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" As for being offended by people being offended? Well, there you go. Gbat. " Nobody is offended by anyone being offended what a stupid way of putting it we just don’t want to hear it as truly don’t fucking care if a few words offended someone | |||
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"we just don’t want to hear it as truly don’t fucking care if a few words offended someone " No surprises there! But for a lot of people, words are really hurtful. And of course, words are only the start. It sometimes ends somewhere very different. Seems my words hit a nerve with you or are you angry about something else? Gbat. | |||
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""wokeness" is an awareness of social injustice. If you think social injustice is necessary for a stable society and trying to resolve it threatens that stability, you'll think it's bad. If you think social injustice should be resolved in the pursuit of a more free and equal society, you'll think it's good. It's as simple as that really - a new word co-opted to fight the same old battle." Spot on. . Before the word "woke" arose, the words "political correctness" were used to mean almost the same thing. The same people who moaned about "PC" back then are the same people moaning about "woke" today. . The danger is, the culture wars of modern times have pushed a narrative that the reason the anti-woke brigade are so marginalised is because of wokeism. The answer of course is closer to home. The anti-woke brigade marginalise themselves, because of the company they keep and the views they espouse. | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. " How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat " They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. " The majority of voters actually voted for Clinton. But it's EC votes that determine the winner in the US. | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. The majority of voters actually voted for Clinton. But it's EC votes that determine the winner in the US." I do believe the EC cast their votes based on the outcome of votes in a given state, don’t hold me to that though. | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. The majority of voters actually voted for Clinton. But it's EC votes that determine the winner in the US. I do believe the EC cast their votes based on the outcome of votes in a given state, don’t hold me to that though. " Yep, I know how the EC works, but nationally he didn't win the majority of votes. Obviously doesn't matter in the US system (or ours), but all I was saying was you can't say the "silent majority" swept him to power when he didn't win majority of popular vote... | |||
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"They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. " I would say that if they cast a vote they’re no longer being silent! I always think of the silent majority as that huge group of people who don’t vote. They stay silent! And do “they” usually vote for such a party? Which parties are you thinking about? Are you just thinking UK and USA or wider? Which party is “clamping down” on wokeness? What does that look like? A ban on demonstrations? A reduction in the freedom of speech? What? Gbat | |||
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" ….. an incredible insight into the penises I don't want anywhere near me and I am grateful for that. " Are they penises that generally point Left of generally point Right? Or is it not about penis orientation at all? Gbat (Left pointing penis) | |||
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"I don't know about society as a whole but these threads give me an incredible insight into the penises I don't want anywhere near me and I am grateful for that.
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. The majority of voters actually voted for Clinton. But it's EC votes that determine the winner in the US. I do believe the EC cast their votes based on the outcome of votes in a given state, don’t hold me to that though. Yep, I know how the EC works, but nationally he didn't win the majority of votes. Obviously doesn't matter in the US system (or ours), but all I was saying was you can't say the "silent majority" swept him to power when he didn't win majority of popular vote... " I keep seeing this come up, the “popular vote” is irrelevant, it’s the actual votes that count and got him into power. I’m certainly no fan of Trump or US politics, but popular votes didn’t translate into real votes for Hilary in the end. I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. | |||
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"and increased resentment amongst the silent majority. How could you know that? The silent majority are well, ….. silent. You have no idea what they think or what they resent. Sometimes people believe the silent majority must surely think like they do, but how would you know? They’re silent!!! Gbat They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. A good example of that is Trump’s election in the US, it was the silent majority that swept in him. The majority of voters actually voted for Clinton. But it's EC votes that determine the winner in the US. I do believe the EC cast their votes based on the outcome of votes in a given state, don’t hold me to that though. Yep, I know how the EC works, but nationally he didn't win the majority of votes. Obviously doesn't matter in the US system (or ours), but all I was saying was you can't say the "silent majority" swept him to power when he didn't win majority of popular vote... I keep seeing this come up, the “popular vote” is irrelevant, it’s the actual votes that count and got him into power. I’m certainly no fan of Trump or US politics, but popular votes didn’t translate into real votes for Hilary in the end. I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. " I know it's irrelevant. I said that. He won the election fair and square. But more people voted for Clinton than Trump. That's just a fact. I was just saying you can't claim a majority (silent or otherwise) voted for him when they didn't. | |||
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"They’ll usually end up taking their frustration out at the ballot box and vote for the party that promises to “clamp down” on wokeness. I would say that if they cast a vote they’re no longer being silent! I always think of the silent majority as that huge group of people who don’t vote. They stay silent! And do “they” usually vote for such a party? Which parties are you thinking about? Are you just thinking UK and USA or wider? Which party is “clamping down” on wokeness? What does that look like? A ban on demonstrations? A reduction in the freedom of speech? What? Gbat " The silent majority (term coined by Nixon in the late 60’s to describe people not involved in protests or counter-culture of the Vietnam war) and he used to it ferment support for his political campaign. I think now, the term has some relevance in that it’s used to describe those who don’t want to air their views or don’t see themselves as part of whichever movement is currently going (similar to Nixon’s era). I get though what you’re saying, and I’m focusing squarely on the UK (despite the obvious US influence) here, but by voting their not being silent, but that’s exactly what the silent majority is about, they’re not on the streets protesting or getting involved with day-to-day part. Now, there has been the Tories with the whole “end Wokeness” nonsense recently, they’re a major party, there’s also fringe parties such as Reform etc who do come out with it as well. I honestly couldn’t tell you what a clamp down on it would actually look like, but for all intents I’d rather they didn’t and just let people voice their opinions and views, debate etc as is the flagstone of any democratic nation but hey ho, wishful thinking in this day and age. | |||
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"I'm 59 and haven't a clue what woke or any of these words like gammon mean. Someone come round my house and take time to explain it with me gets my vote" On my way. I might be a while though. Put the kettle on in the meantime. Gbat (I can explain what’s generally meant by these terms if you want me to). | |||
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"I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. " It also doesn't help that Hilary Clinton looks like a psychopathic hamster with the personality of Joffrey Baratheon either? | |||
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"What is that you mean by wokeness? I think the term is often thrown around as if it’s an insult, but a lot of people are happy to be seen as considerate of other people’s feelings and willing to make a few easy changes to accommodate other people. As for being offended by people being offended? Well, there you go. Gbat. " Very well put. | |||
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"I'm 59 and haven't a clue what woke or any of these words like gammon mean. Someone come round my house and take time to explain it with me gets my vote On my way. I might be a while though. Put the kettle on in the meantime. Gbat (I can explain what’s generally meant by these terms if you want me to). " I will put my Russel hobby Emma bridgehouse kettle on and await your explanation | |||
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"I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. It also doesn't help that Hilary Clinton looks like a psychopathic hamster with the personality of Joffrey Baratheon either?" What does her appearance have to do with anything? | |||
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"I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. It also doesn't help that Hilary Clinton looks like a psychopathic hamster with the personality of Joffrey Baratheon either?" I don’t think someone’s looks really has an impact on their political pursuits.  Rather the odds were stacked against her because of Bill, plus the egregious wave of hate after 8 years of the Obama administration. | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality." Strange how you mentioned her appearance at all. Gbat | |||
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"I'm 59 and haven't a clue what woke or any of these words like gammon mean. Someone come round my house and take time to explain it with me gets my vote" I am 55 and i understands what all of those words mean because i read and then think about what i read. | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality. Strange how you mentioned her appearance at all. Gbat " Because it's true, she really *does* look like a psychopathic hamster! | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality? There's something absolutely chilling about that woman, Trump comes across as a sleazy, dirty guy, but Hilary makes my blood run cold." Frankly her appearance and your perception of her personality both have fuck all to do with whether or not she would be a suitable political leader. However, personality (the way one "comes across" is the more forgivable of the two to be demeaning about. Female politicians are regularly criticised and judged on their physical appearance and described physically in incredibly rude and sometimes horrible ways. Male politicians are far less likely to be criticised on their appearance and when they are, it's often more benign, e.g. noting Rishikesh Sunak's penchant for trousers that do not appear long enough. Rarely is a male politicians' character judged via his appearance. Female politicians' character is often judged via their appearance. A curious set of circumstances. | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality? There's something absolutely chilling about that woman, Trump comes across as a sleazy, dirty guy, but Hilary makes my blood run cold. Frankly her appearance and your perception of her personality both have fuck all to do with whether or not she would be a suitable political leader. However, personality (the way one "comes across" is the more forgivable of the two to be demeaning about. Female politicians are regularly criticised and judged on their physical appearance and described physically in incredibly rude and sometimes horrible ways. Male politicians are far less likely to be criticised on their appearance and when they are, it's often more benign, e.g. noting Rishikesh Sunak's penchant for trousers that do not appear long enough. Rarely is a male politicians' character judged via his appearance. Female politicians' character is often judged via their appearance. A curious set of circumstances. " Barely a week went by without Trump being ridiculed for his appearance, ditto Boris Johnson. Don't let reality get in the way of that victim mentality though eh? Hilary comes across as an absolutely VILE character. | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality? There's something absolutely chilling about that woman, Trump comes across as a sleazy, dirty guy, but Hilary makes my blood run cold. Frankly her appearance and your perception of her personality both have fuck all to do with whether or not she would be a suitable political leader. However, personality (the way one "comes across" is the more forgivable of the two to be demeaning about. Female politicians are regularly criticised and judged on their physical appearance and described physically in incredibly rude and sometimes horrible ways. Male politicians are far less likely to be criticised on their appearance and when they are, it's often more benign, e.g. noting Rishikesh Sunak's penchant for trousers that do not appear long enough. Rarely is a male politicians' character judged via his appearance. Female politicians' character is often judged via their appearance. A curious set of circumstances. Barely a week went by without Trump being ridiculed for his appearance, ditto Boris Johnson. Don't let reality get in the way of that victim mentality though eh? Hilary comes across as an absolutely VILE character." | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality? There's something absolutely chilling about that woman, Trump comes across as a sleazy, dirty guy, but Hilary makes my blood run cold. Frankly her appearance and your perception of her personality both have fuck all to do with whether or not she would be a suitable political leader. However, personality (the way one "comes across" is the more forgivable of the two to be demeaning about. Female politicians are regularly criticised and judged on their physical appearance and described physically in incredibly rude and sometimes horrible ways. Male politicians are far less likely to be criticised on their appearance and when they are, it's often more benign, e.g. noting Rishikesh Sunak's penchant for trousers that do not appear long enough. Rarely is a male politicians' character judged via his appearance. Female politicians' character is often judged via their appearance. A curious set of circumstances. Barely a week went by without Trump being ridiculed for his appearance, ditto Boris Johnson. Don't let reality get in the way of that victim mentality though eh? Hilary comes across as an absolutely VILE character." I have to commend you for your startling ability to fail to recognise your inability to put forward cogent meaningful facts. It really does enable you to keep pissing in the wind regardless. | |||
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"Strange how the last two quotes picked up on what I said about her appearance rather than personality? There's something absolutely chilling about that woman, Trump comes across as a sleazy, dirty guy, but Hilary makes my blood run cold. Frankly her appearance and your perception of her personality both have fuck all to do with whether or not she would be a suitable political leader. However, personality (the way one "comes across" is the more forgivable of the two to be demeaning about. Female politicians are regularly criticised and judged on their physical appearance and described physically in incredibly rude and sometimes horrible ways. Male politicians are far less likely to be criticised on their appearance and when they are, it's often more benign, e.g. noting Rishikesh Sunak's penchant for trousers that do not appear long enough. Rarely is a male politicians' character judged via his appearance. Female politicians' character is often judged via their appearance. A curious set of circumstances. Barely a week went by without Trump being ridiculed for his appearance, ditto Boris Johnson. Don't let reality get in the way of that victim mentality though eh? Hilary comes across as an absolutely VILE character." Unlike Trump, who's surely a saint | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..." "Well fuck that for a game of soldiers | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..." Well fuck that for a game of soldiers "Exactly that...! | |||
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"Hope this too gets moved to the politics forum. "The real woke suffers itself from the hidden woke , it gets cancelled or accused of things it just isn’t. It’s quite ironic. But on the whole awareness of injustice has to be a good thing , even if some people don’t care. | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..." "Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax Would that happen today ? | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
Would that happen today ? "Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free. Cal | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society?" I actively avoid people who are. | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article " Well if it's in an article, it must be true! Sure, it might apply to some people, but seriously, how can that statement define everyone? Does the extract go on to say why they think that way or does it just trot out a series of views presented as facts? Gbat | |||
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"I suppose calling working class US folks a “basket of deplorables” didn’t help the case either but there we go. It also doesn't help that Hilary Clinton looks like a psychopathic hamster with the personality of Joffrey Baratheon either?" And eats babies apparently | |||
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"Looking for that guy commenting who wanted all threads like this moved to politics. Hmmm. How strange he's not saying it for this one. I wonder what the difference could be. It's a mystery. J"  honestly | |||
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"Many of those that claim to be woke are in a dreamland i swear. " Those are asleep? | |||
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"One of my favourite things was hearing that a comedian I particularly enjoy who had some very dark material received less complaints about the actual content than he did from people kicking off about giving in to woke culture by posting a trigger warning on content that could easily be a problem for people who can then remove themselves from the situation. Anti woke is the most snowflakey group and I love that so hard "----------------- | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society?" Think it depends very much on what people think wokeness means. It's good to be aware there are others and they have feelings. It's bad when it takes normal/general human behaviour and makes it a bad thing. Life's not fair. No amount of being offended on behalf of others is going to make it so. | |||
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"One thing that’s clear is that people who use the terms ‘woke’ and ‘snowflake’ are the most easily offended and scared people in society. Everything threatens them in some way, and they spend all their time worrying about imagined impositions on their comparatively easy lives…whereas everyone else just gets on with making the world turn." I tend to agree with this. Don’t think I’ve ever used either of those terms. These people seem to come across as very angry and stressed. I agree their lives can’t be easy or very happy. | |||
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"I hate the term woke. I think it’s used by people who want to be racist or sexist or homophobic to people. The same way “banter” is used to describe bullying by bullies. Yes I think the world has gone too soft in a lot of cases. But there’s no harm in being tolerant of people who are different. " I think merely being 'tolerant' of people who are 'different' is, quite frankly, bullshit. There's no reason why someone who is a different sex, sexuality, race, or nationality should not have full human rights and the same access to opportunities as anyone else. To 'tolerate' an entire group of people based on a characteristic different to your own is to see them as sub-human and not worthy of the same rights and opportunities that you have. If it is 'soft' to extend the same rights that one group has to everyone else then call me a marshmallow and toast me over the fire because I'm done. | |||
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"What is that you mean by wokeness? I think the term is often thrown around as if it’s an insult, but a lot of people are happy to be seen as considerate of other people’s feelings and willing to make a few easy changes to accommodate other people. As for being offended by people being offended? Well, there you go. Gbat. " 100% agree! And tbh I'm happy to be woke! X | |||
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"I'm 59 and haven't a clue what woke or any of these words like gammon mean. Someone come round my house and take time to explain it with me gets my vote" I’m a bit like you, the trouble I find is that everyone seems to have a different idea of what each of these things means, woke, snowflake etc etc all seem to mean different things to different people and they constantly change, I think I’ve given up bothering | |||
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"I hate the term woke. I think it’s used by people who want to be racist or sexist or homophobic to people. The same way “banter” is used to describe bullying by bullies. Yes I think the world has gone too soft in a lot of cases. But there’s no harm in being tolerant of people who are different. " | |||
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"'Wokeness' has gone way too far imho....Stand up comedy has been greatly affected....Theres just so much we cannot say anymore without the Snowflakes taking major offense & throwing tizzy fits...." Comedy evolves though. This is simply saying you're upset you can't make racist jokes or jokes about disabled people really. The biggest fizzy fits I've seen ate from those throwing around terms like 'snowflake' when called out for their archaic and intentionally offensive language. Try calling them a gammon and see how much they cry 
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"Sorry but wokeness or being polictically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like you lot like to believe. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch." This | |||
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"Sorry but wokeness or being polictically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like you lot like to believe. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch. This "Yeah that happens too. In that scenario It certainly erodes civil liberties. It then gets a measuring contest of whose liberties are more valuable to society/the individual. | |||
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"You just need to look at the source of the propaganda around being woke to realize you are being radicalized into hating certain groups or classifications of people." Say goodbye to the world great film plays this scenario out perfectly  | |||
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""Go Woke Go Broke" is a great slogan of mine "*GB News enters the chat* | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article Well if it's in an article, it must be true! Sure, it might apply to some people, but seriously, how can that statement define everyone? Does the extract go on to say why they think that way or does it just trot out a series of views presented as facts? Gbat " I suggest EVERYONE reads at least a little about Swan Teal or better still watch one of her documentaries. I have quite a lot A LOT of a lot, of doubts about her apart from her ability to manipulate the vulnerable and her apparently deep self interest. She makes Jordan Peterson look like the Messiah | |||
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"'Wokeness' has gone way too far imho....Stand up comedy has been greatly affected....Theres just so much we cannot say anymore without the Snowflakes taking major offense & throwing tizzy fits...." Louise..... What is it you want to say that you are no longer allowed to ? | |||
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" A warning on a show that someone may stumble over feels reasonable. More so than being warned a McDonald's coffee may have boiling water on it. I do y understand the amount of emotion that having a warning causes. " Having said that, the warnings were put on the cup partially because of a life-changing injury that was caused. If only we treated non-physical trauma as seriously as physical trauma. | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article Well if it's in an article, it must be true! Sure, it might apply to some people, but seriously, how can that statement define everyone? Does the extract go on to say why they think that way or does it just trot out a series of views presented as facts? Gbat I suggest EVERYONE reads at least a little about Swan Teal or better still watch one of her documentaries. I have quite a lot A LOT of a lot, of doubts about her apart from her ability to manipulate the vulnerable and her apparently deep self interest. She makes Jordan Peterson look like the Messiah " Do I really need too though Granny. I see these names bandied about, I don’t know who they are or what they stand for and am not familiar with their “content”. Do I need to know what they think, can I not be spared the opinions of people who mean nothing too me. | |||
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"What is that you mean by wokeness? I think the term is often thrown around as if it’s an insult, but a lot of people are happy to be seen as considerate of other people’s feelings and willing to make a few easy changes to accommodate other people. As for being offended by people being offended? Well, there you go. Gbat. " Well said | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article Well if it's in an article, it must be true! Sure, it might apply to some people, but seriously, how can that statement define everyone? Does the extract go on to say why they think that way or does it just trot out a series of views presented as facts? Gbat I suggest EVERYONE reads at least a little about Swan Teal or better still watch one of her documentaries. I have quite a lot A LOT of a lot, of doubts about her apart from her ability to manipulate the vulnerable and her apparently deep self interest. She makes Jordan Peterson look like the Messiah Do I really need too though Granny. I see these names bandied about, I don’t know who they are or what they stand for and am not familiar with their “content”. Do I need to know what they think, can I not be spared the opinions of people who mean nothing too me. " Got you Huggy but ... If you check her out then you can worry for the effect that the people who believe in what she is peddaling could have on your existence... 'first they came for the ......... ' Yes you DO need to know the source | |||
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"As with all of these things it started off as a useful thing, being awake to the real world experiences people differant to you go through and how you may affect them without realising. Then it turned into a game of who can be the most woke by creating more and more hurdles for people to jump. Now: Wokeness is being disgusted by trans jokes. Like really angry. Demanding the comedian be cancelled. The fact that he also made a joke about cot death and kicking the same dead baby in the exact same show is clearly fine and reasonable to say It's certainly been a good thing overall but the current overcorrection is doing what it will always do, and turning people away from the actual real message that sits behind it and into the world of mockery" which story is this ? | |||
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" which story is this ?" Ricky Gervais, not his newest one, his one before. When he talks about why he doesn't have kids | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society?" It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. It is a psychological segregation tool meant to divide everybody into groups which is what it has done. It has brought up a self-righteous, victimised and narcissistic generation clouded by their own 'oppresion' How 'unliberal' of the lefties to think of everyone as an 'ist' or a right wing extremist that doesn't agree with their views that aren't even theirs, it is what the media and their peers tell them. Try to challenge a woke person to their own view, they haven't a clue!!! Bore-off | |||
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" It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. " I mean the holocaust was quite bad? | |||
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" which story is this ? Ricky Gervais, not his newest one, his one before. When he talks about why he doesn't have kids" ah cool. That was a while ago then. I'm never sure the volume of cancel calls. So many "media" outlets rely on using random tweets like it's widespread. To get clicks. From those who get emotional about the "cancel culture". | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society?" The definition is "the quality of being alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination." Who doesn't want this? | |||
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"For info for the people reporting this...the subject of wokeness is not a political thread so it can stay here. Before the thread is derailed .....I am aware another thread was moved last week to the political section, but it was a mistake by a mod and it was moved back when seen. " Would a thread on race be political? Just so we’re aware? | |||
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" which story is this ? Ricky Gervais, not his newest one, his one before. When he talks about why he doesn't have kidsah cool. That was a while ago then. I'm never sure the volume of cancel calls. So many "media" outlets rely on using random tweets like it's widespread. To get clicks. From those who get emotional about the "cancel culture". " Yes, the way these things is reported makes it seem like there's some cultic following of what you should or shouldn't watch. I'll accept that there's algorithmic interference, but I assume most people just make up their own minds? | |||
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"For info for the people reporting this...the subject of wokeness is not a political thread so it can stay here. Before the thread is derailed .....I am aware another thread was moved last week to the political section, but it was a mistake by a mod and it was moved back when seen. Would a thread on race be political? Just so we’re aware?" I referenced the previous thread in my post on purpose so that this thread wouldn't be derailed. Back to the OP please | |||
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"It has purposefully divide society into believers and non believers opressors and the oppressed sound maxist doesnt it. its a dangerous ideology and if you follow it to its conclusion what happens to non believers ?" If you mean Marxist... No. Not really. Do you know what Marxism is? Or is it just something that sounds scary? | |||
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"Threads like this are why we need a block button in the forums. You don't want to have to go to someone's profile to block them when you can see they are thinly veiled misogynists, racists or homophobes. They might think you are attracted to them..... (Just been a little bit sick in my own mouth at the thought) Block button in forums please fab!" Enable 'hide on looked at me' before you block. Problem solved! | |||
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"It has purposefully divide society into believers and non believers opressors and the oppressed sound maxist doesnt it. its a dangerous ideology and if you follow it to its conclusion what happens to non believers ?" Is it an ideology? Surely it's just awareness. You don't have to follow something just because you're aware of it. People were aware of, and believed in many things before the term 'woke' became such a bee in some people bonnets. | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society? The definition is "the quality of being alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination." Who doesn't want this?" Using that definition it is a positive in society that I agree with . It generally means being awake .... or as you've put it 'alert' When it is used to label identifiers as 'snowflakes' in order to allow the continuation of racist and sexist ideals it is being 'deliberately' misused and unfortunately causes great misunderstandings .. and great harms. | |||
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"Threads like this are why we need a block button in the forums. You don't want to have to go to someone's profile to block them when you can see they are thinly veiled misogynists, racists or homophobes. They might think you are attracted to them..... (Just been a little bit sick in my own mouth at the thought) Block button in forums please fab! Enable 'hide on looked at me' before you block. Problem solved! " Oooh, thank you! Didn't know that was a thing. How fabulous! | |||
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"It has purposefully divide society into believers and non believers opressors and the oppressed sound maxist doesnt it. its a dangerous ideology and if you follow it to its conclusion what happens to non believers ? Is it an ideology? Surely it's just awareness. You don't have to follow something just because you're aware of it. People were aware of, and believed in many things before the term 'woke' became such a bee in some people bonnets. "I'm increasingly of the opinion that English is dividing into dialects based on political tribes. To me woke means aware of systemic injustice. It seems to others it means something like oppression and censorship. (See also words like Marxist, which get thrown around in a list of mutually exclusive political systems. I can only determine that these lists mean "scary poopyhead", because they never seem to settle into any consistent meaning other than "bad") | |||
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"It has purposefully divide society into believers and non believers opressors and the oppressed sound maxist doesnt it. its a dangerous ideology and if you follow it to its conclusion what happens to non believers ?" 1. Believers in what ? 2. Who are the oppressors and who are they oppressing ? 3. What is an ideology and why is this one ( not that I believe it is one) dangerous ? 4. I always favoured Harpo ( my kind of dim ) 5. What is it's conclusion ? 6. The answer to 5 will allow me to answer which side i'm on when the chips are down. | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society? It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. It is a psychological segregation tool meant to divide everybody into groups which is what it has done. It has brought up a self-righteous, victimised and narcissistic generation clouded by their own 'oppresion' How 'unliberal' of the lefties to think of everyone as an 'ist' or a right wing extremist that doesn't agree with their views that aren't even theirs, it is what the media and their peers tell them. Try to challenge a woke person to their own view, they haven't a clue!!! Bore-off" I expect in contrast you're very open minded and open to being challenged... Who would you say is mostly responsible for the 'psychological segregation tool' - the accused or the accusers? | |||
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"I'm increasingly of the opinion that English is dividing into dialects based on political tribes." And those dialects are propagated by the press, from mass/mainstream on downwards. "To me woke means aware of systemic injustice." Yeah. That’s the actual, correct and proper definition. To have ‘woken up’ to the systemic injustice around you and others. To be aware of the structures in our societies that make them unfair/unequal. | |||
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"I'm increasingly of the opinion that English is dividing into dialects based on political tribes.And those dialects are propagated by the press, from mass/mainstream on downwards. To me woke means aware of systemic injustice.Yeah. That’s the actual, correct and proper definition. To have ‘woken up’ to the systemic injustice around you and others. To be aware of the structures in our societies that make them unfair/unequal." And how can that be bad for society? As a whole, it’s not. But the ones who were previously at the top are feeling the effects of a drive for equality. And these are the ones telling us it’s a bad thing… because it takes their power away. | |||
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"I'm increasingly of the opinion that English is dividing into dialects based on political tribes.And those dialects are propagated by the press, from mass/mainstream on downwards. To me woke means aware of systemic injustice.Yeah. That’s the actual, correct and proper definition. To have ‘woken up’ to the systemic injustice around you and others. To be aware of the structures in our societies that make them unfair/unequal. And how can that be bad for society? As a whole, it’s not. But the ones who were previously at the top are feeling the effects of a drive for equality. And these are the ones telling us it’s a bad thing… because it takes their power away. " I agree until the last comment..... Those that already had the power have the power to retain it. Those that are 'telling us it's a bad thing' never had any power in the first place and THAT is the rub ..... that is the cause of their anxiety and they need to lash out at perceived enemies - and they are only perceived. The thought of not being able to denigrate women, trans people and people of colour to give themselves the illusion of power - this is the shit they've been sold - the shit they bought and believe. I'm optimistic though.... maybe not in my life time but ...... | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society? It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. It is a psychological segregation tool meant to divide everybody into groups which is what it has done. It has brought up a self-righteous, victimised and narcissistic generation clouded by their own 'oppresion' How 'unliberal' of the lefties to think of everyone as an 'ist' or a right wing extremist that doesn't agree with their views that aren't even theirs, it is what the media and their peers tell them. Try to challenge a woke person to their own view, they haven't a clue!!! Bore-off" Sometimes I am unsure if something is satire or not. | |||
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"Just ignore an take absolutely no part in it. Thankfully it hasn't permiated much into real life, it seems to be limited to t.v and social media as far as I can see. " Yes, of course that's the answer. Ignore anyone who wants to move power away from the oppressing demographic to try to even it out for the rest of us. I guess that works if you're one of the oppressors. In fact it works very well for you. But it kind of sucks for everyone else. Thankfully some people actually want to see a bit of equality happen. | |||
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"I'm increasingly of the opinion that English is dividing into dialects based on political tribes.And those dialects are propagated by the press, from mass/mainstream on downwards. To me woke means aware of systemic injustice.Yeah. That’s the actual, correct and proper definition. To have ‘woken up’ to the systemic injustice around you and others. To be aware of the structures in our societies that make them unfair/unequal." I actually think the divisions aren't from mass media, and more niche content creators. Some of those niches are huge, even bigger than some of the "mainstream". I think the definition of woke we share is the correct one, but I'm also inclined to descriptivism not prescriptivism in my understanding of language. This divide in language is happening, even if it seems nonsensical. | |||
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"Has it been good or bad for society? It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. It is a psychological segregation tool meant to divide everybody into groups which is what it has done. It has brought up a self-righteous, victimised and narcissistic generation clouded by their own 'oppresion' How 'unliberal' of the lefties to think of everyone as an 'ist' or a right wing extremist that doesn't agree with their views that aren't even theirs, it is what the media and their peers tell them. Try to challenge a woke person to their own view, they haven't a clue!!! Bore-off Sometimes I am unsure if something is satire or not." It has to be, right ? I'm in Poes Law territory | |||
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"I think the definition of woke we share is the correct one, but I'm also inclined to descriptivism not prescriptivism in my understanding of language. This divide in language is happening, even if it seems nonsensical." Again, yeah. That’s the divide in dialect you mentioned earlier. But I’d argue that divide is deliberate and driven by those on the side of those who benefit from the unjust status quo. It’s a clear case of co-opting language to subvert and to other. | |||
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"I think the definition of woke we share is the correct one, but I'm also inclined to descriptivism not prescriptivism in my understanding of language. This divide in language is happening, even if it seems nonsensical. Again, yeah. That’s the divide in dialect you mentioned earlier. But I’d argue that divide is deliberate and driven by those on the side of those who benefit from the unjust status quo. It’s a clear case of co-opting language to subvert and to other." Yes. Ruth Ben-Ghiat has an interesting post about the shift of language used by authoritarians, and even though it was in the context of the Holocaust, I felt echoes in the post of the shift in language in political and cultural discourse - the flattening of language. How words are reduced to "bad things/people" or "people on my side", rather than having the depth and breadth of original meaning. And how some things become compulsory or impossible to say. It made me tear up a bit. I recommend it. | |||
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"Just ignore an take absolutely no part in it. Thankfully it hasn't permiated much into real life, it seems to be limited to t.v and social media as far as I can see. Yes, of course that's the answer. Ignore anyone who wants to move power away from the oppressing demographic to try to even it out for the rest of us. I guess that works if you're one of the oppressors. In fact it works very well for you. But it kind of sucks for everyone else. Thankfully some people actually want to see a bit of equality happen." | |||
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"Just ignore an take absolutely no part in it. Thankfully it hasn't permiated much into real life, it seems to be limited to t.v and social media as far as I can see. Yes, of course that's the answer. Ignore anyone who wants to move power away from the oppressing demographic to try to even it out for the rest of us. I guess that works if you're one of the oppressors. In fact it works very well for you. But it kind of sucks for everyone else. Thankfully some people actually want to see a bit of equality happen." What's a bit of equality? Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant? | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
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Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free.
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
Would that happen today ?
Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free.
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I would hope they do. But that isn’t woke it’s action.
The point I was making is that arm chair or internet wokery is not the same as protesting.
When you subvert, disrupt or disinvest you take risks. Being woke in the populist meaning of the world is more ego stroking and virtue signalling
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
Would that happen today ?
Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free.
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I would hope they do. But that isn’t woke it’s action.
The point I was making is that arm chair or internet wokery is not the same as protesting.
When you subvert, disrupt or disinvest you take risks. Being woke in the populist meaning of the world is more ego stroking and virtue signalling
"How do you or anyone know what someone online does in real life? Particularly in a forum like this where there's a degree of anonymity? There's always this shouting down of certain kinds of intention or emotion as being virtue signalling, meaningless, ego stroking etc (which is hilarious on here, given the way the politics tend to play out. why in god's name would you want to do it on here? you'll just get backlash). But no one knows what we get up to in real life, whether our money is where our mouths are. They very well could be. And even if they're not, I don't at all understand the shouting down. Does it hurt to see people care about racial inequity? Is it like looking into the sun to consider people caring about their communities, or people other than themselves? If so, isn't that rather telling, that people are so averse to hearing about altruism? Don't worry though. Although people think that "woke" is just hot air for attention - when people seem to be so opposed to altruism that they find it physically painful: we believe them. It's obvious that some people are so tiny minded, so self obsessed, so insular, that people doing nice things is their kryptonite. | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
Would that happen today ?
Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free.
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I would hope they do. But that isn’t woke it’s action.
The point I was making is that arm chair or internet wokery is not the same as protesting.
When you subvert, disrupt or disinvest you take risks. Being woke in the populist meaning of the world is more ego stroking and virtue signalling
I think it's an interesting observation that you've made there.
I have friends in Extinction Rebellion who have been arrested in the street and do indeed have pro bono solicitors representing them (and legal volunteers too).
I've been to a lot of protests for various things over the past twenty years and it's always been the case that a number is circulated that you sharpie onto your skin, and if you get arrested that's the number you call for legal assistance.
I do think that your aspersions on using the online space for organising and performing protests are somewhat... dinosaurish.
Over 60% of the global population have access to the internet. In the UK that's something like 98%. Is there a better way to reach people and get your message heard than the internet? I'm not sure.
The internet is an incredibly powerful tool for activism. We shouldn't write it off just because it's not what people did three and a half decades ago."Schroedinger's protest: if you really believed in what you did and weren't just an attention seeker you'd do xyz/ these protestors coming over here, threatening our values, making us late for work It's almost as if there's no way to win and make them happy except to shut up. ... they can cry about it | |||
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"Extract from Teal Swan article:- "Make no mistake. The current “wokeness” trend is not genuine awakening. It is does not reflect genuine awareness or even intelligence. And it is often marked by false concern. If a society was genuinely “woke”, that would be a good thing. But the general direction of change that you are seeing within society today is actually a false wokeness. It is a gaslight. It is something disguised as the opposite of what it is. It is unconsciousness disguised as consciousness. It is virtue signaling disguised as concern for others. It is immorality disguised as morality. It is prejudice disguised as social justice. It is an assault against health disguised as measures that are pro-health. It is racism disguised as anti-racism. It is primitive ego disguised as evolved state of being. It is further damage to traumatized groups of people disguised as help. It is a backwards step disguised as forward movement..."
Yeah I think I agree with a lot of that. We seemed more genuinely woke 30-40 years ago. I remember getting arrested at the poll tax riots in 88 or 89 , hauled into court, I was in instantly surrounded by a bunch of lawyers telling me exactly what to say, all doing pro bono work for free to support the injustice of poll-tax
Would that happen today ?
Do you think that the protestors from Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil, are paying for their own legal representation? I would expect that they too have lawyers who support their cause... for free.
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I would hope they do. But that isn’t woke it’s action.
The point I was making is that arm chair or internet wokery is not the same as protesting.
When you subvert, disrupt or disinvest you take risks. Being woke in the populist meaning of the world is more ego stroking and virtue signalling
I think it's an interesting observation that you've made there.
I have friends in Extinction Rebellion who have been arrested in the street and do indeed have pro bono solicitors representing them (and legal volunteers too).
I've been to a lot of protests for various things over the past twenty years and it's always been the case that a number is circulated that you sharpie onto your skin, and if you get arrested that's the number you call for legal assistance.
I do think that your aspersions on using the online space for organising and performing protests are somewhat... dinosaurish.
Over 60% of the global population have access to the internet. In the UK that's something like 98%. Is there a better way to reach people and get your message heard than the internet? I'm not sure.
The internet is an incredibly powerful tool for activism. We shouldn't write it off just because it's not what people did three and a half decades ago."The key thing you said there is organise. Look at momentum , look at tactical briefings, for occupy and disinvestment. The internet is used but it’s used tactically You can tell reading the posts online who is an armchair activists / troll and who is properly organised | |||
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"There is at least one thread on this topic every week
Is there. Where is the woke section. "It's usually in the politics section and sometimes spills over to the Lounge. Even some other topics in the politics section have ended up being a fight about the woke | |||
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""Go Woke Go Broke" is a great slogan of mine *GB News enters the chat*
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"Has it been good or bad for society? It is been the worst thing that has ever happened to society in history. It is a psychological segregation tool meant to divide everybody into groups which is what it has done. It has brought up a self-righteous, victimised and narcissistic generation clouded by their own 'oppresion' How 'unliberal' of the lefties to think of everyone as an 'ist' or a right wing extremist that doesn't agree with their views that aren't even theirs, it is what the media and their peers tell them. Try to challenge a woke person to their own view, they haven't a clue!!! Bore-off" You should watch say goodbye to the world it's absolutely bang on the money for this scenario! | |||
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""wokeness" is an awareness of social injustice. If you think social injustice is necessary for a stable society and trying to resolve it threatens that stability, you'll think it's bad. If you think social injustice should be resolved in the pursuit of a more free and equal society, you'll think it's good. It's as simple as that really - a new word co-opted to fight the same old battle. Spot on. . Before the word "woke" arose, the words "political correctness" were used to mean almost the same thing. The same people who moaned about "PC" back then are the same people moaning about "woke" today. . The danger is, the culture wars of modern times have pushed a narrative that the reason the anti-woke brigade are so marginalised is because of wokeism. The answer of course is closer to home. The anti-woke brigade marginalise themselves, because of the company they keep and the views they espouse." Utter drivel alert! Think I need a 'safe space' now | |||
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"Sorry but wokeness or being polictically correct doesn't mean being aware of social injustices like you lot like to believe. It actually means wanting to control what others say and think and its proven even down to films and tv shows you lot watch." Perfect. | |||
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" The key thing you said there is organise. Look at momentum , look at tactical briefings, for occupy and disinvestment. The internet is used but it’s used tactically You can tell reading the posts online who is an armchair activists / troll and who is properly organised " I would love to know how you tell. I have been told many times, almost exclusively by men, that I am a troll who gets my kicks from 'armchair feminism/activism.' Also - who says what is 'properly organised'? The thing is, times have changed. It's not 1989 when Ferry Cross the Mersey was number one in the charts and Thatcher was still in power. The organisation in activism looks VERY different these days. I mean, we've been through two whole waves of feminism since then, each one drastically differently organised to the one before... | |||
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" The key thing you said there is organise. Look at momentum , look at tactical briefings, for occupy and disinvestment. The internet is used but it’s used tactically You can tell reading the posts online who is an armchair activists / troll and who is properly organised I would love to know how you tell. I have been told many times, almost exclusively by men, that I am a troll who gets my kicks from 'armchair feminism/activism.' Also - who says what is 'properly organised'? The thing is, times have changed. It's not 1989 when Ferry Cross the Mersey was number one in the charts and Thatcher was still in power. The organisation in activism looks VERY different these days. I mean, we've been through two whole waves of feminism since then, each one drastically differently organised to the one before..." Gym_and_iced_coffee... Agree 100%. Funny how Extinction Rebellion were offering circa £1400 per month in 'expenses' for 'volunteers'. Read that statement again if you must. Laughable, right? The Poll Tax protests (which, as a Scot of a certain age, still remember vividly), had a purity of true people power rage against the establishment/machine(!) that truly felt like civil war was gonna happen: and really, Thatcher was dead in the water from then on in... Times always do and have changed: nature of societies... you're current lot of 'SJW''s have an utter lack of awareness about how much they're being used now via social media etc by yet another rich men agenda... Ooft. Might need to lie down after that
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"I wonder what are the terrible things that have happened under the name of woke ? The worst I can think of is positive discrimination (which is often just checks and balances to ensure no discrimination) and a debate on the right social convention for toilet use. Surely there must be more given the anger. " The trouble with far left policies (both economic/social) is that the terrible impact it causes isn't usually direct but indirect. Marxist socialism has been responsible for tens of millions of death around the world. Yet you can proudly call yourself a Marxist but calling yourself a Nazi will get you arrested in many places. Reason is that Nazism was openly evil. Marxism hides it under the veil of "greater good". After all the tragedies that happened, they just say "Our intentions were good. This wasn't real socialism" As for wokeism, one example I can give is the grooming gang reports which said police were scared of dealing with suspects because of the fear of being called racists. Sure you can blame the police for being incapable. But when you create an environment where speaking openly about what you feel isn't safe anymore, you are slowly getting into the 1984 dystopia. Doesn't the whole thing look very similar to Mao's cultural revolution? Pretty sure that didn't end well. | |||
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"I wonder what are the terrible things that have happened under the name of woke ? The worst I can think of is positive discrimination (which is often just checks and balances to ensure no discrimination) and a debate on the right social convention for toilet use. Surely there must be more given the anger. The trouble with far left policies (both economic/social) is that the terrible impact it causes isn't usually direct but indirect. Marxist socialism has been responsible for tens of millions of death around the world. Yet you can proudly call yourself a Marxist but calling yourself a Nazi will get you arrested in many places. Reason is that Nazism was openly evil. Marxism hides it under the veil of "greater good". After all the tragedies that happened, they just say "Our intentions were good. This wasn't real socialism" As for wokeism, one example I can give is the grooming gang reports which said police were scared of dealing with suspects because of the fear of being called racists. Sure you can blame the police for being incapable. But when you create an environment where speaking openly about what you feel isn't safe anymore, you are slowly getting into the 1984 dystopia. Doesn't the whole thing look very similar to Mao's cultural revolution? Pretty sure that didn't end well." Fucking right it didn't. | |||
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"'Wokeness' has gone way too far imho....Stand up comedy has been greatly affected....Theres just so much we cannot say anymore without the Snowflakes taking major offense & throwing tizzy fits.... Louise..... What is it you want to say that you are no longer allowed to ?" Here's a couple. There are only two sexes. If you have a penis, then you are a man. | |||
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"I wonder what are the terrible things that have happened under the name of woke ? The worst I can think of is positive discrimination (which is often just checks and balances to ensure no discrimination) and a debate on the right social convention for toilet use. Surely there must be more given the anger. The trouble with far left policies (both economic/social) is that the terrible impact it causes isn't usually direct but indirect. Marxist socialism has been responsible for tens of millions of death around the world. Yet you can proudly call yourself a Marxist but calling yourself a Nazi will get you arrested in many places. Reason is that Nazism was openly evil. Marxism hides it under the veil of "greater good". After all the tragedies that happened, they just say "Our intentions were good. This wasn't real socialism" As for wokeism, one example I can give is the grooming gang reports which said police were scared of dealing with suspects because of the fear of being called racists. Sure you can blame the police for being incapable. But when you create an environment where speaking openly about what you feel isn't safe anymore, you are slowly getting into the 1984 dystopia. Doesn't the whole thing look very similar to Mao's cultural revolution? Pretty sure that didn't end well." I'd argue that isn't wokism. I'd also say that wokism isn't just race but many other areas such as class and that played as big a part. I'd also suggest the anti woke (eg EDL) made it harder to police. | |||
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"'Wokeness' has gone way too far imho....Stand up comedy has been greatly affected....Theres just so much we cannot say anymore without the Snowflakes taking major offense & throwing tizzy fits.... Louise..... What is it you want to say that you are no longer allowed to ? Here's a couple. There are only two sexes. If you have a penis, then you are a man." 100%. The rest really is smoke and mirrors  | |||
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"I wonder what are the terrible things that have happened under the name of woke ? The worst I can think of is positive discrimination (which is often just checks and balances to ensure no discrimination) and a debate on the right social convention for toilet use. Surely there must be more given the anger. The trouble with far left policies (both economic/social) is that the terrible impact it causes isn't usually direct but indirect. Marxist socialism has been responsible for tens of millions of death around the world. Yet you can proudly call yourself a Marxist but calling yourself a Nazi will get you arrested in many places. Reason is that Nazism was openly evil. Marxism hides it under the veil of "greater good". After all the tragedies that happened, they just say "Our intentions were good. This wasn't real socialism" As for wokeism, one example I can give is the grooming gang reports which said police were scared of dealing with suspects because of the fear of being called racists. Sure you can blame the police for being incapable. But when you create an environment where speaking openly about what you feel isn't safe anymore, you are slowly getting into the 1984 dystopia. Doesn't the whole thing look very similar to Mao's cultural revolution? Pretty sure that didn't end well.I'd argue that isn't wokism. I'd also say that wokism isn't just race but many other areas such as class and that played as big a part. I'd also suggest the anti woke (eg EDL) made it harder to police. " And I would say that your response isn't different from "That isn't real socialism". You start by saying that you are fighting for the greater good. Instead of having open debates and trying to convince the people, you create an environment where anyone who doesn't agree with your views receive heavy retaliation. This environment causes lot of terrible things. You pass the blame on others instead of accepting the fact that you created an environment that was responsible for those terrible things. Race just being one of the focus on woke doesn't really refute my argument. EDL are scumbags. Sure they may have affected policing too. But so has woke. | |||
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""Wokeness" is basically being aware that there's a lot of shit going on in society, of all sorts, and preferring that the world should be better. It's just a newish name for something that has been around forever. Charles Dickens would be "woke" today, he wrote books showing the lives of those that had drawn the shitty end of the stick in society, to make people aware (woke) that there is something beyond their own experience in life. All the gradual improvements in life for ordinary people through the 20th century were the results of wokeness, of the people being aware that that they were being stamped on from above and deciding that they deserved better. The 21st century is now going tits up because those at the top of the pile hate the idea that ordinary people should have tolerable lives, they despise the concept of an intelligent populace that don't exist solely to provide luxuries for their lords and masters. "Anti-wokeness" is a new brainwashing driven from above, very successfully convincing large parts of the stupid that hate is good, that it is bad to know that some folk get shit upon by the rich, that intelligence is undesirable. "Anti-wokeness" is a movement to attack those that point out inequalities in society, to provoke hate and to make those at the bottom believe that improvement is bad. "Anti-wokeness" is to embrace ignorance, to make a virtue out of being horrible to others, and to want the world to be shittier than it needs to be. " Well said. | |||
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"I wonder what are the terrible things that have happened under the name of woke ? The worst I can think of is positive discrimination (which is often just checks and balances to ensure no discrimination) and a debate on the right social convention for toilet use. Surely there must be more given the anger. The trouble with far left policies (both economic/social) is that the terrible impact it causes isn't usually direct but indirect. Marxist socialism has been responsible for tens of millions of death around the world. Yet you can proudly call yourself a Marxist but calling yourself a Nazi will get you arrested in many places. Reason is that Nazism was openly evil. Marxism hides it under the veil of "greater good". After all the tragedies that happened, they just say "Our intentions were good. This wasn't real socialism" As for wokeism, one example I can give is the grooming gang reports which said police were scared of dealing with suspects because of the fear of being called racists. Sure you can blame the police for being incapable. But when you create an environment where speaking openly about what you feel isn't safe anymore, you are slowly getting into the 1984 dystopia. Doesn't the whole thing look very similar to Mao's cultural revolution? Pretty sure that didn't end well.I'd argue that isn't wokism. I'd also say that wokism isn't just race but many other areas such as class and that played as big a part. I'd also suggest the anti woke (eg EDL) made it harder to police. And I would say that your response isn't different from "That isn't real socialism". You start by saying that you are fighting for the greater good. Instead of having open debates and trying to convince the people, you create an environment where anyone who doesn't agree with your views receive heavy retaliation. This environment causes lot of terrible things. You pass the blame on others instead of accepting the fact that you created an environment that was responsible for those terrible things. Race just being one of the focus on woke doesn't really refute my argument. EDL are scumbags. Sure they may have affected policing too. But so has woke." people didnt report stuff because they feared being caused racist. Was there actual cases of people being called racists for reporting crimes or was it a fear that was created in their minds ? I was less aware of stuff in the 90s. I can believe a lot of racists stuff was being called out, and that left people unsure where they stood. | |||
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