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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
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I will give some examples here, lets take 2 guys, one who gets in the gym and doesnt break a sweat, doesnt push himself, leaves, is that kind of going to see results? Not so much.
Then you take the other guy who is absolutely in the zone, just he is foaming at the mouthand, he grabs the 50s, 18 reps and he could never get 19 one more even as hard as he tries to ,he is going to get better results.
No. I am not saying that in between there isnt you know a range of also efficacious levels of intensity, of course, it is true, every set doenst have to be taken to absolutely complete muscular failure.
There is benefit in doing sets where you kind of go to a point of fatigue, where you say, okay that was enough.
I like to mostly train to failure where you feel fatigued after the workout. I do have days where I train with less intensity. I think that it is not good to always train hard and that there is a place for all the training style, but in my view most of the time one should train to failure where you can't complete one more rep,.it of course also depends what your goal is.
What is your view about it and how hard do you train, light, medium or hard, or a mix of it?  |
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I like to train consistently - just making sure I turn up to the gym is the key for me. I am getting to that age where my body can’t take every session being high intensity so long and slow wins the race for me. |
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By *olace50Man 42 weeks ago
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I train depending on what my situation is if I have a competition coming up then I will train 100% to exhaustion for say 8 weeks then tail of a week before, bust mostly I just do whatever feels right at the time I think it’s important to enjoy your training so it’s sustainable with little injuries or you can easily burn yourself out |
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I am not a gym goer. I have a toned body that if I want, I can get to a ‘ripped’ state by training a littler harder.
You should find your bodies limits and work to these. Pushing these limit can cause injuries and setbacks. Work without enhancers and gain natural muscle tone. For those who want to start any kink of exercise ask for help. I have seen people lose over 5, 10, 15 stone in weight just by walking daily
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The guy you believe is taking it easy is still adding extra exercise to his daily routine |
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By *929Man 42 weeks ago
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The second guy will get the far better results, research has shown that if we train to failure we get about 5 “effective” reps per set regardless if that set has 5 reps or 30 and these are the reps that actually signal the muscle to grow. If we leave 3 reps in reserve we only get 2 stimulating reps per set so by not training hard/to failure someone is definitely missing out on gains
Just need to look around the gym and see that those who don’t train hard never change, often years go by with zero change, I’m not talking advanced trainers here where they are near genetic limit and progress is inherently very slow, i mean those who are technically beginners who would grow fast if exposed to correct training
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I like to train consistently - just making sure I turn up to the gym is the key for me. I am getting to that age where my body can’t take every session being high intensity so long and slow wins the race for me."
That is good. I also like to train consistently too  |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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In the back of my mind I’m always keeping in mind that at my level, one miscalculation about my ability/endurance/strength more often results in an injury that will put back my overall goals.
Do I go as hard as I possibly can on any given day?
No, I go as hard as I need to reach my long term goal without risking a setback |
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How do I get buff without doing anything? I’m getting middle aged spread and injuries are preventing me running as I’ve always done. Swimming bores me and I’m done with cycling.
I can’t be arsed with the gym.
How do I go to bed one night and wake up looking ripped?
I can’t emphasise enough how little effort I’m prepared to put in. And how much gain I want. |
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"I will give some examples here, lets take 2 guys, one who gets in the gym and doesnt break a sweat, doesnt push himself, leaves, is that kind of going to see results? Not so much.
Then you take the other guy who is absolutely in the zone, just he is foaming at the mouthand, he grabs the 50s, 18 reps and he could never get 19 one more even as hard as he tries to ,he is going to get better results.
No. I am not saying that in between there isnt you know a range of also efficacious levels of intensity, of course, it is true, every set doenst have to be taken to absolutely complete muscular failure.
There is benefit in doing sets where you kind of go to a point of fatigue, where you say, okay that was enough.
I like to mostly train to failure where you feel fatigued after the workout. I do have days where I train with less intensity. I think that it is not good to always train hard and that there is a place for all the training style, but in my view most of the time one should train to failure where you can't complete one more rep,.it of course also depends what your goal is.
What is your view about it and how hard do you train, light, medium or hard, or a mix of it? "
Have you read Mike Metzners take on it that you only need to do one set of everything to get good results not lots of sets. |
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Working sets are max effort. If that’s max reps in a minute then it’s flat out. If it’s reps at a certain weight, same.
I try to match my training as close to competition as possible. For days that I’m feeling run down I’ll adjust and maybe work on speed that session |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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40mins max for me I’ll be hurting by then get the pump go a little longer then done get out there and grow haha
A lot I see in the gym don’t train correctly and never change . Max ot routine works for me |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
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"The second guy will get the far better results, research has shown that if we train to failure we get about 5 “effective” reps per set regardless if that set has 5 reps or 30 and these are the reps that actually signal the muscle to grow. If we leave 3 reps in reserve we only get 2 stimulating reps per set so by not training hard/to failure someone is definitely missing out on gains
Just need to look around the gym and see that those who don’t train hard never change, often years go by with zero change, I’m not talking advanced trainers here where they are near genetic limit and progress is inherently very slow, i mean those who are technically beginners who would grow fast if exposed to correct training
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You are right there, the second guy will get better results too |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
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I am not a gym goer. I have a toned body that if I want, I can get to a ‘ripped’ state by training a littler harder.
You should find your bodies limits and work to these. Pushing these limit can cause injuries and setbacks. Work without enhancers and gain natural muscle tone. For those who want to start any kink of exercise ask for help. I have seen people lose over 5, 10, 15 stone in weight just by walking daily
O.P.
The guy you believe is taking it easy is still adding extra exercise to his daily routine"
That is good and you are right there, that guy is also adding extra exercise to his daily routine too |
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I walk the hills, about three hours a day, almost every day and in all weathers. Am I gym fit, no. Can I walk thirty miles in a day, free range with a back pack, yes. There are different types of fitness so I don't know where I fit in. |
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"I will give some examples here, lets take 2 guys, one who gets in the gym and doesnt break a sweat, doesnt push himself, leaves, is that kind of going to see results? Not so much.
Then you take the other guy who is absolutely in the zone, just he is foaming at the mouthand, he grabs the 50s, 18 reps and he could never get 19 one more even as hard as he tries to ,he is going to get better results.
No. I am not saying that in between there isnt you know a range of also efficacious levels of intensity, of course, it is true, every set doenst have to be taken to absolutely complete muscular failure.
There is benefit in doing sets where you kind of go to a point of fatigue, where you say, okay that was enough.
I like to mostly train to failure where you feel fatigued after the workout. I do have days where I train with less intensity. I think that it is not good to always train hard and that there is a place for all the training style, but in my view most of the time one should train to failure where you can't complete one more rep,.it of course also depends what your goal is.
What is your view about it and how hard do you train, light, medium or hard, or a mix of it? "
50 shades of whey to much protein.
Do you even lift bro!? |
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I train for my body and mind. I change my goals from time to time and have new programmes about every 12 weeks. I enjoy really listening to my body and enjoying what I need, including lots of training to failure, which is usually at 12 reps per set. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I mix it up, Generally about 80% to 90%, I don’t wanna be mentally or physically knackered & spoil the rest of the day, Training isn’t the goal, It helps the goal"
That is good. I also like to mix up my workouts too |
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By *r_reusMan 42 weeks ago
Coventry |
How much training is needed for optimal results will vary from person to person, but if you leave your workouts red faced and your clothes wet from sweat, you can at least be sure that you didn't UNDER do it.
I'd probably have a much better physique if I didn't like eating so much, but I do. |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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I very rarely train to failure on compound lifts as I don't really see the value of it. Any isolation exercises based on hypertrophy, I'm more than happy to go to failure, however, I will say that I need to get better at what my mind thinks is failure and what what my body thinks is failure as I have been guilty of leaving reps in the tank. |
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By *r_reusMan 42 weeks ago
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"I very rarely train to failure on compound lifts as I don't really see the value of it. Any isolation exercises based on hypertrophy, I'm more than happy to go to failure, however, I will say that I need to get better at what my mind thinks is failure and what what my body thinks is failure as I have been guilty of leaving reps in the tank."
I say Leg Extensions are the most painful exercise to take to failure, in fact, I reckon almost everyone doing them will quit from the pain before they do their quads inability to contract. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"As hard as your regime requires you to.
We can generally train harder that we think we can. It's (nearly) always worth turning up and cranking a workout out. "
Yes, you are right there, as hard as your regime requires you too and yes, we generally can train harder as well |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 42 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I will give some examples here, lets take 2 guys, one who gets in the gym and doesnt break a sweat, doesnt push himself, leaves, is that kind of going to see results? Not so much.
Then you take the other guy who is absolutely in the zone, just he is foaming at the mouthand, he grabs the 50s, 18 reps and he could never get 19 one more even as hard as he tries to ,he is going to get better results.
No. I am not saying that in between there isnt you know a range of also efficacious levels of intensity, of course, it is true, every set doenst have to be taken to absolutely complete muscular failure.
There is benefit in doing sets where you kind of go to a point of fatigue, where you say, okay that was enough.
I like to mostly train to failure where you feel fatigued after the workout. I do have days where I train with less intensity. I think that it is not good to always train hard and that there is a place for all the training style, but in my view most of the time one should train to failure where you can't complete one more rep,.it of course also depends what your goal is.
What is your view about it and how hard do you train, light, medium or hard, or a mix of it?
Have you read Mike Metzners take on it that you only need to do one set of everything to get good results not lots of sets. "
Yes. I have heard of mike mentzers take on it with one set of everything, that is also a good training style too |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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"I very rarely train to failure on compound lifts as I don't really see the value of it. Any isolation exercises based on hypertrophy, I'm more than happy to go to failure, however, I will say that I need to get better at what my mind thinks is failure and what what my body thinks is failure as I have been guilty of leaving reps in the tank.
I say Leg Extensions are the most painful exercise to take to failure, in fact, I reckon almost everyone doing them will quit from the pain before they do their quads inability to contract."
Have you tried brazilian split squats until failure before? |
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I (he) don't train or infact do anything anymore but my mantra was always do the last rep you don't think you can.
I'm currently at a point in life that I've realised I shouldn't have stopped. I'm in a pretty bad place physically and desperately need to revert to my old ways! |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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I do 3 different excerises per muscle group for 3 sets, I always try to go to failure or at least near failure on the 2nd and 3rd set for at least 2 out of the 3 of the excercises I do. When I feel I hit failure I'll try to squeeze in a few partials until I can't move anymore, I stop if my form starts to drop. |
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By *ickawitchCouple 42 weeks ago
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It depends what you’re training for . Personally I train for mental health as well as physical. So I push myself as hard as I can in the allotted time . Boot camp/ amrap/ circuit etc 2hrs Monday to Friday ontop of sparing twice a week. But I wouldn’t recommend it to most people. It can be a bit much for a lot of folks |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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Id say it depends what your training for. Theres gonna be a big difference for someone who goes for mental health, to help with anxiety or adhd etc to someone whos competing etc.
I go just to sort my head out, so aim to go 2-3 times a week to do weights and I just do what I can. Though get out daily walking and getting my steps in. |
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I'm a bit fucked at the moment.
At just 47 years of age, I have arthritis in my hip and shoulder.
So I can't run, play football or do any sort of impact sports.
The arthritis in my shoulder prevents me from doing any pressups or bench press work.
I've gone from being athletic to couch potato. I've gone from 82kg to 88kg.
I'm stuck and don't know what sort of exercise I can take up.
Buy a cycling machine I guess!
Any suggestions welcome
Thank you xx |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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Hope it’s ok for a woman to join in! Menopausal 57 yo woman here! Daily mixed home workouts 60-90 mins/day - indoor cardio walking, abs, strength training 3-4 times a week (recommended to guard against osteoporosis) and pole fit (great core work) once a week. No HIIT as not good for menopause apparently! Is this too much?? Not good with rest days but exercise is medium intensity so figure it’s ok. Better shape now than 20 years ago and heart healthy. |
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By *ickawitchCouple 42 weeks ago
Away with the fairies (Liverpool to you) |
"I'm a bit fucked at the moment.
At just 47 years of age, I have arthritis in my hip and shoulder.
So I can't run, play football or do any sort of impact sports.
The arthritis in my shoulder prevents me from doing any pressups or bench press work.
I've gone from being athletic to couch potato. I've gone from 82kg to 88kg.
I'm stuck and don't know what sort of exercise I can take up.
Buy a cycling machine I guess!
Any suggestions welcome
Thank you xx"
I’d recommend starting with swimming. I’m riddled with arthritis as well. The army medic told to never stop or I’ll seize up . That’s why I still box , jog at least 5k every couple of weeks and hit the gym every day . I’m terrified that I’ll end up walking with a zimmerframe if I do . I’m 56 now and hurting all over but if I stop I might STOP |
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"Hope it’s ok for a woman to join in! Menopausal 57 yo woman here! Daily mixed home workouts 60-90 mins/day - indoor cardio walking, abs, strength training 3-4 times a week (recommended to guard against osteoporosis) and pole fit (great core work) once a week. No HIIT as not good for menopause apparently! Is this too much?? Not good with rest days but exercise is medium intensity so figure it’s ok. Better shape now than 20 years ago and heart healthy. "
Why is HIIT not good for menopause? |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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I train to a medium intensity with weights. Full body 10/12 rep range with a little left in the tank. I lift with the primary goal of injury prevention.
I train martial arts with full contact sparring. Boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I spar against all weight classes. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu will sometimes be at 100% so my body will take too much of a beating to train at a high intensity in the weight room. I’m also as I’ve gotten older training around an injury. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 41 weeks ago
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"No idea but every article I read says avoid HIIT and go for strength training, Pilates and yoga instead! "
Yes, it is hard to know and yes. I think that mixing it up is the best thing, with different days with hard, medium and light training, yoga is good. I do that everyday too |
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