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What is deception?
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By (user no longer on site) OP 37 weeks ago
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How do you view what deception is?
I do have a reason for this question, but I would like just peoples views. When you hear the word deception, What are you imagining?
And can it be excused? |
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I generally think deception = bad person and malicious behaviour but I do know of scenarios (usually business related) where someone feels they have been deceived but in reality they had a particular worldview and made multiple assumptions that were just not correct and then others didn’t disabuse them of that notion. I would say things are not as clear cut as you might imagine. |
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In it's most base form it means something along the lines of 'to take from' ....... so that you benefit from others by gaining things under deceit or false reason ...
e.g. pretending to have an illness and people setting up a go fund for you.
Or telling your mate you have no money ( even though you have your five grand for your summer holiday saved ) and they sub you in the pub all night.
Telling a bird you can't go on top cos you've done your back in and so she cowboys you all the time
yada yada .. |
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I'd say it's just unspoken lies in a way woody but it differs in that the person is deliberately hoping to gain from the deceit .....
I'd say , just like lies, there can be good reason e.g. your girlfriend takes you out for the day knowing that everyone is busy getting a party going for you ...... it's deceit but it's a well intentioned deceit
Deception does not require an incorrect statement or lie .....
Lying requires an incorrect statement
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"When someone deceives us, all they really did was to tell us the lies we believe about ourselves are true. "
Noooooooooo lying requires false statement , deception does not .. I think allowing you to believe the things you believe whilst thinking another can be a deception though .... |
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I'd say , just like lies, there can be good reason e.g. your girlfriend takes you out for the day knowing that everyone is busy getting a party going for you ...... it's deceit but it's a well intentioned deceit
Deception does not require an incorrect statement or lie .....
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There is no deceit in this example only distraction. |
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I guess it depends on the reason for the deception.
If the deception is about something that directly affects or relates to someone else and can/will cause them harm, then it’s a bad thing. Personally I can’t stand it.
If someone is obscuring the truth of a situation, either through lies or withholding information, then that’s deceptive behaviour |
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"When someone deceives us, all they really did was to tell us the lies we believe about ourselves are true.
Noooooooooo lying requires false statement , deception does not .. I think allowing you to believe the things you believe whilst thinking another can be a deception though .... "
Exactly. Deception only confirms the false statement but to do so a priori the false statement must be present. A lie is a statement taken on its own. A deceit has to be applied to a held idea, understanding or belief. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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Whats the reason woody? Has someone accused you of deceiving them or do you think someone may have deceived you? Or are you doing a project for work on deception?
I guess it has two sides, the action and the perception? I don’t think I’ve met anyone online who doesn’t deceive to an extent, most folks want to be seen as different or better than they really are, but then if you don’t know the truth about someone then you might not know enough to judge the situation either. Like for example some of the decepticons in the transformers may have just been bullied into it by megatron and deep down some of them were nice robots….  |
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Causing someone to believe something is true that isn't, or to accept a falsehood as truth.
Is it always a bad thing? I don't think it is. How many of us have been complicit in the great Santa Claus deception? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 37 weeks ago
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"Causing someone to believe something is true that isn't, or to accept a falsehood as truth.
Is it always a bad thing? I don't think it is. How many of us have been complicit in the great Santa Claus deception?"
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"Causing someone to believe something is true that isn't, or to accept a falsehood as truth.
Is it always a bad thing? I don't think it is. How many of us have been complicit in the great Santa Claus deception?"
Santa is a perfect example of deception v lie. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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It's literally all around us - look at how people portray themselves on insta - influencers for example, advertising, marketing.... women using make-up to glow-up /catfish
We're deceived daily by politicians.... religion is probably the biggest, accepted and celebrated deception of all.... and probably the biggest killer
So yeah, pay attention woody.. You can spot it if you look hard, read the clues and use your brain
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"So do you see it as a negative thing? "
Not always. Lying to deliberately hurt someone or knowing you should have just been truthful is evil but I'm not going to feel bad about telling my kids the easter bunny brings their eggs. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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Wikipedia:-
"Deception is an act or statement that misleads, hides the truth, or promotes a belief, concept, or idea that is not true. This occurs when a deceiver uses information against a person to make them believe an idea is true. Deception can be used with both verbal and nonverbal messages. The person creating the deception knows it to be false while the receiver of the message has a tendency to believe it (although it's not always the case).It is often done for personal gain or advantage. Deception can involve dissimulation, propaganda and sleight of hand as well as distraction, camouflage or concealment. There is also self-deception, as in bad faith. It can also be called, with varying subjective implications, beguilement, deceit, bluff, mystification, ruse, or subterfuge.
Deception is a major relational transgression that often leads to feelings of betrayal and distrust between relational partners. Deception violates relational rules and is considered to be a negative violation of expectations. Most people expect friends, relational partners, and even strangers to be truthful most of the time. If people expected most conversations to be untruthful, talking and communicating with others would require distraction and misdirection to acquire reliable information. A significant amount of deception occurs between some romantic and relational partners." |
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By *ooBulMan 37 weeks ago
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Why do magicians use beautiful assistants?
No, seriously, why?
To get yer to look at her big titties? Or her gorgeous legs going up to her armpits. Or a slap(able) peachy bum Or the tan costume that on first reflection that gets yer going "holy fuck! Is she naked? Oh no, shucks! Shes not. Dang!!!!"
By that time the magicians over the hills & far away.....
So, it's all a purposely done with mirrors. A manipulation.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch & a bit of slight of hand later pulling a shaggy ("it wasn't me!) David Copperfield reminds me of that. Flashy & charismatic. He made an elephant disappear i read somewhere. However, he's linked with Fallun Daffa an organised cult religion. Some of the things they tell you what you can & can't do is unbelievable...???
As I like martial arts their book said I could only do their Qi Gong (energy exercises), fuck that! I threw the book away in the bin to recycle.
I'm not having a book/person/organisation/following telling me what I should do. Fuck off!!!
So, there are varying types in this world? Makes you think....    |
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"Misleading someone deliberately either by lying or concealment.
Yes it can sometimes be acceptable "
I deceive my father all the time. Otherwise, it would be impossible to interact with him. So yes, it's sometimes acceptable. |
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Some people are more easily deceived than others and for me the term is very subjective.
For example there are lots of people who are influenced by social media or celebrities into buying into certain ideas or products and I find that deceptive.
I find self help books to be deceptive.
I have found that many of those who are all clued in on the latest buzzwords are the most gullible and easily deceived.
Within the walls of fab there are many ways of flattering to deceive and many public personas that bear no resemblance to the private person hiding behind them.
Manipulation and deception while using the smoke and mirrors of nice profile pics isn't as uncommon as you might think. |
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"So do you see it as a negative thing? "
Always I think.
Sometimes I might limit the truth or the method like giving constructive feedback to benefit a person , or choosing not to complain or get angry but that’s not trying to deceive them, that’s being wise for a higher cause |
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"So do you see it as a negative thing?
Always I think.
Sometimes I might limit the truth or the method like giving constructive feedback to benefit a person , or choosing not to complain or get angry but that’s not trying to deceive them, that’s being wise for a higher cause "
What about when your Dad with dementia thinks his mother is alive? Better to go along with it (deceive) or make him upset by telling him his mother died in 1998? |
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"So do you see it as a negative thing?
Always I think.
Sometimes I might limit the truth or the method like giving constructive feedback to benefit a person , or choosing not to complain or get angry but that’s not trying to deceive them, that’s being wise for a higher cause
What about when your Dad with dementia thinks his mother is alive? Better to go along with it (deceive) or make him upset by telling him his mother died in 1998?"
Tough one. Never had to face that one myself, but I can think of similar (but different) situations with the children and old people. It’s probably a bad idea remind them that their loved ones are dead, so I’d probably try to avoid that situation and turn the conversation to things that support them without lying and get professional advice.
Must be really hard for you to deal with.
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