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By *hagTonight OP Man 37 weeks ago
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I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality  |
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Tradition I think was more practical based.
E.g. men tended to have labour intensive jobs, cowl mining shipyards etc. So relatively lighter work done by the women.
Working has changed now, such as machinery doing the labour intensive work |
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By *xeterCandRCouple 37 weeks ago
Digby & Sowton, Exeter |
"I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality "
I feel that if a person is capable of doing a job then they should be able to apply for any position available, apart from where gender based privacy is an issue. |
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"Tradition I think was more practical based.
E.g. men tended to have labour intensive jobs, cowl mining shipyards etc. So relatively lighter work done by the women.
Working has changed now, such as machinery doing the labour intensive work "
I think this is very likely correct. I don’t see why there are any jobs that cannot be done by either sex once you have access to the correct machinery. |
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QUOTE , for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, UNQUOTE
I often see comments like this. I often see people saying ...... mate this isn't the 50's! and it irks me a bit.
It wasn't traditional in the 50's. I'm a product of the 50's. What the fuck is tradition in any case ? Whose tradition ? When did tradition start ?
All I can tell you from my lived experience ( working class 50's ) is women have ALWAYS worked.
The little woman that stayed at home lovingly kissing children and knitting pie crusts is a figment of your rose coloured bleeding spectacles supported by a plethora of fucking history books written mostly by men ....
Get off this bloody stupid train will you all! Speak to your gran before she snuff it. Or your mum .... jesus
Unless you are the product of an upper middle class blood line and your piano had ankle cuffs to preserve your decency and nanny took you down for toastie soldiers and milk for breakfast ...... the women in your family WORKED. They kept house , raised the kids and WORKED to supplement household incomes. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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Reminds me of that thing where it was like- men still define doing housework as ‘helping’ their partner around the house.
Anyway I think people around my age, born in the 90s and early 00s will have less traditional ideas of gender but I think it’s naive to think that dominant ideas that have existed for SO long about gender are going to cease to exist. They’re dominant still. But we’re getting there. |
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"QUOTE , for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, UNQUOTE
I often see comments like this. I often see people saying ...... mate this isn't the 50's! and it irks me a bit.
It wasn't traditional in the 50's. I'm a product of the 50's. What the fuck is tradition in any case ? Whose tradition ? When did tradition start ?
All I can tell you from my lived experience ( working class 50's ) is women have ALWAYS worked.
The little woman that stayed at home lovingly kissing children and knitting pie crusts is a figment of your rose coloured bleeding spectacles supported by a plethora of fucking history books written mostly by men ....
Get off this bloody stupid train will you all! Speak to your gran before she snuff it. Or your mum .... jesus
Unless you are the product of an upper middle class blood line and your piano had ankle cuffs to preserve your decency and nanny took you down for toastie soldiers and milk for breakfast ...... the women in your family WORKED. They kept house , raised the kids and WORKED to supplement household incomes."
My mum worked full time until I was born and then part time for a few years until my siblings arrived.
Child care wasn't a thing back then and they couldn't afford a childminder.
Grandparents weren't an option as they were all working too.
My maternal grandmother and my mum did most of the things that my grandfather and dad did including heavy lifting and labour intensive work.
I don't know about the generation before my grandparents but there was never a them and us attitude between the men and women in my family.
My dad and grandfather often did the cooking and cleaning.
My paternal grandparents were exactly the same with my grandmother working in a labour intensive role until she was 60 and had to stop due to illness.
In more recent times I've seen women take on warehouse jobs in a company that traditionally only employed men in those roles and every one of them set the standard for the men around them hitting every target and more. |
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My observation is that in general women still do the bulk of childcare and emotional labour in heterosexual relationships often while also working outside of the home for money. Yes I know #notallwomen
There's a very long way to go. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 37 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality
I feel that if a person is capable of doing a job then they should be able to apply for any position available, apart from where gender based privacy is an issue."
Yes, you are right there and I feel the same too, if a person is capable of doing the job, they should be able to apply for it and yes, apart from as well |
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Women are naturally the child rearers and have mostly adopted the household chores because they have better organisational skills at that sort of thing. There is a reason why meat is cooked slowly. Partly to tnderise those cheaper cuts but also to allow the womenfolk to multi task with other household duties. But please don't think that it was all inside work. The women chopped sticks for the fire and fetched coal in the skuttle. Technology such as the thermostatic slow cooker and automatic washing machines have helped and many women enjoy more time in the workplace. Sadly this has not always worked for all women constantly juggling jobs, childcare, cooking, cleaning and of course looking after the needs of the menfolk. Tom has always said, when choosing a wife then choose wisely. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 37 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"My observation is that in general women still do the bulk of childcare and emotional labour in heterosexual relationships often while also working outside of the home for money. Yes I know #notallwomen
There's a very long way to go. "
Yes, you are right there, women still do the majority of it and yes, not all women |
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Coming from a farming background for generations and generations. We women did much the same as the men physically, unless they were actually pregnant. And this was before the advent of all the modern machinery. Should see the muscles on my gran in some photos especially after harvest. I think in poorer communities of the past there wasn't as much of a divide as we'd like to think. |
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"I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality "
There are definitely women working on oil rigs, Mr KC used to work offshore and he worked with plenty of female colleagues.
There are female road workers too. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
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"My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
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Quite right. My Great Great Grandmother was born sometime in the late 1830s. She had 18 children over the course of her life and worked in the slaughterhouses that my Great Great Grandad's family owned. She lived into her 80s too, albeit down to one eye. I doubt slaughterhouse work in the 1800s was easy work  |
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"I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality
There are definitely women working on oil rigs, Mr KC used to work offshore and he worked with plenty of female colleagues.
There are female road workers too. "
Female road workers.. ?
You would think that would improve their driving .. |
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"Women are naturally the child rearers and have mostly adopted the household chores because they have better organisational skills at that sort of thing. There is a reason why meat is cooked slowly. Partly to tnderise those cheaper cuts but also to allow the womenfolk to multi task with other household duties. But please don't think that it was all inside work. The women chopped sticks for the fire and fetched coal in the skuttle. Technology such as the thermostatic slow cooker and automatic washing machines have helped and many women enjoy more time in the workplace. Sadly this has not always worked for all women constantly juggling jobs, childcare, cooking, cleaning and of course looking after the needs of the menfolk. Tom has always said, when choosing a wife then choose wisely. "
Thankfully the men in my family value women for things other than their domestic skills 
Gender does not make a person a better cook, parent or lorry driver.
The father of my child was the main child carer, I couldn't wait to get back to work... and apart from maternity leave have always worked full time.
My gran is in her late 90s. My grandad did the cooking and she is not the materbal type... decided the one child was more than enough.
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By *nnCeeWoman 37 weeks ago
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"My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
Quite right. My Great Great Grandmother was born sometime in the late 1830s. She had 18 children over the course of her life and worked in the slaughterhouses that my Great Great Grandad's family owned. She lived into her 80s too, albeit down to one eye. I doubt slaughterhouse work in the 1800s was easy work "
18 kids?! 
Fair play to her!! |
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"My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
Quite right. My Great Great Grandmother was born sometime in the late 1830s. She had 18 children over the course of her life and worked in the slaughterhouses that my Great Great Grandad's family owned. She lived into her 80s too, albeit down to one eye. I doubt slaughterhouse work in the 1800s was easy work
18 kids?!
Fair play to her!!"
They didn't all survive. 14 did though. Unfortunately some met a deeply unpleasant end c.1940-43. |
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"A bloke can't wash up, his feet are too big to get close to the sink.  "
Myself and my female o/h have the same size feet.
It's why she sells me all her sexy shoes she bought that she thinks she can't wear (for some unknown reason)
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By *orny PTMan 37 weeks ago
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WWII had an unexpected experiment and that was women doing their men's jobs, crane drivers, farmers and groups like the land army spring to mind. When the surviving men came home and then back to work, the gender based roles were soon reinstated, for better and for worse.
A double income household made house buying harder for singletons, due to increased financial leverage. |
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By *nnCeeWoman 37 weeks ago
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"My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
Quite right. My Great Great Grandmother was born sometime in the late 1830s. She had 18 children over the course of her life and worked in the slaughterhouses that my Great Great Grandad's family owned. She lived into her 80s too, albeit down to one eye. I doubt slaughterhouse work in the 1800s was easy work
18 kids?!
Fair play to her!!
They didn't all survive. 14 did though. Unfortunately some met a deeply unpleasant end c.1940-43. "
Oh  very sorry to hear that.
Bet she was an absolute better of a lady though *hugs* |
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"My Nan was born in 1916 and lived to 100 - she was always the main breadwinner, cook, home keeper and had 10 kids. She worked until she was 85 as well.
How she did it I’ll never know.
Quite right. My Great Great Grandmother was born sometime in the late 1830s. She had 18 children over the course of her life and worked in the slaughterhouses that my Great Great Grandad's family owned. She lived into her 80s too, albeit down to one eye. I doubt slaughterhouse work in the 1800s was easy work
18 kids?!
Fair play to her!!
They didn't all survive. 14 did though. Unfortunately some met a deeply unpleasant end c.1940-43.
Oh very sorry to hear that.
Bet she was an absolute better of a lady though *hugs*"
None of us in living memory ever met her but we have a painting of her and formidable is the word! She had an eye patch but we don't know why. I've visited her burial place (it's not in the UK) and also the shop where the family sold the meat they produced. The family name is still there. The whole enterprise was run by the men and women together. |
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By *nnCeeWoman 37 weeks ago
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None of us in living memory ever met her but we have a painting of her and formidable is the word! She had an eye patch but we don't know why. I've visited her burial place (it's not in the UK) and also the shop where the family sold the meat they produced. The family name is still there. The whole enterprise was run by the men and women together. "
Makes sense if she was born 1830...
Amazing to know your family history and be able to still see a part of it though. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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Past generations didn't have the same freedom to chose an alternative lifestyle either, without facing societal pressure. Equally isnt always about doing the same thing but the freedom to choose with all the same choices & opportunities available to them.
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"WWII had an unexpected experiment and that was women doing their men's jobs, crane drivers, farmers and groups like the land army spring to mind. When the surviving men came home and then back to work, the gender based roles were soon reinstated, for better and for worse.
A double income household made house buying harder for singletons, due to increased financial leverage."
Double income households have made so many poorer |
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"I was listening to the news about gender equality and if there was any, they interviewed different kinds of people from different walks of life.
Some who where born in the 40s and in the 80s and there was some different views about it depending on what century one was born, for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, then when they interviewed the ones who are adults now had a different view where they they thought hat it doesnt matter both both genders can do the same thing.
What is your view about it? Whilst I understand that times have changed, but you can still see the typical jobs where there arent any equality,
Like you dont see women working at oil rigs in the pacific ocean or like asphalt layers and the building trade, whilst it is understandable that it is the employer who decide who suits the roles best in that sense for it, but I wonder if they would change their mind if women started to apply for such jobs? All in all it was an interessting program about if there is equality
There are definitely women working on oil rigs, Mr KC used to work offshore and he worked with plenty of female colleagues.
There are female road workers too.
Female road workers.. ?
You would think that would improve their driving .."
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By *orny PTMan 37 weeks ago
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"If men and women were identical then men and women wouldn't exist.
This push for a world where there's no difference will end in disaster.
Right  "
Magnets don't work if there's no differing of the poles, if you want things to stick of course. |
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By *r_reusMan 37 weeks ago
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"If men and women were identical then men and women wouldn't exist.
This push for a world where there's no difference will end in disaster.
Right
Magnets don't work if there's no differing of the poles, if you want things to stick of course."
If both magnets possess the same charge then they end up poles apart.
And given our rapidly declining birthrate, ever growing levels of depression and loneliness in men and women alike, and male suicide rates being considerably higher than those of women, that's as much humour as I can manage on the matter. |
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"If men and women were identical then men and women wouldn't exist.
This push for a world where there's no difference will end in disaster.
Right
Magnets don't work if there's no differing of the poles, if you want things to stick of course.
If both magnets possess the same charge then they end up poles apart.
And given our rapidly declining birthrate, ever growing levels of depression and loneliness in men and women alike, and male suicide rates being considerably higher than those of women, that's as much humour as I can manage on the matter."
Magnetic "charges" are inextricably linked, though there isn't actually such a physical thing as a magnetic charge. This connection can be demonstrated experimentally by the iron filings experiment with a bar magnet. Both poles can only exist with the other present, they are connected but polarity can also flip/reverse. A magnet always has two poles - one positive and one negative, it is a completely separate entity that is either attracted or repelled.
Perhaps not the best analogy because magnets are effectively both positive and negative simultaneously. It's like a human who is simultaneously both male and female. |
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By (user no longer on site) 37 weeks ago
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"QUOTE , for example, those who were born pre 70s was more into traditionalism like how it was with the roles, like women should be at home, taking care of the children and the house and he men would be the bread winners and to provide for the family, UNQUOTE
I often see comments like this. I often see people saying ...... mate this isn't the 50's! and it irks me a bit.
It wasn't traditional in the 50's. I'm a product of the 50's. What the fuck is tradition in any case ? Whose tradition ? When did tradition start ?
All I can tell you from my lived experience ( working class 50's ) is women have ALWAYS worked.
The little woman that stayed at home lovingly kissing children and knitting pie crusts is a figment of your rose coloured bleeding spectacles supported by a plethora of fucking history books written mostly by men ....
Get off this bloody stupid train will you all! Speak to your gran before she snuff it. Or your mum .... jesus
Unless you are the product of an upper middle class blood line and your piano had ankle cuffs to preserve your decency and nanny took you down for toastie soldiers and milk for breakfast ...... the women in your family WORKED. They kept house , raised the kids and WORKED to supplement household incomes."
Agree totally Granny, but 'knitting pie crusts'???
OMG I'm crying laughing at that ()
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I’ve never won any bread or ‘helped her’ with raising kids or housework.
I know my role & responsibilities as a parent & partner / ex-partner it was/is my main job, the paid volunteering I do always comes second. |
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