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Men. Why Do You Habitually Lie?
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"in the hope of getting sex" Because... | |||
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"People can't demand honesty but if others choose to lie, whatever the reason, its on them. We also can't get mad at others not abiding by our morals/standards. One persons little white lie is another's world of deceit so if you don't trust someone, just walk away." I disagree. I can demand honesty from my playmates as a condition of not walking away. I need honesty for intimacy. Without honesty there is no trust. Without trust there can be no intimacy. | |||
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I often tell people I don’t like football when I know they are city or Liverpool fans because I can be assed listening to them. 
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"I'm a relatively relaxed person when it comes to life. I don't demand sexual partners only sleep with me. I simply demand that my sexual partners be honest and open with me. (a) so I can protect myself from nasty diseases, and (b) because without trust, how can sex be truly intimate? Without trust, sex is reduced to nothing but a fancy wank... and I can do that on my own. So after a week in which I discover two men have blatantly lied to me in the hope of getting sex, and as a result ruined their chances and seriously fucked me off in the process, I have to ask... Men. Why do you habitually lie?" I often ask myself. Over the years some men got jealous when I had meets and said that they didn't want to meet others, I obviously never expected, let alone demanded, to be exclusive. They were lying anyway and naively thought I wouldn't find out? I don't get it. What's the point of lying? I value honesty op like you and it's not very common on here. Men think they have to come up with all sorts of crap to get sex. Xx | |||
"People can't demand honesty but if others choose to lie, whatever the reason, its on them. We also can't get mad at others not abiding by our morals/standards. One persons little white lie is another's world of deceit so if you don't trust someone, just walk away. I disagree. I can demand honesty from my playmates as a condition of not walking away. I need honesty for intimacy. Without honesty there is no trust. Without trust there can be no intimacy." Hmmm not sure why you’d solely direct and proclaim all men are habitual liars? Bit offensive to be fair as it’s definitely not a gender specific issue. Believe me I dated a woman for 13 years who was a habitual liar. Personally I think little liaison hit the nail on the head and maybe your very honest and genuine person but for me, from my experience. People that are overly demanding of something from others, who set very high, near unachievable moral standards on partners don’t reciprocate and follow or abide by their own proclaimed moral standards let alone attempt to live up to their partners moral views tbf. That I sadly have seen a heck of a lot sadly from other people. Either way though, you shouldn’t call a whole demographic that you don’t know, baseless things like being habitual liars? | |||
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"Everyone lies women are the worst for 2timing never honest yet I've been put under "all men lie to get what they want, nobody came to ask me anything how have you to come to this conclusion. We have never spoke!!" this is as much a sweeping statement as the op's , I dont cheat and im a woman , i think there needs to be a little less judgement as to what specific genders do and dont do . | |||
"Why. What have we lied about now? Asking for all the men…
I often tell people I don’t like football when I know they are city or Liverpool fans because I can be assed listening to them.
"I definitely need to start doing this when speaking to any Liverpool fans That’s a very acceptable lie! | |||
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"Men lie in the hope of getting sex? This is brand new information! " Someone write that down! | |||
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"Everyone lies women are the worst for 2timing never honest yet I've been put under "all men lie to get what they want, nobody came to ask me anything how have you to come to this conclusion. We have never spoke!! this is as much a sweeping statement as the op's , I dont cheat and im a woman , i think there needs to be a little less judgement as to what specific genders do and dont do ." Absolutely, I totally agree with you Spready Mercury x | |||
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"Why. What have we lied about now? Asking for all the men…
I often tell people I don’t like football when I know they are city or Liverpool fans because I can be assed listening to them.
I definitely need to start doing this when speaking to any Liverpool fans That’s a very acceptable lie! "Honestly, it works. 
- You a footie fan?
Me.- nah, I never got into it. …. | |||
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"The answer is simple and logical. Life as a man is all too easy. It’s like we’ve gamed the system at birth. We don’t have to deal with periods or child birth. We get sex on demand, whenever, wherever and however we want it. We don’t have to spend a large percentage of our life applying or removing makeup. We have far more money as over the years we pay a tenth of the price or less on haircuts over AN ENTIRE lifetime. Some selfish men (like myself) shave their hair themselves and add on extra profit. For this reason, we have off shore high interest tax free bank accounts which attract more wealth and status. We tend to be carrying more height and muscular mass on average and so we can typically eat a little bit more calories and indulge in more food without it causing unwanted weight gain. Life is like a dreamy walk in the park for men… But secretly we HATE IT! The biggest lie men have kept up for centuries is that life is not like the above in any way, we pulled the biggest marketing PR stunt of the millennia and made it seem publicly like being a man is actually pretty shitty sometimes… And so, to prop up this sneaky mistruth and add some validity we throw in daily, multiple times a day, little webs of deceit so nobody can follow the trail or figure out if they’re coming or going… like the web of bank accounts that lead ultimately to the offshore tax haven in the Caymen Islands no women will ever know about … Then we found we loved the thrill of the deceit. The adrenaline pumping moments of hiding the truth in plain sight, like a magnificent performance by the honerable Meth Chef Sir Walter White. After a lifetime of this, it just becomes second nature… For example, I didn’t write this post, and even if I did I never hit the Post Message button. Somebody else hacked my account and posted this bullshit, honestly, you can ask my mate, he was with me the whole time. We were watching 5 Minute Hobby Hacks on YouTube as we intended to knit our grandmas an Easter bunny today. This is the real reason all men lie but will never tell you… honestly, I’m not lieing "Aside from the tongue in cheek & it not being all men, some of this is an interesting take on things. Expanding on that - Having some things easier & an outer life of entitlement, so much so it's hard to see it for what it is, but other hand lacking emotional resilient, emotional support & expression, not developing self reflection/ regulation, so feeling unfulfilled & then acting inconsistently to chase the thrill of something instead of having a purpose or intentional fulfilment.. really interesting. | |||
"I'm a relatively relaxed person when it comes to life. I don't demand sexual partners only sleep with me. I simply demand that my sexual partners be honest and open with me. (a) so I can protect myself from nasty diseases, and (b) because without trust, how can sex be truly intimate? Without trust, sex is reduced to nothing but a fancy wank... and I can do that on my own. So after a week in which I discover two men have blatantly lied to me in the hope of getting sex, and as a result ruined their chances and seriously fucked me off in the process, I have to ask... Men. Why do you habitually lie?" There's a learning for you op. Some men are unscrupulous when it comes to emptying their balls. Who knew? Not all thankfully. Select more wisely. And sorry you met a couple of twats. But not all men are so. | |||
"The answer is simple and logical. Life as a man is all too easy. It’s like we’ve gamed the system at birth. We don’t have to deal with periods or child birth. We get sex on demand, whenever, wherever and however we want it. We don’t have to spend a large percentage of our life applying or removing makeup. We have far more money as over the years we pay a tenth of the price or less on haircuts over AN ENTIRE lifetime. Some selfish men (like myself) shave their hair themselves and add on extra profit. For this reason, we have off shore high interest tax free bank accounts which attract more wealth and status. We tend to be carrying more height and muscular mass on average and so we can typically eat a little bit more calories and indulge in more food without it causing unwanted weight gain. Life is like a dreamy walk in the park for men… But secretly we HATE IT! The biggest lie men have kept up for centuries is that life is not like the above in any way, we pulled the biggest marketing PR stunt of the millennia and made it seem publicly like being a man is actually pretty shitty sometimes… And so, to prop up this sneaky mistruth and add some validity we throw in daily, multiple times a day, little webs of deceit so nobody can follow the trail or figure out if they’re coming or going… like the web of bank accounts that lead ultimately to the offshore tax haven in the Caymen Islands no women will ever know about … Then we found we loved the thrill of the deceit. The adrenaline pumping moments of hiding the truth in plain sight, like a magnificent performance by the honerable Meth Chef Sir Walter White. After a lifetime of this, it just becomes second nature… For example, I didn’t write this post, and even if I did I never hit the Post Message button. Somebody else hacked my account and posted this bullshit, honestly, you can ask my mate, he was with me the whole time. We were watching 5 Minute Hobby Hacks on YouTube as we intended to knit our grandmas an Easter bunny today. This is the real reason all men lie but will never tell you… honestly, I’m not lieing
Aside from the tongue in cheek & it not being all men, some of this is an interesting take on things.
Expanding on that - Having some things easier & an outer life of entitlement, so much so it's hard to see it for what it is, but other hand lacking emotional resilient, emotional support & expression, not developing self reflection/ regulation, so feeling unfulfilled & then acting inconsistently to chase the thrill of something instead of having a purpose or intentional fulfilment.. really interesting."Glad you spotted in the above there’s truth between the lies if you can read past the inherent sarcasm. Whichever way you look at it, slice and dice it, men and women are not physically, hormonally, or by nature of societal norms/expectations etc - the same. These intriguing psychological landscapes, stimulus and experiences produce relatively predictable to some degree variations in habitual character traits. Leaving morality and ethics aside - therein lies the reason and logically the answer to the OPs question. But indeed the subject is fascinating. | |||
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 it just depends whether it’s a wee fib or a humongous lie and the effect it has on others.
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"People lie because 9/10 people who ask for the truth don’t actually want to hear it. They want to hear the answer that complies with the ideal they’ve built in their head, and don’t like it when the two don’t match." This is also very true. People often ask for the truth when in fact, they’re asking you for validation. | |||
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"Why. What have we lied about now? Asking for all the men…
I often tell people I don’t like football when I know they are city or Liverpool fans because I can be assed listening to them.
"You were telling the truth if you’re a Utd fan | |||
"Everyone lies daily. It’s a natural part of human communication. That’s why we have to be cautious and build trust. It’s not a “men” thing " Often, and l I’ll get banned from the site here I’m sure… Men lie spontaneously and are pretty dumb liars (and I did say often and not exclusively to which the following also applies) and that women are often more calculated and thoughtful in their strategic lies. Again, I’m generalising, but (I have no data to cite this and it’s my personal belief and observation) this is due to societal, hormonal and physical differences between the two sexes. | |||
"Dont make out there's no truth to what I'm saying definitely is ! Although let's just add not every woman is that sweet homemaker at home crying because her man's out cheating in her and doing her wrong some women have completely destroyed straight friends of mine were talking watching the manliest of men crying like a baby it's actually sad to see " What’s that got to do with the price of fish  | |||
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"Everyone lies daily. It’s a natural part of human communication. That’s why we have to be cautious and build trust. It’s not a “men” thing " We're straying into philosophical argument here and the Creta Liar's Paradox. If all people are lairs the OP is lying and no men are lying to her. | |||
"People lie because 9/10 people who ask for the truth don’t actually want to hear it. They want to hear the answer that complies with the ideal they’ve built in their head, and don’t like it when the two don’t match." I agree with this | |||
"I think the old adage that a "stiff c0ck has no conscience" applies here." It doesn't even need to be stiff to have no conscience, and that's the truth! | |||
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"I think the old adage that a "stiff c0ck has no conscience" applies here. It doesn't even need to be stiff to have no conscience, and that's the truth!" So there's no sliding scale of stiffness vs deviousness? | |||
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"People lie, it isnt just men. But men often lie to get what they want. " Women lie to get what they want all the time specifically to men. Also absolute experts at manipulating and shaming/ guilt tripping. It's their superpower | |||
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"People lie to save face, to avoid hurting other people’s feelings, to impress others, to shirk responsibility, to hide misdeeds, as a social lubricant, to prevent conflict, to get out of work, and many more reasons. Mr "Because they can | |||
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"I know how you feel OP. Being lied to feels awful and it's even worse when you know they're lying and they just carry on doing it " Do you call them out or just let them hang theirselves? I’m the later. Let them dig their hole, the truth will always come out. It doesn’t matter how long. | |||
"People lie, it isnt just men. But men often lie to get what they want. Women lie to get what they want all the time specifically to men. Also absolute experts at manipulating and shaming/ guilt tripping. It's their superpower" I was recently showing a friend some clips of the late Roy Masters (The Foundation for Human Understanding). He maintained that women 'Make you king with your thing'. That generally involves a fair amount of lying from both sides! | |||
" ... The worst lies for me, is pretending you are single when you aren’t, which seems to be a common thing on here. If you have to start your interactions with lies then it’s not a good basis for building the right connection. K" The difficulty is that being single comes in so many flavours. Technically being single is the opposite of being married. However, reality is somewhat different. There are many grades of involvement and loyalty in between. Most people who get involved with repeat dating do so because a bond develops and that is when the trouble starts, especially when the supply of pleasure is under threat. I once had a female teaching colleague who liked to say "I've had to work very hard at staying single". At the time she ways getting serious grief from her principal lover which rather took the edge of her singleness! Very few people are totally free unless there is some other drawback. | |||
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"Everyone lies women are the worst for 2timing never honest yet I've been put under "all men lie to get what they want, nobody came to ask me anything how have you to come to this conclusion. We have never spoke!! this is as much a sweeping statement as the op's , I dont cheat and im a woman , i think there needs to be a little less judgement as to what specific genders do and dont do ." Finally someone talking sense | |||
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"I very rarely lie ,I don't have a good enough memory or actually give a big enough fuck what anyone thinks about me." Apart from my username that's a total lie. | |||
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"I know how you feel OP. Being lied to feels awful and it's even worse when you know they're lying and they just carry on doing it Do you call them out or just let them hang theirselves? I’m the later. Let them dig their hole, the truth will always come out. It doesn’t matter how long. " Bit of both, really, it all depends on my mood I guess  | |||
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"People can't demand honesty but if others choose to lie, whatever the reason, its on them. We also can't get mad at others not abiding by our morals/standards. One persons little white lie is another's world of deceit so if you don't trust someone, just walk away. I disagree. I can demand honesty from my playmates as a condition of not walking away. I need honesty for intimacy. Without honesty there is no trust. Without trust there can be no intimacy." Agree. My rule number 1 is total honesty. You lie to me and you are on my block list. You cant have a proper D/s meet without trust in the same way you cant have longer term meets without it either. | |||
"Everyone lies daily. It’s a natural part of human communication. That’s why we have to be cautious and build trust. It’s not a “men” thing We're straying into philosophical argument here and the Creta Liar's Paradox. If all people are lairs the OP is lying and no men are lying to her." Well, how does OP know that men are “habitual liars” ? Seems a strange conclusion to jump to based off of two people that they don’t even know | |||
"People lie, it isnt just men. But men often lie to get what they want. " Er, not all men do this, thank you | |||
" Men. Why do you habitually lie?" …. Because it’s one of the few damn things we’re actually really good at. Thankfully! | |||
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"People lie, it isnt just men. But men often lie to get what they want. Er, not all men do this, thank you" But who is going to trust any who says that they don't? !!! | |||
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"You answered your own question... People lie, to get the sex! " That’s such a lie | |||
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