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"Hi, for some time I’m thinking to move from London as I find it very stressful, congested and dangerous. ….. "
Are you sure you’re not describing Manchester?  haha. |
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I've never lived in London, but I've lived in the equivalent "big smoke" in Australia.
Manchester can be stressful, parts can be congested, parts can be dangerous.
I find when I visit London people are a lot more aloof - you smile on someone at the tube and they think you're crazy. I've overheard Londoners on the train saying "I'm leaving MK, I can feel the weight lifting off my shoulders"
I think all cities are the same, give or take. Manchester has a smaller city vibe (not a tiny city by any means, but tiny compared to London) and doesn't have all the amenities that a place like London will, but I rarely find anything I don't need here.
It's about where you live and work, and what you make of it. |
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"At least is much quiet and I can find a house to rent not far from Manchester"
It's much quieter, but it's also much much smaller. It's trivially easy to walk across the entire city centre of Manchester, to give you some idea. And Manchester isn't as affordable as it used to be. |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK. "
I live in Manchester and love it here, and you could not pay me to live in London. But I think you might be overstating the differences.
If I really wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle etc, I wouldn't move to Manchester, I'd move to somewhere like fucking Lerwick. |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK. "
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
I live in Manchester and love it here, and you could not pay me to live in London. But I think you might be overstating the differences.
If I really wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle etc, I wouldn't move to Manchester, I'd move to somewhere like fucking Lerwick. "
Yeah.. I wouldn't describe Manchester as not congested... Its encircled by motorways  |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
I live in Manchester and love it here, and you could not pay me to live in London. But I think you might be overstating the differences.
If I really wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle etc, I wouldn't move to Manchester, I'd move to somewhere like fucking Lerwick.
Yeah.. I wouldn't describe Manchester as not congested... Its encircled by motorways "
Yeah. It's still a city - it's just not London  |
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also "
Imagine the city things you like and don't like about London.
Now imagine that London is "city on steroids"
Manchester and Leeds are still cities with all of the same problems - they're just not on the kind of drugs London can get hold of. |
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"Hi, for some time I’m thinking to move from London as I find it very stressful, congested and dangerous. Did someone from here move up to north? How is life there comparing with London? "
Yes I moved from London and lived in Manchester for 3.5 years. It was less stressful as there were not loads of tourists and huge amounts of commuters everywhere. It was more affordable and felt less suffocating in terms of buildings.
It cannot compete with London in sheer numbers of things to do and career opportunities BUT it definitely has enough going on for you to adapt and be satisfied.
Socially, yes there could be friendly people there but not that vastly different to what I experienced in London. The difference with London is it is huge, massive transient population and many do not speak good English, whereas in Manchester it was no where near that.
Personally I was really happy there and did not want to move back to London but had to for family reasons. All in all, give it a go  |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"Hi, for some time I’m thinking to move from London as I find it very stressful, congested and dangerous. Did someone from here move up to north? How is life there comparing with London?
Yes I moved from London and lived in Manchester for 3.5 years. It was less stressful as there were not loads of tourists and huge amounts of commuters everywhere. It was more affordable and felt less suffocating in terms of buildings.
It cannot compete with London in sheer numbers of things to do and career opportunities BUT it definitely has enough going on for you to adapt and be satisfied.
Socially, yes there could be friendly people there but not that vastly different to what I experienced in London. The difference with London is it is huge, massive transient population and many do not speak good English, whereas in Manchester it was no where near that.
Personally I was really happy there and did not want to move back to London but had to for family reasons. All in all, give it a go "
Thanks mate, really appreciate your advice! |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Leeds has a motorway runnung THROUGH it  "
Still I won’t be suffocated by a lot of traffic and population. I would prefer to move somewhere nearby in a quiet area. |
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Living in the Manchester area, half an hour travel (not rush hour!) can get you to open countryside of all kinds. Hills, rivers, seaside, country parks, all very easy to get to. I live inside the Manchester ring road motorway, yet within 5 minutes walking distance I have a nature reserve where I can pick orchard fruits and blackberries (seasonal obviously), walk by a river, among trees or meadow flowers. Five minutes in a car gets me onto the motorway with easy links north, south, east and west. Also, if I had any interest in such places, there are at least ten swingers clubs within a one hour travel radius  |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK. "
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature. |
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"Living in the Manchester area, half an hour travel (not rush hour!) can get you to open countryside of all kinds. Hills, rivers, seaside, country parks, all very easy to get to. I live inside the Manchester ring road motorway, yet within 5 minutes walking distance I have a nature reserve where I can pick orchard fruits and blackberries (seasonal obviously), walk by a river, among trees or meadow flowers. Five minutes in a car gets me onto the motorway with easy links north, south, east and west. Also, if I had any interest in such places, there are at least ten swingers clubs within a one hour travel radius "
Yeah, if you want Manchester, try (parts of) Stockport |
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Imagine the city things you like and don't like about London.
Now imagine that London is "city on steroids"
Manchester and Leeds are still cities with all of the same problems - they're just not on the kind of drugs London can get hold of."
It depends where you go, they're everywhere if you want them, though knew someone that moved from London years ago due to all the stop and searches and getting pulled over by the rozzers. They all stopped once he moved.. he said he was still nervous and had his guard up for years, both seeing any police and with new people as he couldn't get used to people being familiar. Haven't seen him for years but he said the difference was dramatic. |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"Living in the Manchester area, half an hour travel (not rush hour!) can get you to open countryside of all kinds. Hills, rivers, seaside, country parks, all very easy to get to. I live inside the Manchester ring road motorway, yet within 5 minutes walking distance I have a nature reserve where I can pick orchard fruits and blackberries (seasonal obviously), walk by a river, among trees or meadow flowers. Five minutes in a car gets me onto the motorway with easy links north, south, east and west. Also, if I had any interest in such places, there are at least ten swingers clubs within a one hour travel radius "
This is what I need, lots of nature around!! Thank you! |
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By (user no longer on site) 45 weeks ago
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"Hi, for some time I’m thinking to move from London as I find it very stressful, congested and dangerous. Did someone from here move up to north? How is life there comparing with London?
Yes I moved from London and lived in Manchester for 3.5 years. It was less stressful as there were not loads of tourists and huge amounts of commuters everywhere. It was more affordable and felt less suffocating in terms of buildings.
It cannot compete with London in sheer numbers of things to do and career opportunities BUT it definitely has enough going on for you to adapt and be satisfied.
Socially, yes there could be friendly people there but not that vastly different to what I experienced in London. The difference with London is it is huge, massive transient population and many do not speak good English, whereas in Manchester it was no where near that.
Personally I was really happy there and did not want to move back to London but had to for family reasons. All in all, give it a go
Thanks mate, really appreciate your advice!"
I should mention as some have already that yes Manchester in parts can be pretty rough, but if you grew up in a rough part of London like me then you will not feel intimidated.
I never did once up there but I guess someone from a little middle class village somewhere would. It is not as dangerous and intimidating as London can be either.
Fab Swingers is also much better up there, seems more use it than down south. I had some fun on the site with meets back then |
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Imagine the city things you like and don't like about London.
Now imagine that London is "city on steroids"
Manchester and Leeds are still cities with all of the same problems - they're just not on the kind of drugs London can get hold of.
It depends where you go, they're everywhere if you want them, though knew someone that moved from London years ago due to all the stop and searches and getting pulled over by the rozzers. They all stopped once he moved.. he said he was still nervous and had his guard up for years, both seeing any police and with new people as he couldn't get used to people being familiar. Haven't seen him for years but he said the difference was dramatic. "
The casual familiarity took me several years to get used to, too. Now I find it a welcome relief when I flee my occasional visits to London. |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature. "
This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not? |
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"Hi, for some time I’m thinking to move from London as I find it very stressful, congested and dangerous. Did someone from here move up to north? How is life there comparing with London? "
As others have mentioned, a coty is still a city: you'll get a similar experience in Manc as with in London. I've (in effect) lived in London, yet found it less stressful(absolutely no idea why!)than being in Birmingham for 20 odd years. And i grew to really resent living in Brum..
Ive now moved to a smaller town nearish Leeds, and im loving how much more chilled (and friendlier, AND less polluted)it is.
Yet if i want the city experience its a short train/taxi ride away.
Depending if you really cant handle big urban areas, maybe consider living commuting distance away. It'll be cheaper too! |
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"York was voted best city wasn't it? Gorgeous up there
And apparently a pub for every day of the year. At least that's what the used to say, anyway. Not that that would be an attraction for mev  "
90 within the City walls and 293 in total ! |
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"York was voted best city wasn't it? Gorgeous up there
And apparently a pub for every day of the year. At least that's what the used to say, anyway. Not that that would be an attraction for mev
90 within the City walls and 293 in total !"
You fountain of all knowledge. Modern times oracle |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature.
This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not? "
I'm not a plumber so I can't say, but suffice to say Greater Manchester has a population of 2.5m people, we all (or the vast majority?!) have bathrooms and heating systems etc. There's a lot of building work in the region, all requiring tradespeople. When we've needed trades, many times we've had to wait or ring round lots of people. I'd suggest that you're probably fine, if you're any good at your job and are willing to put in the legwork to get set up. |
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Leeds has a motorway runnung THROUGH it "
Manchester centre fully contains the shortest motorway in Britain - the A57M, known as the Mancunian Way. Originally only about 1km long, but over the years extra bits of road at the ends have been upgraded so it is now a full 3km in length! The original section was built on concrete stilts as an overpass running directly through the Manchester Uni campus area. |
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This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not? "
I don't think you will struggle for work, especially if you are good at your job |
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Leeds has a motorway runnung THROUGH it
Manchester centre fully contains the shortest motorway in Britain - the A57M, known as the Mancunian Way. Originally only about 1km long, but over the years extra bits of road at the ends have been upgraded so it is now a full 3km in length! The original section was built on concrete stilts as an overpass running directly through the Manchester Uni campus area."
And possibly the only motorway with a permanent 30mph speed limit |
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By (user no longer on site) 45 weeks ago
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"OP have you considered anywhere other than Manchester ?
Leeds is on list also
Leeds has a motorway runnung THROUGH it
Manchester centre fully contains the shortest motorway in Britain - the A57M, known as the Mancunian Way. Originally only about 1km long, but over the years extra bits of road at the ends have been upgraded so it is now a full 3km in length! The original section was built on concrete stilts as an overpass running directly through the Manchester Uni campus area."
Oh i didn't know that Polly! |
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature.
This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not? "
I have been trying to find a good plumber for blooming ages for quite a bit of substantial work. Not easy. That should give your answer. And by the way, if you are available, lets talk |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature.
This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not?
I'm not a plumber so I can't say, but suffice to say Greater Manchester has a population of 2.5m people, we all (or the vast majority?!) have bathrooms and heating systems etc. There's a lot of building work in the region, all requiring tradespeople. When we've needed trades, many times we've had to wait or ring round lots of people. I'd suggest that you're probably fine, if you're any good at your job and are willing to put in the legwork to get set up. "
This is what I need to hear, I think I will be moving soon |
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I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for... |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not?
I don't think you will struggle for work, especially if you are good at your job "
I’m not good, I’m the best! |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for..."
The Home Counties is £££ though  |
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By *lex.88 OP Man 45 weeks ago
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"At least Manchester is not congested as crazy. Work wise is fine, I can work anywhere in UK.
Manchester isn't anywhere near as bad as others are making out. Greater Manchester (which is 8 or 9 towns/cities) is a good place to live. Almost all areas have decent travel connections into Manchester city centre, although it's not as joined up as London travel and trains are very expensive for the distances travelled.
The city centre and places like Salford Quays are expensive to rent in, by northern standards, but more affordable than London if you are comparing London wages with Manchester prices. Wages are usually less up here, making the expensive rent actually expensive. However, some of the towns making up GM are relatively affordable, places like Bolton and Wigan, for example.
It all depends what you want, how much you're earning, if you mind a 30-40min commute into the city centre, if you NEED to go to the city centre and various other things.
We have some amazing country parks, moorland and other green spaces within very short distance of the big urban areas and so it's a good part of the country to mix urban living with outdoor pursuits and nature.
This is my main question, I work as a plumber and I have my own business, I wonder if there is enough work as is a smaller town than London. I’ve been asking on other forums of plumbers but nobody seems to reply. Good business or not?
I have been trying to find a good plumber for blooming ages for quite a bit of substantial work. Not easy. That should give your answer. And by the way, if you are available, lets talk "
I will be available when I’ll be moving there |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for..."
This is true. I’m proper in the country but 45 mins from London |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
The Home Counties is £££ though "
Most would still be cheaper than central London though (bar some exceptions in the "stockbroker belt")... |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for..."
I think sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. I have ended up in Cambridge for complex reasons but thought it would be ok, it is a beautiful historic city and relaxed but I am bored to tears already. London is one of those places you love and hate, I am shocked to say I wish I was back living there. |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
I think sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. I have ended up in Cambridge for complex reasons but thought it would be ok, it is a beautiful historic city and relaxed but I am bored to tears already. London is one of those places you love and hate, I am shocked to say I wish I was back living there. "
Yeah, I agree. I doubt I'll ever leave never London as I love it, but sounds like the OP wants a quieter pace...
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for..."
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. If you want a contrast to London, Manchester isn't that great a contrast. It's only a question of degree (and it depends on where you go) |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. If you want a contrast to London, Manchester isn't that great a contrast. It's only a question of degree (and it depends on where you go)"
Depends what is meant by Manchester, I suppose. Some would use it to refer only to the city centre but others use it to refer to the city region, much of which is very much more quiet and less noisy/hectic than London (even the outer bits of London). |
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Manchester is fantastic but it's still a city. You could get the benefits of Manchester by living close by and travelling in.
Have a long holiday in Manchester, for at least a week. Get a feel for it. It's truly wonderful but you ought to research the costs and opportunities as fully as you can. You'll also be away from your support network, so there's a lot to factor in. Swing is Manchesters clearest example of how someone can move long distance and settle down |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. If you want a contrast to London, Manchester isn't that great a contrast. It's only a question of degree (and it depends on where you go)
Depends what is meant by Manchester, I suppose. Some would use it to refer only to the city centre but others use it to refer to the city region, much of which is very much more quiet and less noisy/hectic than London (even the outer bits of London). "
Yes, fair. I think of my own experience (I'm about five miles outside the centre) and it's just... suburbia. The gap between the outskirts of Manchester and the centre is going to be way less than the same in London. |
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"Manchester is fantastic but it's still a city. You could get the benefits of Manchester by living close by and travelling in.
Have a long holiday in Manchester, for at least a week. Get a feel for it. It's truly wonderful but you ought to research the costs and opportunities as fully as you can. You'll also be away from your support network, so there's a lot to factor in. Swing is Manchesters clearest example of how someone can move long distance and settle down "
If I went back in time I would be terrified about that sheltered overgrown little girl doing what I did (I was 23). It's the best mistake I ever made |
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Living up north is head and shoulders better than London - granted it's not as 24/7 and certain things you may not have ie the Tube but depending on where you move, it's a lot calmer, less stressful and cheaper than London.
Depending on your work of course, is Manchester the only place you'd move? We used to live in Nottingham and loved it.
Every area/town/city has its good and bad points, its good and rough areas. |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. If you want a contrast to London, Manchester isn't that great a contrast. It's only a question of degree (and it depends on where you go)
Depends what is meant by Manchester, I suppose. Some would use it to refer only to the city centre but others use it to refer to the city region, much of which is very much more quiet and less noisy/hectic than London (even the outer bits of London).
Yes, fair. I think of my own experience (I'm about five miles outside the centre) and it's just... suburbia. The gap between the outskirts of Manchester and the centre is going to be way less than the same in London."
We're about 15 miles out from the centre but can drive there in 30-45mins. Mr KC uses buses to get to work every day in the city centre, 2 buses takes him 1.25hrs, ish. |
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KC. Do you consider yourself living in Manchester? It’s the Greater Manchester thing that I get wound up at. I fall under so many different councils depending who wants to take responsibility. |
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"KC. Do you consider yourself living in Manchester? It’s the Greater Manchester thing that I get wound up at. I fall under so many different councils depending who wants to take responsibility. "
I don't live in Manchester. I live in [redacted] but we both work right in the city centre and come in most weekends. We used to live on the Salford/Manchester border, on the edge of the city centre so we know what it's like. |
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"I like Manchester. I could live there, but not because I wanted a contrast to London.
You don't actually need to move far out of London for space or a small-town feel; it's what the Home Counties are for...
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. If you want a contrast to London, Manchester isn't that great a contrast. It's only a question of degree (and it depends on where you go)
Depends what is meant by Manchester, I suppose. Some would use it to refer only to the city centre but others use it to refer to the city region, much of which is very much more quiet and less noisy/hectic than London (even the outer bits of London).
Yes, fair. I think of my own experience (I'm about five miles outside the centre) and it's just... suburbia. The gap between the outskirts of Manchester and the centre is going to be way less than the same in London.
We're about 15 miles out from the centre but can drive there in 30-45mins. Mr KC uses buses to get to work every day in the city centre, 2 buses takes him 1.25hrs, ish. "
Direct train to the centre takes me 15 minutes, bus 30-40 minutes (more during peak), tram about half an hour. |
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"KC. Do you consider yourself living in Manchester? It’s the Greater Manchester thing that I get wound up at. I fall under so many different councils depending who wants to take responsibility. "
yeah if you live on a border that shit fucks you up. sigh |
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