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Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
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Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
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In short, no.
If someone's profile is difficult to comprehend or presents an abundance of hoops to jump through, I just hit back and go find someone more suitable.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest  |
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I can and do type clearly, most of the time.
Different people have different writing styles.
Not everyone has English as a first language.
Some folks struggle with writing and words.
It's not for me to judge other people, I don't know anything about them.
So judging their English isn't a kind thing to do. |
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
Too many run on sentences |
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By (user no longer on site) 35 weeks ago
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Profiles yes … I may be naive but I like to think people think about what they put and therefore choose their/there/they’re words carefully.
Messages - doesn’t bother me or my man at all. I’m a terrible at messaging, I have to be honest. |
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It's not for me to judge other people, I don't know anything about them.
So judging their English isn't a kind thing to do. "
We all make judgements about people every day.
But think about it this way…
This profile says they’re not 6ft or over and so that’s irritating. My preference is people over 6ft. Why are they so attractive yet don’t meet my criteria.
It’s just I’m asking if someone has spelling and grammar as criteria - is that anybody else’s deciding factor or preference to proceed with making an effort.
Controversial, maybe, judgemental I don’t believe so. |
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"Profiles yes … I may be naive but I like to think people think about what they put and therefore choose their/there/they’re words carefully.
Messages - doesn’t bother me or my man at all. I’m a terrible at messaging, I have to be honest. "
Exactly! This is my point.
Especially when the profile (once I’ve deciphered it) basically says - if you’re going to message, it some effort in and seduce me with your words and whit.
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It's not for me to judge other people, I don't know anything about them.
So judging their English isn't a kind thing to do.
We all make judgements about people every day.
But think about it this way…
This profile says they’re not 6ft or over and so that’s irritating. My preference is people over 6ft. Why are they so attractive yet don’t meet my criteria.
It’s just I’m asking if someone has spelling and grammar as criteria - is that anybody else’s deciding factor or preference to proceed with making an effort.
Controversial, maybe, judgemental I don’t believe so."
I don't need you to mansplain my decision back to me thanks.
You're welcome to judge any way you like. As am I.
Have a pleasant evening. |
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Poorly spelled, punctuated etc is ok. Dyslexia, shitty typing skills etc. I make more typos than anyone.
But the onslaught of random words in a massive message hurt my brain. I *can* decipher. But probably lose interest. |
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I'm not a fan of poor spelling/ grammar. Partly why it's such a big part of my job 
These complaints don't generally go down well here, though. (And you do leave yourself open to correction - whether you're incorrect or not. The incorrect corrections give me a good chuckle.)
As said above, errors mean that some deciphering has to be done. I recognise that shit happens, autocarrot* strikes and we must all pay our dues to the mighty god Tpyo*. But the more I have to decipher, the more effort it takes, and the less I'm likely to bother. You want me to bother with all of it, I'd better be pretty fond of you, or you'd better pay my invoice within 30 days**.
* those are deliberate 'errors'
** I am not soliciting work on Fab, don't come for me! |
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One of my brothers is very dyslexic so I tend to be tolerant of unusual spelling. I can usually understand most written English .
I do wonder at the current trend for using 'are' in place of 'our' though |
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By *mmaleiaWoman 35 weeks ago
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As somebody who is dyslexic, there’s no excuse for poor spelling with predictive text on the phone, if I’m not sure of a spelling, I use Google, I can be word blind & get my who & how, then & thans etc mixed up, Punctuation is harder to gauge. |
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Lots of people on here judge others on their looks or photos they choose to post so I think it's perfectly acceptable to form an opinion on someone based on their SPaG.
I'm not one to pull someone up on it or be unkind, however it is definitely a big factor in whether or not I chat to them.
Some don't like receiving dick pics...I don't like receiving misplaced commas!  |
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
People in glass houses..... |
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Damn you Hovis, beat me to it!!
OP - I totally understand your point here. Luckily I’m perfect and, therefore, in an excellent position to judge. But I don’t.
If it comes to forum posters who I know make my head hurt, I skip past their efforts. Obviously reading messages isn’t a problem for me because I have a winkie and I don’t look at profiles.
Whilst I wish everyone was up to my standard, I get that there are those who have dyslexia or grew up with terrible influences. And we can’t rule out autocorrect, fat fingers and typing in a rush.
I know you’re only provoking thought but I say live and let live. |
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By (user no longer on site) 35 weeks ago
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"I can and do type clearly, most of the time.
Different people have different writing styles.
Not everyone has English as a first language.
Some folks struggle with writing and words.
It's not for me to judge other people, I don't know anything about them.
So judging their English isn't a kind thing to do. "
Absolutely right. |
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By *TG3Man 35 weeks ago
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
you made a mistake in your write up, some are typos, some are meant and some are dyslexic, suck it oop buttercoop |
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I'm with the OP on this.
It's such a shame that the art of letter writing has died. It should of been kept on being taught at school.
It only takes seconds to proof read for punctuation and spelling before hitting 'send'. |
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"I'm with the OP on this.
It's such a shame that the art of letter writing has died. It should of been kept on being taught at school.
It only takes seconds to proof read for punctuation and spelling before hitting 'send'."
It is taught at school... frequently. It's a very common GCSE exam task. |
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"I'm with the OP on this.
It's such a shame that the art of letter writing has died. It should of been kept on being taught at school.
It only takes seconds to proof read for punctuation and spelling before hitting 'send'."
Should have been kept on being taught at school |
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No, because as a highly educated person myself I understand that there is more to life than correct spelling.  I had a proof reader for my postgraduate thesis’ because even those of us who write veritable tomes make mistakes or even just plain struggle with spelling and grammar. My best friend is a consultant doctor and she can’t spell either.
Being snobbish about spelling and grammar is something that frequently indicates a level of classism. It’s a good filter for me because I’d rather associate with someone who can’t spell very well than someone who looks down on people because of either a disability or because they come from a background with low educational attainment (something usually associated with higher levels of poverty in an area).
For what it’s worth, my Scandinavian friends who I’ve been videogaming with for almost two decades have no problem understanding my rubbish spelling and grammar.
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By (user no longer on site) 35 weeks ago
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To be fair no, some grammatical and spelling errors do not bother me, I make allowance for the fact they could have health or neurological conditions such as dyslexia etc.
What bothers me more is chav like text talk and I do not mean that inna snobby way as I am working class.
Ultimately though, the content is most important but if it is generic I guess better than nothing at all  |
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It doesn’t bother me. I voice type 100% of the time now across all comms platforms. When it’s important I will check it properly.
I learnt recently on a course that attention to detail and grammar, to the point others comms causes anxiety, is a derailing personality characteristic. |
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"I'm with the OP on this.
It's such a shame that the art of letter writing has died. It should of been kept on being taught at school.
It only takes seconds to proof read for punctuation and spelling before hitting 'send'."
I write letters regularly. I still make spelling and grammar mistakes in them. |
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I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
On kik or whatsapp though i type fast with fat thumbs and send. You need to be Bletchley House level to understand some messages but here, I do try |
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"I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
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That would be a really quick way to my block list too! |
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"It doesn't particularly bother me, in written form anyway. What does irritate me is someone using the word 'like' every third word. Especially on say a train or plane where I'm a captive audience  "
Headphones exist |
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"It doesn't particularly bother me, in written form anyway. What does irritate me is someone using the word 'like' every third word. Especially on say a train or plane where I'm a captive audience
Headphones exist "
And frequently forgotten  |
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"I'm with the OP on this.
It's such a shame that the art of letter writing has died. It should of been kept on being taught at school.
It only takes seconds to proof read for punctuation and spelling before hitting 'send'."
Language and communication structures evolve. No one writes like Shakespeare any more and written composition is more tailored for less formal emails or electronic communication channels these days.
Move with times
Evie |
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By *irldnCouple 35 weeks ago
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Grammar and poorly structured sentences I can ignore. Text and slang speak is just difficult to read and can be cringey. But real basics are irritating as a modicum of intelligence is actually attractive. Such as:
There Their They’re
To Too
Your You’re
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"It doesn't particularly bother me, in written form anyway. What does irritate me is someone using the word 'like' every third word. Especially on say a train or plane where I'm a captive audience
Headphones exist
And frequently forgotten "
That's on you then I have loads of headphones cos I forget them so buy more  |
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"I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
On kik or whatsapp though i type fast with fat thumbs and send. You need to be Bletchley House level to understand some messages but here, I do try
That's pretty pretentious to correct a mistake unsolicited to be honest. Especially a mistake in a status not aimed at or including you in any way what so ever.
Evie"
I had to edit cos it said mustache instead of mistake |
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By *irldnCouple 35 weeks ago
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"I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
On kik or whatsapp though i type fast with fat thumbs and send. You need to be Bletchley House level to understand some messages but here, I do try
That's pretty pretentious to correct a mistake unsolicited to be honest. Especially a mustache in a status not aimed at or including you in any way what so ever.
Evie"
He corrected a moustache |
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By *irldnCouple 35 weeks ago
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"I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
On kik or whatsapp though i type fast with fat thumbs and send. You need to be Bletchley House level to understand some messages but here, I do try
That's pretty pretentious to correct a mistake unsolicited to be honest. Especially a mistake in a status not aimed at or including you in any way what so ever.
Evie
I had to edit cos it said mustache instead of mistake "
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By *AYENCouple 35 weeks ago
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Good communication is very important, so yes, a poorly written profile indicates poor communication skills, at least to us.
If someone contacts us then we assume that someone wants to get intimate, so too right we'll judge on every level, we're not desperate for other sexual partners to join us, so we'd be crazy not to.
If someone's dyslexic that's a different story, and is usually easily spotted or explained. K. |
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"I went to a club with someone I met off of here and we had a great night. The lady posted a status, not related to our night and I messaged her to say a word in her status was incorrectly spelt. The wrath and fury recieved in return was incredible and boom, I was blocked.
All because I thought I would point out her mistake as, in my opinion, I would expect any of my friends on here to point out to me.
On kik or whatsapp though i type fast with fat thumbs and send. You need to be Bletchley House level to understand some messages but here, I do try
That's pretty pretentious to correct a mistake unsolicited to be honest. Especially a mistake in a status not aimed at or including you in any way what so ever.
Evie
I had to edit cos it said mustache instead of mistake "
I saw that typo and I loved it. |
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"It doesn't particularly bother me, in written form anyway. What does irritate me is someone using the word 'like' every third word. Especially on say a train or plane where I'm a captive audience
Headphones exist
And frequently forgotten
That's on you then I have loads of headphones cos I forget them so buy more "
Yeah, I'm like a fly to sh1t, what can I say  |
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"It doesn't particularly bother me, in written form anyway. What does irritate me is someone using the word 'like' every third word. Especially on say a train or plane where I'm a captive audience
Headphones exist
And frequently forgotten
That's on you then I have loads of headphones cos I forget them so buy more
Yeah, I'm like a fly to sh1t, what can I say "
I find it torture on a long bus or train journey etc when someone is on their phone yapping away and I cannot move seats as it is busy. Headphones do not always block them out unless you blast it full volume |
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As a non native English speaking person, it used to bother me how many people, despite stating the opposite far and wide, are being judgmental about my grammar, the lack of general knowledge of British culture and so on. The absolute pet hate of mine being unsolicited advice on how to spell or pronounce or use grammar properly, or making a “supposed” funny joke about my accent. For a long time it put me off meeting, posting on forum and staying rather quiet during big socials, even if I’m perfectly capable of communicating in both spoken and written English. But now I just can’t be bothered. It’s actually the easiest way to establish we won’t be compatible anyway.
Having said that, the majority of people I have met, have been very supportive, understanding and made me feel comfortable. |
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Depends on why the grammar/ spelling is bad, I genuinely think you can tell if a person is dyslexic or if they're just being lazy... I mean .. wuu2... ? Really ? You can't be arsed to type out what are you up to? That'll bug me more than any spelling mistake... and let's face it the English language isn't easy to learn. |
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By *eliWoman 35 weeks ago
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I don't think the majority of profiles are riddled with mistakes.
I also don't mind them. The only time I'm more aware of them is if I'm reading something that's... smuttier and lose my arousal trying to work out what they mean.
Generally I'm fairly relaxed. |
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ooh there's writing too!!!  i usually delete after the pictures
i do love your threads!! You can copy and paste your profile information, so its worth getting it checked. But there are a lot of reasons why people have difficulty with the written word. Its a forum of writing, either here or in the chat rooms or just messages. You might actually get on and like someone who's grammar and spelling are terrible. If you don't like how or what someone has written, just skip to the next one - I would rather see someone had put something than the 'come back to this later' who has been on for a year and cant be bothered. |
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Personally, I am a stickler for grammar, spelling and punctuation - partly, as a product of the prevailing education system of my youth which viewed deficiencies in these areas as a sign of lower intelligence and partly because they are necessary for clear communication.
Fundamentally, I prize clarity and elegance of expression in the written word but, even then, my stylistic preferences won't be the same as someone else's. Unpopular a view as this seems to be - and I accept it may be symptomatic of the prejudices instilled by formal education - I find incorrect grammar and spelling jarring, and it detracts from my enjoyment of reading.
In then end, though, we all have aesthetic preferences that are shaped by a variety of influences that are hard to deconstruct. For me at least, a certain level of accuracy in writing is as much an aesthetic preference as a functional imperative. |
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I think difficulties arise more from people who have problems expressing themselves clearly. Sometimes I'll not understand a message due to the way it's expressed rather than spelling or grammar. I'll ask a question to clarify but the answer doesn't help, I'll ask another question but still no further forward. I end up thinking it must be me . |
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By (user no longer on site) 35 weeks ago
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There could be spelling and grammatical errors for a multitude of reason , maybe dyslexia or perhaps english isn't there first language , or perhaps a finger slip whilst typing..
Take dyslexia for instance , constantly calling out spelling and grammar with someone who suffers from dyslexia can be a little damaging..
I find spelling and grammar police anally retentive and certainly wouldn't be my go too for a meet if that's how easy it is to wind them up . |
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"Personally, I am a stickler for grammar, spelling and punctuation - partly, as a product of the prevailing education system of my youth which viewed deficiencies in these areas as a sign of lower intelligence and partly because they are necessary for clear communication.
Fundamentally, I prize clarity and elegance of expression in the written word but, even then, my stylistic preferences won't be the same as someone else's. Unpopular a view as this seems to be - and I accept it may be symptomatic of the prejudices instilled by formal education - I find incorrect grammar and spelling jarring, and it detracts from my enjoyment of reading.
In then end, though, we all have aesthetic preferences that are shaped by a variety of influences that are hard to deconstruct. For me at least, a certain level of accuracy in writing is as much an aesthetic preference as a functional imperative."
Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out. |
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The sole purpose of grammar is to aid communication and understanding. Without grammar and, for that matter, spelling (if you differentiate between the two) one cannot explain anything without the risk of misunderstanding.
There have been many instances when I decline to meet because of poor grammar. If one is that sloppy with words then what else is the person sloppy with.
For me, attraction starts between the ears and works its way down. If I see poor grammar then I simply switch off, I am not interested.
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out. "
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
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"The sole purpose of grammar is to aid communication and understanding. Without grammar and, for that matter, spelling (if you differentiate between the two) one cannot explain anything without the risk of misunderstanding.
There have been many instances when I decline to meet because of poor grammar. If one is that sloppy with words then what else is the person sloppy with.
For me, attraction starts between the ears and works its way down. If I see poor grammar then I simply switch off, I am not interested.
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To be fair I would much rather meet someone with sloppy grammar than a sloppy hole. But that is just me. |
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
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The S*n newspaper isn't worth using for bogroll. It has behaved appalling across many years, to the considerable detriment of a lot of people. |
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Spelling, punctuation, and grammar?
Doesn't bother me as long as it doesn't affect clear communication.
Articulate messages don't half contribute towards turning me on though.
I'm not a grammar nazi; just so long as you're not a nazi.
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"Imagine thinking not remembering I before e or using the Oxford comma means you don't wash your fanny "
We all make our way through life in our own way. I have my own standards, you have yours (probably). |
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"Personally, I am a stickler for grammar, spelling and punctuation - partly, as a product of the prevailing education system of my youth which viewed deficiencies in these areas as a sign of lower intelligence and partly because they are necessary for clear communication.
Fundamentally, I prize clarity and elegance of expression in the written word but, even then, my stylistic preferences won't be the same as someone else's. Unpopular a view as this seems to be - and I accept it may be symptomatic of the prejudices instilled by formal education - I find incorrect grammar and spelling jarring, and it detracts from my enjoyment of reading.
In then end, though, we all have aesthetic preferences that are shaped by a variety of influences that are hard to deconstruct. For me at least, a certain level of accuracy in writing is as much an aesthetic preference as a functional imperative.
Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out. "
Thank you for your feedback. Rebuttal, if I may:
Firstly, Fab doesn't allow posters to typographically distinguish between the dash (which is the intended usage here as the less formal cousin of the semi-colon) and the hyphen.
Secondly, we all have our own stylistic preferences. Some prefer short, staccato sentences while others prefer to luxuriate in lengthy, elaborate ones.
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
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Seeing as the average adult reading age is only a little higher than that, then this is understandable.
Although you could argue that its aiming at a reading age about five years lower than it should. -Demographics and sales man, if nothing else.
It's almost as though they're deliberately trying to infantilise the readership..
I think, therefore i am, etc.
Complex issues coherently argued? I beg to differ.
And what the f*ck is it with their part spelling? Therein lies one aspect of their teisted sense of 'morality'.
Pathetic.
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"The S*n newspaper isn't worth using for bogroll. It has behaved appalling across many years, to the considerable detriment of a lot of people. "
As I stated "You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.". |
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A few mistakes happen. None of us are perfect and I'm sure we've all mistyped or chosen the wrong word.
But the standard of English on this site is further anecdotal evidence of the fact that the average literacy level in the UK is that of a 10 year old. |
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"Personally, I am a stickler for grammar, spelling and punctuation - partly, as a product of the prevailing education system of my youth which viewed deficiencies in these areas as a sign of lower intelligence and partly because they are necessary for clear communication.
Fundamentally, I prize clarity and elegance of expression in the written word but, even then, my stylistic preferences won't be the same as someone else's. Unpopular a view as this seems to be - and I accept it may be symptomatic of the prejudices instilled by formal education - I find incorrect grammar and spelling jarring, and it detracts from my enjoyment of reading.
In then end, though, we all have aesthetic preferences that are shaped by a variety of influences that are hard to deconstruct. For me at least, a certain level of accuracy in writing is as much an aesthetic preference as a functional imperative.
Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
Thank you for your feedback. Rebuttal, if I may:
Firstly, Fab doesn't allow posters to typographically distinguish between the dash (which is the intended usage here as the less formal cousin of the semi-colon) and the hyphen.
Secondly, we all have our own stylistic preferences. Some prefer short, staccato sentences while others prefer to luxuriate in lengthy, elaborate ones.
Vive la différence!"
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"The S*n newspaper isn't worth using for bogroll. It has behaved appalling across many years, to the considerable detriment of a lot of people. "
I agree but that is not the only rag guilty, most of them are |
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
Seeing as the average adult reading age is only a little higher than that, then this is understandable.
Although you could argue that its aiming at a reading age about five years lower than it should. -Demographics and sales man, if nothing else.
It's almost as though they're deliberately trying to infantilise the readership..
I think, therefore i am, etc.
Complex issues coherently argued? I beg to differ.
And what the f*ck is it with their part spelling? Therein lies one aspect of their teisted sense of 'morality'.
Pathetic.
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The National reading age is 8. That’s the age that museum tags and similar are aimed at when they are government funded. |
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"The S*n newspaper isn't worth using for bogroll. It has behaved appalling across many years, to the considerable detriment of a lot of people.
I agree but that is not the only rag guilty, most of them are "
Indeed, but it was the one mentioned in the thread. |
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
Seeing as the average adult reading age is only a little higher than that, then this is understandable.
Although you could argue that its aiming at a reading age about five years lower than it should. -Demographics and sales man, if nothing else.
It's almost as though they're deliberately trying to infantilise the readership..
I think, therefore i am, etc.
Complex issues coherently argued? I beg to differ.
And what the f*ck is it with their part spelling? Therein lies one aspect of their teisted sense of 'morality'.
Pathetic.
The National reading age is 8. That’s the age that museum tags and similar are aimed at when they are government funded."
I find it quite sad that we consider the national reading age to be 8yrs. Does this include children in the average? It's less concerning, if so. |
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
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"Dear Sir, I am sorry to be pedantic but after the hyphen in your first paragraph, the sentences flowing immediately were far too long. Perhaps an additional full stop may have been far less taxing on those of us not long up this find morning from alcohol induced slumber. Thank you for hearing me out.
The Sun newspaper has won many awards for its printed communication. It aims for a reading age of seven years old (this is not an insult). It tries never to use words with more than three syllables and limits sentence length to fifteen words where possible.
As a result, it manages to communicate complex subjects to a wider audience than other publications. You may not agree with its content but at least you are in no doubt as to what it means.
I have used the Sun guidelines throughout my working career which is possibly why some people at the top of the political tree liked me.
Seeing as the average adult reading age is only a little higher than that, then this is understandable.
Although you could argue that its aiming at a reading age about five years lower than it should. -Demographics and sales man, if nothing else.
It's almost as though they're deliberately trying to infantilise the readership..
I think, therefore i am, etc.
Complex issues coherently argued? I beg to differ.
And what the f*ck is it with their part spelling? Therein lies one aspect of their teisted sense of 'morality'.
Pathetic.
The National reading age is 8. That’s the age that museum tags and similar are aimed at when they are government funded.
I find it quite sad that we consider the national reading age to be 8yrs. Does this include children in the average? It's less concerning, if so. "
In the UK over 7 million adults read at an age equivalent to lower than a nine year old. There about fifty million adults in the UK.
Probably just under 14% of the adult population can’t read at the national standard reading age of nine years old.
I’d say that this is very accurate having worked in a very economically deprived area, and I’m actually suprised the stats are so low. |
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In formum posts it doesn't bother me, I often make mistakes.
However, I confess that I am unlikely to engage with the owner a really badly written profile.
My pet hate is walls of text, with no punctuation or capital letters. I find them difficult to read. I also dislike text speak.
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I do have some difficulty with the things written on this site. I taught secondary school science for a while, and have to resist correcting the illiterate mfs on here |
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"I do have some difficulty with the things written on this site. I taught secondary school science for a while, and have to resist correcting the illiterate mfs on here "
Glad you’re not teaching children anymore if you think that making spelling and grammatical mistakes makes someone “illiterate.”
(Btw you made some mistakes in your post.) |
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By *ularliWoman 35 weeks ago
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I don’t mind spelling mistakes but what I do not like is text talk.
Although I most likely know the abbreviation; I would rather read the actual word/words in full but I do admit to using LOL a lot.
My grammar and punctuation isn’t the best so I wouldn’t knock someone for it either. |
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"I don’t mind spelling mistakes but what I do not like is text talk.
Although I most likely know the abbreviation; I would rather read the actual word/words in full but I do admit to using LOL a lot.
My grammar and punctuation isn’t the best so I wouldn’t knock someone for it either. "
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"I don’t mind spelling mistakes but what I do not like is text talk.
Although I most likely know the abbreviation; I would rather read the actual word/words in full but I do admit to using LOL a lot.
My grammar and punctuation isn’t the best so I wouldn’t knock someone for it either.
I only use lol on here personally as there is no laughing emoji "
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In the UK over 7 million adults read at an age equivalent to lower than a nine year old. There about fifty million adults in the UK.
Probably just under 14% of the adult population can’t read at the national standard reading age of nine years old.
I’d say that this is very accurate having worked in a very economically deprived area, and I’m actually suprised the stats are so low."
If a low reading age correlates with economic exclusion, what is the relationship of cause and effect? Reading age is not fixed throughout life so would increased adult literacy translate into more economically productive citizens? |
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In the UK over 7 million adults read at an age equivalent to lower than a nine year old. There about fifty million adults in the UK.
Probably just under 14% of the adult population can’t read at the national standard reading age of nine years old.
I’d say that this is very accurate having worked in a very economically deprived area, and I’m actually suprised the stats are so low.
If a low reading age correlates with economic exclusion, what is the relationship of cause and effect? Reading age is not fixed throughout life so would increased adult literacy translate into more economically productive citizens?"
At the moment the National average literacy age is increasing and one of the reasons is because old people are dying because they are an age group with a lower than average literacy age.
It’s not true that you gain more literacy as you get older unless you are specifically in education or otherwise engaging in learning.
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Personally, as long as I can understand what someone has said either on their profile or in a message I don’t worry about how it’s been written. Having said that, I think I will check my own profile for mistakes |
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By *DW1983Man 35 weeks ago
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Depends on the context. I make typos sometimes. Everyone does. It happens. It's generally obvious. Likewise if someone is obviously not a native English speaker, for example. It's easy to make allowances.
But... Some people seem to make it as difficult as possible, with no punctuation or grammar. In the same way as we all do our best to understand what's meant, it's the writer's responsibility to try their best to make it clear for the reader.
I had a message on another site once from a woman in America. No idea why she messaged me, but every single word started with a capital letter, and there was no punctuation. It was really hard to read. Why would I take the time and effort when someon's gone out of their way to make it hard for the reader to read? |
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Years ago I'd have judged people on their written grammar but these days phones make it (mostly) impossible to judge.
I'm more interested in what a person says than how they spell it. If you sound like a dick it doesn't matter how good your spilling is  |
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I unashamedly judge people on their profile write up. If they can't string a sentence together, then I'm probably not going to be interested. I'm not sapiosexual, but a modicum of intellect wouldn't go amiss. |
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By *DW1983Man 34 weeks ago
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Just to come back to this after a bit more thought, whilst I don't think anyone would turn down a date on the basis of an occasional typo, it *is* important to realise that it's not always a case of being a pedant. Sometimes poor spelling or grammar can fundamentally affect what you're trying to say or make the reader misunderstand, so it *is* important to try your best to get it right. (A comical example is the joke that good grammar is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse.) |
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"Having said all that, apostrophes matter "
Here is an example of why grammar matters. This time, a full stop. Here is some text posted by a financial institution on Facebook. I would suggest that the text was constructed in such a way as to confuse and mislead.
"Receive 4.33% AER
interest every month."
Unless you know look twice, many people will read this as receiving 4.33% interest every month.
It should read:
"Receive 4.33% AER.
Interest every month."
or, better still:
"Receive 4.33% AER.
Interest payable every month."
And that is the difference that the correct use of grammar makes.
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I laid a few traps in the above shit post… lol"
I agree with you,however we are in then minority as most people cant be assed with spelling things correctly as they have spell checker to help,Its also a proven fact the the IQ of the average person has plummeted to depths not previously seen,so much so they are thinking of changing the name of Mensa to Densa,
Sure some people have difficulty with the written word,although it didn't do Richard Branson any harm at all. This post is partially tongue in cheek and I have left the grammatical errors in it ,Dont bother to answer as I wont respond |
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"Having said all that, apostrophes matter
Here is an example of why grammar matters. This time, a full stop. Here is some text posted by a financial institution on Facebook. I would suggest that the text was constructed in such a way as to confuse and mislead.
"Receive 4.33% AER
interest every month."
Unless you know look twice, many people will read this as receiving 4.33% interest every month.
It should read:
"Receive 4.33% AER.
Interest every month."
or, better still:
"Receive 4.33% AER.
Interest payable every month."
And that is the difference that the correct use of grammar makes.
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I agree with you I have so called learning issues and have fallen for things like that |
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Lol. I am not the Grammar Police . To me, it takes exactly the same amount of time and effort to write something right as it does to write something wrong. I accept typos in messages but, on a profile that one can edit, I am less tolerant. Rightly or wrongly, it does form part of my judgement. |
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"Lol. I am not the Grammar Police . To me, it takes exactly the same amount of time and effort to write something right as it does to write something wrong. I accept typos in messages but, on a profile that one can edit, I am less tolerant. Rightly or wrongly, it does form part of my judgement."
I completely agree. There's nothing better than when someone describes what they'd like to you, they do it in detail, in a way that flows, rather than shouting with four letter words |
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Nobody’s perfect and I always make mistakes for various reasons so who am I to judge?
As a friend of mine once pointed out to me - we don’t know about anyone else’s difficulties eg dyslexia or a poor education. That doesn’t make that person any less worthy. |
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"t of time and effort to write something right as it does to write something wrong. "
For many of us, writing something correctly (I probably wouldn't use the word 'right' there) takes longer than it does to write the same thing incorrectly. |
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
Full stop after etc. |
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By *host63Man 34 weeks ago
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"Ready for the instant onslaught of hate comments (complete with incorrect spelling and no punctuation), and an instant ban from Fab…
But…
Does it bother you when in regards ‘profiles’ specifically - that many (and I do mean many), are so poorly written, hugely generic, and riddled with awful spelling errors (I’ve seen some incredible phonetically written words you’d struggle to comprehend how they’re crafted), and with little, to no punctuation etc
I know in chat, especially on mobile, it’s easy for auto correct and slang tying for speed… but in profiles where they’re alluding to how minutely meticulous their laser targeted needs and requirements are for the hoops you are requested to jump through in order to be graced an acknowledgment of your existence; yet the biggest challenge is deciphering their language.
Makes me wonder how’s a none native English speaker ever going to understand what is presented.
Happy to be a minority of one lol"
It's easy to make typos on digital keyboards specially on mobile phones.
In context if you can understand what's said does it honestly matter? Lifes too short. |
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I am going to be spending a small fortune on a property. It is the start of a renovation project.
I really like the photographs of certain products on a company's web site but, when I see such sloppy text, I take it that the sloppiness extends to the product manufacture and installation. The text is :
"Available on a seperate page is a Larch DIY wooden structure, This is listed seperatly becuase it is has a longer lead time and is sent via a much larger haulier."
Honestly, with at least five spelling and grammatical errors in one (or two) sentence(s), would you buy anything from them? A spell / grammar checker costs nothing so no excuses. |
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"I am going to be spending a small fortune on a property. It is the start of a renovation project.
I really like the photographs of certain products on a company's web site but, when I see such sloppy text, I take it that the sloppiness extends to the product manufacture and installation. The text is :
"Available on a seperate page is a Larch DIY wooden structure, This is listed seperatly becuase it is has a longer lead time and is sent via a much larger haulier."
Honestly, with at least five spelling and grammatical errors in one (or two) sentence(s), would you buy anything from them? A spell / grammar checker costs nothing so no excuses."
I'm friends with a bloke who builds incredible kitchens. People don't pay him for his spelling.
Maybe there are people who choose not to use him because of a typo on his website. They get to enjoy nice spellings and a shit kitchen.
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