Every year pupils are withdrawn from these lessons. Is this a parent's right?
I'm all for transparency with parents about this topic but this year in one of my lessons a pupil was removed purely on the grounds that sex ed is inclusive, and there is talk of relationships that are not just heterosexual.
In a time when we're promoting inclusively I can't understand why exercising the right to exclude a pupil is permitted. This is particularly true in secondary. I've heard these particular students taking about sex with peers. To think their main source of information is coming from porn, social media and possibly the wider internet is surely a concern?  |
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I think it's hugely important and from a young age, I see so many mums removing their children because mainly the feel the child is too young rather than opposed to the curriculum or inclusivity, I think the younger the better l, much rather they learn things like consent, diversity etc at an early age not via porn or social media where any randomer will pop a cock in your inbox.
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We've recently seen argments that a parents right to take their children on holiday in term time is acceptable. If it's ok to withdraw them from all education it must also be ok to withdraw them from one kind |
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"Absolutely a parents right to withdraw them from sex education in my opinion. "
Excluding them from lessons about consent ect? This isn't information they'll be getting at home. It's just being denied access to knowledge that could potentially save/ruin their own life or someone else's no?
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"Absolutely a parents right to withdraw them from sex education in my opinion.
Excluding them from lessons about consent ect? This isn't information they'll be getting at home. It's just being denied access to knowledge that could potentially save/ruin their own life or someone else's no?
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How do we know they aren't getting the information at home? What happens if the sex ed lesson about consent takes place when the child isn't at school? |
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"Absolutely a parents right to withdraw them from sex education in my opinion.
Excluding them from lessons about consent ect? This isn't information they'll be getting at home. It's just being denied access to knowledge that could potentially save/ruin their own life or someone else's no?
How do we know they aren't getting the information at home? What happens if the sex ed lesson about consent takes place when the child isn't at school? "
Well it's taught over a number of year groups. Plus such lessons wouldn't be taught once in a year. For us consent (as an example) is taught over a few weeks looking at case studies ect. Of course these areas might be taught at home. But from knowing some families very well I'd wager it's not.
In a time where schools are scrutinised for their facilitating of such lessons in light of some awful stories in the press as well as a rise of sti's then surely these lessons should be compulsory? |
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"Every year pupils are withdrawn from these lessons. Is this a parent's right?
I'm all for transparency with parents about this topic but this year in one of my lessons a pupil was removed purely on the grounds that sex ed is inclusive, and there is talk of relationships that are not just heterosexual.
In a time when we're promoting inclusively I can't understand why exercising the right to exclude a pupil is permitted. This is particularly true in secondary. I've heard these particular students taking about sex with peers. To think their main source of information is coming from porn, social media and possibly the wider internet is surely a concern? "
Yes of course it's a parents right. You only have to look at the disaster it is to appreciate we aren't getting it right. |
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"Every year pupils are withdrawn from these lessons. Is this a parent's right?
I'm all for transparency with parents about this topic but this year in one of my lessons a pupil was removed purely on the grounds that sex ed is inclusive, and there is talk of relationships that are not just heterosexual.
In a time when we're promoting inclusively I can't understand why exercising the right to exclude a pupil is permitted. This is particularly true in secondary. I've heard these particular students taking about sex with peers. To think their main source of information is coming from porn, social media and possibly the wider internet is surely a concern?
Yes of course it's a parents right. You only have to look at the disaster it is to appreciate we aren't getting it right. "
This is assuming they're getting these lessons at home.
So instead of being in lessons (where agreed provision is no doubt is variable, but can be excellent like where I am), they're better off just hanging out in the library for a whole half term while these lessons for classmates take place? |
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Amazingto think that is 2024 we are still having this debate ? where sex education if taught properly is proven to reduce everything that the ones opposing it say they care oh so deeply about ?? and perfectly fine to teach children adult fairy stories about a bloke who never existed and spends his dayy sits on a cloud watching us 24/7 and judging us on how he made some of us ?? lmao xx  |
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"Absolutely a parents right to withdraw them from sex education in my opinion.
Excluding them from lessons about consent ect? This isn't information they'll be getting at home. It's just being denied access to knowledge that could potentially save/ruin their own life or someone else's no?
How do we know they aren't getting the information at home? What happens if the sex ed lesson about consent takes place when the child isn't at school?
Well it's taught over a number of year groups. Plus such lessons wouldn't be taught once in a year. For us consent (as an example) is taught over a few weeks looking at case studies ect. Of course these areas might be taught at home. But from knowing some families very well I'd wager it's not.
In a time where schools are scrutinised for their facilitating of such lessons in light of some awful stories in the press as well as a rise of sti's then surely these lessons should be compulsory?"
I'd certainly like everyone to be taught about consent. |
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You can opt out of RE too"
RE is the bit where we teach children how to think critically about religion.
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If I ever lucky enough to have children I would personally prefer to teach them that stuff myself.
I do think there is a great need for sex education in school but, there are definitely aspects of sex and relationships which I would rather deal with at home. Obviously there are parents out there who wouldn't want to teach their kids about this stuff and therein lies the problem.
Assuming my kids will end up having sex education at school, I would try and make sure that they have a conversation with me and their mother about those lessons so any areas where we think they have been misinformed, misled or we simply don't agree, we could have that conversation too.
It strikes me that many parents don't want their children to receive certain information at school because they will then have to have a conversation they don't want to have with their kids but, I have also seen some fairly disturbing stuff coming out of sex education classes.
I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is a teacher and she was telling me that one of the biology teachers in school was asking his students (13 - 15 year olds) to write down their sexual fantasies and who they would engage in them with. This apparently had something to do with consent but, to me it sounds like a pervert trying to find out the sexual fantasies of teenagers.
Should parents have a say over what their children are taught? I think they should. Should a child be able to receive a full and well-rounded education? I think they should.
Unfortunately it would seem to be virtually impossible to have both. |
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You can opt out of RE too"
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"I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is a teacher and she was telling me that one of the biology teachers in school was asking his students (13 - 15 year olds) to write down their sexual fantasies and who they would engage in them with. This apparently had something to do with consent but, to me it sounds like a pervert trying to find out the sexual fantasies of teenagers."
This sounds like a fantasist making something up to win an argument. Teachers absolutely aren't allowed to ask children what sexual fantasies they have.
If this actually happened then your friend, who is a teacher, would know that this needs reporting as a matter of urgency, and would also know who to report it to. |
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"If I ever lucky enough to have children I would personally prefer to teach them that stuff myself.
I do think there is a great need for sex education in school but, there are definitely aspects of sex and relationships which I would rather deal with at home. Obviously there are parents out there who wouldn't want to teach their kids about this stuff and therein lies the problem.
Assuming my kids will end up having sex education at school, I would try and make sure that they have a conversation with me and their mother about those lessons so any areas where we think they have been misinformed, misled or we simply don't agree, we could have that conversation too.
It strikes me that many parents don't want their children to receive certain information at school because they will then have to have a conversation they don't want to have with their kids but, I have also seen some fairly disturbing stuff coming out of sex education classes.
I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is a teacher and she was telling me that one of the biology teachers in school was asking his students (13 - 15 year olds) to write down their sexual fantasies and who they would engage in them with. This apparently had something to do with consent but, to me it sounds like a pervert trying to find out the sexual fantasies of teenagers.
Should parents have a say over what their children are taught? I think they should. Should a child be able to receive a full and well-rounded education? I think they should.
Unfortunately it would seem to be virtually impossible to have both."
I mean that example is unfathomable (I can't say I've ever encountered anything like this - assuming this account is true of course) but yes highlights the enormous disparity in the education children are getting generally.
My knowledge of it in lower years is limited and that's when it is introduced, but when I worked in one for a time there was an assembly on love and how it can be presented in many forms. It was sensitively done, very subtle and age appropriate (years 5/6). On the board was a picture of a couple holding hands. You couldn't tell whether it was m/f, m/m, f/f, but there was outrage from some parents who said the school was promoting homosexuality. They made a picket line in front of the school to protest in the days after and this was in the news. I was amazed that there was such a knee jerk reaction. For those children there with gay parent/s it must have been awful
I'd worry about the likes of the children of the parents who picketed, and the messages they are getting at home if they are going to be denied this kind of information in the future. |
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The school curriculum is published and parents choose the school- if you want a free state education that means national curriculum and SRE included. It's not pick and mix, it's compulsory. If you don't like it home educate or choose a private school you like. In my experience those who withdraw are because they don't want their unhealthy home-based indoctrination challenged. The same goes for flat earthers, racists, conspiracy theorists- think what you like to let your child be educated and form their own views.
Most parents are grateful schools do SRE for them as so many Brits are too awkward to talk to their own kids are such important matters. |
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"Every year pupils are withdrawn from these lessons. Is this a parent's right?
I'm all for transparency with parents about this topic but this year in one of my lessons a pupil was removed purely on the grounds that sex ed is inclusive, and there is talk of relationships that are not just heterosexual.
In a time when we're promoting inclusively I can't understand why exercising the right to exclude a pupil is permitted. This is particularly true in secondary. I've heard these particular students taking about sex with peers. To think their main source of information is coming from porn, social media and possibly the wider internet is surely a concern?
Yes of course it's a parents right. You only have to look at the disaster it is to appreciate we aren't getting it right.
This is assuming they're getting these lessons at home.
So instead of being in lessons (where agreed provision is no doubt is variable, but can be excellent like where I am), they're better off just hanging out in the library for a whole half term while these lessons for classmates take place?"
I'm assuming nothing. But you only have to look at rampant sexual diseases and pregnancy, attitudes towards opposite sex in teenagers to see whatever is being done isn't working very well. |
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"Every year pupils are withdrawn from these lessons. Is this a parent's right?
I'm all for transparency with parents about this topic but this year in one of my lessons a pupil was removed purely on the grounds that sex ed is inclusive, and there is talk of relationships that are not just heterosexual.
In a time when we're promoting inclusively I can't understand why exercising the right to exclude a pupil is permitted. This is particularly true in secondary. I've heard these particular students taking about sex with peers. To think their main source of information is coming from porn, social media and possibly the wider internet is surely a concern? "
I honestly think it’s child abuse not to educate children about their body, about sex, and about their rights.
I just assume that people who prevent their children receiving this education have something to hide, and don’t want their children to learn about how to set healthy boundaries and what they can say no to.
Or they’re just extremist homophobes. Both are pretty awful.
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"I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is a teacher and she was telling me that one of the biology teachers in school was asking his students (13 - 15 year olds) to write down their sexual fantasies and who they would engage in them with. This apparently had something to do with consent but, to me it sounds like a pervert trying to find out the sexual fantasies of teenagers.
This sounds like a fantasist making something up to win an argument. Teachers absolutely aren't allowed to ask children what sexual fantasies they have.
If this actually happened then your friend, who is a teacher, would know that this needs reporting as a matter of urgency, and would also know who to report it to."
It was reported by not only my friend but also several students and parents. The result of those reports, I don't know. |
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You can opt out of RE too
Try opting out of RE in a faith school, that includes the 25% of schools controlled by the CofE who currently have a £3 million programme running to evangelise children in schools"
I attended a catholic school over twenty years ago. My RE lessons were taught by nuns.
We spent more time learning about other religions and how to think critically about religion and other ideologies than we did learning about Catholicism. |
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"If I ever lucky enough to have children I would personally prefer to teach them that stuff myself.
I do think there is a great need for sex education in school but, there are definitely aspects of sex and relationships which I would rather deal with at home. Obviously there are parents out there who wouldn't want to teach their kids about this stuff and therein lies the problem.
Assuming my kids will end up having sex education at school, I would try and make sure that they have a conversation with me and their mother about those lessons so any areas where we think they have been misinformed, misled or we simply don't agree, we could have that conversation too.
It strikes me that many parents don't want their children to receive certain information at school because they will then have to have a conversation they don't want to have with their kids but, I have also seen some fairly disturbing stuff coming out of sex education classes.
I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is a teacher and she was telling me that one of the biology teachers in school was asking his students (13 - 15 year olds) to write down their sexual fantasies and who they would engage in them with. This apparently had something to do with consent but, to me it sounds like a pervert trying to find out the sexual fantasies of teenagers.
Should parents have a say over what their children are taught? I think they should. Should a child be able to receive a full and well-rounded education? I think they should.
Unfortunately it would seem to be virtually impossible to have both.
I mean that example is unfathomable (I can't say I've ever encountered anything like this - assuming this account is true of course) but yes highlights the enormous disparity in the education children are getting generally.
My knowledge of it in lower years is limited and that's when it is introduced, but when I worked in one for a time there was an assembly on love and how it can be presented in many forms. It was sensitively done, very subtle and age appropriate (years 5/6). On the board was a picture of a couple holding hands. You couldn't tell whether it was m/f, m/m, f/f, but there was outrage from some parents who said the school was promoting homosexuality. They made a picket line in front of the school to protest in the days after and this was in the news. I was amazed that there was such a knee jerk reaction. For those children there with gay parent/s it must have been awful
I'd worry about the likes of the children of the parents who picketed, and the messages they are getting at home if they are going to be denied this kind of information in the future."
I agree that it's unfathomable and I'm very much hoping that man loses his job.
In principle I agree with your position but, I also feel a parent should have some say over what their child is exposed to in school.
I wouldn't be impressed if science teachers were teaching "intelligent design" as a legitimate counter to evolution for example (I know this has been the topic if much debate in the USA)
When it comes to sex Ed, I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that. |
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" Amazingto think that is 2024 we are still having this debate ? where sex education if taught properly is proven to reduce everything that the ones opposing it say they care oh so deeply about ?? and perfectly fine to teach children adult fairy stories about a bloke who never existed and spends his dayy sits on a cloud watching us 24/7 and judging us on how he made some of us ?? lmao xx
You can opt out of RE too
Try opting out of RE in a faith school, that includes the 25% of schools controlled by the CofE who currently have a £3 million programme running to evangelise children in schools
I attended a catholic school over twenty years ago. My RE lessons were taught by nuns.
We spent more time learning about other religions and how to think critically about religion and other ideologies than we did learning about Catholicism."
Same, our lessons were always about "other" non Christian religions, cultures and value systems.. They were very interesting |
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that. "
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ? |
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that.
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?"
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Depends, some people's culture / religion will come into it. If they believe no sex before marriage, no conception and other very conservative views then of course they have every right to withdraw their children from lessons.
Let's be frank most children don't really listen, I had sex Ed in the 00s and topics were on; conception/abuse/consent/etc.
I nor my friends used conception- most had sex underage with guys over age. It really didn't make any difference to people at school.
I have never withdrawn my children from these lessons, but the same with RS- parents should have a choice.
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that.
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?
Squirting? "
A debate on if it's piss or not?
I can vaguely recall Sex Ed classes at school eons ago. I remember a talk about periods, condoms, forms of contraception, and consent and whatnot. I don't recall anything really shocking, or anything about technique at all. |
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that.
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?"
Technique is not. Putting on condoms is demonstrated and tried but that's the extent of it. |
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that.
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?
Technique is not. Putting on condoms is demonstrated and tried but that's the extent of it."
I'm sure it wasn't even our teacher who did that. I think there may have been a nurse or someone who came in for a class with condoms, and stuff in a bag. Memory is hazy though. |
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" I think it's fine to teach reproductive function and ethics (consent and so on) but, when it comes to technique... I'm not sure that should be taught in schools. Partly because what works for one person won't work for another but, mostly because I don't think there's any educational value in that.
I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?
Technique is not. Putting on condoms is demonstrated and tried but that's the extent of it.
I'm sure it wasn't even our teacher who did that. I think there may have been a nurse or someone who came in for a class with condoms, and stuff in a bag. Memory is hazy though. "
I mean I do it in one year. The year after the kids can have a go. That's very common now. |
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" Amazingto think that is 2024 we are still having this debate ? where sex education if taught properly is proven to reduce everything that the ones opposing it say they care oh so deeply about ?? and perfectly fine to teach children adult fairy stories about a bloke who never existed and spends his dayy sits on a cloud watching us 24/7 and judging us on how he made some of us ?? lmao xx
You can opt out of RE too
Try opting out of RE in a faith school, that includes the 25% of schools controlled by the CofE who currently have a £3 million programme running to evangelise children in schools
I attended a catholic school over twenty years ago. My RE lessons were taught by nuns.
We spent more time learning about other religions and how to think critically about religion and other ideologies than we did learning about Catholicism."
The only thing Catholics have done to other ideologies is torture and murder them, the inquisition is still a recognised department in the Vatican, as far as schools are concerned Catholic clerics top the tables in every country for child abuse and are only beaten into second place by the CofE in the uk |
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I'm assuming nothing. But you only have to look at rampant sexual diseases and pregnancy, attitudes towards opposite sex in teenagers to see whatever is being done isn't working very well. "
what on earth are you on about? Since 2011 teenage pregnancy rates have more than halved. It's something we've done really well.
The issue of debate here is the infinitesimally small number of bonkers parents who withdraw their kids from this life-enhancing education, their reasons for doing so are highly questionable.
STDs, not so good, but that's less young people and most just need the same treatment as a chest infection- antibiotics. |
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"Absolutely a parents right to withdraw them from sex education in my opinion. "
Personally, I completely disagree. The content of the curriculum is designed specifically to promote understanding and safeguarding.
At primary school level, there is nothing "sexual" involved. The focus is on friendship, relationships, and knowing when they are in danger.
At secondary there is much about consent, sexual health and STIs, healthy relationships, and contraception.
In my opinion, there's no valid reason why a parent would want to prevent a child from learning these things. |
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I didn't realise "technique" was taught ? What does the curriculum cover ?"
it isn't, this person does not know what they are talking about
techniques taught: how to use a condom and what happens (babies) if you don't.
Don't based your information on the Daily Mail, maybe talk to a teacher? |
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Let's be frank most children don't really listen, I had sex Ed in the 00s and topics were on; conception/abuse/consent/etc.
I nor my friends used conception- most had sex underage with guys over age. It really didn't make any difference to people at school.
I have never withdrawn my children from these lessons, but the same with RS- parents should have a choice.
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Thankfully this isn't true. teenage pregnacy rates have more than halved since 2011, young people today are not like you, the education really does work- we're very proud of what we've done, sadly ofsted and league tables don't credit us for this work. |
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"I wonder if the same parents would refuse their kids having the HPV vaccine. Maybe they think they're never going to have sex. "
Parents denying their children vaccines is a growing and serious worry, but most are so ignorant they don’t know HPV is an STD, sadly that means they deny their children all vaccines - lack of uptake of MMR is the one you want to worry about. |
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