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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." Add dentist receptionists and we’re impenetrable | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in... Add dentist receptionists and we’re impenetrable " Funny thing is it's true, I contacted a dentist as my work provide dental insurance. They told me that the wait list was over 2 years but if I went private I could be seen next week. 4 dentist, 3 private only and 1 that did NHS. | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." Feck that's funny oh use in English defence rugby ,football. | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . " You should try reading the 1951 refugee convention. | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . " They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.."  | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum." Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ... | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ..." There is a video going around of a hot mic from a dwp civil servant who is pissed off that migrants have no intention of working and demand everything. | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ... There is a video going around of a hot mic from a dwp civil servant who is pissed off that migrants have no intention of working and demand everything. " Quite right too - we've got our own lazy and indolent to look after!!  | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." | |||
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"The left on here will of course welcome them. I wonder if there's a limit for how many they think we should take, or should we just keep going until there's no one connected to this island's history living here at all?" It's not really a left-right thing - socialists generally oppose immigration (competes with local, union-organised labour) and capitalists generally support immigration (cheap workers). It's only parts of the left that support taking in refugees, traditionally rooted in the left-christian, non-comformist movement (Christians are traditionally pro-providing refuge). The right has been overrun by ethno-nationalists, who are primarily concerned with ethnic purity, and who have until now struggled to break through since going "out of fashion" during the second world war. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. ." Love to see the data on the ‘fair whack’ Fully trained doctors and nurses do get to work here and I am sure they have come here legally. I personally wouldn’t want people who do things illegally working for our health service. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." Well said! And think about this. What those 'boat people' have endured to reach our shores is equivalent to the toughest selection process on earth! Most of them have walked thousands of miles on foot, through war zones, bandit country, arid deserts, and then had to negotiate with human traffickers to cross the Mediterranean in boats that we'd be terrified to even step on. They then they had to cross Europe, facing harsh weather conditions and multiple languages that they don't know. Then survive in lawless squatter camps in the 'rench jungle' and earn enough money to pay new smugglers for another dangerous sea crossing.. To actually reach us they need to be very intelligent, street smart, super resourceful, highly determined, individuals who never give up and don't shy in the face of a challenge! The ones that make it here really are among the best people I have met and worked with. I honestly believe that we are lucky to have people like that adding to our society a d economy! | |||
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"The left on here will of course welcome them. I wonder if there's a limit for how many they think we should take, or should we just keep going until there's no one connected to this island's history living here at all? It's not really a left-right thing - socialists generally oppose immigration (competes with local, union-organised labour) and capitalists generally support immigration (cheap workers). It's only parts of the left that support taking in refugees, traditionally rooted in the left-christian, non-comformist movement (Christians are traditionally pro-providing refuge). The right has been overrun by ethno-nationalists, who are primarily concerned with ethnic purity, and who have until now struggled to break through since going "out of fashion" during the second world war." The Labour party want to stop the smugglers less migrants and are on the right and the conservatives want more so must be left, am I missing something or are the public that fixated that they can't see it. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. . Love to see the data on the ‘fair whack’ Fully trained doctors and nurses do get to work here and I am sure they have come here legally. I personally wouldn’t want people who do things illegally working for our health service. " If boats are an illegal means of entry, what about yachts? Ah.. arriving by boat isn’t criminal is it? Where did you get such poor logic? Was it the Mail? The newspaper with 51% of its stories being false or misleading. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. . Love to see the data on the ‘fair whack’ Fully trained doctors and nurses do get to work here and I am sure they have come here legally. I personally wouldn’t want people who do things illegally working for our health service. If boats are an illegal means of entry, what about yachts? Ah.. arriving by boat isn’t criminal is it? Where did you get such poor logic? Was it the Mail? The newspaper with 51% of its stories being false or misleading. " No it is not criminal, but they are still put in the dock so they can act upon it just like in court, if they do not dock what do you do. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. . Love to see the data on the ‘fair whack’ Fully trained doctors and nurses do get to work here and I am sure they have come here legally. I personally wouldn’t want people who do things illegally working for our health service. If boats are an illegal means of entry, what about yachts? Ah.. arriving by boat isn’t criminal is it? Where did you get such poor logic? Was it the Mail? The newspaper with 51% of its stories being false or misleading. " Not sure what your point is, perhaps it’s you who reads the Mail…but it’s still illegal entry initially to the country. | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . " Very good | |||
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"If it was my child/grandchildren - I would sell my soul, morals, body. To get them to perceived safety by the way. " So would I, but not necessarily half way round the world. It would be to the nearest safe country. | |||
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"If it was my child/grandchildren - I would sell my soul, morals, body. To get them to perceived safety by the way. So would I, but not necessarily half way round the world. It would be to the nearest safe country. " And where is the nearest safe country? Because they have to be at least optional to accept that children will not be deported upon entry, and that their asylum application will be reviewed? | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum." That's not completely true. The french did a massive amount to welcome Ukrainians when they sought help. | |||
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"If it was my child/grandchildren - I would sell my soul, morals, body. To get them to perceived safety by the way. So would I, but not necessarily half way round the world. It would be to the nearest safe country. And where is the nearest safe country? Because they have to be at least optional to accept that children will not be deported upon entry, and that their asylum application will be reviewed? " I would say any european country would be a safe place. | |||
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"The left on here will of course welcome them. I wonder if there's a limit for how many they think we should take, or should we just keep going until there's no one connected to this island's history living here at all?" You will probably find most of them will have more connections to our history then most UK citizens... resources taken from their countries by uk, dictatorships put in place supported by uk, UK weapons used against them....the list is endless really... they have experienced our history for a long time and continue to do so. | |||
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"It wasn’t this bad before Brexit. And yes Doctors receptionists are the biggest barrier in the UK." Joking aside - I bought oral abscess medication via superdrug after my GP receptionist shut me down. I hope to hell she's not stood on the borders telling kids fleeing war zones to fuck right off too  | |||
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"It wasn’t this bad before Brexit. And yes Doctors receptionists are the biggest barrier in the UK. Joking aside - I bought oral abscess medication via superdrug after my GP receptionist shut me down. I hope to hell she's not stood on the borders telling kids fleeing war zones to fuck right off too "1st World problems | |||
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"It wasn’t this bad before Brexit. And yes Doctors receptionists are the biggest barrier in the UK. Joking aside - I bought oral abscess medication via superdrug after my GP receptionist shut me down. I hope to hell she's not stood on the borders telling kids fleeing war zones to fuck right off too "Honestly think there’s likely a lot of people’s healthcare adversely affected by doctors hiring the towns biggest boots to screen out any calls | |||
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"They are not boat people..... They are people - humans- refugees ......" Dehumanisation, Granny. It's one of the things that helps the "antis" be horrible. | |||
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"It wasn’t this bad before Brexit. And yes Doctors receptionists are the biggest barrier in the UK. Joking aside - I bought oral abscess medication via superdrug after my GP receptionist shut me down. I hope to hell she's not stood on the borders telling kids fleeing war zones to fuck right off too
Honestly think there’s likely a lot of people’s healthcare adversely affected by doctors hiring the towns biggest boots to screen out any calls"There was nowt to my 19 prescription to this | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." Yes the war and persecution in Calais is just awful. And the rest of Europe & Asia they are paying to be trafficked through. But you are right that they want a lifestyle many in the UK take for granted - free basic level health, housing and education guaranteed for life for the while family , regardless of whether you are working or not. That’s the attraction of places like UK & Canada over all the other countries. | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." lol yep i guess so | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ..." Ha ha!u are a comedian as well Tom!!  | |||
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"The left on here will of course welcome them. I wonder if there's a limit for how many they think we should take, or should we just keep going until there's no one connected to this island's history living here at all?" | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.. Well said! And think about this. What those 'boat people' have endured to reach our shores is equivalent to the toughest selection process on earth! Most of them have walked thousands of miles on foot, through war zones, bandit country, arid deserts, and then had to negotiate with human traffickers to cross the Mediterranean in boats that we'd be terrified to even step on. They then they had to cross Europe, facing harsh weather conditions and multiple languages that they don't know. Then survive in lawless squatter camps in the 'rench jungle' and earn enough money to pay new smugglers for another dangerous sea crossing.. To actually reach us they need to be very intelligent, street smart, super resourceful, highly determined, individuals who never give up and don't shy in the face of a challenge! The ones that make it here really are among the best people I have met and worked with. I honestly believe that we are lucky to have people like that adding to our society a d economy! "  x | |||
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"If it was my child/grandchildren - I would sell my soul, morals, body. To get them to perceived safety by the way. " xx | |||
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"They are not boat people..... They are people - humans- refugees ...... Dehumanisation, Granny. It's one of the things that helps the "antis" be horrible. " Not you again | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ..." Generous? I suppose you could at a pinch say it stems from generosity, but it’s not a big cash handout. And of course they’d get similar benefits in France too. Gbat | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ... Generous? I suppose you could at a pinch say it stems from generosity, but it’s not a big cash handout. And of course they’d get similar benefits in France too. Gbat " £35pwk they were getting?... Not worth the swim I say | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.. Well said! And think about this. What those 'boat people' have endured to reach our shores is equivalent to the toughest selection process on earth! Most of them have walked thousands of miles on foot, through war zones, bandit country, arid deserts, and then had to negotiate with human traffickers to cross the Mediterranean in boats that we'd be terrified to even step on. They then they had to cross Europe, facing harsh weather conditions and multiple languages that they don't know. Then survive in lawless squatter camps in the 'rench jungle' and earn enough money to pay new smugglers for another dangerous sea crossing.. To actually reach us they need to be very intelligent, street smart, super resourceful, highly determined, individuals who never give up and don't shy in the face of a challenge! The ones that make it here really are among the best people I have met and worked with. I honestly believe that we are lucky to have people like that adding to our society a d economy! x"This is true not just of the UK but migration in general. I work with the Filipinos technical guys in Cebu, And here in Dubai. I work with west Africans in west Africa and in London. The ones who have migrated to another country for a better life, legally regardless of how or where are generally higher educated, higher skilled and more strategic thinking. The ones who have been trafficked here illegally generally end up in the lowest skilled jobs and / or crime. This is a generalisation of course , There are always exceptions, but it’s a pattern that many people understand and accept | |||
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"Majority of them are economic migrants, looking for work and cash to send home and unsurprisingly are guided into the fruit and veg picking trade, which the government doesn't have enough people for, since brexit stopped free travel for economic migrants.... A small percentage on the boats are actually war torn refugees, most war torn refugees come into this country legally through government initiatives, I was glad to see any Ukraine nationals in need, have another 18 months being hosted here "Will some of the young men fleeing so called war torn countries be of conscription age be draft dodging or even full blown deserters who would have faced a firing squad for alleged cowardice .. | |||
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"Will some of the young men fleeing so called war torn countries be of conscription age be draft dodging or even full blown deserters who would have faced a firing squad for alleged cowardice .. " This is a sickening and cowardly thing to say. You are essentially asking why people fleeing war can't die senselessly in their home countries instead of fleeing to safety here. I was hoping this whole thread would have been moved to politics long ago, so I could ignore it along with the rest of the edgy hot takes. | |||
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"Most are fit healthy young men. They are blocking the system up and stopping genuine ones who go through the legal methods. Also in this time of uncertainty around the world with regard to security, we do need to do something to stop it." What is illegal about arriving by sea? Do we need to ban yachts, ferries and cruise ships? | |||
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"The left on here will of course welcome them. I wonder if there's a limit for how many they think we should take, or should we just keep going until there's no one connected to this island's history living here at all? It's not really a left-right thing - socialists generally oppose immigration (competes with local, union-organised labour) and capitalists generally support immigration (cheap workers). It's only parts of the left that support taking in refugees, traditionally rooted in the left-christian, non-comformist movement (Christians are traditionally pro-providing refuge). The right has been overrun by ethno-nationalists, who are primarily concerned with ethnic purity, and who have until now struggled to break through since going "out of fashion" during the second world war." I notice you didn't answer the question, so I'll ask it again. How many should we take? | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." Does beg the question what the French border patrol, and coast guard and navy and the British border force and coast guard and navy actually do if these supposed rag tag on a lilo can make it through... Just imagine what people with a well worked plan, superior equipment and malicious intent might be able to achieve. | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in... Does beg the question what the French border patrol, and coast guard and navy and the British border force and coast guard and navy actually do if these supposed rag tag on a lilo can make it through... Just imagine what people with a well worked plan, superior equipment and malicious intent might be able to achieve. " And imagine if we had a captured media constantly disseminating false narratives amongst the public, and said public lapping it up and lacking the critical thinking to realise the looming threat, whilst vilifying those who attempt to point it out as Nazis/Bigots/Alt-Right etc. It'd be terrifying wouldn't it? | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in... Does beg the question what the French border patrol, and coast guard and navy and the British border force and coast guard and navy actually do if these supposed rag tag on a lilo can make it through... Just imagine what people with a well worked plan, superior equipment and malicious intent might be able to achieve. And imagine if we had a captured media constantly disseminating false narratives amongst the public, and said public lapping it up and lacking the critical thinking to realise the looming threat, whilst vilifying those who attempt to point it out as Nazis/Bigots/Alt-Right etc. It'd be terrifying wouldn't it?" Naaa they are all good uns... What could possibly go wrong | |||
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"There is no will in France and never will be to stop them. It's suits them to pass their problem to us. Is Macron to blame here? And a host of others French Prime Ministers. 500 a day is about 15,000 a month and about 30,000 a year. A new town every year. " We have Infinite space tom and a bottomless pit of money. Build it and they will come no problem. | |||
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"Will some of the young men fleeing so called war torn countries be of conscription age be draft dodging or even full blown deserters who would have faced a firing squad for alleged cowardice .. " Yes, absolutely! That’s why they are entitled to asylum. Why should they fight in a war they didn’t choose? That’s like people fleeing concentration camps. Quite a good idea. Gbat | |||
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"Most are fit healthy young men. They are blocking the system up and stopping genuine ones who go through the legal methods. Also in this time of uncertainty around the world with regard to security, we do need to do something to stop it." Are they mostly fit healthy young men? But if they are, that’s not such a surprise. It takes a LOT of hard work to reach safety. Are they blocking the system up? What data have you got to support that or are you just regurgitating something? It’s perfectly legal to seek asylum in the UK. Why do you think they aren’t genuine? If we aren’t happy about security, we need to stop the actual threat rather than just throw a blanket ban around. If we used your logic, we should stop all football matches because there’s violence at some of them. Gbat | |||
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"So where actually are all of the women. Tom was at dover once with food, blankets and a hot flask and saw a dinghy of boat people coming in. He shouted, Women and Children First .... Stoney silence . There weren't any .. Then a voice from the back... A 6 ft 6 with a beard like Moses saying .. I am 14...." No you didn’t. Stop talking bollocks. The trouble with these “jokey” narratives is that some people believe them. Gbat | |||
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"I notice you didn't answer the question, so I'll ask it again. How many should we take?" That’s really easy. As many as we can. If you want an actual numerical answer, it will depend on: the age of the people arriving; the current population of the UK at that time; the death rate in the UK at that time; the anticipated population density in the UK at that time; the economic prosperity in the UK at that time; the appetite within the UK to share resources at that time; the UKs desire to comply with the already agreed international regulations at that time; the UKs history with the country of their origin; the UKs complicity with the current crisis within their country of origin. Probably other factors too, but I’ve been to the pub. Gbat | |||
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"And imagine if we had a captured media constantly disseminating false narratives amongst the public, and said public lapping it up and lacking the critical thinking to realise the looming threat, whilst vilifying those who attempt to point it out as Nazis/Bigots/Alt-Right etc. It'd be terrifying wouldn't it?" And imagine if we had a captured media constantly disseminating false narratives amongst the public, and said public lapping it up and lacking the critical thinking to realise the distraction tactic, whilst vilifying those who attempt to point it out as woke/snowflakes/bleeding heart liberals etc. It'd be terrifying wouldn't it? Fixed that for you. Gbat | |||
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"Sadly, opening the doors to floods of entitled people, moaning about their accomodation and biting the hands that feeds them is not the answer...." Is that really happening or are you also regurgitating nonsense? Do you mean people saying they are unhappy with unsanitary conditions? I don’t think that’s biting anyone’s hand. Gbat | |||
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"Being a relatively small island, the problem isn’t difficult. Use the Navy to turn the boats around. It works in Australia which is ever so slightly bigger. You have to be of use to Australia to gain citizenship, why should we be any different?" Refugees aren’t seeking citizenship, (of Australia or anywhere else) they are seeking refuge. Don’t confuse the two things. If you want to go to Australia because you fancy a different job and more sun, get a visa. If your house is being bombed, you are a refugee. Quote from Australian Refugee council: People who seek asylum by boat are not breaking the law. It is not a crime to come to Australia without first getting permission (a ‘visa’). Under the Refugee Convention, countries cannot penalise refugees who do not have valid travel documents. In fact, entering without permission is the way most refugees find safety. There are many reasons why it is wrong to call people seeking asylum ‘illegal’. It wrongly suggests these people are criminals. It fosters prejudice towards outsiders. It also suggests these people do not have rights. Calling people ‘illegal’ may also breach reporting standards That's what the Australian Refugee Council are saying, argue with them, not me. Gbat | |||
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"I notice you didn't answer the question, so I'll ask it again. How many should we take? That’s really easy. As many as we can. " And what determines the limits of this 'as we can', keep taking them until people start falling into the ocean due to lack of space? I'm also curious how many you'll personally be housing? | |||
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"And what determines the limits of this 'as we can', keep taking them until people start falling into the ocean due to lack of space? I'm also curious how many you'll personally be housing? " Determines the limits??? I told you above. How many will I personally house? None. Nor am I asking you to. Imagine, I'm raising money for orphans and you ask me how many I will personally house? Homeless ex service personnel? How many will you house? Recovering drug addicts? Kidney patients? Cancer patients? Domestic violence sufferers? Lost dogs? Homelesss cats? No one is asking you (or me) to house them, but I don't think either of us should campaign quite as vigorously as you to stop them getting a house either. Gbat | |||
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"I see you avoided answering the question so I'll ask you again How many is the limit of 'as we can' Gbat?" If only the world were so simple!!! Just a few posts above, you've already read it. "If you want an actual numerical answer, it will depend on: the age of the people arriving; the current population of the UK at that time; the death rate in the UK at that time; the anticipated population density in the UK at that time; the economic prosperity in the UK at that time; the appetite within the UK to share resources at that time; the UKs desire to comply with the already agreed international regulations at that time; the UKs history with the country of their origin; the UKs complicity with the current crisis within their country of origin. Probably other factors too, but I’ve been to the pub." Just crunch all those numbers together and there's your answer! I didn't avoid your question, you just aren't listening. Gbat | |||
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"I see you avoided answering the question so I'll ask you again How many is the limit of 'as we can' Gbat? If only the world were so simple!!! Just a few posts above, you've already read it. "If you want an actual numerical answer, it will depend on: the age of the people arriving; the current population of the UK at that time; the death rate in the UK at that time; the anticipated population density in the UK at that time; the economic prosperity in the UK at that time; the appetite within the UK to share resources at that time; the UKs desire to comply with the already agreed international regulations at that time; the UKs history with the country of their origin; the UKs complicity with the current crisis within their country of origin. Probably other factors too, but I’ve been to the pub." Just crunch all those numbers together and there's your answer! I didn't avoid your question, you just aren't listening. Gbat " Bravo Gbat - although I very much doubt that your reasoned rational arguments will change the mind of the average brainwashed Brit. Be that as it may, these threads are great for w33ding out the bigots. | |||
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"I see you avoided answering the question so I'll ask you again How many is the limit of 'as we can' Gbat? If only the world were so simple!!! Just a few posts above, you've already read it. "If you want an actual numerical answer, it will depend on: the age of the people arriving; the current population of the UK at that time; the death rate in the UK at that time; the anticipated population density in the UK at that time; the economic prosperity in the UK at that time; the appetite within the UK to share resources at that time; the UKs desire to comply with the already agreed international regulations at that time; the UKs history with the country of their origin; the UKs complicity with the current crisis within their country of origin. Probably other factors too, but I’ve been to the pub." Just crunch all those numbers together and there's your answer! I didn't avoid your question, you just aren't listening. Gbat Bravo Gbat - although I very much doubt that your reasoned rational arguments will change the mind of the average brainwashed Brit. Be that as it may, these threads are great for w33ding out the bigots. " Sadly, far too many see immigrants as "the enemy", especially if they're not white. The fact that immigration restrictions are actually harming many sections of the economy and keeping families apart is also ignored. The vast majority of immigrants are decent hard working people,if they're allowed to stay and work. Nita | |||
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"Okay - so you don't know, thank you." No one knows! I've never seen a published figure anywhere. There's a lot of variables (See above) But I do know that the current UK government haven't arrived at a figure, so not sure why you would expect one from me. In reality it's not a problem just now, but I appreciate you believe it is. "You will however continue to advocate that we keep stretching the already thin resources of a culturally conflicted, bitterly divided country struggling through a severe financial crisis and subject to ever increasing levels of unemployment, crime and violence." That's not at all what I'm advocating though, is it? The thin resources in the UK are not the fault of refugees or "boat people." They're the fault of mismanagement by politicians, the current bunch having been in power for 14 years. However, I will grant them that unemployment is at its lowest since 1991 (maybe even longer, but that's all the data I had access to). Don't let the real unemployment figures spoil your story though. In fact, since the UK has stopped some people from entering, some industries have struggled for personnel. Imagine all those EDL boys who could have been dentists but were blocked by Romanian dentists. Well, hey, now they can get their surgery!! Similarly, the 3.6% of people who are unemployed will probably find it easier to pick cabbages or work in care homes now. Bitterly divided? Who is causing that? I'd guess it's more you than "the others." Increasing crime and violence? Stop cronyism from making rich people richer and invest in community facilities. Stop it with this "you house them." Nobody is asking anyone to share a house. Do you support homeless ex service personnel? How many have you housed? I'm not asking you to do any more than me. I will happily share a library, service station, hospital, with "others." I'm happy to make friends with them if the situation is right. That doesn't mean I want any one else living in my house. I don't want you, or my best mate or my sisters living with me either. I pay a fair whack of tax in the UK and I'm happy for a proportion of it to save lives anywhere in the world. Gbat | |||
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"Fixed that for you. Nah, I'll stick with the version which is based in reality thanks, go read the communist manifesto again." Communists famously limited immigration as well as migration within states including the Soviet Union and China. Marx opposed immigration, seeing it as a capitalist tool to counter worker solidarity. You seem convinced that anything which challenges your perspective on reality is a left-wing conspiracy. | |||
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"I see you avoided answering the question so I'll ask you again How many is the limit of 'as we can' Gbat? If only the world were so simple!!! Just a few posts above, you've already read it. "If you want an actual numerical answer, it will depend on: the age of the people arriving; the current population of the UK at that time; the death rate in the UK at that time; the anticipated population density in the UK at that time; the economic prosperity in the UK at that time; the appetite within the UK to share resources at that time; the UKs desire to comply with the already agreed international regulations at that time; the UKs history with the country of their origin; the UKs complicity with the current crisis within their country of origin. Probably other factors too, but I’ve been to the pub." Just crunch all those numbers together and there's your answer! I didn't avoid your question, you just aren't listening. Gbat Bravo Gbat - although I very much doubt that your reasoned rational arguments will change the mind of the average brainwashed Brit. Be that as it may, these threads are great for w33ding out the bigots. " Agreed! Gbat reading this thread is the voice of reasoning intelligence and fairness! Xx | |||
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"Being a relatively small island, the problem isn’t difficult. Use the Navy to turn the boats around. It works in Australia which is ever so slightly bigger. You have to be of use to Australia to gain citizenship, why should we be any different? Refugees aren’t seeking citizenship, (of Australia or anywhere else) they are seeking refuge. Don’t confuse the two things. If you want to go to Australia because you fancy a different job and more sun, get a visa. If your house is being bombed, you are a refugee. Quote from Australian Refugee council: People who seek asylum by boat are not breaking the law. It is not a crime to come to Australia without first getting permission (a ‘visa’). Under the Refugee Convention, countries cannot penalise refugees who do not have valid travel documents. In fact, entering without permission is the way most refugees find safety. There are many reasons why it is wrong to call people seeking asylum ‘illegal’. It wrongly suggests these people are criminals. It fosters prejudice towards outsiders. It also suggests these people do not have rights. Calling people ‘illegal’ may also breach reporting standards That's what the Australian Refugee Council are saying, argue with them, not me. Gbat Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering a country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened”. It’s pretty clear that those entering the country from Europe clearly do not fall into this category. Ergo, they are illegal. Starting a new life as a criminal doesn’t strike me as a great idea and unlikely to ingratiate you with the majority of the population. " | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ..." We stayed at a hotel just outside Glasgow a few years ago which was occupied mainly by immigrants who are waiting to be housed. We were told by hotel staff we would need to get to breakfast early because they will take all the food. Sure enough we got our breakfast early, they would turn up at the buffet with bags and fill up with food and get flasks of coffee before minibuses would take them into Glasgow town centre, where apparently they would shoplift and try to sell the lifted items to the hotel staff. Obviously I can't say everyone coming over is doing the same but it was shocking to see first hand. | |||
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"Most are fit healthy young men. They are blocking the system up and stopping genuine ones who go through the legal methods. Also in this time of uncertainty around the world with regard to security, we do need to do something to stop it." Would you prefer that they were old and decrepit? How would that make them more “legal” or useful to the UK? Is there actually a point to your argument? I have to say this again and again, arriving by boat does not magically or logically make you illegal. | |||
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"Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering a country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened”. It’s pretty clear that those entering the country from Europe clearly do not fall into this category. Ergo, they are illegal. Starting a new life as a criminal doesn’t strike me as a great idea and unlikely to ingratiate you with the majority of the population. " And here's a quote from the UN paper from October 2001, with further explanatory notes on that convention. This is item 2.3 28. "REFUGEES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN." It says a lot more, but it's a very long document. Here's a 1999 English court ruling on it. R v. Uxbridge Magistrates Court, ex parte Adimi [1999] Imm AR 560, United Kingdom The Divisional Court observed: ‘That Article 31 extends not merely to those ultimately accorded refugee status but also to those claiming asylum in good faith (presumptive refugees) is not in doubt. Nor is it disputed that Article 31's protection can apply equally to those using false documents as to those (characteristically the refugees of earlier times) who enter a country clandestinely.’ The law is one of the reasons that the current government have wasted millions of pounds in their failed Rwanda scheme. It's against the law. Gbat | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." I wasn’t aware we had much Vietnamese migration onto our shores. Considering many left in 1975 it’s took a long time for them to travel here. | |||
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"We stayed at a hotel just outside Glasgow a few years ago which was occupied mainly by immigrants who are waiting to be housed. We were told by hotel staff we would need to get to breakfast early because they will take all the food. Sure enough we got our breakfast early, they would turn up at the buffet with bags and fill up with food and get flasks of coffee before minibuses would take them into Glasgow town centre, where apparently they would shoplift and try to sell the lifted items to the hotel staff. Obviously I can't say everyone coming over is doing the same but it was shocking to see first hand." Perhaps if they were processed in a timely manner and then allowed to find paid work, this wouldn't happen? Gbat | |||
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"Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering a country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened”. It’s pretty clear that those entering the country from Europe clearly do not fall into this category. Ergo, they are illegal. Starting a new life as a criminal doesn’t strike me as a great idea and unlikely to ingratiate you with the majority of the population. And here's a quote from the UN paper from October 2001, with further explanatory notes on that convention. This is item 2.3 28. "REFUGEES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN." It says a lot more, but it's a very long document. Here's a 1999 English court ruling on it. R v. Uxbridge Magistrates Court, ex parte Adimi [1999] Imm AR 560, United Kingdom The Divisional Court observed: ‘That Article 31 extends not merely to those ultimately accorded refugee status but also to those claiming asylum in good faith (presumptive refugees) is not in doubt. Nor is it disputed that Article 31's protection can apply equally to those using false documents as to those (characteristically the refugees of earlier times) who enter a country clandestinely.’ The law is one of the reasons that the current government have wasted millions of pounds in their failed Rwanda scheme. It's against the law. Gbat " If only people understood this. Instead they get caught up in culture wars and foam at the mouth at the whim of the right wing press and grifters. | |||
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"Or they see things for themselves and decide they don’t agree and feel no desire to be pressured into going along with bleeding heart lefty rhetoric " Or they've been misled by simple vote grabbing headlines and don't understand that immigrants are a proven economic boon to the UK. What have you actually seen for yourself Rob? There were nearly 1.5 million visas issued last year for entry into the UK. You do know a million is a really big number don't you? I wonder how much of what you've personally seen for yourself defines that 1.5 million people? Gbat | |||
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"Do ppl still come over to UK thinking its an easy life? Free house, easy money, free money etc? " m It was never that. But that’s what the right wing press love to push. | |||
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" BUT we took back control and we all live in the land of milk and honey and a uptopian dream has come true ?" Yes, and immigration has actually gone up since Brexit. When they said 'take control' I guess a lot of Brexiteers meant a reduction not an increase! Gbat | |||
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"Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering a country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened”. It’s pretty clear that those entering the country from Europe clearly do not fall into this category. Ergo, they are illegal. Starting a new life as a criminal doesn’t strike me as a great idea and unlikely to ingratiate you with the majority of the population. And here's a quote from the UN paper from October 2001, with further explanatory notes on that convention. This is item 2.3 28. "REFUGEES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN." It says a lot more, but it's a very long document. Here's a 1999 English court ruling on it. R v. Uxbridge Magistrates Court, ex parte Adimi [1999] Imm AR 560, United Kingdom The Divisional Court observed: ‘That Article 31 extends not merely to those ultimately accorded refugee status but also to those claiming asylum in good faith (presumptive refugees) is not in doubt. Nor is it disputed that Article 31's protection can apply equally to those using false documents as to those (characteristically the refugees of earlier times) who enter a country clandestinely.’ The law is one of the reasons that the current government have wasted millions of pounds in their failed Rwanda scheme. It's against the law. Gbat " I agree that the law is an issue. Section 24 (1) (a) Immigration Act 1971 states: Entering (or attempting to enter) the United Kingdom without permission is a criminal offence. Section 2 Asylum & Immigration Act 2004 states: Failing to provide a passport or immigration document on entry to the United Kingdom is a criminal offence. The law is a mess. In 2003, the Labour Government was taken to court by a left-wing lawyer who demanded that benefits should be extended to illegal immigrants. He won and paved the way for the hundreds that arrive every day. Nice work, Sir Starmer. What would be interesting is the result of a referendum on illegal immigration. Bet that wouldn’t go the way your average Guardian reader would like, but it would be democratic. | |||
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"Or they see things for themselves and decide they don’t agree and feel no desire to be pressured into going along with bleeding heart lefty rhetoric Or they've been misled by simple vote grabbing headlines and don't understand that immigrants are a proven economic boon to the UK. What have you actually seen for yourself Rob? There were nearly 1.5 million visas issued last year for entry into the UK. You do know a million is a really big number don't you? I wonder how much of what you've personally seen for yourself defines that 1.5 million people? Gbat " Rather presumptuous to assume which one of us is speaking, don’t you think? | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ..." | |||
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"Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering a country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened”. It’s pretty clear that those entering the country from Europe clearly do not fall into this category. Ergo, they are illegal. Starting a new life as a criminal doesn’t strike me as a great idea and unlikely to ingratiate you with the majority of the population. And here's a quote from the UN paper from October 2001, with further explanatory notes on that convention. This is item 2.3 28. "REFUGEES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN." It says a lot more, but it's a very long document. Here's a 1999 English court ruling on it. R v. Uxbridge Magistrates Court, ex parte Adimi [1999] Imm AR 560, United Kingdom The Divisional Court observed: ‘That Article 31 extends not merely to those ultimately accorded refugee status but also to those claiming asylum in good faith (presumptive refugees) is not in doubt. Nor is it disputed that Article 31's protection can apply equally to those using false documents as to those (characteristically the refugees of earlier times) who enter a country clandestinely.’ The law is one of the reasons that the current government have wasted millions of pounds in their failed Rwanda scheme. It's against the law. Gbat I agree that the law is an issue. Section 24 (1) (a) Immigration Act 1971 states: Entering (or attempting to enter) the United Kingdom without permission is a criminal offence. Section 2 Asylum & Immigration Act 2004 states: Failing to provide a passport or immigration document on entry to the United Kingdom is a criminal offence. The law is a mess. In 2003, the Labour Government was taken to court by a left-wing lawyer who demanded that benefits should be extended to illegal immigrants. He won and paved the way for the hundreds that arrive every day. Nice work, Sir Starmer. What would be interesting is the result of a referendum on illegal immigration. Bet that wouldn’t go the way your average Guardian reader would like, but it would be democratic. " There is no such thing as a left win lawyer. In the uk law has no party affiliation. It’s not America! | |||
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"OP, Tom, where are you from originally? I'm sure I read a post in which you said you emmigrated from outside the uk. It's not connected to the topic. It's just a point of interest. " No sure anyone cares but Tom has duel nationality | |||
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"Fleeing war torn France... Is Macron to blame here . They're trying to get to the UK because historically we welcomed refugees (still do, actually, though less so) whereas the French, with their long-standing commitment to economic malaise, have made it incredibly hard to seek asylum. Nothing to do with the free housing, free food, free healthcare and generous welfare and benefit system then ... We stayed at a hotel just outside Glasgow a few years ago which was occupied mainly by immigrants who are waiting to be housed. We were told by hotel staff we would need to get to breakfast early because they will take all the food. Sure enough we got our breakfast early, they would turn up at the buffet with bags and fill up with food and get flasks of coffee before minibuses would take them into Glasgow town centre, where apparently they would shoplift and try to sell the lifted items to the hotel staff. Obviously I can't say everyone coming over is doing the same but it was shocking to see first hand." Seen the same with buffet breakfasts but not immigrants! | |||
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"I wonder how many come over on the boat, stay for abit and think this is a shithole and try and get back to France on a boat. " A bit like trump's wall (which his contractors used undocumented mexican labour to build .) I imagine it being done and folks on his side trying to climb over and escape to Mexico. | |||
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"OP, Tom, where are you from originally? I'm sure I read a post in which you said you emmigrated from outside the uk. It's not connected to the topic. It's just a point of interest. No sure anyone cares but Tom has duel nationality"
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"I wonder how many come over on the boat, stay for abit and think this is a shithole and try and get back to France on a boat. " it has happened yes! | |||
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"I wonder how many come over on the boat, stay for abit and think this is a shithole and try and get back to France on a boat. A bit like trump's wall (which his contractors used undocumented mexican labour to build .) I imagine it being done and folks on his side trying to climb over and escape to Mexico." Poland is interesting, their wall is 186km long, 5.5m high, built with no EU funding and the only people critical are those unhappy with Poland imposing their own laws. Wonder why they felt the need to invest 353m euros? | |||
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"Rather presumptuous to assume which one of us is speaking, don’t you think?" I didn't make any assumptions. Your user name starts with Rob, I just used that as a shorter form, rather than typing it all out. A bit like Gbat, rather than Giving Bi A Try. I have no idea what your individual names are within the couple. If it's an issue and you want to ensure that people differentiate, just put your name at the end of a post. Easily done. Gbat | |||
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"I wonder how many come over on the boat, stay for abit and think this is a shithole and try and get back to France on a boat. it has happened yes!" Perhaps we could rotate the UK around a bit so instead of them landing in Dover they end up in Hull
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"Reports that Shamima Begum has lost the right to appeal. Could she just role up on a dinghy. What would happen then. Presumably be granted asylum" At least the UK would be be looking after it's own dirty laundry then. Gbat | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." Don't think the "migrants boost economies" is a valid argument if you look at the asylum seekers. The ones who have been granted asylum have an abysmal employment rate of 51% and even the ones who work earn much lower than national average. When people say migrants boost economy, they are talking about skilled immigrants who obviously need to have a job and a minimum salary. | |||
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"Most are economic migrants And not refugees Why are over 63% of them granted asylum then?" They know the rules... Convert to Christianity and claim persecution if they return being one | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." True but we are without homes and putting them in some atrocious situations. Where do the boats leave from...France. Get France to share the migration. War is never mentioned as to why they are escaping. We would be escaping if it was happening to us. | |||
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"Most are fleeing war torn Syria Yemen..horrific scenes are we denying them a safe place. If I was lying next to my crumbled home crumbled city covered in war and my family under the rubble I would escape. " The Uk has suppled a fair amount of weapons used to carry on those wars and kill people. Certainly in yemen. Wel ahev thr money.. no consequences tho please.  | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." See what I don't get is most pay for the crossing to gangs then want to work. Would it not me better to alow / help them get hear with there cash so they can fend for themselves and start work. Reducing the cost to the tax payer and filling jobs.. | |||
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"Anyone arriving in the UK illegally and in particularly without any documentation should never be allowed to step foot on a UK street. They should be held in a detention centre until their identity can be established and deported back to their home country. If that's not possible then Rawanda seems a good alternative to me. It would be good to get some big wins over the criminal gangs that facilitate this illegal trade in human misery. " How would you workout where they have come from. They are not gong to tell you. | |||
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" Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." Lol. Best comment of the week | |||
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" See what I don't get is most pay for the crossing to gangs then want to work. Would it not me better to alow / help them get hear with there cash so they can fend for themselves and start work. Reducing the cost to the tax payer and filling jobs.." If only it were as simlple. In some places where peole are fleejng frkm ther is no uk embassybor consulate.. if there is no waybto get out with your papers then you are stufred before you start. Let alone from a cojntry where yoh may be beingbpersecuted for political beliefs or sexual orientation. The UK gove dropped a ton of ex Afgan ally forces in the shit and stopped them coming here with papers /documents despite them having proof they can and ahould be offerd a safe place in the UK. | |||
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"Reports that over 500 boat people crossed the English Channel in one day last week. Is it time to replace the Border Force with Receptionists from GP surgeries. That way, nobody will get in..." | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." Got to call bullshit on this, spent 8 years working in the asylum sector, vast majority are single guys who object to paying taxes, and quite often hate the UK but know that our system is terrible and chance of deportation is miniscule. | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.. Got to call bullshit on this, spent 8 years working in the asylum sector, vast majority are single guys who object to paying taxes, and quite often hate the UK but know that our system is terrible and chance of deportation is miniscule. " Good to get first hand insight | |||
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"A fair whack? So of the thousands that are illegally entered this year. How many is a fair whack? Shouldn't we have the ability to assess the fair whack and choose if they add value now or in the future to our society? The. The fair whack and others that have good intentions and if needed should be legalised.. The others who offer no value now or in the future or have bad intentions should be ed out and each case assessed on its own merit. It could be that a fair whack are eligible. It may also be that a fair whack are not. " Totally agree the big problem seems to be getting rid of what you don't want.. | |||
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"We have a migrant hotel where I live I see very dark black men in new track suites white new trainers a free phone free bicycle given 3 meals a day in a 4 star hotel which is closed to UK citizens that is reality" Bloody cyclists, bet they jump red lights too. Have they got lights on these free bikes? I suppose the track suites are black as well! | |||
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"Which war in Africa are the fleeing tell me I'll look it up" “ Africa comes second in the number of armed conflicts per region with more than 35 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) taking place in Burkina Faso, Cameroon, the Central African Republic (CAR), the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Mozambique, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, South Sudan and Sudan. Several armed groups – fighting against government forces and/or against each other’s – are involved in these conflicts.” Amazing it just took 2 clicks | |||
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"Which war in Africa are the fleeing tell me I'll look it up" Curently there are 45 conflcts in Africa and the middle east... https://geneva-academy.ch/galleries/today-s-armed-conflicts | |||
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"We have a migrant hotel where I live I see very dark black men in new track suites white new trainers a free phone free bicycle given 3 meals a day in a 4 star hotel which is closed to UK citizens that is reality" Ditto, I live in an area with one such hotel and see groups of them all the time - young men, healthy, happy, well dressed, they're out at all times of day and often in the small hours, making lots of noise of course. When I see them in town, they'll typically be in sports shops or Starbucks, spending their handouts (little wonder big corporations are so in favour of mass migration, it's practically government funding for them). I've come to observe those who oppose what's happening to our country tend to be the ones who see and experience it's effects first hand. | |||
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"We have a migrant hotel where I live I see very dark black men in new track suites white new trainers a free phone free bicycle given 3 meals a day in a 4 star hotel which is closed to UK citizens that is reality Ditto, I live in an area with one such hotel and see groups of them all the time - young men, healthy, happy, well dressed, they're out at all times of day and often in the small hours, making lots of noise of course. When I see them in town, they'll typically be in sports shops or Starbucks, spending their handouts (little wonder big corporations are so in favour of mass migration, it's practically government funding for them). I've come to observe those who oppose what's happening to our country tend to be the ones who see and experience it's effects first hand." How very dare they?? They should b weeping and wailing in the gutter! | |||
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"We have a migrant hotel where I live I see very dark black men in new track suites white new trainers a free phone free bicycle given 3 meals a day in a 4 star hotel which is closed to UK citizens that is reality" How u know this u live in these hotels with them?? | |||
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"Just out of interest. Where exactly are the womenfolk?" Where they shd b tied to kitchen sink! | |||
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"Question ..if you were fleeing war how you react to escaping and grateful of people helping you after you lost everything because war just made you homeless" The key point there.. If you are fleeing war. | |||
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" When I see them in town, they'll typically be in sports shops or Starbucks, spending their handouts (little wonder big corporations are so in favour of mass migration, it's practically government funding for them)." What, splurging out their £50 a week? They must be buying sports kit one sock at a time then. Gbat | |||
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" When I see them in town, they'll typically be in sports shops or Starbucks, spending their handouts (little wonder big corporations are so in favour of mass migration, it's practically government funding for them). Nah, they ride their bikes to sports direct. What, splurging out their £50 a week? They must be buying sports kit one sock at a time then. Gbat " | |||
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" When I see them in town, they'll typically be in sports shops or Starbucks, spending their handouts (little wonder big corporations are so in favour of mass migration, it's practically government funding for them). Nah, they ride their bikes to sports direct. What, splurging out their £50 a week? They must be buying sports kit one sock at a time then. Gbat " Nah, they rode their bikes to sports direct | |||
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"I think they should be redirected to Scotland, they’d wish they’d hadn’t left their own country after all "lol | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.." You have no idea what my job is I can tell you most of the things you have just commented on are bulllshit Especially your first paragraph!! Instead of quoting the likes of various mainstream media and newspaper reports I suggest you find out some true facts first about the majority of people crossing the channel For your information I deal with people who want to work in the NHS using the legal route for employment in that sector as the background checks require legal information about them . | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.. You have no idea what my job is I can tell you most of the things you have just commented on are bulllshit Especially your first paragraph!! Instead of quoting the likes of various mainstream media and newspaper reports I suggest you find out some true facts first about the majority of people crossing the channel For your information I deal with people who want to work in the NHS using the legal route for employment in that sector as the background checks require legal information about them . " | |||
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"A fair whack of "the boat people" are willing and able to work in the NHS, including fully trained doctors and nurses fleeing war and persecution. It is of course morally reprehensible to demonise people willing to risk life and limb for the hope that they could live a lifestyle most of us would consider unliveable. But it's also really fucking stupid - migrants boost economies, they're a net economic gain for any country willing to take them in because they've already gotten through the economic drain bit of their lives and are usually ready to work from day one. The irony, of course, is that the loudest voices demonising these people are the economic drains at the other end, who seem intent on dragging the whole country down in an extraordinary display of generational scorched earth.. You have no idea what my job is I can tell you most of the things you have just commented on are bulllshit Especially your first paragraph!! Instead of quoting the likes of various mainstream media and newspaper reports I suggest you find out some true facts first about the majority of people crossing the channel For your information I deal with people who want to work in the NHS using the legal route for employment in that sector as the background checks require legal information about them . " "True facts"? What the fuck does that even mean? I don't know what your job is, and you don't know what my job is. This is a swinging site, not LinkedIn. Now tell me, what are the qualifications to work as a porter? Or a housekeeper, or a laundry assistant, or all the other unskilled jobs that keeps things moving? I have friends and colleagues who were refugees and absolutely did come here with nursing and medical training/experience, and a lot of these people speak very good English as well. But the service runs on tens of thousands of non-medical workers, of which we are in short supply, because the country is experiencing a general shortage of labour over the last 5 years or so (wanna guess fucking why?). Fucking "true facts".. the size of these brains coming out with this tripe will sink the country into the sea. S'pose that will finally fix the "boat people problem" - can't have a migrant if you don't have a country.. | |||
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"Do a economic migrant turns up with no paperwork or identify claiming to be a doctor and we hire him (no women on these boats) on that basis.. He might be a doctor of archaeology for all we know..." You might be three goats in a trenchcoat for all we know. Nobody has presented any evidence to the contrary. | |||
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