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"I think you've totally misread or misheard Tom ....... You really should check your news before you mis inform everyone else. " Tom is a mere reporter and you are the editor Granny... | |||
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"As far as I'm aware Tom is correct. Which is why I tell my kids they're in for it once we cross the bridge and they'd better behave. " Tom tries to be correct and rarely posts his sources as it implies that he needs to prove that he is correct. But why wait to cross the bridge. Can it in theory be done half way. ? With the pandemic lockdown wasn't there. Welsh village on the border with one pub open in he Welsh part and one pub closed in the English part .. ? | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle "If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude? If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? | |||
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"As far as I'm aware Tom is correct. Which is why I tell my kids they're in for it once we cross the bridge and they'd better behave. Tom tries to be correct and rarely posts his sources as it implies that he needs to prove that he is correct. But why wait to cross the bridge. Can it in theory be done half way. ? With the pandemic lockdown wasn't there. Welsh village on the border with one pub open in he Welsh part and one pub closed in the English part .. ?" Hmm the welcome to England sign is after the bridge, don't want to risk it. | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle "It's possible to punish without needing to slap a child. Just takes a little thought and effort. Not sure kids are any more unruly now than before. There are enough older dickheads about to suggest the good old days of spanking were no more effective. | |||
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"Are some confusing reasonable chastisement of a child with a physical assault" Yes, some do confuse chastisement with smacking | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
It's possible to punish without needing to slap a child. Just takes a little thought and effort.
Not sure kids are any more unruly now than before. There are enough older dickheads about to suggest the good old days of spanking were no more effective.". Quite.. and many people's poor ability to communicate through conflicts | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? "It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows  | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows "Punishment & learning through fear & fear of punishment or learning through correction chastisement, communication, rewards, agency, encouragement & empowerment to be better? I think lots of people avoid conflict because they haven't the communication tools to engage & resolve conflicts in a constructive manner. Do we 'punish' criminals with smacking? | |||
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"It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly " And when the adult is not responsible, acts in anger or under the influence of whatever substance..? All that does is enforce that might is right, 'a bigger' person has the option of using violence as a norm in a disagreement.. | |||
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"Lots of talk that England should follow the Welsh and Scottish and ban the mild smacking of children. Should it banned. It's all over the news" Should smacking in swinging be banned? | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows
Punishment & learning through fear & fear of punishment or learning through correction chastisement, communication, rewards, agency, encouragement & empowerment to be better?
I think lots of people avoid conflict because they haven't the communication tools to engage & resolve conflicts in a constructive manner.
Do we 'punish' criminals with smacking? "Criminals are adults that didn't have punishment when they were growing up, someone to tell them right from wrong a light slap is hardly abuse its still a punishment mind, i didn't have to use this type of punishment with my daughters as i said but i don't disagree that its a useful tool. Children need to be taught right from wrong, cheekyness from politeness, rude from not rude, their is no discipline anymore because its reviewed as brutal or abusive but it worked. What do we have now because its certainly not working? | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows
Punishment & learning through fear & fear of punishment or learning through correction chastisement, communication, rewards, agency, encouragement & empowerment to be better?
I think lots of people avoid conflict because they haven't the communication tools to engage & resolve conflicts in a constructive manner.
Do we 'punish' criminals with smacking? Criminals are adults that didn't have punishment when they were growing up, someone to tell them right from wrong a light slap is hardly abuse its still a punishment mind, i didn't have to use this type of punishment with my daughters as i said but i don't disagree that its a useful tool. Children need to be taught right from wrong, cheekyness from politeness, rude from not rude, their is no discipline anymore because its reviewed as brutal or abusive but it worked. What do we have now because its certainly not working? "You're entirely contradicting yourself 
You claim to have brought up (I assume non-criminal?) children without need for physical punishment.
But blame the breakdown in children's behaviour (meaning what I'm not sure?) because other people don't smack their kids?  | |||
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Everything has to be in proportion. I see a lot of spoilt brats that could do with a smacking once in a while .
But again there are some loose cannon parents that could take it too far and it becomes abusive. So again everything has to be in proportion to what you disciplining the kid on | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows
Punishment & learning through fear & fear of punishment or learning through correction chastisement, communication, rewards, agency, encouragement & empowerment to be better?
I think lots of people avoid conflict because they haven't the communication tools to engage & resolve conflicts in a constructive manner.
Do we 'punish' criminals with smacking? Criminals are adults that didn't have punishment when they were growing up, someone to tell them right from wrong a light slap is hardly abuse its still a punishment mind, i didn't have to use this type of punishment with my daughters as i said but i don't disagree that its a useful tool. Children need to be taught right from wrong, cheekyness from politeness, rude from not rude, their is no discipline anymore because its reviewed as brutal or abusive but it worked. What do we have now because its certainly not working?
You're entirely contradicting yourself
You claim to have brought up (I assume non-criminal?) children without need for physical punishment.
But blame the breakdown in children's behaviour (meaning what I'm not sure?) because other people don't smack their kids? "How am i contradicting myself i believe that the odd smack is a useful way of showing a child that thats not the right thing to do, my father employed this with me and my brother and we didn't turn out to bad, i didn't use it myself because i had no need to use it but certainly the evidence of todays unruly children would say their is a need for it, not to totally outrule it. In the hands of a responsible parent it would be wisely used obviously those that would abuse it would abuse anything. | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace?" Take a look at yourself, it's not violence. It's used as a deterrent & and your use of violence is on a par with reports of assault on the police & then you find out assault can be verbal abuse in police reports. Violence is a typically emotive word used by someone with no actual argument. | |||
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"Very simple question. How can it be OK for adults to hit children but not for adults to hit each other? Setting aside consensual impact play between adults, I've never yet had a good answer to this. Mrs TMN x" It could be to stop a child being killed by running into a road etc | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace? Take a look at yourself, it's not violence. It's used as a deterrent & and your use of violence is on a par with reports of assault on the police & then you find out assault can be verbal abuse in police reports. Violence is a typically emotive word used by someone with no actual argument. " Hitting someone is violence. Would you be ok with your boss hitting you if they thought you had done something worthy of punishment? | |||
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"Very simple question. How can it be OK for adults to hit children but not for adults to hit each other? Setting aside consensual impact play between adults, I've never yet had a good answer to this. Mrs TMN x It could be to stop a child being killed by running into a road etc " That's a totally different thing than smacking for chastisement. | |||
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"Very simple question. How can it be OK for adults to hit children but not for adults to hit each other? Setting aside consensual impact play between adults, I've never yet had a good answer to this. Mrs TMN x It could be to stop a child being killed by running into a road etc " If it's a side effect of pulling someone out of the way of a vehicle, it wouldn't be smacking/violence | |||
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"I thought it had already been outlawed, i think it contributes to the unruliness of todays children because their is no punishment of their behaviour and don't forget kids mimic life they see bad behaviour they behave badly and giggle
If they mimic behaviour, does that mean that they learn that physical violence is an acceptable solution to conflict and poor behaviour/ attitude?
If it's not acceptable to smack other adults, I can't see why it is for children? It gives them an indication from a responsible adult that they've behaved badly and it tells them they will be punished for behaving badly what gives that indication today? Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, if i had had boys who knows
Punishment & learning through fear & fear of punishment or learning through correction chastisement, communication, rewards, agency, encouragement & empowerment to be better?
I think lots of people avoid conflict because they haven't the communication tools to engage & resolve conflicts in a constructive manner.
Do we 'punish' criminals with smacking? Criminals are adults that didn't have punishment when they were growing up, someone to tell them right from wrong a light slap is hardly abuse its still a punishment mind, i didn't have to use this type of punishment with my daughters as i said but i don't disagree that its a useful tool. Children need to be taught right from wrong, cheekyness from politeness, rude from not rude, their is no discipline anymore because its reviewed as brutal or abusive but it worked. What do we have now because its certainly not working? "Physical violence don't work! There are many ways to punish with out it! All it does is install fear! | |||
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"Give em a slap I say did me no harm" Ha ha! My ex used to say that! I used to say really??  x | |||
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"Lots of talk that England should follow the Welsh and Scottish and ban the mild smacking of children. Should it banned. It's all over the news" Scotland won't even allow you to be a parent. | |||
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"Are some confusing reasonable chastisement of a child with a physical assault" Where's the line, a slap is a slap, who's to judge how hard is deemed ok and what isn't assault and what is? There's no need for it full stop. Mrs | |||
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"Corporal punishment the cane got banned. Abuse. Hands up who liked getting canned ... Lines was my punishment but I was bullied which is abuse by a teacher " Tom did not mind a good caning.. each to their own | |||
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"I’ve scanned down through the thread and noticed several people pointing out that it is wrong to instill fear. Leaving the smack/don’t smack argument aside, surely all punishment is instilling fear, fear of loosing internet access, fear of being grounded, fear of having some or other privilege denied as a consequence of misbehaviour of some kind or another. Surely all punishment has its foundation in a fear. " Kinda I spose but different way! If I was to loose sweet money it was more disappointing than fear! Remembering my mum coming at me with the coat hanger or her hand was fear! X | |||
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"Is it OK to keep them in a cupboard and feed them gruel ? " omg gruel noooooooo | |||
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"Does it mention tasering kids Tom? Id hate to trip up on a technicality!! "I think the hard and fast rule is , 'as long as you leave no lasting marks you are okay' | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace? Take a look at yourself, it's not violence. It's used as a deterrent & and your use of violence is on a par with reports of assault on the police & then you find out assault can be verbal abuse in police reports. Violence is a typically emotive word used by someone with no actual argument. " Violence is not a word used by someone without argument. Violence is a word that describes an act by one person upon another e.g. physical violence can entail hitting another persons body with part of your body or another implement. Hitting someone is a violent act and the argument that is being used uses the word violence as a simple FACT and argues that one person should not use violence against another whether they are their children or not. The argument is clear. | |||
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"I was smacked as a kid and turned out alright lol
Everything has to be in proportion. I see a lot of spoilt brats that could do with a smacking once in a while .
But again there are some loose cannon parents that could take it too far and it becomes abusive. So again everything has to be in proportion to what you disciplining the kid on "Do you think we should hit the adults who annoy you too? | |||
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"Yes it should it banned, The occasional smack from my parents did me no harm and the fear of getting smacked stopped me from misbehaving but watch videos and hear kids saying "you can't touch me or I'll get you done" etc when a slap is what they do need half the time, Parents need to find another way other then hitting their children, " Good parenting is when you instill fear that you might hit them? | |||
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"Yes it should it banned, The occasional smack from my parents did me no harm and the fear of getting smacked stopped me from misbehaving but watch videos and hear kids saying "you can't touch me or I'll get you done" etc when a slap is what they do need half the time, Parents need to find another way other then hitting their children, " Oops, sorry. Got a bit trigger happy there. | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace? Take a look at yourself, it's not violence. It's used as a deterrent & and your use of violence is on a par with reports of assault on the police & then you find out assault can be verbal abuse in police reports. Violence is a typically emotive word used by someone with no actual argument. Violence is not a word used by someone without argument. Violence is a word that describes an act by one person upon another e.g. physical violence can entail hitting another persons body with part of your body or another implement. Hitting someone is a violent act and the argument that is being used uses the word violence as a simple FACT and argues that one person should not use violence against another whether they are their children or not. The argument is clear." Clear or Muddled | |||
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"People are confusing smacking with hitting " No they're not. | |||
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"People are confusing smacking with hitting No they're not. " Yes they are.. Behind you.. | |||
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"Lots of talk that England should follow the Welsh and Scottish and ban the mild smacking of children. Should it banned. It's all over the news" Yes.(Like we even have to ask this question????) | |||
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"People are confusing smacking with hitting " Smacking, hitting, slapping, what ever word you choose to use, it's choosing a hands on physical violent act rather than using words & actions to parent. Hardly constructive role modelling of communication & concequences in an acceptable manner, that the child can build on to use as adults with others, in the future. | |||
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"People are confusing smacking with hitting " Both the same!x | |||
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"Having said that i never smacked my children and they've turned out ok but i was the type to explain what they had done wrong but guess i was a good parent the best parent in actual fact, " Glad you were up to the challenge Fred. You obviously think no one else is, though. It’s quite possible to ensure bad behaviour has consequences without beating people. Gbat | |||
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"It is a tricky one, but I dont think that the state should tell parents how to raise their children." Fucking hell Shag. There’s some parents I wouldn’t trust to raise a goldfish let alone a child. Gbat | |||
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"It would be more painful for them to cut the plug off their PlayStation these days "True very true but proves no need to smack you can show them other ways how a wrong might affect them. | |||
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"Well the law allows until it is changed..." The law doesn't allow it. Section 58 of The Children's Act 2004 doesn't clarify what constitutes as 'reasonable punishment' but does clarify what isn't, suffocation, strangulation, battery, actual bodily harm can't be justified on the grounds of reasonable punishment. Other factors will be considered when making a judgement on what is or isn't lawful. A one off tap to the hand or leg as a spontaneous response is unlikely to be a ground for prosecution Systematic abuse which leaves marks, especially on certain parts of the body which aren't consistent the development of a child, e.g 'no cruise, no bruise' brusing on an immobile baby would be unusual and inconsistent with their development. Majority of accidental bruises would be seen in the bony body parts. With uncommon injury sites being the softer parts... The law does need clarity about what is acceptable however | |||
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"Teach kids self defense, take them to MMA whatever physical thing they are drawn to. But violence as a form of punishment, no.." Exactly.it teaches them fear,they may smack people or peers who do wrong. | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace?" I had a boss try physically hitting me at work once for not reaching my sales target . He ended up going to hospital not long after … So adults on adults is quite different to kids. | |||
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"I think it's some of the parents that need a good smacking. " We need to phase out violence between everyone | |||
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"It is a tricky one, but I dont think that the state should tell parents how to raise their children." Someone has to | |||
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"All you teach a child by hitting them is that it’s okay to use violence if someone does something you don’t like. " Exactly this  | |||
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"All you teach a child by hitting them is that it’s okay to use violence if someone does something you don’t like. " Spot on | |||
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"It is a tricky one, but I dont think that the state should tell parents how to raise their children." Really? So parents should be allowed to do whatever they like to their children because they are some kind of property? | |||
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"Yes it should, if you have to use violence to punish your children, or let them know they have done something wrong, then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. If it’s ok to use violence then surely bosses at work should be allowed to use it to punish poor performance in the workplace? I had a boss try physically hitting me at work once for not reaching my sales target . He ended up going to hospital not long after … So adults on adults is quite different to kids. " It’s different how, the kids are less likely to hit back? Surely that makes it even worse. | |||
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"When I was a kid I learnt pretty quickly if was naughty it could end up with a slap so for the best part I was pretty good as the thought of getting a slap was enough to make me think is doing what ever worth the risk of a slap never did me any harm It was known back then as disaplin, kids now days don't seem to know much about disaplin or respect the ones that do have probably had a slap or two" If the only way you can discipline a child is through violence then you’ve failed as a person, never mind as a parent. | |||
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"It is a tricky one, but I dont think that the state should tell parents how to raise their children. Really? So parents should be allowed to do whatever they like to their children because they are some kind of property?" It’s an interesting concept, you created them so you can do what you like to them, how far does that go? | |||
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"It is a tricky one, but I dont think that the state should tell parents how to raise their children. Really? So parents should be allowed to do whatever they like to their children because they are some kind of property?" they are property of the state thats why they have power to remove them from familys | |||
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"Studies have shown that children who are smacked tend to perform worse in school & score lower in IQ tests. These are well established findings which were published years ago from multiple sources (Google it). For me, once you become aware of that, any other noise around the subject becomes secondary/irrelevant." I had no chance then. Bad results, smacked bottom. Smacked bottom, bad results | |||
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"I was never smacked as a child and thank God for that , I know my dad got absolutely battered by his dad on a regular and he swore he'd never lay a finger on me , I could t imagine hitting my son now either , this whole it never did me any harm mentality is complete horseshit , terrifying a child to behave with violence isn't discipline it's abuse pure and simple ." Yes agree! People that say it never did me any harm I look at them and think really? My ex used to say it I used to just roll my eyes and say yeah right! x | |||
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"I was never smacked as a child and thank God for that , I know my dad got absolutely battered by his dad on a regular and he swore he'd never lay a finger on me , I could t imagine hitting my son now either , this whole it never did me any harm mentality is complete horseshit , terrifying a child to behave with violence isn't discipline it's abuse pure and simple ." everybody is entitled to an opinion it doesn't make you instantly right though. Going by the way kids behave nowadays compared to how I behaved growing up I would say something in the way kids are disciplined has gone very wrong. your idea of getting a slap compared to mine as being abuse must also be very different the modern way of thinking automatically assumes that a slap means getting the shit kicked out of them. it really doesn't mean that at all. It's just modern society latches on to high-profile cases and then the ban culture kicks in. I think within reason discipline and bringing up kids should not have anything to do with the government or anyone else unless abuse has happened giving a kid a slap for being very naughty when all other methods of discipline have not had any effect is NOT abuse its called a short sharp shock if you start slapping them all the time it won't work. I know A lot of parents that could do with a short sharp shock but that's A whole other subject | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents." It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though "That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about. Pure comedy. | |||
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"Studies have shown that children who are smacked tend to perform worse in school & score lower in IQ tests. These are well established findings which were published years ago from multiple sources (Google it). For me, once you become aware of that, any other noise around the subject becomes secondary/irrelevant." In Safegaurding we call it adverse childhood experiences (ACES) which as you rightly say it can impact on their learning and development. It can also impact on their relationships, they may find that it affects future relationships (attachment) and could start the cycle of abuse with their own children. It can also impact on health, studies have shown that the more ACES a person has the more predispositioned they are not only to poor mental health but to poor physical health too. Everyone has ACES, there is no denying it. But the more a child has have the more at risk they are of these future issues. Physical abuse by proxy can be just as harming to a child's health and wellbeing as well and contributes to their ACES... | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. "So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done "They are allowed - they're written above for all to see. You're allowed to give your opinion. I'm allowed to express my opinion that your opinion is shite. A discussion forum | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done
They are allowed - they're written above for all to see.
You're allowed to give your opinion. I'm allowed to express my opinion that your opinion is shite.
A discussion forum "you need to learn to read "everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours" and you just proved what I said like you said yourself Pure comedy | |||
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"you need to learn to read "everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours" and you just proved what I said like you said yourself Pure comedy "Glad to hear you've changed your opinion
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"you need to learn to read "everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours" and you just proved what I said like you said yourself Pure comedy
Glad to hear you've changed your opinion
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done "You’re allowed your opinion and they’re allowed to disagree with your opinion. That’s how it works. | |||
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"I was never smacked as a child and thank God for that , I know my dad got absolutely battered by his dad on a regular and he swore he'd never lay a finger on me , I could t imagine hitting my son now either , this whole it never did me any harm mentality is complete horseshit , terrifying a child to behave with violence isn't discipline it's abuse pure and simple ." Spot on | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done
You’re allowed your opinion and they’re allowed to disagree with your opinion. That’s how it works.
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"There are ways to disagree berating people with a different opinion just because they are male or don't have children is not the way to do it but then maybe its just the way some people are brought up "It isn't 'just because you're male'. It's because your opinion is shite. It just happens to be shared by a series of people who mostly seem to be male too, many of which I suspect haven't had much role in the the upbringing of kids. In your particular case none. Of course you're allowed your opinion. You gave it. It's no different to me being permitted to have an opinion on the best methods for taking a shit on the moon. I can give it. But it has little value. | |||
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Adults do abuse each other it is called abuse and not allowed"It was a joke. *Woody turns on his paper shredder, and start to take pages out of his joke book, and with the screeching sound of defeat, the paper is torn, and more risky, jokes, never to be seen again and he’s left with only family friendly dad jokes.  | |||
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Never needed to smack my kids they were angels , but the kitten had a few beatings, although she did agree to it when we met on here.
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"I think those trying to distinguish between levels of force used in hitting children are somewhat missing the point. Even if the smack is just a light tap, it's the psychological effect of being hit by someone much bigger than you, who controls your resources, access to food, and doesn't attempt to justify their actions outside of 'misbehaviour' that causes the damage. The only time I think it's justifiable to hit anyone is if they hit you/threaten to hit you first." Good answer | |||
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"There are ways to disagree berating people with a different opinion just because they are male or don't have children is not the way to do it but then maybe its just the way some people are brought up
It isn't 'just because you're male'. It's because your opinion is shite. It just happens to be shared by a series of people who mostly seem to be male too, many of which I suspect haven't had much role in the the upbringing of kids. In your particular case none.
Of course you're allowed your opinion. You gave it. It's no different to me being permitted to have an opinion on the best methods for taking a shit on the moon. I can give it. But it has little value."Tell you what I'll stop commenting on this subject as you are clearly too dim to see the irony that just because my opinion is different to yours that you feel the need to call it shite. Just because I don't have children does not mean my opinion doesn't matter the thread asked what people's opinions were and speaking from my memory as a child I gave my opinion what you think of that opinion has no relevance. It's just a shame you lack the intelligence to see that and felt the need to post about males or people with no kid's opinions are shite. You could have just said you didn't agree or said nothing | |||
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"There are ways to disagree berating people with a different opinion just because they are male or don't have children is not the way to do it but then maybe its just the way some people are brought up
It isn't 'just because you're male'. It's because your opinion is shite. It just happens to be shared by a series of people who mostly seem to be male too, many of which I suspect haven't had much role in the the upbringing of kids. In your particular case none.
Of course you're allowed your opinion. You gave it. It's no different to me being permitted to have an opinion on the best methods for taking a shit on the moon. I can give it. But it has little value. Tell you what I'll stop commenting on this subject as you are clearly too dim to see the irony that just because my opinion is different to yours that you feel the need to call it shite. Just because I don't have children does not mean my opinion doesn't matter the thread asked what people's opinions were and speaking from my memory as a child I gave my opinion what you think of that opinion has no relevance. It's just a shame you lack the intelligence to see that and felt the need to post about males or people with no kid's opinions are shite. You could have just said you didn't agree or said nothing"Said nothing. As in don't give my opinion?
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"There are ways to disagree berating people with a different opinion just because they are male or don't have children is not the way to do it but then maybe its just the way some people are brought up
It isn't 'just because you're male'. It's because your opinion is shite. It just happens to be shared by a series of people who mostly seem to be male too, many of which I suspect haven't had much role in the the upbringing of kids. In your particular case none.
Of course you're allowed your opinion. You gave it. It's no different to me being permitted to have an opinion on the best methods for taking a shit on the moon. I can give it. But it has little value. Tell you what I'll stop commenting on this subject as you are clearly too dim to see the irony that just because my opinion is different to yours that you feel the need to call it shite. Just because I don't have children does not mean my opinion doesn't matter the thread asked what people's opinions were and speaking from my memory as a child I gave my opinion what you think of that opinion has no relevance. It's just a shame you lack the intelligence to see that and felt the need to post about males or people with no kid's opinions are shite. You could have just said you didn't agree or said nothing"To be fair there is a weird belief around that someone’s unqualified opinion carries as much weight as a person’s expert knowledge or experience. It’s only natural to not take seriously the opinion on parenting of someone who has never done it. | |||
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"I think those trying to distinguish between levels of force used in hitting children are somewhat missing the point. Even if the smack is just a light tap, it's the psychological effect of being hit by someone much bigger than you, who controls your resources, access to food, and doesn't attempt to justify their actions outside of 'misbehaviour' that causes the damage. The only time I think it's justifiable to hit anyone is if they hit you/threaten to hit you first." Absolutely 100 per cent, I agree as someone who's having to deal with the outcome of this and emotional effects it has on my own children hitting them because "you're bigger than them and you can" I also speak as someone who was smacked hit etc as a child aswell as a product of care wich this hitting albeit by a step parent played a part that cunt was told try hit me again I guarantee you I will hit you back and you best believe you'll feel it. Also its a complete and utter b.s cop out to say it did me no harm or my bro/sis. Some people genuinely shouldn't be allowed to be parents over chastisement you have no idea the effects it actually has on your kids and the emotional damage it does. Some yall need take a long hard look in the mirror and be a better parent to your children listen to them get on their level there's always a way deal with there stroppy behaviour other than your hand | |||
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"Will point out that if you smack a child around the face will cause it trauma with ptsd. It will damage their developing brain. Do you need to..no. Teaching right from wrong.Do it another way. Yes smacking should be banned here" "Trauma with PTSD"? Me and hubby were bought up in the age of corporal punishment at school. He told he has been hit the head, face, hands legs and arse with yardstick, canes, plimpsoles and hands and even a chair leg and had blackboard cleaners thrown at his head on a regular basis, yes he was a a very naughty kid at school. He hasnt suffered from trauma or PTSD because of it. | |||
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"Will point out that if you smack a child around the face will cause it trauma with ptsd. It will damage their developing brain. Do you need to..no. Teaching right from wrong.Do it another way. Yes smacking should be banned here "Trauma with PTSD"? Me and hubby were bought up in the age of corporal punishment at school. He told he has been hit the head, face, hands legs and arse with yardstick, canes, plimpsoles and hands and even a chair leg and had blackboard cleaners thrown at his head on a regular basis, yes he was a a very naughty kid at school. He hasnt suffered from trauma or PTSD because of it. " Yes,many children with complex trauma ptsd I belong to the UK TRAUMA SOCIETY and train there. | |||
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"Smacking hand or back of legs / bum a little as a short sharp shock isn't going to traumatise. Using a tool and making it habitual aa they age is obv very different." Bullshit | |||
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"If it is the case (and I don't think it is) that kids today are so much worse than ever before... just like to point out they've been brought up by the 'didn't do me any harm' generation. Perhaps the focus should be on why they're such shit parents. It’s always everyone else’s kids who are much worse though
That and the blokes who've had fuck all involvement with bringing up their kids (or have no kids at all) but still feel a few slaps will sort out the kids they've no clue about.
Pure comedy. So what you are in fact saying is everyone can have an opinion as long as that opinion is the same as yours. what is pure comedy is the fact this is a discussion forum but differences of opinion are not allowed and we wonder why society is in the state it is. That's pure comedy well done
You’re allowed your opinion and they’re allowed to disagree with your opinion. That’s how it works.
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"I don't have children, but I can't imagine hitting them if I did. I don't even hit my dog (why would you?!) Interested to hear from parents how it feels to smack a child? Do you regret it afterwards or feel it was the right thing to do? " I smacked my son once. I hated myself and never, ever did it again. I was smacked (hit, really) as a child so I think I was modelling what I'd been "taught". It wasn't a good lesson. I've never smacked or otherwise physically chastised my children since then. Nor will I ever. | |||
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"I don't have children, but I can't imagine hitting them if I did. I don't even hit my dog (why would you?!) Interested to hear from parents how it feels to smack a child? Do you regret it afterwards or feel it was the right thing to do? I smacked my son once. I hated myself and never, ever did it again. I was smacked (hit, really) as a child so I think I was modelling what I'd been "taught". It wasn't a good lesson. I've never smacked or otherwise physically chastised my children since then. Nor will I ever." Thanks, KC. I should have said, I wasn't trying to be judgy. I obviously have no idea what it's like, and I can understand parents' frustration if a child is being very naughty (uncles' privilege means my nieces don't misbehave around me, saving that for their parents!). But it seems whenever I see it happen, the parent immediately regrets it, which suggests they know it's not ideal... | |||
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"Will point out that if you smack a child around the face will cause it trauma with ptsd. It will damage their developing brain. Do you need to..no. Teaching right from wrong.Do it another way. Yes smacking should be banned here "Trauma with PTSD"? Me and hubby were bought up in the age of corporal punishment at school. He told he has been hit the head, face, hands legs and arse with yardstick, canes, plimpsoles and hands and even a chair leg and had blackboard cleaners thrown at his head on a regular basis, yes he was a a very naughty kid at school. He hasnt suffered from trauma or PTSD because of it. Yes,many children with complex trauma ptsd I belong to the UK TRAUMA SOCIETY and train there." If its a regular occurrence. She makes it sound like a one-off will do it. | |||
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"There's a line between smacking and a beating. That's where a lot of people get caught." I'm in one of the 'didn't do me any harm' generations... except the blood and the bruises suggested maybe it did do me harm. It's hard for an angry parent to moderate that 'line'. It's all well and good people making out a little slap is a calm controlled method of discipline but for many it's nothing like reality. Parent's lash out in anger and then justify their actions as discipline. There's no place for it today. If you can't discipline your child through other methods including talking things through with them, you're not fit to be a parent. | |||
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"There's a line between smacking and a beating. That's where a lot of people get caught. I'm in one of the 'didn't do me any harm' generations... except the blood and the bruises suggested maybe it did do me harm. It's hard for an angry parent to moderate that 'line'. It's all well and good people making out a little slap is a calm controlled method of discipline but for many it's nothing like reality. Parent's lash out in anger and then justify their actions as discipline. There's no place for it today. If you can't discipline your child through other methods including talking things through with them, you're not fit to be a parent. " I think you need to read my comment again, I never said I slap my kids and don't ever tell me I'm not fit to be a parent. I'm a brilliant father. Funny how you only took part of my comment. What an absolute dick. | |||
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"I don’t think children should be hit. And I say that as someone that was hit as a child and grew up and went to school amongst lots of kids where we would laugh about stories of getting ‘beats’. Just because it was whatever to us doesn’t make it acceptable. " Agreed | |||
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"Some so called experts inform that the smacking is cyclical in that those who smack grow up to be violent. Is it too early to see that violence in Scotland and Northern Ireland has all but ended ?" Speaking of cyclical, is anyone mildly entertained by this monotonous drivel? | |||
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"There's a line between smacking and a beating. That's where a lot of people get caught. I'm in one of the 'didn't do me any harm' generations... except the blood and the bruises suggested maybe it did do me harm. It's hard for an angry parent to moderate that 'line'. It's all well and good people making out a little slap is a calm controlled method of discipline but for many it's nothing like reality. Parent's lash out in anger and then justify their actions as discipline. There's no place for it today. If you can't discipline your child through other methods including talking things through with them, you're not fit to be a parent. I think you need to read my comment again, I never said I slap my kids and don't ever tell me I'm not fit to be a parent. I'm a brilliant father. Funny how you only took part of my comment. What an absolute dick." I replied to a point you made. It's what people do on a forum. Apart from those unable to handle debate and who need to resort to calling those who disagree with them 'absolute dicks'. I never said if you're fit to be a parent. I don't know you and hope that I never will. If you can't handle adult debate, stay off the adult sites. | |||
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"Studies have shown that children who are smacked tend to perform worse in school & score lower in IQ tests. These are well established findings which were published years ago from multiple sources (Google it). For me, once you become aware of that, any other noise around the subject becomes secondary/irrelevant. In Safegaurding we call it adverse childhood experiences (ACES) which as you rightly say it can impact on their learning and development. It can also impact on their relationships, they may find that it affects future relationships (attachment) and could start the cycle of abuse with their own children. It can also impact on health, studies have shown that the more ACES a person has the more predispositioned they are not only to poor mental health but to poor physical health too. Everyone has ACES, there is no denying it. But the more a child has have the more at risk they are of these future issues. Physical abuse by proxy can be just as harming to a child's health and wellbeing as well and contributes to their ACES... " lol theirs always an abbreviation for the new ways that don't work, my dad gave me a hiding when i was in the wrong and it didn't do me any harm either and i agree with the guy earlier todays discipline isn't working kids would even attack you today if you say something they don't like because they know we aren't allowed to touch them, i had a young lad actually attack me and i had to think twice about retaliating. Something has seriously gone wrong with todays parenting and discipline and the only thing you can do is bang on about it being abuse lol | |||
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