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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes " Why do people use the excuse of its their age, when it's really just they don't like/agree with something. But don't want to be called out on being a bit of a twunt  | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Why do people use the excuse of its their age, when it's really just they don't like/agree with something. But don't want to be called out on being a bit of a twunt "The hippies are now fucking elderly. I'm not sure how much we can go "I'm getting too old for this new age stuff" given that generation are our parents, grandparents, or even great-grandparents  | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope THEY manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with THEM” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. "Mic drop. | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope THEY manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with THEM” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. "It's almost as if it's not actually that difficult... As someone said above, whatever your view, why would you ever deliberately not use someone's preferred pronouns?Might not matter to you, but will matter to them. Just feels like a basic respect thing to me. In the same way that if my mate Jim said he preferred to use his middle name, Bill, I'd call him Bill! | |||
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"Can I just point out that I have no issue with they/them she/her he/him It was IT that was actually the main point of the post which seems to have been lost. Refering to a human as an IT. " Ah. That didn't come across. Read as referring to them as it, it bring they or them from the context of the previous sentence. It depends. "It" can be considered a dehumanising term to me, and I would consider it uncomfortable to use. Much like if someone said they would only accept being referred to as "Fuckmeat." I'd probably express my discomfort at that boundary, and if they were insistent in its use simply remove myself from the situation rather than force anyone (including myself) to be in a position that made them uncomfortable. | |||
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"Can I just point out that I have no issue with they/them she/her he/him It was IT that was actually the main point of the post which seems to have been lost. Refering to a human as an IT. " It's kind of weird, but I suppose it'd be like introducing people to banter. I tried to explain to someone that the word "bastard" can be friendly in English, and "mate" could be unfriendly. Some unkind words were said about the English language. It's a learning curve (because of our preconceptions about dehumanisation), but if it's what they want, I don't see the problem. | |||
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"I refuse to do it " Good for you George | |||
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"I refuse to do it " Why? | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . " Why? | |||
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"I refuse to do it " I'm not sure what there is to gain from being awkward about people's names and preferences. "Hi, I'm Phil" "Hello Philip" "No, really, I prefer Phil" "I don't care what you prefer Philip" It's the same dickhead move. | |||
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"I refuse to do it I'm not sure what there is to gain from being awkward about people's names and preferences. "Hi, I'm Phil" "Hello Philip" "No, really, I prefer Phil" "I don't care what you prefer Philip" It's the same dickhead move." Absolutely this. | |||
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"I haven't come across this in day to day life. I think it gets promoted more than it's actually used to promote clickbait, angry gammon posts "Yup, bang on They’ll go ranting to all their Facebook friends about it with numerous spelling mistakes after typing with their fists clenched. | |||
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"I refuse to do it " Course you do, Edgy. | |||
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"I refuse to do it I'm not sure what there is to gain from being awkward about people's names and preferences. "Hi, I'm Phil" "Hello Philip" "No, really, I prefer Phil" "I don't care what you prefer Philip" It's the same dickhead move." | |||
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"I haven't come across this in day to day life. I think it gets promoted more than it's actually used to promote clickbait, angry gammon posts "I don't come across it often, but it's the same as the whole holding the door open for a woman and whether women prefer it or not. There's always this talk about screaming matches from terrible feminists or slamming the door in people's faces, and therefore we must open doors for women or else cats will marry dogs etc. I really prefer not to have doors opened for me just because of my gender and I just... say thank you and move on with my life, except when the topic comes up. Because I'm not some gammon wank fantasy about the apocalypse, I just want to buy my fucking eggs. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why?" I think its ridiculas | |||
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"I got a top tip from my English tutor. Just use their name. " | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas " What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow." I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas " You might. But why would you deliberately ignore something if it might cause someone offence? I just don't get it. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r?" Lol fair point | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point " It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. "this was the point I was making | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas You might. But why would you deliberately ignore something if it might cause someone offence? I just don't get it." When I was in late secondary school, there was a particular group of immigrants to Australia who let their children choose their own "English" names, because their original names were often difficult to pronounce for us. Did I think Rainbow or Sunshine or Happiness was a stupid name, often? Yes. Did I make it their problem? Fuck no. I called them Rainbow or Sunshine or Happiness or whatever, because that was their fucking name. | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making"If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it? | |||
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"Imagine being so reactionary" I've never heard anyone who wasn't into Marxism use that word? Things happen in the world, people tend to react to them, yet it's said as if this is something unusual? | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?"I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she | |||
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"Imagine being so reactionary I've never heard anyone who wasn't into Marxism use that word? Things happen in the world, people tend to react to them, yet it's said as if this is something unusual?" Reacting =/= Reactionary. | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse!" Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. | |||
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"Imagine being so reactionary I've never heard anyone who wasn't into Marxism use that word? Things happen in the world, people tend to react to them, yet it's said as if this is something unusual?" ... what in sweet baby Jesus does "into Marxism" mean, and what the fuck does it have to do with anything I said? Have I read social theories? Yes. Many. Is this some kind of weird slur in a dialect of English I'm not familiar with? Because it misses the mark. Just like it misses the mark with everything else I've said. You can replace "reactionary" with "short tempered", "prone to anger", "overly influenced by certain elements of the media", if you prefer. They're acceptable substitutes. Do you have any commentary on anything else I've said, or are you just doing weird apparent gotchas that just make me think you don't even vaguely comprehend what I'm writing? | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?
I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she"Ah, ok. So does they/them make you feel as uncomfortable as it? | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were." Quite right. Good grounds for asylum, I guess, in countries where they are safe from persecution. Like the UK. | |||
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"Imagine being so reactionary I've never heard anyone who wasn't into Marxism use that word? Things happen in the world, people tend to react to them, yet it's said as if this is something unusual?" I’ve got all their albums, really into them. | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were." Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it?" I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . | |||
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"I use they them. Thanks to everyone on the thread who's been supportive. I'd reccomend doing some research on non binary pronouns and neopronouns, which is the linguistic term that includes "it". Frankly if someone identifies with and feels comfortable using a term... I don't get the animosity. I am not a woman. I don't feel like a woman. I never have. I never will. I don't understand the concept of man/woman. So I opt out, am non binary, use they/them. That's what feels authentic for me. As a fantastic mother on the Internet once said "I'd rather change my kids name a thousand times than write their obituary once". " If people have difficulty understanding this then I really don’t think there’s any helping them, they are being deliberately shitty. | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were." Not needed maybe read the room next time......ooh also maybe think before we write Mr | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence ." ... what? | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?
I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she
Ah, ok. So does they/them make you feel as uncomfortable as it?"hell no, it just means I have engaged brain before opening mouth. It is the dehumanising aspect of wanting to be referred to as IT that I found hard to accept. I agree people can be referred to by whatever they want as is their right | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence ." Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?
I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she
Ah, ok. So does they/them make you feel as uncomfortable as it? hell no, it just means I have engaged brain before opening mouth.
It is the dehumanising aspect of wanting to be referred to as IT that I found hard to accept.
I agree people can be referred
to by whatever they want as is their right"So you would refer to them by their chosen pronoun(s)? | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Not needed maybe read the room next time......ooh also maybe think before we write Mr " I also wonder if a proud lack of basic understanding of the subject matter - even if it's grammar - is a part of a certain kind of humour. I'm pretty sure the little girls in Afghanistan who can no longer be educated would tell us, if they spoke English, that both was and were are verbs, not pronouns, so the joke falls flat on its face even if we pretend that we find death and persecution hilarious. | |||
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"I use they them. Thanks to everyone on the thread who's been supportive. I'd reccomend doing some research on non binary pronouns and neopronouns, which is the linguistic term that includes "it". Frankly if someone identifies with and feels comfortable using a term... I don't get the animosity. I am not a woman. I don't feel like a woman. I never have. I never will. I don't understand the concept of man/woman. So I opt out, am non binary, use they/them. That's what feels authentic for me. As a fantastic mother on the Internet once said "I'd rather change my kids name a thousand times than write their obituary once". " That is so true. I can very much identify | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?
I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she
Ah, ok. So does they/them make you feel as uncomfortable as it? hell no, it just means I have engaged brain before opening mouth.
It is the dehumanising aspect of wanting to be referred to as IT that I found hard to accept.
I agree people can be referred
to by whatever they want as is their right"We're mostly in agreement. I'd find it odd. But I'd do my utmost to do it. | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope IT manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with IT” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. this was the point I was making
If someone asks you to call them they/them you consider it the same as you deciding to refer to someone as it?
I was pointing out that someone wanted to be referred to as IT, not they them, he/she
Ah, ok. So does they/them make you feel as uncomfortable as it? hell no, it just means I have engaged brain before opening mouth.
It is the dehumanising aspect of wanting to be referred to as IT that I found hard to accept.
I agree people can be referred
to by whatever they want as is their right"I'd invite you to research either through Google or by asking people why it feels like a comfortable choice for them. For some it's a reclamation. For others it's just the one that feels right. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence ." Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous. | |||
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" I also wonder if a proud lack of basic understanding of the subject matter - even if it's grammar - is a part of a certain kind of humour. I'm pretty sure the little girls in Afghanistan who can no longer be educated would tell us, if they spoke English, that both was and were are verbs, not pronouns, so the joke falls flat on its face even if we pretend that we find death and persecution hilarious." I do believe that what people do not understand, causes an element of fear with that, in-turn a level of judgement. What gets me is there is plenty could do to educate themselves, and move away from misconceptions and beliefs, that have been passed on, so are not even actually there's to carry. However, people are not willing... So, I identify as an addict, and people judge on that label as they don't understand... Mr | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous." I've had my name mocked. Once by an elderly relative who thought it was from her grandparents' era or before (which would place my birth squarely in the middle of the 19th century). And another time by some (other) international students who decided that my (common as muck, I was one of seven or eight in my graduating class) name didn't conform to the rules of English and they were going to refer to me how it should be pronounced. I don't even like my fucking name. The relative example - I was an infant, I don't really care, but it probably hurt my mother's feelings. The second example was extremely disrespectful, and I know for a goddamn fact that my name was from a baby book with a flip of a fucking coin. | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny?" It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous. I've had my name mocked. Once by an elderly relative who thought it was from her grandparents' era or before (which would place my birth squarely in the middle of the 19th century). And another time by some (other) international students who decided that my (common as muck, I was one of seven or eight in my graduating class) name didn't conform to the rules of English and they were going to refer to me how it should be pronounced. I don't even like my fucking name. The relative example - I was an infant, I don't really care, but it probably hurt my mother's feelings. The second example was extremely disrespectful, and I know for a goddamn fact that my name was from a baby book with a flip of a fucking coin." I'd say "change it", but that would be ridiculous as we'd still call you Delilah anyway. Them's the rules. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous. I've had my name mocked. Once by an elderly relative who thought it was from her grandparents' era or before (which would place my birth squarely in the middle of the 19th century). And another time by some (other) international students who decided that my (common as muck, I was one of seven or eight in my graduating class) name didn't conform to the rules of English and they were going to refer to me how it should be pronounced. I don't even like my fucking name. The relative example - I was an infant, I don't really care, but it probably hurt my mother's feelings. The second example was extremely disrespectful, and I know for a goddamn fact that my name was from a baby book with a flip of a fucking coin. I'd say "change it", but that would be ridiculous as we'd still call you Delilah anyway. Them's the rules." 
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes " Brave of you to post such a socially contentious post OP. You've either got huge balls or a very fertile set of ovaries. Wait a minute... Biologically can't have both, can you?! So what's the argument again?
...And also... there's a word called "Pronouns", but no such word as "Pronous"..is there?
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic." Yes, he's wrong, even if we pretend we don't understand grammar. These people still exist, they're just hiding and suffering terribly. Makes you think about what little you can do to make someone's life better, doesn't it? Like calling them what they prefer, and how little it costs you. | |||
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"I'm very happy to confirm my pronouns are she/her, but when I get labelled by my marital status (Miss/Mrs/Ms etc), that really gets my goat. Why does my marital status have any relevance to my relationship with that business/individual? " This gets me too. Particularly with government agencies. "Mrs Dress" is my mother, for fucks sake. I kept my maiden name and I'm divorced. | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic." But then the same could be said of many in the UK given the opinions expressed so far. Still wasn't funny. | |||
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"Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were." There are still gay people in Afghanistan and Iran, but they face a very dangerous future if prosecuted. It's a good reason for the west to extend the hand of friendship to them and let them live somewhere where they can be safe in displaying their natural sexuality. What was the motive for your post Andy? Was it "humour" or were you hinting at something else? Gbat | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic. Yes, he's wrong, even if we pretend we don't understand grammar. These people still exist, they're just hiding and suffering terribly." So you're saying it's perfectly safe in Islamic countries to break away from standard male/female relationships and identities? Because the implication I got from his joke was doing so could get you killed. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself." I accept the logic of what you say . And its fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns . | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic. Yes, he's wrong, even if we pretend we don't understand grammar. These people still exist, they're just hiding and suffering terribly. So you're saying it's perfectly safe in Islamic countries to break away from standard male/female relationships and identities? Because the implication I got from his joke was doing so could get you killed." What parts of "hiding" or "suffering terribly" imply "terribly safe"? Did you even read what I wrote before coming back with a gotcha that again makes no sense? The implication I got from the joke was that someone telling it might be more of a fan of Muslim majority social restrictions than queer people. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. I accept the logic of what you say . And its fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns ." But you clearly have got your head round them as you insist on using she/he, even when people ask you otherwise! | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic. Yes, he's wrong, even if we pretend we don't understand grammar. These people still exist, they're just hiding and suffering terribly. So you're saying it's perfectly safe in Islamic countries to break away from standard male/female relationships and identities? Because the implication I got from his joke was doing so could get you killed. What parts of "hiding" or "suffering terribly" imply "terribly safe"? Did you even read what I wrote before coming back with a gotcha that again makes no sense? The implication I got from the joke was that someone telling it might be more of a fan of Muslim majority social restrictions than queer people." You said he was wrong, but the rest of your posts suggest that you agree with him. These aren't 'gotchas', I'm just picking up on things you're writing which don't add up. Moving on though, we have a rapidly increasing Islamic population in this country and also increasing numbers of people identifying as LGBT, do you think these two factions will peacefully coexist as they grow, or could there perhaps be issues down the line? | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous." This an open forum the question had things gone to far with pronouns you can have your point veiw I can have mine . | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Brave of you to post such a socially contentious post OP. You've either got huge balls or a very fertile set of ovaries. Wait a minute... Biologically can't have both, can you?! So what's the argument again?
...And also... there's a word called "Pronouns", but no such word as "Pronous"..is there?
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"my typo, thanks for pointing that out. And yes I have a very big set of balls. I also have, as a rule, respect for how people associate themselves, however, I did find it hard accepting a human being wanting to referred to as IT. I didn't feel comfortable with it so I did actually remove myself from the situation, and I will in fairness admit that calling someone an IT, a reference which is normally use for inanimate objects, made me feel uncomfortable. I work with people who wish to be addressed as they/them and it does take a second of thought to address them correctly, which I do, however strange it may feel | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Earned? What did you do to earn your name? A given name is as much a choice. I raise this to make a point about inclusion, not to belittle you, but there was a time when people thought dyslexia was "ridiculous" and those that suffered with it were just lazy or stupid. Thankfully the world moved on to be more accepting and understanding. Things change. Society changes. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to listen to those who say why a 'non standard' pronoun matters to them before deciding it's ridiculous. This an open forum the question had things gone to far with pronouns you can have your point veiw I can have mine ." Of course you can. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I was trying to show how people might have labelled other things ridiculous in the past, even though they clearly are not. Luckily, people were more accepting of other differences and made other people's lives easier. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. I accept the logic of what you say . And its fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns ." Sorry but having dyslexia isint a valid excuse, I have dyslexia but still respect people's god given right to use what ever pronoun they want.... As if I don't where is the inclusive nature that were all capable of. Instead were marginalising people. There is plenty of research out there as to why we should respect people's pronouns, jump on Google scholar and access a couple of research journals into this... Mr | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. I accept the logic of what you say . And it’s fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns ." But it’s not your dyslexia that’s stopping you calling someone what they would like to be called, so what is it? Do you just like making people feel bad? | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes " Why does it bother you to refer to someone the way they want? Are you happy for me to refer to you as her, even after you tell me it's him? Or are you gonna be a "snowflake" about it? | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Why does it bother you to refer to someone the way they want? Are you happy for me to refer to you as her, even after you tell me it's him? Or are you gonna be a "snowflake" about it? "would like me to refer to you as IT, which was the context of the post | |||
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"It's one more sign of our increasingly atomised, self interested society. We're being purposely divided, the conquering bit will eventually follow. I agree on the first bit. Imagine being so reactionary, so detached from reality that you deliberately disrespect what another person is called, and are so far up your arse that you think being rude will solve anything? As for the divide and conquer bit, conspiracy theorists have been spouting that for hundreds of years. It's the same old story - we all saved the world from the apocalypse by shouting NO and not eating our vegetables and proving that mummies everywhere were tyrants, but not unstoppable! Keep masturbating furiously and send me money to save us from... oh shit what's in the news now... umm umm... I'm sure there's something that means you need to stop the apocalypse! Q:What are the pronouns for LGBTQ people in countries like Afghanistan,Iran etc? A: Was/Were. Well that's charming. Is that a joke on your side of the political aisle, finding the persecution and deaths of a minority group funny? It was an unsubtle joke but was he wrong? The Islamic world isn't known for being particularly accepting of those who er outside of the typical male/female dynamic. Yes, he's wrong, even if we pretend we don't understand grammar. These people still exist, they're just hiding and suffering terribly. So you're saying it's perfectly safe in Islamic countries to break away from standard male/female relationships and identities? Because the implication I got from his joke was doing so could get you killed. What parts of "hiding" or "suffering terribly" imply "terribly safe"? Did you even read what I wrote before coming back with a gotcha that again makes no sense? The implication I got from the joke was that someone telling it might be more of a fan of Muslim majority social restrictions than queer people. You said he was wrong, but the rest of your posts suggest that you agree with him. These aren't 'gotchas', I'm just picking up on things you're writing which don't add up. Moving on though, we have a rapidly increasing Islamic population in this country and also increasing numbers of people identifying as LGBT, do you think these two factions will peacefully coexist as they grow, or could there perhaps be issues down the line?" He is wrong. One, was and were are verbs. Pronouns are shorthands for nouns. When I was at school verbs were called doing words and nouns were called naming words. They're very different things. Two, the fact that a group is persecuted does not mean they don't exist. He might have implied that they're all dead, but that's a masturbation fantasy of people who don't like queer people very much. Two part two, the implication of my post was that they weren't out and proud. Implication is possibly too subtle a word, because it was about as subtle as a brick through my window, for anyone who cared to read it. In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps." Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now." If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. | |||
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. I accept the logic of what you say . And it’s fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns . But it’s not your dyslexia that’s stopping you calling someone what they would like to be called, so what is it? Do you just like making people feel bad?" I've no desire to make anyone feel bad my friend Jenni TV accepted I wanst going to call him she.and its was never problem .happy to call Jenni when in that persona but he not a she . these and whatever these they its are not any of those things either just figments of their imagination . | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't." That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave." I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr  | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave." Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not ." Thanks, Master. We all understand perfectly. | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not ." It's not about you though.... Mr | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . Thanks, Master. We all understand perfectly." People think we don't understand these lines. We do understand them. We think the lines are self-evidently stupid. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those." ?????? | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those." For someone who presents as worldly, understanding and liberal, you have a HUGE number of presupposed biases yourself? | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not ." That’s different and you know it. That’s just attention seeking loons who do that and I’ve no time at all for that nonsense. But to deliberately call someone he when they’ve asked to be called she is just obnoxious, no other reason. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave." the body count speaks for itself. | |||
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"Imagine being so reactionary I've never heard anyone who wasn't into Marxism use that word? Things happen in the world, people tend to react to them, yet it's said as if this is something unusual?" What has Marxism got to do with any of this? Have you read Marx? | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not ." It's such a minor thing to adhere to people's preferences on how they are referred to. I have a lot more issue with people who proclaim they will only accept being referred to as Master or Sir than I do adjusting to someone I'd mistakenly read as presenting as femme or masc wanting to be referred to as the other or NB. If you'd met a convincing t girl who you thought was born female and referred to as she for a while before discovering she even had a penis, but still preferred she/her. Would you then adjust to he because now you apparently know better? | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr "I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us  | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. For someone who presents as worldly, understanding and liberal, you have a HUGE number of presupposed biases yourself?" We live in different ideological silos, clearly. And you don't know what my evidence base is. I know that you either don't or can't read what I wrote and respond to it in full, even though you seem to expect that I'll respond to you in full. I think that the group I just survived is the greatest threat to human, not just western, civilisation. Entitled little children who want to be told they're special and not follow any rules because they grew up on propaganda about how special their country is. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us "I've made mistakes like that in the past. I've developed some dignity. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us "I can see this happening again, Mr | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . Thanks, Master. We all understand perfectly. People think we don't understand these lines. We do understand them. We think the lines are self-evidently stupid." And this. Is the whole point and why I posted in the first place Its is equally rights I think your point of view is stupid which is were The discussion started its im not bother either way if someone thinks what I say is stupid . im simply saying I retain the right to think the same about others . | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . It's such a minor thing to adhere to people's preferences on how they are referred to. I have a lot more issue with people who proclaim they will only accept being referred to as Master or Sir than I do adjusting to someone I'd mistakenly read as presenting as femme or masc wanting to be referred to as the other or NB. If you'd met a convincing t girl who you thought was born female and referred to as she for a while before discovering she even had a penis, but still preferred she/her. Would you then adjust to he because now you apparently know better? " slight difference here Master and Sir are titles that have to be earned in the BDSM world | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
I've made mistakes like that in the past. I've developed some dignity."I didn't consider it a mistake, it was exciting and I remember the experience fondly. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
I can see this happening again,
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
I've made mistakes like that in the past. I've developed some dignity.
I didn't consider it a mistake, it was exciting and I remember the experience fondly."I didn't say it was a mistake for you. I was saying how I feel about my past experience of such encounters. | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . Thanks, Master. We all understand perfectly. People think we don't understand these lines. We do understand them. We think the lines are self-evidently stupid. And this. Is the whole point and why I posted in the first place Its is equally rights I think your point of view is stupid which is were The discussion started its im not bother either way if someone thinks what I say is stupid . im simply saying I retain the right to think the same about others ." Yes, of course you have the right to think as you please. And I have the right to respond with derision to a tired old trope that never stood up to a moment's scrutiny in the first place. | |||
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"I haven't come across this in day to day life. I think it gets promoted more than it's actually used to promote clickbait, angry gammon posts
I don't come across it often, but it's the same as the whole holding the door open for a woman and whether women prefer it or not.
There's always this talk about screaming matches from terrible feminists or slamming the door in people's faces, and therefore we must open doors for women or else cats will marry dogs etc.
I really prefer not to have doors opened for me just because of my gender and I just... say thank you and move on with my life, except when the topic comes up. Because I'm not some gammon wank fantasy about the apocalypse, I just want to buy my fucking eggs."I hold doors open for everyone? | |||
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"slight difference here Master and Sir are titles that have to be earned in the BDSM world" Don’t be silly, no they aren’t. | |||
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"I haven't come across this in day to day life. I think it gets promoted more than it's actually used to promote clickbait, angry gammon posts
I don't come across it often, but it's the same as the whole holding the door open for a woman and whether women prefer it or not.
There's always this talk about screaming matches from terrible feminists or slamming the door in people's faces, and therefore we must open doors for women or else cats will marry dogs etc.
I really prefer not to have doors opened for me just because of my gender and I just... say thank you and move on with my life, except when the topic comes up. Because I'm not some gammon wank fantasy about the apocalypse, I just want to buy my fucking eggs.
I hold doors open for everyone?"Indeed. Some people hold doors for everyone. As do I. Some people want to make it a damn thing. I just want to get on with my day. I do whatever it takes to get on with my damn day (in person). | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
I can see this happening again,
Mr
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
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I'll put a similar amount on it as me becoming the president of the United States. (I was born in Sydney, Australia, not Hawaii or Kenya)
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. I reckon you two should book a hotel, the sexual tension is up there, this public foreplay is to much.... Mr
I don't to get cute in this particular instance, but years ago I had a similar relationship with a woman on a different site, constantly clashes and fighting in the forums etc, but somehow we did end up meeting and the sex was intense for both of us
I can see this happening again,
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I'll put a similar amount on it as me becoming the president of the United States. (I was born in Sydney, Australia, not Hawaii or Kenya)
You're just giving him ideas
The closest I've ever come to any political power is campaigning for a friend of mine standing for university council, whose surname was pronounced "cock".
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . Thanks, Master. We all understand perfectly. People think we don't understand these lines. We do understand them. We think the lines are self-evidently stupid. And this. Is the whole point and why I posted in the first place Its is equally rights I think your point of view is stupid which is were The discussion started its im not bother either way if someone thinks what I say is stupid . im simply saying I retain the right to think the same about others . Yes, of course you have the right to think as you please. And I have the right to respond with derision to a tired old trope that never stood up to a moment's scrutiny in the first place." Fair enough am I bovved and you shouldn't be either .its simply forum debate . | |||
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" if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave." Why single out Islamic communities? Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. It's only a very short period of time since Good Old Christian Britain stopped openly persecuting gay men. Some people who don't profess any religion are openly homophobic too. Sadly, I think some posters bringing religion into this topic don't do so because it's part of the original debate, they do it as it allows them to show their Islamaphobia. It's subtle, I'll grant you that, but it's there, isn't it? Gbat | |||
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"“Oh hey I found someone’s phone on the floor” “I’ll hand it in, I hope THEY manage to get it back” “I really like my new work colleague, I love spending time with THEM” Both easy examples of how you already use they/them in a singular use, in your day to day language. "Yes | |||
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"I'm happy for people being called whatever they want to be called that is their right. The one thing that does bother me though is if someone is attacked for making an innocent mistake and using the wrong term because they genuinely did not know their how they preferred to be identified, because at the end of the day if they're a total stranger natural instinct is to use how the person appears to that person. Correct the person and let them correct themselves it's not always meant offensively and people do make genuine mistakes. *this is a minority that do this I know and I know how it can make it harder for the truly lovely people out there The belligerent sods however who will refuse to do it after being told can just get in the bin. Tinder (Dons tin hat as I hate how wording may not come across as I mean it)" Yeah, I'm on team respect what people want to be called, do your best, and don't be a dick. Refusing (rather than making a mistake) is being a dick. (many years ago when I had a pixie cut and was severely overweight, I got called "sir" from the back. Immediate correction when I turned around. Those people are not dicks. If they'd kept calling me sir, dicks) | |||
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" if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Why single out Islamic communities? Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. " This is what's typically known as 'whataboutism' and we see it commonly on the internet. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. Some people who don't profess any religion are openly homophobic too. "it allows them to show their Islamaphobia." A phobia is an irrational fear, fear of being killed, which that particular religion has set many a pre_edent for being willing to do, is far from irrational. 'Islamophobia' is a made up, politically driven word used to shut down justifiable scrutiny of that particular religion, and the multitude of demonstrable issues it has. | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Brave of you to post such a socially contentious post OP. You've either got huge balls or a very fertile set of ovaries. Wait a minute... Biologically can't have both, can you?! So what's the argument again?
...And also... there's a word called "Pronouns", but no such word as "Pronous"..is there?
Ya gammon
my typo, thanks for pointing that out.
And yes I have a very big set of balls.
I also have, as a rule, respect for how people associate themselves, however, I did find it hard accepting a human being wanting to referred to as IT.
I didn't feel comfortable with it so I did actually remove myself from the situation, and I will in fairness admit that calling someone an IT, a reference which is normally use for inanimate objects, made me feel uncomfortable.
I work with people who wish to be addressed as they/them and it does take a second of thought to address them correctly, which I do, however strange it may feel"
Great to have big balls, ain't it? I'm blessed too 
I've worked in mental health. Had the occasional client, past 6 years or so.
Demanding to be called this, that, the other. "OK" "has" to be the - 'professional' - reply: but personal stance?
Ah. Mental health.
Contentiously... perhaps a new fashion?
Although...
He/She/Them/They/It/#Spirit_Animal#... do have problems regardless?
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. ." Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism. | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism." And Russia. Where you don’t even have to be gay, you just need to “promote” tolerance of people other than heteros. | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism." Extremists are dangerous, no matter what sky-turnip they favour. | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism." Touche', I suppose I should have specified a white Christian country, race is an entirely different can of worms. | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism. Touche', I suppose I should have specified a white Christian country, race is an entirely different can of worms." Why would race make a difference? A Christian is a Christian irrespective of the colour of their skin. | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes " Getting a wee bit OP off-point Fabbers? Fucking politics...
Snowflakes.
Contemporary culture.
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"I admit I have somewhat skipped through the thread completely but just wanted to share this little snippet of an interview of Miriam Margolyes which sums it up
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism. Touche', I suppose I should have specified a white Christian country, race is an entirely different can of worms." Russia/Chechnya (even though they deny it)
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"I think its barmy madness that people accept this nonsence . Why? I think its ridiculas What’s ridiculous, that someone has chosen how they want to be known ‘Master’ r? Lol fair point It’s not that ridiculous then, is it? I heard the myriam Margolis Point of view but I still think can't Chosen name is titled that earned Not figment of someone's imagination and vanity .so I think still think its ridiculas .but it generational thing. People are daft enough to accept this nosence . Why can’t you? If someone can manage to call you master, why can’t you call someone they/them. It’s every bit as earned as something you’ve chosen to call yourself. I accept the logic of what you say . And its fair .but I supose it down to your life experience .im not fan of men dressing up as women .I had friend here Jenni TV but as much I like and respected would never call him. She . they same goes for these pronouns .I'm dyslexic I cant get my head around nouns never mind made up pronouns ." On here you go by the name on your profile but I like to call you Roy because of your resemblance to a certain cafe owner on a certain soap opera and you tend to take offense over my use of humor and you being lazy and not calling Jenny her if that’s the pronoun they use is very disrespectful and really has nothing to do with dyslexia but says a lot more about the person that you are. My daughter not only changed her pronoun but also her name and I simply ask her to forgive me if I make errors because I will but respect is the key word in my mind. T | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . It's such a minor thing to adhere to people's preferences on how they are referred to. I have a lot more issue with people who proclaim they will only accept being referred to as Master or Sir than I do adjusting to someone I'd mistakenly read as presenting as femme or masc wanting to be referred to as the other or NB. If you'd met a convincing t girl who you thought was born female and referred to as she for a while before discovering she even had a penis, but still preferred she/her. Would you then adjust to he because now you apparently know better? slight difference here Master and Sir are titles that have to be earned in the BDSM world" No they don’t, people into BDSM call themselves that shit all the time, it’s not earned in any way shape or form. | |||
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"You can self idenfy as toadstool but Whatever you think. I know your not . It's such a minor thing to adhere to people's preferences on how they are referred to. I have a lot more issue with people who proclaim they will only accept being referred to as Master or Sir than I do adjusting to someone I'd mistakenly read as presenting as femme or masc wanting to be referred to as the other or NB. If you'd met a convincing t girl who you thought was born female and referred to as she for a while before discovering she even had a penis, but still preferred she/her. Would you then adjust to he because now you apparently know better? slight difference here Master and Sir are titles that have to be earned in the BDSM world No they don’t, people into BDSM call themselves that shit all the time, it’s not earned in any way shape or form."
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes " Has anyone considered that our food chain is full of testosterone based growth hormones. Our water supply has estrogen leeching into it. And our young people are eating and drinking this on a daily basis. No wonder their own hormones are all over and many are not living a traditional binary gendered identity. | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Has anyone considered that our food chain is full of testosterone based growth hormones. Our water supply has estrogen leeching into it. And our young people are eating and drinking this on a daily basis. No wonder their own hormones are all over and many are not living a traditional binary gendered identity. " Trans folk pre-date growth hormones by several centuries. | |||
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"Maybe it is my age but having to refer to someone as they/them feels strange. I had the unfortunate opportunity to meet someone who was insistent on being referred to as it. Is it just a fad or have we bred a generation of snowflakes Has anyone considered that our food chain is full of testosterone based growth hormones. Our water supply has estrogen leeching into it. And our young people are eating and drinking this on a daily basis. No wonder their own hormones are all over and many are not living a traditional binary gendered identity. " Erm......no. You know people of all ages take hormone influencing drugs routinely? Women undergoing HRT. The fact 1 in 4 men has low testosterone. We all eat and drink on a daily basis. If you really believe that's why people lead non binary lives then I have a bridge to sell you........ | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism. Touche', I suppose I should have specified a white Christian country, race is an entirely different can of worms." given most Muslim countries aren't white, why would we need to only look at white Christian ? | |||
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"Pretty much any religious fundamentalist is openly anti gay. Christians included. If you can name me a Christian country in the world today where the law will have you killed for being gay, you may have an argument. . Uganda. Where the homophobic anti-homosexuality act of 2023 has been driven by groups outside of the country, mainly Christian extremists from the USA. Those same extremists are spending a lot of money in Africa in order to push anti LGBTQ legislation across the continent. They see it as a good testing ground for developing tactics and experience to bring in similar laws in the US. Christian extremism is as much an issue as Islamic fundamentalism. Touche', I suppose I should have specified a white Christian country, race is an entirely different can of worms.given most Muslim countries aren't white, why would we need to only look at white Christian ? " I mean....someone will probably complain about the source of course...but when segments of America are still trying to pass laws like this its indicative of how they view anything the slightest bit 'not straight'.
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. You would rather have 1000 fundamentalist Muslims?
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. You would rather have 1000 fundamentalist Muslims?
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. You would rather have 1000 fundamentalist Muslims?
You probably won't last longer than a day just because you are a woman on a swingers website.
And yet, it's what I'd prefer. Maybe it'll tell you something about how unbearable the alternative is
An angry and ill educated mob inside a demo like those who march through London every Saturday supporting terrorism making it a no go zone for Jews and think vandalising paintings or smashing up a kebab shop for selling Coke changes anything."The irony of someone saying others are ill educated, then parroting a line about London being a no-go zone for anyone. | |||
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"In terms of clashes in the future, sure there will be clashes in the future. There are always clashes. I support both Muslim immigrants and LGBT+ groups to live fulfilling lives as they please, and everyone to respect one another's right to live as they choose. Part of that is addressing people how they want to be addressed. I have plenty of energy for plenty of fights and I'm not going anywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable telling people that a) they can wear a veil if they want to AND b) if they think they get to intrude on the lives and safety of queer people, they can fuck off. Or that queer people can fuck off if they want to intrude on religious expression. Hope this helps. Okay, so you were focusing on semantics with the initial issue, when you said 'wrong' I read it as he was 'wrong' about LGBT people being in danger in Islamic countries. The rest sounds like you're fine with importing future, bloody conflicts, because it satisfies your moral beliefs in the here and now. If that's what you get from what I wrote - which indicated that everyone can live as they want to, and give the others the same courtesy - then I suspect you need to revisit reading comprehension. Or you assume that queer and immigrant communities are inherently violent. I don't. That's very liberal of you, but understand that liberty is very much a Western creation and not always shared outside of our own societies, as you'll be aware of if you ever look at how people's outside of Europe operate in their own societies. I didn't say migrants nor LGBT people are inherently violent, but if you're unaware how openly hostile the Islamic community is toward homosexuality then you're living in a cave. Maybe. I'll deal with that later. Right now I'm mostly interested in what I consider a greater threat to western civilisation: an angry ill educated mob who feel that they're hard done by and that they're special because of the lies they've been taught about the glories of the past and the colour of their skin. I'd rather 1000 fundamentalist Muslims than one of those. You would rather have 1000 fundamentalist Muslims?
You probably won't last longer than a day just because you are a woman on a swingers website.
And yet, it's what I'd prefer. Maybe it'll tell you something about how unbearable the alternative is "If you want to do it yourself, go ahead and do it. Nobody cares. Saying that you would want homosexuals to live next to fundamental Muslims and just shrugging of the issues saying "I will deal with it later" sounds like you would happily put other people's lives at risk just so that you could brag on the internet about how morally superior you are. | |||
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