions has been raised over the years that was supposed to put a stop to it. I do know the 'truth' about charity money and have written about it on here many times. Your analogy of someone asking for their shopping to be paid in the supermarket is one of asking for charity. I couldn't see how you were making it fit with a) selfishness or b) taxation and the budget sweeteners offered before an election." Someone suggested that budget sweeteners would be grasped at by selfish folk and I answered that we're all selfish to a point. Then I followed it up with what I feel is the reason people donate to charities. | |||
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"So do you trust a female political leader?... A Labour one? No. A Tory one? Maybe. A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha...
Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak.
I didn't think the question was aimed at a current female MP. I thought it meant generally at some time in the future. Cameron's job is safe for another 8 years but I fear if he wins in 2015 there will be a few people lining up to push him out so they can have their bite at the cherry (incidentally, I don't believe a sitting PM should be ousted without there being a general election. I didn't like Major doing it to Thatcher, not Brown to Blair - although I now believe Blair played him like a kipper and got out before being thrown out by the electorate)
So any female Tory would be a better PM than any Labour or LibDem one. Even though they rarely get a front bench position?"Er, yes, if she's a Tory then she'd be more likely to find me agreeing with her. | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all." At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! | |||
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"i dont think the elecdtorate want to be preached at by a plastic career labour leader who seems to have no idea what he is talking about and little releevance to real life " Hasn't bothered them recently! | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here!" Beat me to it  | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here!" All the stupid mare has done is make the whole country look like her. Why doesnt she resign and save the country an absolute fortune in incompetent fuck ups. How much has she WASTED on trying to do her job ????? Even the legal aid guys are running rings around her and her office  | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! All the stupid mare has done is make the whole country look like her. Why doesnt she resign and save the country an absolute fortune in incompetent fuck ups. How much has she WASTED on trying to do her job ????? Even the legal aid guys are running rings around her and her office "Do you understand what the Home Sec has really been doing with all these appeals etc? She has managed to nail the Appeal Court judges down on the singular issue that he will/won't be tortured if the Jordanian govt gets their hands on him. Now all she has to do is find a way for Jordan to prove they won't torture him, and to do that I think she should now offer the Jordanian govt the opportunity to come to the UK and question him here under very close and exact supervision. He's already been convicted in absentia so it could be a formality if they questioned him here and then took him back with them. Theresa May is using the law to get the result we all want, and for that she should be commended, not condemned. | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here!" The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... | |||
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"So do you trust a female political leader?... A Labour one? No. A Tory one? Maybe. A LiBDem one? hahahahahhaha...
Which Tory woman? Theresa May seems to be only one allowed to speak.
I didn't think the question was aimed at a current female MP. I thought it meant generally at some time in the future. Cameron's job is safe for another 8 years but I fear if he wins in 2015 there will be a few people lining up to push him out so they can have their bite at the cherry (incidentally, I don't believe a sitting PM should be ousted without there being a general election. I didn't like Major doing it to Thatcher, not Brown to Blair - although I now believe Blair played him like a kipper and got out before being thrown out by the electorate)
So any female Tory would be a better PM than any Labour or LibDem one. Even though they rarely get a front bench position?
Er, yes, if she's a Tory then she'd be more likely to find me agreeing with her. "Until the next time they come up with policies that directly affect the Wishy household....then it will be 'All change please' | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... " January 2012 ECHR judges rule the cleric can be sent back to Jordan with diplomatic assurances but he cannot be deported while "there remains real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him". ~ 6 February 2012 SIAC rules he can be released on bail despite posing a risk to national security. ~ 9 February 2012 David Cameron and King Abdullah of Jordan agree on the "importance of finding an effective resolution" to this case, Downing Street says. ~ 13 February 2012 Abu Qatada is released on bail from Long Lartin prison. ~ 17 April 2012 He is re-arrested as the government prepares to deport him to Jordan. Home Office officials thought Abu Qatada's three-month deadline to appeal to the ECHR expired on 16 April. Home Secretary Theresa May tells MPs about fresh assurances that the radical cleric will get a fair trial. ~ 18 April 2012 The ECHR says it has received a last-minute appeal from Abu Qatada's lawyers. They say the deadline to appeal ran out on 17 April. Mrs May disputes this. ~ 9 May 2012 The radical cleric loses his attempt to make an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against his deportation. The court says a panel of judges of the Grand Chamber found the appeal had arrived in time - but refused it. Home Secretary Theresa May says she is confident Abu Qatada will soon be "out of Britain for good". ~ Not a mention of 1948 or 1966 there at all. Lots of stuff about the ECHR though. You were saying? | |||
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"Until the next time they come up with policies that directly affect the Wishy household....then it will be 'All change please'" What is it you want me to say? That I will gladly hand over all my hard earned cash to people I don't know and haven't earned it? If you do it, I will. Fair enough?  | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE.
yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them..
think there will be a lot more angry folk in 2 yrs time..
on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.."I could not agree more with this last bit. Too many students seem by and large to be far too well-adjusted and cool for their own good. We were always angry! | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... " Spot on! | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... " Surely not hahaha | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... January 2012 ECHR judges rule the cleric can be sent back to Jordan with diplomatic assurances but he cannot be deported while "there remains real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him". ~ 6 February 2012 SIAC rules he can be released on bail despite posing a risk to national security. ~ 9 February 2012 David Cameron and King Abdullah of Jordan agree on the "importance of finding an effective resolution" to this case, Downing Street says. ~ 13 February 2012 Abu Qatada is released on bail from Long Lartin prison. ~ 17 April 2012 He is re-arrested as the government prepares to deport him to Jordan. Home Office officials thought Abu Qatada's three-month deadline to appeal to the ECHR expired on 16 April. Home Secretary Theresa May tells MPs about fresh assurances that the radical cleric will get a fair trial. ~ 18 April 2012 The ECHR says it has received a last-minute appeal from Abu Qatada's lawyers. They say the deadline to appeal ran out on 17 April. Mrs May disputes this. ~ 9 May 2012 The radical cleric loses his attempt to make an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against his deportation. The court says a panel of judges of the Grand Chamber found the appeal had arrived in time - but refused it. Home Secretary Theresa May says she is confident Abu Qatada will soon be "out of Britain for good". ~ Not a mention of 1948 or 1966 there at all. Lots of stuff about the ECHR though. You were saying?" It's the mechanism by which the ECHR can be used and the UK's part. As far as I was aware its the UK judges that have said no today and it's that evidence allegedly gained by torture could be used against him being sited as the reason. Sack the judges or just over rule them. Get him on a plane ASAP. Best make it a drone that we wouldn't be to worried about losing over an ocean | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! All the stupid mare has done is make the whole country look like her. Why doesnt she resign and save the country an absolute fortune in incompetent fuck ups. How much has she WASTED on trying to do her job ????? Even the legal aid guys are running rings around her and her office "did labour under bliar/brown not try to get rid of him?,no of course they did feckin nothing!,13 years they were content to clothe and feed him and his offspring with OUR taxes!,theresa may at least got off her arse and tried to get rid of the terrorist!. | |||
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"It should be a walk in the park for labour to get elected next time, and it would be if David Miliband was leader. But Ed just doesnt have that prime minister quality about him and am not sure labour will win with him in charge. Chuka Umunna should be the next leader. " Chuka for me too | |||
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" did labour under bliar/brown not try to get rid of him?,no of course they did feckin nothing!,13 years they were content to clothe and feed him and his offspring with OUR taxes!,theresa may at least got off her arse and tried to get rid of the terrorist!." thats factually incorrect.. labour tried several times to get shut of him... | |||
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" did labour under bliar/brown not try to get rid of him?,no of course they did feckin nothing!,13 years they were content to clothe and feed him and his offspring with OUR taxes!,theresa may at least got off her arse and tried to get rid of the terrorist!. thats factually incorrect.. labour tried several times to get shut of him..." In which case, why are those who seem to support the team that has already failed, ragging on those who are trying to do that now and having a little more success! No room to call anybody in my book! | |||
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" did labour under bliar/brown not try to get rid of him?,no of course they did feckin nothing!,13 years they were content to clothe and feed him and his offspring with OUR taxes!,theresa may at least got off her arse and tried to get rid of the terrorist!. thats factually incorrect.. labour tried several times to get shut of him... In which case, why are those who seem to support the team that has already failed, ragging on those who are trying to do that now and having a little more success! No room to call anybody in my book! "cant actually answer for those who do so on either side of this one.. political point scoring..? | |||
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"I don't care either way....they are all as bad as one another when they get elected. " would agree by and large.. there are some really decent people who are politicians at all levels.. however most of them are riding the gravy train till the wheels fall off.. at which point 'you and i' will have to buy even nicer more expensive ones for them.. | |||
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"I don't care either way....they are all as bad as one another when they get elected. would agree by and large.. there are some really decent people who are politicians at all levels.. however most of them are riding the gravy train till the wheels fall off.. at which point 'you and i' will have to buy even nicer more expensive ones for them.." ooppss I added to it -) | |||
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"I don't care either way.....they are all as bad as one another when they get elected. I don't however have rose coloured glasses on, even with the party I did vote for....but I do think some people wear those glasses a lot "some do indeed.. snake oil salesmen have it off to a tee, tell 'them' what they want to hear and you can sell them any old tut.. maybe we get the politicians we deserve.. hey ho.. | |||
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"I vote for whoever benefits me financially which is generally the Tories. Steve" no independence for you then? | |||
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"I don't care either way.....they are all as bad as one another when they get elected. I don't however have rose coloured glasses on, even with the party I did vote for....but I do think some people wear those glasses a lot
some do indeed..
snake oil salesmen have it off to a tee, tell 'them' what they want to hear and you can sell them any old tut..
maybe we get the politicians we deserve..
hey ho.. "I think we do. We have a largely politically apathetic society who take their right to vote for granted. Instead of voting they prefer to moan and not look at how to change things. | |||
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"It should be a walk in the park for labour to get elected next time, and it would be if David Miliband was leader. But Ed just doesnt have that prime minister quality about him and am not sure labour will win with him in charge. Chuka Umunna should be the next leader. Chuka for me too "Huge ace in Labour's pack | |||
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"I vote for whoever benefits me financially which is generally the Tories. Steve no independence for you then?" Nope but then I am an Englishman living in Scotland. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015....." he assumes a lot of things, and i wouldnt be to sure on your point wishy, theres a lot going on, anf the tories are hanging on by thefre finger nails, dont forget this clown cameron has hit a lot of the poorer people in our sociaty, and give huge tax rebates to the rich, so i wouldnt assume anything | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE.
yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them..
think there will be a lot more angry folk in 2 yrs time..
on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst.."You were here for the riots a couple of years ago weren't you??? | |||
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"Problem with politicians is that most of them...the careers ones that is....would be unemployable in the real world.. " A little ironic given the subject of the thread! But I agree that politics as a career has ruined politics in this country. It's given us people motivated by money and progression and influenced only by historical theories, biases and the media - and consequently an electorate that largely doesn't give a shit. | |||
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"If it boots the Tories out, we'll be voting Labour in 2015 whether Labour can win or not
This is the year that the Coalition will start buying back votes. You watch the next few budgets and there will be some giveaways by George to push the opinion polls in their favour. It always happens that way; a sitting govt taking a beating mid-term and clawing it back in the run in to the next GE.
yes but your assumption is based on selfish folk swayed by a few crumbs tossed to them..
think there will be a lot more angry folk in 2 yrs time..
on another point when the fuck are the youth going to get angry and show some angst..
You were here for the riots a couple of years ago weren't you???"err yes m8 and whilst i watched that one i have been on duty during others so do know what one is.. where or when have i said that anger and angst can only be demonstrated by rioting..??? we had similar issues in the 70's and it led to a lot of creative outlets for said.. | |||
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"I don't care either way.....they are all as bad as one another when they get elected. I don't however have rose coloured glasses on, even with the party I did vote for....but I do think some people wear those glasses a lot
some do indeed..
snake oil salesmen have it off to a tee, tell 'them' what they want to hear and you can sell them any old tut..
maybe we get the politicians we deserve..
hey ho..
I think we do. We have a largely politically apathetic society who take their right to vote for granted. Instead of voting they prefer to moan and not look at how to change things."spot on.. folk have died to earn the right to vote.. maybe make it compulsory..? | |||
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"WHAT?.....,another 13 years of labour government?,did you learn nothing in the 23 years of torture we had from blaiar/brown ruining the country?.
just pray they not get back in until the mess that the last labur givernment is cleared upat least!."Blair and Brown ran the country for 23 years?.....at least get the basic facts right | |||
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! The mechanism that keeps the UK from sending him back to Jordan is The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and The International Bill of Human Rights (1966)....both United Nations treaties. I think you will find that both of these preceded Blair and Brown. But of course making political points that suit your argument are very much in the style of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express.... January 2012 ECHR judges rule the cleric can be sent back to Jordan with diplomatic assurances but he cannot be deported while "there remains real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him". ~ 6 February 2012 SIAC rules he can be released on bail despite posing a risk to national security. ~ 9 February 2012 David Cameron and King Abdullah of Jordan agree on the "importance of finding an effective resolution" to this case, Downing Street says. ~ 13 February 2012 Abu Qatada is released on bail from Long Lartin prison. ~ 17 April 2012 He is re-arrested as the government prepares to deport him to Jordan. Home Office officials thought Abu Qatada's three-month deadline to appeal to the ECHR expired on 16 April. Home Secretary Theresa May tells MPs about fresh assurances that the radical cleric will get a fair trial. ~ 18 April 2012 The ECHR says it has received a last-minute appeal from Abu Qatada's lawyers. They say the deadline to appeal ran out on 17 April. Mrs May disputes this. ~ 9 May 2012 The radical cleric loses his attempt to make an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against his deportation. The court says a panel of judges of the Grand Chamber found the appeal had arrived in time - but refused it. Home Secretary Theresa May says she is confident Abu Qatada will soon be "out of Britain for good". ~ Not a mention of 1948 or 1966 there at all. Lots of stuff about the ECHR though. You were saying?" Maybe you should rely less on your Wikipedia pages and do a little more research on your Human Rights Treaties.... It took the ECHR to remind the UK of their obligations to the UN treaty, if you have any doubts look up the full ECHR briefing on the case.... ps. you won't find it on Wikipedia, you will have to work harder. | |||
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"Red or blue, the only people losing in 2015 will be the public.....again "
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"Red or blue, the only people losing in 2015 will be the public.....again
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"Red or blue, the only people losing in 2015 will be the public.....again
Well, the less well off ones anyway. The millionaires will be just fine."They're always fine, if they don't like it, they move themselves, their assets or both, to somewhere they do like.....it's the rest of us that have to lump it | |||
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"Seriously you want someone one with those scruples at the helm?" Thatcher and her Tory cronies at the time who ripped the Country to shreds were saints then? And the current shower at the helm are no better | |||
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"Simply: Ed Miliband is unelectable as a potential Prime Minister. How do I know? His own brother has quit politics because he couldn't serve under his brother. Does that mean that David can't stand Ed? Not at all, but I think David is realistic to know that Ed can't win a general election and if David then took over as party leader he wouldn't want the ignominy of belonging to a family with TWO general election losers. That's why I believe Ed Miliband can't win in 2015. "who do u see taking over the running us all into the ground job party wise in your opinion?  | |||
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"If labour get in the country is stuffed. Balls was part of the team who screwed the economy up last time. He has no shsme at doing so and his policy is to just borrow more to pay off the borrowing we already have.Try ppaying your overdraft off with your credit card to see how that works. Milliband got the backing of the unions in order to shaft his brother. Seriously you want someone one with those scruples at the helm? And lets remember this is the party that Bliar built and used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Illegally. How many people died to satisfy the ego of Tony Bliar? " Screwed up the economy last time???? Do you mean when the country had the 2nd lowest deficit in the world? Or do you mean when the US banking crisis threatened to cripple the UK and leave it in a far far worse state than it is now? Have a read up on how Keynes & Roosevelt dragged the U.S. out of the worse depression in history. Also, correct me if I am wrong but as I remember the 'facts' (in the loosest of terms) on Iraq & Afghanistan were put to parliament, the whole of parliament at the time voted in favour of invading. Those who voted yes include a lot of the shower who are destroying the country now. So please enlighten us as to how Tony Blair alone was responsible for this 'illegal' war which was not illegal by the way. | |||
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"WHAT?.....,another 13 years of labour government?,did you learn nothing in the 23 years of torture we had from bliar/brown ruining the country?.
just pray they not get back in until the mess that the last labur givernment is cleared upat least!.
Blair and Brown ran the country for 23 years?.....at least get the basic facts right"was just a mere slip of the pen m'dear.
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"The facts ...ie the made up dossier about chemical weapons was put to parliament bliar got the vote through and to its eternal shame we illegally invaded. The deficit was kept down because he kept the likes of PFI off the books. Thanks to Bliar and Brown every man womanand child in the uk had a share of the nnational debt to the tune of 60000 pounds. Brown was told repeatedly to ease back the spending. Instead he "adjusted the economic cycle" to make it look like he wasn't breaking his own rules. Brown and Bliar both charlatans and one an egotistical murderer as well." | |||
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"The facts ...ie the made up dossier about chemical weapons was put to parliament bliar got the vote through and to its eternal shame we illegally invaded. The deficit was kept down because he kept the likes of PFI off the books. Thanks to Bliar and Brown every man womanand child in the uk had a share of the nnational debt to the tune of 60000 pounds. Brown was told repeatedly to ease back the spending. Instead he "adjusted the economic cycle" to make it look like he wasn't breaking his own rules. Brown and Bliar both charlatans and one an egotistical murderer as well." Look up Halabja massacre and then tell us Saddam had no chemical weapons
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"Why on earth do folk look at the personalities and not what each party can do. My prediction is and bear in mind i am usually correct is labour will win. Clegg has fucked the liberals forever. Cameron possibly most inept prime minister since john major. The bedroom tax along with fact the elite are getting massive tax cut will be the coalitions poll tax." This is why Labour WILL win the next election, as bad as you THINK Miliband is everyone KNOWS how bad Cameron and Cleg are. They are both unelectable now (not that either where elected in the first place) and there are no other alternatives. | |||
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"How many of you even cast their vote? Be honest" Me - for the yellow liar scum on the basis it was the only possible way that a vote might have any worth in a Tory heartland, after Brown screwed up Labours chances. And then watched them hand power to Cameron. If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems. | |||
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"Bliar ignored both. " And good on him
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"Saddams chem weapons had been destroyed. He had no delivery system. To call it a threat to the west was an out and out lie. Illegal yes. UN said no. EU said no. Bliar ignored both. " Westminster said Yes. Blair wasn't elected to the UN or the EU but he was re-elected to Westminster after the start of the war. | |||
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"Why on earth do folk look at the personalities and not what each party can do. " Because the parties are so centralised these days, centre-left or centre-right that it now comes down to the personality and how decisive or adaptable they are perceived to be. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud." Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. | |||
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" If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems." +1 They played the worst sort of duplicitous politics, and pretended to be different. They deserve nothing less than to be wiped out. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him." He pulled off the con job of the century. How the hell he can sleep with so many deaths on his conscience is beyond me. | |||
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"How many of you even cast their vote? Be honest Me - for the yellow liar scum on the basis it was the only possible way that a vote might have any worth in a Tory heartland, after Brown screwed up Labours chances. And then watched them hand power to Cameron. If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems." Bravo. At least one that vote and accept her choice I admire your honesty Note to all the other keyboard warriors: you don't like the politicians, use your vote | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. He pulled off the con job of the century. How the hell he can sleep with so many deaths on his conscience is beyond me. " There have been many 'con jobs' by leaders of all political persuasion, and many of them have led to multiple deaths..... Let us not try to make out that Blair was the first UK leader to enter us into war....legal or illegal means nothing. | |||
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".............If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems." 6 weeks ago I'd have said that was a dead cert but after Eastleigh, I just don't know what the Lib Dems have to do to get kicked out. | |||
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".............If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems. 6 weeks ago I'd have said that was a dead cert but after Eastleigh, I just don't know what the Lib Dems have to do to get kicked out." Are you telling us that they are like Abu Quatadar???  | |||
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".............If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems. 6 weeks ago I'd have said that was a dead cert but after Eastleigh, I just don't know what the Lib Dems have to do to get kicked out." I know! 
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"Theresa May should stay "HOME" and never visit an office again. How many times has she fucked up deporting a single convicted illegal immigrant. Mind you with Dave as an example to follow, maybe it aint her fault after all. At least she's trying to get rid of him, unlike Blair/Brown who signed us up to the very mechanism he's now using to keep himself here! All the stupid mare has done is make the whole country look like her. Why doesnt she resign and save the country an absolute fortune in incompetent fuck ups. How much has she WASTED on trying to do her job ????? Even the legal aid guys are running rings around her and her office
Do you understand what the Home Sec has really been doing with all these appeals etc?
She has managed to nail the Appeal Court judges down on the singular issue that he will/won't be tortured if the Jordanian govt gets their hands on him. Now all she has to do is find a way for Jordan to prove they won't torture him, and to do that I think she should now offer the Jordanian govt the opportunity to come to the UK and question him here under very close and exact supervision. He's already been convicted in absentia so it could be a formality if they questioned him here and then took him back with them.
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"Any one who got caught in a pose with a half peeled bananna and a squint grin like he did is now unelectable and that is simply down to the huge power of visual media. Labour's only hope is back in the hands of a Scotsman....Douglas Alexander." Yes...he's a frontrunner. | |||
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"Add it up..... Labour in power for Thirteen years Massive deficit Questionable military action Banking crisis Gordon Brown hopelessly disliked by the electorate Yet the Tories STILL couldn't win a majority?......hardly a major political power." yep, and in 2015 how many more tories will have crossed over to UKIP.. 2010 should have been a walkover similar to 97, question for tory voters (or those who change their vote to suit) is how much more popular is 'our Dave' going to be in 2 yrs time..? | |||
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" If there's anything I'd like to see at the next election it's the destruction of the lib dems. +1 They played the worst sort of duplicitous politics, and pretended to be different. They deserve nothing less than to be wiped out. " I won't vote for the libdems because they did a u-turn over student loans. The excuse that they didn't know what state the economy was in was facile because government accounts are available to the opposition, so they would have known. Remember, we're all in this together - even millionaires who became £50k better off under this coalition. | |||
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" Remember, we're all in this together - even millionaires who became £50k better off under this coalition. " yep.. is it 17 of the 23 current cabinet members who just happen to be millionaires..? | |||
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" Remember, we're all in this together - even millionaires who became £50k better off under this coalition. yep.. is it 17 of the 23 current cabinet members who just happen to be millionaires..? " Money is often the by-product of success. What point are you trying to make? I'm sure there are millionaires in all political parties. Isn't Branson a Labour donator/supporter? | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. Is that the case now ? Liar , cheat and a traitor !" Ok....I have to ask....traitor? Exactly how has he been a traitor?....traitor to whom? | |||
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" Remember, we're all in this together - even millionaires who became £50k better off under this coalition. yep.. is it 17 of the 23 current cabinet members who just happen to be millionaires..? Money is often the by-product of success. What point are you trying to make? I'm sure there are millionaires in all political parties. Isn't Branson a Labour donator/supporter?" the simple and oh so obvious point that 'were all in it together is sickening in its hypocrisy' and money whilst being an indicator of success is also inherited, bit like a baronetcy.. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. Is that the case now ? Liar , cheat and a traitor ! Ok....I have to ask....traitor? Exactly how has he been a traitor?....traitor to whom?" To his socialist principles. I've never seen a rich socialist. Not a true one anyway. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. Is that the case now ? Liar , cheat and a traitor ! Ok....I have to ask....traitor? Exactly how has he been a traitor?....traitor to whom? To his socialist principles. I've never seen a rich socialist. Not a true one anyway." So all Labour MP's and supporters have to be Pure Socialists? Pure Socialism, or Ultra Left Wing politics, is just one facet of Labour...in the same way that many Hard Core Tories, or Ultra Right Wing Tories were supporters of the Nazi party and still practice similar principals. To suggest that Blair had to practice Pure Socialism only shows that you have never understood the meaning of New Labour. Blair and Co. changed the direction of the Labour party away from it's Pure Socialism roots, and for good reason. Tweaking a political party doesn't make the leaders of that party traitors...it makes them realists. And for a Tory supporter to criticise someone for their personal wealth....when they openly advocate people doing well for themselves on these forums? | |||
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"Getting a bit heavy this thread isn't it ? At the end of the day a politician is a politician . They all talk shit " | |||
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" Remember, we're all in this together - even millionaires who became £50k better off under this coalition. yep.. is it 17 of the 23 current cabinet members who just happen to be millionaires..? " just out of curiosity, how many poor Shadow Cabinet members are there? | |||
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" just out of curiosity, how many poor Shadow Cabinet members are there? " not advocating that to be a member of the cabinet one should be poor, though maybe a dose of what is life in the 'real world' for some may open their eyes.. as with the 2010 election in 2015 the gap between rich and poor will have widened, there will be more children growing up in poverty with all the constraints and restrictions for their own lives that entail.. its not about left and right, blue or red (yellow is so yesterday).. my point about the 17 /23 etc is they and we are clearly not in anything together, never were and never will be.. hey ho as long as sky tv works and corrie's on 4 times a day.. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. Is that the case now ? Liar , cheat and a traitor ! Ok....I have to ask....traitor? Exactly how has he been a traitor?....traitor to whom? To his socialist principles. I've never seen a rich socialist. Not a true one anyway. So all Labour MP's and supporters have to be Pure Socialists? Pure Socialism, or Ultra Left Wing politics, is just one facet of Labour...in the same way that many Hard Core Tories, or Ultra Right Wing Tories were supporters of the Nazi party and still practice similar principals. To suggest that Blair had to practice Pure Socialism only shows that you have never understood the meaning of New Labour. Blair and Co. changed the direction of the Labour party away from it's Pure Socialism roots, and for good reason. Tweaking a political party doesn't make the leaders of that party traitors...it makes them realists. And for a Tory supporter to criticise someone for their personal wealth....when they openly advocate people doing well for themselves on these forums?" | |||
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"Any one who got caught in a pose with a half peeled bananna and a squint grin like he did is now unelectable and that is simply down to the huge power of visual media. Labour's only hope is back in the hands of a Scotsman....Douglas Alexander. Yes...he's a frontrunner. "Don't write off Chuka Ummuna either | |||
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"And now the latest is that David Miliband has resigned as Vice Chairman of Sunderland FC because of past political statements made by new incoming manager Paulo DiCanio.. who is a fascist apparently. I'm sorry, but this sounds more like Miliband severing his ties with South Shields as quickly as he can. He is so transparent." although,apparently still feared,in his impending absence. | |||
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"And now the latest is that David Miliband has resigned as Vice Chairman of Sunderland FC because of past political statements made by new incoming manager Paulo DiCanio.. who is a fascist apparently. I'm sorry, but this sounds more like Miliband severing his ties with South Shields as quickly as he can. He is so transparent." He's going to be working in New York, why wouldn't he sever ties with South Shields? As for Di Canio, he has said he is a fascist, there is no "apparently" about it. Hence why The GMB withdrew sponsorship of Swindon Town when he joined. These are the facts | |||
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"And now the latest is that David Miliband has resigned as Vice Chairman of Sunderland FC because of past political statements made by new incoming manager Paulo DiCanio.. who is a fascist apparently. I'm sorry, but this sounds more like Miliband severing his ties with South Shields as quickly as he can. He is so transparent." think you may have gotten Ed mixed up David.. apparently.. | |||
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".........But the unions were happy and didn't try and get rid of Bliar. That's the reason he spent it. The man was a liar a charlatan and a fraud. Thankfully the bulk of the electorate didn't agree and re-elected him. Is that the case now ? Liar , cheat and a traitor ! Ok....I have to ask....traitor? Exactly how has he been a traitor?....traitor to whom? To his socialist principles. I've never seen a rich socialist. Not a true one anyway. So all Labour MP's and supporters have to be Pure Socialists? Pure Socialism, or Ultra Left Wing politics, is just one facet of Labour...in the same way that many Hard Core Tories, or Ultra Right Wing Tories were supporters of the Nazi party and still practice similar principals. To suggest that Blair had to practice Pure Socialism only shows that you have never understood the meaning of New Labour. Blair and Co. changed the direction of the Labour party away from it's Pure Socialism roots, and for good reason. Tweaking a political party doesn't make the leaders of that party traitors...it makes them realists. And for a Tory supporter to criticise someone for their personal wealth....when they openly advocate people doing well for themselves on these forums?" | |||
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"Simply: Ed Miliband is unelectable as a potential Prime Minister. How do I know? His own brother has quit politics because he couldn't serve under his brother. Does that mean that David can't stand Ed? Not at all, but I think David is realistic to know that Ed can't win a general election and if David then took over as party leader he wouldn't want the ignominy of belonging to a family with TWO general election losers. That's why I believe Ed Miliband can't win in 2015. "I can't take Ed Miliband seriously. He looks about 12. I know it's hard with the conservative government but they have reduced our debt somewhat. I dunno, whoever gets in will be hated for one reason or another. | |||
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" I know it's hard with the conservative government but they have reduced our debt somewhat. I dunno, whoever gets in will be hated for one reason or another." the defecit may have been reduced by whatever Osborne is saying but the 'debt' has sky rocketed to over £1.1 trillion.. | |||
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"You are assuming that Ed will be the Labour leader in 2015..... Do they have an alternative? I can't see Ed being unseated and then Labour trying to promote a new guy/gal in time to win in 2015. It's only 2 years away with 7th May the most likely date for it. Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country? "Except as interim leaders. Reserve pool of Labour, as Marx put it | |||
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"Interestingly, there has never been a female leader of the Labour Party. Don't they trust women to run the country?
Except as interim leaders. Reserve pool of Labour, as Marx put it"I think Marx's 'reserve army of labour' (small L!) referred to the unemployed, and how they are a necessary part of a capitalist economy, not to women. | |||
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"Ed Milliband David Milliband Glenn Millerband Steve Millerband. Hard to tell the difference. " Steve is the odd one out. The other 3 are dead in the water  | |||
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"We will see an straight Conservative government in 2015. 2020 is the election to watch." 7 more years until Labour returns us to the stone age then? What a depressing thought | |||
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