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What should illegal immigrants be entitled to?
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"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada. " What about bread and water??? | |||
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"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada. What about bread and water??? " unless they can pay for it nope, if they are illegal they shouldn't be here, if they weren't here we wouldn't need to give em bread or water, this doesnt apply to genuine cases, just the illegals | |||
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"My hubby's company had a foreign driver in the other day, foreigners found in the trailer, immigration came out, there were 2 adults and a child in the back, the child was so nervous she literally wet herself, bread and water to the child, but the adults I say know exactly what they are doing." nah im going to sofen up on this one, any child should be put into the care of social services and treat the same as any other child, warm bed, clean clothes and 3 meals a day, till they are sorted to go home | |||
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"nah im going to sofen up on this one, any child should be put into the care of social services and treat the same as any other child, warm bed, clean clothes and 3 meals a day, till they are sorted to go home" I understand and fully appreciate the sentiment behind you saying this, but if it became common knowledge that IF you enter the UK illegally then automatically what happens is that you are refused entry, no food/water, and instantly deported then perhaps it would slow the flood of illegal attempts to enter the country? I would NEVER want a child to suffer, but the first responsibilty for that child is the parents, if they choose to ignore it should we pay for their arrogance/ignorance? no easy answer,  | |||
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"nah im going to sofen up on this one, any child should be put into the care of social services and treat the same as any other child, warm bed, clean clothes and 3 meals a day, till they are sorted to go home I understand and fully appreciate the sentiment behind you saying this, but if it became common knowledge that IF you enter the UK illegally then automatically what happens is that you are refused entry, no food/water, and instantly deported then perhaps it would slow the flood of illegal attempts to enter the country? I would NEVER want a child to suffer, but the first responsibilty for that child is the parents, if they choose to ignore it should we pay for their arrogance/ignorance? no easy answer, "but a lot of parents in this country choose to ignor their responsibilitys and child are put into care, we also foot the bill for that, children should never be made to suffer because of their parents mistakes no matter where they come from, and of course what you have to remember is a lot of people that come into this country are running away from really hard lifes, im not saying that its ok to run here but what i am saying is they believe they are offering their children a better life not ignoring their responsibilitys, if you lived in a country where you feared for your lifes, had no food etc how far would you go to protect your children? Im not saying open the doors and let them in because at the end of the day we cant afford them but i do feel for some of them when they feel its the only option they have, and regardless the children should never suffer  | |||
"Well children shouldn’t suffer but unfortunately they do in many places in the world. Prob lies is some of these buggers sneaking in know we have a heart and use that for a leg up and so bring kids with them on purpose!!! So kids stay and parents get deported? Or both? " they should stay together either way | |||
"Well children shouldn’t suffer but unfortunately they do in many places in the world. Prob lies is some of these buggers sneaking in know we have a heart and use that for a leg up and so bring kids with them on purpose!!! So kids stay and parents get deported? Or both? they should stay together either way" Well give em an xmas dinner and put them on a coach on the 26th then i think. | |||
" but a lot of parents in this country choose to ignor their responsibilitys and child are put into care, we also foot the bill for that, children should never be made to suffer because of their parents mistakes no matter where they come from, and of course what you have to remember is a lot of people that come into this country are running away from really hard lifes, im not saying that its ok to run here but what i am saying is they believe they are offering their children a better life not ignoring their responsibilitys, if you lived in a country where you feared for your lifes, had no food etc how far would you go to protect your children? Im not saying open the doors and let them in because at the end of the day we cant afford them but i do feel for some of them when they feel its the only option they have, and regardless the children should never suffer "I understand, and I agree, bad parents in this country should not be absolved of their responsibilities either, and you are right, the child shouldn't suffer, but if it continues the way it is, then the temptation for some is too great to resist, ( the reward of getting into the UK is obvious, the penalty is currently free food/ accomodation/while you use free lawyers to argue asylum for perhaps 3 years while you and I pay for it all ) IF the penalties were more severe/barbaric even, perhaps fewer will attempt it, therefore fewer will end up in the situation in the first place. I wish there was an easy answer, but there simply isnt | |||
" I wish there was an easy answer, but there simply isnt "you right there isn't, its just one of them things that makes your blood boil on one hand but the compassion in you cant help but sneak out | |||
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"Maybe the same rights and benefits we would get in there Country of origin!! The English like to be fair [or seen to be]" I see where your coming from and that would be very fair, but wouldn't solve the problem, many would continue to enter and work illegally and be less likely to risk rejection by going through the legal immigration system as there are no benefits to them in doing so. We need to discourage illegal entry and encourage applications, applications can be refused to undesireables but encourage those we need to emmigrate here and we do need certain people to come to Britain. | |||
 he goes back to his country of origin for holidays now... still hasn't managed to explain that one fully to me. | |||
"Maybe the same rights and benefits we would get in there Country of origin!! The English like to be fair [or seen to be]" Indeed, exactly what they would get in their own country of origin. If they can get a free; house, money, health care (A&E free), Education, they can get help with them here. This would give them what they would have got at their home country, but live in a much more tolerant, openish, safer country. I think that would end a lot of the economic migrants masquerading as asylum seekers. Oh and if they can't prove who they are or where they are from, they get the benefits of the country with the least benefits... | |||
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"I like a lot of your ideas Jedandsasha, to be honest the only thing that really riles me about all of this is the fact these people have more rights than we do ! Having been in the position of needing help myself (won't go into details) and finding it just doesn't exist then hearing stories of people illegally entering MY country and being given a safe environment, housing, money, etc etc it makes my blood boil...........xx xx"thats the one that always gets me, as i said in a earlier post my sister split from her hubby and because the council wouldnt re home her she moved in with me, now at the time there was me, my husband who i was then living with and our 3 children, in a 3 bedroomed house, she moved in with her 3 children so there was 3 adults and 6 kids in one 3 bedroomed house, in our area there is a lot of immigrants and when i say a lot i mean you walk round asda and noone speaks english in ther anymore lol yet they are given housing and they wouldnt put 9 of them in one 3 bedroomed house either as that would be classed as over crouded, yet they was happy to leave us all like that, English people who had worked all our adult lifes and paid into the country, while she saved for a deposit for a private house How can that possibly be right? | |||
"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada. " Too polite - fuck all...but me thinks the OP is just looking to start trouble here ... oh well!!  | |||
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"Something we should remember. Many imigrants in the UK are Irish, Many are Indian, there are others, New Zealanders, Austrailians, Canadians, Polish and so on. People from these countries died in thier thousands defending Great Britain, the Polish were the very first nation ever to come to the aid of Britain in a time of war. Indians especially Sikhs fought and died at Monte Casino side by side with the British Army, the Polish Brigade, a Canadian Battalion and many more nations there to help the people of Britain. I don't think there has ever been a war in which there were not Irish Regiments made up of Irishmen from the South fighting for Britain. Who decides who has a right to live and work in this country, should we deny the right to the people who are willing to die for us ?" humm not really sure you can use that for an argument, if your saying we should let certain people in because in years gone by their ancestors have defended us does that mean we put a big 'fuck of Germans' sign on the door? lol They've never dont bugger all for us but does that mean we treat them any differently? | |||
But what country opens its flood gates and lets us in and supports us for free? | |||
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"ok sprite, point taken and throughout my posts I have supported the immigrants and especially the genuine asylum seekers, but, illegal immigrants are in this country illegal and have broken our laws, should they not be treated like lawbreakers, if they choose to put thier families in this position should they not pay the price ? Or should they have followed the correct procedure and applied to come into the country with a valid visa before arriving here and breaking the law ? Should they get different rights to those that live here legally but break the law and not be confined ? The other post mentionin Britains immigration system during WW2 How many people realise that almost all Ukranians currently living in Britain are here because Britain allowed a whole Battalion of Ukranian SS soldiers to come here after the war, it was felt that deporting them to Russia would mean sending them to thier deaths, allowing them to stay in the Ukraine where they had committed many atrocities on thie rown people for the German Nazi party that recruited them would have meant they would be killed, so we took them in as Asylum seekers "my point, in part, was that many many ayslum seekers are treated in the same way as illegal immigrants and held in removal centres until their claims are processed. Are we saying everyone of these has committed a crime..have the children committed crimes ? yet they are held in prison like conditions. jed, you yourself said in your well written post that you hoped those geuninely seeking asylum would be treated with compassion and differently from those who are deliberately trying to exploit the system ( i'm having to paraphrase here ) but the reality is we dont really ...not in the majority of cases, and in my eyes thats wrong and there should be that distinction . i did say i didnt expect my views to be in the majority lol | |||
"First of all I'd ask them and if they didn't tell me, I'd send them to France. Nothing could be worse than that, they'll soon confess and plead to go back home. "The French would just 'lose' them and they'd be back over in a couple of days. | |||
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"and i thought we lived in a cristian society" Hah! | |||
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"Give them sweet F A....We cant even look after our own in this country!!!" this is the bit that always gets me, even in this day and age there are abused and neglected children roaming the streets, living on the streets at times, mentally ill people with no support because the goverment closed most of the mental care homes down in the 80s/90s, people being evicated because they cant afford their bills anymore and whole familys being forced to live in 1 room hostels surely to god before we help out other countries people who live in hard conditions we should be looking after our own, instead of housing people from other countries how about re housing the thousand that live on the streets here? before we put money into the pockets of immigrants how about we put it back into the sytem, that obviuosly dont work and needs help, to help the children here whos calls for help are being ignored because of under founding of the social services, the list of help we need over here is endless, and i just cant justify spending money on people from other countries in any way till our own problems are sorted sorry if that sounds heartless but its just the way i feel | |||
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"and i thought we lived in a cristian society" erm, i think we live in a society that has christians in it. People dont have to be christians to be seen as good people. im personally agnostic. And im glad that someone took the time to clarify that Illegal immigrants are not the same as asylum seekers. what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living? | |||
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"If they arrive at the ports on the south coast (as the vast majority do) then they should be sent straight back to where they've come from, FRANCE! We lived in France for the past 5 years and our neighbours said the UK is a Soft touch. In France, if you want anything from the state you have to read write and speak French. No ifs, no buts, learn or starve! If you don't like it, the UK is "That way" " As you rightly say the French won't tolerate a lot of the stuff the UK put up with but that just encourages illegal immigrants to try to get back across the channel. Remember Sangatte 'refugee' camp? | |||
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"..........what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living?" Give them free internet access and get them on sites like this. | |||
" what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living?" ah now thats a totally different subject to which id be more than give my opinion about
but i think we should stick to the topic lol | |||
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"well thats a good statement coming from someone who has chosen to be on the site but has a sanctimonious attitude about it??? wee split personality there jim??? "You're confusing someone who refuses to work for a living with someone who no longer needs to | |||
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"I would go to the end of the earth to give my kids a better life. The people that come in put something back into society can stay the ones who take the piss which a lot do can go home. Saying that i think they should close the borders and let England breath again. Too much strain on resources and we can't cope." I agree totally here. some of you need to put your selves in other people shoes for once grrrrrrr | |||
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Oh! p.s being self employed is always a bonus! | |||
"Thinking about actually what illegal immigrants should expect from the UK to support them while they are in the country. Do you think they should be entitled to medical care, legal help, bank accounts, driving licences, housing, education, financial assistance or privacy? What would you allow them? A SODDING BOAT BACK FECKING OME!!!!! "  | |||
"I'm not suggesting for one minute that all members are unemployed. Some folks do seem to be on the site rather a lot. The joys of modern technology,wireless internet an laptops hehe... Oh! p.s being self employed is always a bonus!"Retirement has much to commend it too. | |||
"I would go to the end of the earth to give my kids a better life. The people that come in put something back into society can stay the ones who take the piss which a lot do can go home. Saying that i think they should close the borders and let England breath again. Too much strain on resources and we can't cope. I agree totally here. some of you need to put your selves in other people shoes for once grrrrrrr " yes i also agree but we simply cant let everyone in who wants a better life, if they keep letting people in at this rate there will be no jobs for our kids to go to in the future and it will be us who are looking else where to live, its ok being compassionate but what about our children, we have to look to the future for them and they need decent homes and job and there will simply be none left at this rate, its already hard enough for young people to get good jobs and afford decent housing think what it would be like in 30 years time if we just let anyone in which a hard life story and a child, ask yourself whos futures more important your child or theirs? | |||
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"The hospitals are over run, schools are over run, police over stretched. Enoch Powell was spot on in what he said." *run for the hills* lmao | |||
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"Thinking about actually what illegal immigrants should expect from the UK to support them while they are in the country. Do you think they should be entitled to medical care, legal help, bank accounts, driving licences, housing, education, financial assistance or privacy? What would you allow them? " What is it you think 'illegal immigrants' are currently given? | |||
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"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question .................. Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ? The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ? x x"Does it have to be someones fault?... | |||
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"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question .................. Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ? The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ? x x
Does it have to be someones fault?... "If you want someone to blame for todays dilemma's....then you should blame every single government the british people have voted for since 1945...and the good news is....you cant change a thing about it.... | |||
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"SOME and i emphasise some of our unemployed arent willing to work for the national minimum wage in some of the industries ie farming (tattie howking) or fish gutting or other hard work so the economic migrants come and do those jobs that we wont do. the welfare state has shot itself in the foot here why work 40 hrs a wk to pay rent council tax etc when u can stay at home and get them paid?? there are some genuine asylum seekers who have been persecuted in their own country and who want to work, settle in british life etc but they get the name of the miniority who are here for devious reasons. its the never ending arguement who decides who stays who decides who goes? xx" those migrants that come here to work in the fields all day for very very low wages will not do that from the age of 18 untill they are 65 they will want to better themselves and they are able to do that because there not STUPID just because they work in the fields some have very prostigious quallifications and as soon as possible want to move up the ladder so when your at your desk in your airconditioned office tapping away at your computer doing a bit of grafic designing at 40 or 60 K per year be very carefull to look over your shoulder at the new boy at the desk opposite , because he will be doing your job for half the wages and then look through the window into your bosses office and watch him shuffling papers as he wonders how he can get shot of YOU it is a myth that low paid workers benifit the system , because they still quallify for NHS , hospital and dentist treatment , and there children have to be educated at great expense as they dont speak english and need special treatment also even though they are on very low wages , they send as much as possible to there relatives in there country of origin the only person to benifit is the person that employs them | |||
"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question .................. Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ? The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ? x x"in answer to this question , it is the point i was trying to make earlier slowly over time people change there way of thinking about things for example a few hundred years ago badger bateing , or bear bateing was not frowned upon at all , but now its banned , as is fox hunting , or hare coursing things change over time as the way the majority of people think and feel now the consencus of opinion is that school kids cant go on a coach trip with meat in there sandwitches , and the nativity is disscontinued , you have to be carefull to say CHALK board when you say OUR laws have been bent or changed , you have to remember that they are also the laws of the now settled migrants ( be they legal or not ) you only need look in the houses of paliament , or the house of lords , or indeed the local councils etc , to see many many of them are , multicultural so it might be a hard pill to swallow , but those people that are " different " as you called them are in fact ......... US ... you and me theres no such thing anymore as a ( british ) person they dont exist anymore it seems to have just crept up on us , even though there was very famous speech made many years ago where we were warned there should be a great feeling of foreboding but nobody listened there have been things in other recent threads where people have said how wonderfull it is being in a multicultural society and at school swopping a corned beef sandwitch for an onion badgee ......... how jolly well now were just going to have to like it or lump it im afraid | |||
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"aye im sure there a que o people waiting for ma job all wearing the turban and speaking whatever language......... as for bettering themselves do we not all do that?? left school at 17 to go into factory redundancy courtesy of mr blair into next job self employed taxi driver working all hours for sod all went to college worked 5 jobs to pay for it left there worked in care for a while more pay more stress went to uni and so the story continues everyone whether they immigrant asylum seeker or british wants to better themselves! im white british so its ok???? i dont dispute british traditions are dyin off but some of them had to! and our school does nativity and harvest festival but also dwahli excuse spelling. nice to see alf garnet lives on in that good old british tradition!! "if you read what i wrote , i did not say it was wrong that a migrant should better themself , i was merely pointing out that they WILL better themself AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM it was in response to someone saying that they come here to do mundane jobs and that is comprehensively not the case the thrust of my arguement was that after working for many years in low paid , dangerous and filthy conditions , i had seen my situation improve with the advent of the 40 hour week ............... safety equiptment etc etc now that is eroded with the influx of imigrants who will work 70 hours a week in the cold with no safety gear etc and at night sleep in a telephone box nothing i have said can remotely asocciate me with ALF GARNET as i have neither said if it is a good thing we have a multicultural society or not i have merely been pointing out the facts as i see them i dont doubt for one minute they have a nativity in say the orkney islands , and even in most other parts of the highlands , but thats now you wont have them in ten years time when you are as multicultural as we are down south | |||
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"Ship them back as soon as they come through the uk ports if they are illegal. Asylum should be sort in the first westerns country not after going through 3 or 4 to get to England." I do agree with this, but just think a minute! All that will happen is one of the other EU countries will give them asylum and that would make them eligible to travel here legally!! What we really need to do is scrap the current benefits system and make it that you can't get full benefits unless you have worked in the UK for at least two years, unless you are legitimately out of work and were born here!! That would sort the Chavs out too!! | |||
"If they arrive at the ports on the south coast (as the vast majority do) then they should be sent straight back to where they've come from, FRANCE! We lived in France for the past 5 years and our neighbours said the UK is a Soft touch. In France, if you want anything from the state you have to read write and speak French. No ifs, no buts, learn or starve! If you don't like it, the UK is "That way" " Sorry but that's simply not correct, illegal immigrants in France are not starved or denied medical assistance if they cannot speak French. | |||
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"Who cares......if they take from the system....everybody else does, and the excuse of paying into the system for ten years then taking out for thirty....really doesnt wash.... "and what about paying in a reciveing nothing as a lot of people are in this sit ,do like the french do give them nothing this country should wake up | |||
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"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?" We have Polish round here but they are legal and will do any job. Also got Somalians who are thieving and causing problems but they are illegals. And the work shy who wont get up in the morning apart to sign on. I would have the Poles out of those three any day. | |||
"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?" Why not send our native british scroungers to a remote island and import people who would work for a living....The falkland islands are fairly empty..... | |||
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"most sense iv ever heard from you martin!! obviously needs to be the work shy and not the people who cant work through illness/disability xx" Sorry if id known i was talking sense, id have written something else...
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"yeah im worried about u??? u ok?? u making sense is very worryin?? is that you?? or has someone hacked your account... "Ok you caught me...im a hacker...my name is Vladimir Rostovossky.....i live in Siberia...wanna meet?.... | |||
"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?" Ya swop em for someone who wants to work for a living most brits dont want to work just have 10 kids and live in a 5 bed council house. And have 2 holidays a year lazy sods | |||
